Per Duggan on The Athletic from earlier-
"The 6-foot-7, 340-pounder appeared to be laboring as he walked around the practice fields this week."
He had surgery in January. He's now missed significant time in both his rookie & sophomore seasons. I'm hoping he's ready to go come training camp, but I'm not optimistic about that. Is it a fool's errand to actually rely on this dude, setting even his play aside?
Level of play, reliability,health.
All of the above.
My #1 concern
thts one of the major success criteria for 1st round draft picks.
I just have this bad feeling about him….hope I wrong
Because if they have to swap, it doesn't shuffle the whole O-line. Eluemenor to RT and Neal to LG, where he played at Alabama
Level of play, reliability,health.
All of the above.
My #1 concern
Because without health, nothing else matters douch...
Doesn't seem like a lot to ask...
Yes it is a bit concerning. But there is noting I can do so I will not worry about it until August 15th.
Looking forward to him being “limited” in camp and setting week 1 at less than 100% (after missing most of offseason and camp work).
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point, everything is a concern with Evan Neal.
I don't think he is our starter on opening day, and I don't think he starts much more than half the games this year, and I don't think he's here next year on opening day
And who do you think his replacement will be? And if EO, who do you think his replacement will be?
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point, everything is a concern with Evan Neal.
I don't think he is our starter on opening day, and I don't think he starts much more than half the games this year, and I don't think he's here next year on opening day
And who do you think his replacement will be? And if EO, who do you think his replacement will be?
He has proven he can play the RT position and the OL coach can confirm this. Let Neal heal up seeing he is a slow healer and then maybe consider him to move to guard if Eluemunor is playing sufficient enough, which I hope and expect he will. Besides, if Neal is still struggling with his health in mid June…it seems unlikely he will be near 100% come August.
The only reason why Neal is being considered to be the starting RT is because he was a 1st round draft pick. If he were a 3rd, he wouldn’t even be considered to be a starter.
Having said all of this, if by some chance Eluemunor struggles, then maybe Neal can earn the right to try again at RT. But I want Sy’s approval on this…..he is the one who has been spot on regarding Neal’s issues with balance and feet.
He has proven he can play the RT position and the OL coach can confirm this. Let Neal heal up seeing he is a slow healer and then maybe consider him to move to guard if Eluemunor is playing sufficient enough, which I hope and expect he will. Besides, if Neal is still struggling with his health in mid June…it seems unlikely he will be near 100% come August.
The only reason why Neal is being considered to be the starting RT is because he was a 1st round draft pick. If he were a 3rd, he wouldn’t even be considered to be a starter.
Having said all of this, if by some chance Eluemunor struggles, then maybe Neal can earn the right to try again at RT. But I want Sy’s approval on this…..he is the one who has been spot on regarding Neal’s issues with balance and feet.
I wouldn't move Eluemunor. There's no guarantee he'd be a success at RT. And, that move could blow up the continuity they need from the inside three. I believe JMS needs two guards staying the same, in order to work as a team.
Just keep trying out RTs, until they find their best one, and leave the other four linemen alone.
thts one of the major success criteria for 1st round draft picks.
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And let’s just make this guy our RT- Jermaine Eluemunor.
He has proven he can play the RT position and the OL coach can confirm this. Let Neal heal up seeing he is a slow healer and then maybe consider him to move to guard if Eluemunor is playing sufficient enough, which I hope and expect he will. Besides, if Neal is still struggling with his health in mid June…it seems unlikely he will be near 100% come August.
The only reason why Neal is being considered to be the starting RT is because he was a 1st round draft pick. If he were a 3rd, he wouldn’t even be considered to be a starter.
Having said all of this, if by some chance Eluemunor struggles, then maybe Neal can earn the right to try again at RT. But I want Sy’s approval on this…..he is the one who has been spot on regarding Neal’s issues with balance and feet.
I wouldn't move Eluemunor. There's no guarantee he'd be a success at RT. And, that move could blow up the continuity they need from the inside three. I believe JMS needs two guards staying the same, in order to work as a team.
Just keep trying out RTs, until they find their best one, and leave the other four linemen alone.
You lost me on the “wouldn’t move Eleumenor to RT” comment. He’s gotten put at RG for who knows why and has like one career start there. Makes no sense we pay him all that money after he shines at RT and we summarily move him inside. Neal continues to be a drag on this unit.
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point, everything is a concern with Evan Neal.
I don't think he is our starter on opening day, and I don't think he starts much more than half the games this year, and I don't think he's here next year on opening day
And who do you think his replacement will be? And if EO, who do you think his replacement will be?
I don't think they Know. I think it is likely someone already on the roster, and they've set it up so they an use Elumanour with the least amount of disruption, we covered that in another thread yesterday. I thinbk they are usuing Ezudu to see if he is an option, beccause in a perfect world Neal goes out and Ezudu steps up. If that doesnyt work then they have to go to Elumanour, which they ALREADY know they can do, that's why they are using Ezudu now, to see IF he can do it. If not, than Elumanour to RT, and i guess if that happens at start of training camp then we see a competition for starting LG.. If Neal can't go, I see LG as the uncertain position that gets sorted during camp,not RT. They may get lucky and pick up a good RT after final cutdowns or after the first week, but they can't count on that, so that, while a possibility an't be the plan. No, give Ezudu a shot, and if not then let him fight for LG. He either pans out at one of those 2 positions or he and Neal are gone next spring, and Schoen then knows what work remains on the line. What do you think they do If Neal can't go?
I think if Neal can't hack it they're up shit's creek. This line only has 4 talented players (1 star) if Neal doesn't step up to be the 5th. Even then, they're thin as tissue paper. As of now, I think the chances of Ezeudu being successful anywhere on the line are minimal. He's been awful wherever they've played him.
A concussion in 2023 camp, and then his ankle "sprain" in week 6, which once again was a botched diagnosis by the team's medical staff and turned out to be a fracture, which he aggravated when the medical staff had him play after only 2 weeks, and didn't play again for the season.
Our medical staff really fucking sucks. They misdiagnosis and then have guys come back too soon, only to fuck them up for the whole season, or worse.
How many times does this have to happen before someone does something about it.
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In comment 16535664 Eric from BBI said:
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point, everything is a concern with Evan Neal.
I don't think he is our starter on opening day, and I don't think he starts much more than half the games this year, and I don't think he's here next year on opening day
And who do you think his replacement will be? And if EO, who do you think his replacement will be?
I don't think they Know. I think it is likely someone already on the roster, and they've set it up so they an use Elumanour with the least amount of disruption, we covered that in another thread yesterday. I thinbk they are usuing Ezudu to see if he is an option, beccause in a perfect world Neal goes out and Ezudu steps up. If that doesnyt work then they have to go to Elumanour, which they ALREADY know they can do, that's why they are using Ezudu now, to see IF he can do it. If not, than Elumanour to RT, and i guess if that happens at start of training camp then we see a competition for starting LG.. If Neal can't go, I see LG as the uncertain position that gets sorted during camp,not RT. They may get lucky and pick up a good RT after final cutdowns or after the first week, but they can't count on that, so that, while a possibility an't be the plan. No, give Ezudu a shot, and if not then let him fight for LG. He either pans out at one of those 2 positions or he and Neal are gone next spring, and Schoen then knows what work remains on the line. What do you think they do If Neal can't go?
I think if Neal can't hack it they're up shit's creek. This line only has 4 talented players (1 star) if Neal doesn't step up to be the 5th. Even then, they're thin as tissue paper. As of now, I think the chances of Ezeudu being successful anywhere on the line are minimal. He's been awful wherever they've played him.
A concussion in 2023 camp, and then his ankle "sprain" in week 6, which once again was a botched diagnosis by the team's medical staff and turned out to be a fracture, which he aggravated when the medical staff had him play after only 2 weeks, and didn't play again for the season.
Our medical staff really fucking sucks. They misdiagnosis and then have guys come back too soon, only to fuck them up for the whole season, or worse.
How many times does this have to happen before someone does something about it.
You have the facts wrong in a fundamental way. Neal's ankle injury in Week 6 that put him out for two weeks was to his right ankle.
His injury in Week 9 that put him out for the season was to his left ankle. It wasn't immediately diagnosed as a fracture, but he was never allowed to come back to play on it.
Not all fractures are the same and some do not immediately show up on imaging. When he continued to experience pain, additional imaging revealed the fracture.
The medical staff is an easy punching bag because they never get to publicly explain what is happening in the handling of any given player and injury.
If you're only concerned about Neal I hate to break it to you...
I'm not signing up for the annual "This is the year the OL plays close to adequately"
Wonder how long before this LSU WR goes to jemele and little Wayne
They will be forced to play him instead of a better player because he is a 1st round pick.
If he was Andrew Thomas I'd be saying "he'll be fine by training camp" and not worrying. Not the case with Neal who needed an offseason working on technique.
Because if they have to swap, it doesn't shuffle the whole O-line. Eluemenor to RT and Neal to LG, where he played at Alabama
Great point
They will be forced to play him instead of a better player because he is a 1st round pick.
Looks to be the case
Let’s hope we’re setting the stage for this move.
I agree, but this isn't really how the Giants operate. If he is injured again this year they very likely will just wait until next year and try again. This organization is so cursed with injuries because they are extremely patient with players who are injury prone - Barkley, Shepard, Jones...
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A concussion in 2023 camp, and then his ankle "sprain" in week 6, which once again was a botched diagnosis by the team's medical staff and turned out to be a fracture, which he aggravated when the medical staff had him play after only 2 weeks, and didn't play again for the season.
Our medical staff really fucking sucks. They misdiagnosis and then have guys come back too soon, only to fuck them up for the whole season, or worse.
How many times does this have to happen before someone does something about it.
You have the facts wrong in a fundamental way. Neal's ankle injury in Week 6 that put him out for two weeks was to his right ankle.
His injury in Week 9 that put him out for the season was to his left ankle. It wasn't immediately diagnosed as a fracture, but he was never allowed to come back to play on it.
Not all fractures are the same and some do not immediately show up on imaging. When he continued to experience pain, additional imaging revealed the fracture.
The medical staff is an easy punching bag because they never get to publicly explain what is happening in the handling of any given player and injury.
Thanks for clarifying. I still think the Giants’ med staff’s history of misdiagnoses is awful.
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Dont think its a coincidence Eluemenor is playing LG right now.
Because if they have to swap, it doesn't shuffle the whole O-line. Eluemenor to RT and Neal to LG, where he played at Alabama
Great point
I still believe LG will be Neal’s best shot at being significant in a positive way. Let Eluemunor play RT and rest easy at nights.,
But I have zero excitement already for this season since Jones is playing.
Ankle surgery isn't trivial for a 300 pound dude playing pro ball. Daboll said he's on track which makes sense -- again, 5 months isn't so long. So either he's on schedule for all good, or Daboll's lying; but we don't know. With a real RT in reserve, unlike last season, no biggie. Eluemunor gets hurt - big deal.
This guy is not an NFL tackle...
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Dont think its a coincidence Eluemenor is playing LG right now.
Because if they have to swap, it doesn't shuffle the whole O-line. Eluemenor to RT and Neal to LG, where he played at Alabama
Great point
I still believe LG will be Neal’s best shot at being significant in a positive way. Let Eluemunor play RT and rest easy at nights.,
I fully agree. Watching Neal attempt to play RT with Reddick over him was comical. Total mismatch. Unfortunately, that also extends to almost everyone else playing over him. I wish I was wrong, but it is what it is with him. Being injured and over-sensitive too don't help.
This guy is not an NFL tackle...
You have GOT to get a message to the team. Those doofuses Schoen, Daboll, Bricillo, Kafka and Ferentz are thinking he can play tackle - you need to set them straight.
All the reasons Neal was widely considered worthy of his draft status still exist. His potential is still there. They are correct to continue to try getting that potential out of him. But the clock is ticking.
Meanwhile, it's doubtful lesser drafted players are being ignored simply because of draft status. At least I hope that's the case. The reason they were lowly drafted is that they didn't show the potential pre draft, and now have to prove that they can do it. IF they show it, they'll move up the chart.
But if all things are currently equal, the guy who did enough to get the better draft position will get the benefit of the doubt.
All the reasons Neal was widely considered worthy of his draft status still exist. His potential is still there. They are correct to continue to try getting that potential out of him. But the clock is ticking.
Meanwhile, it's doubtful lesser drafted players are being ignored simply because of draft status. At least I hope that's the case. The reason they were lowly drafted is that they didn't show the potential pre draft, and now have to prove that they can do it. IF they show it, they'll move up the chart.
But if all things are currently equal, the guy who did enough to get the better draft position will get the benefit of the doubt.
He's got potential alright---the potential to get DJ KILLED!
Level of play, reliability,health.
All of the above.
My #1 concern
There's a couple of guys on the Giants roster that would fit that description, verbatim.
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Neal is a major concern.
Level of play, reliability,health.
All of the above.
My #1 concern
Because without health, nothing else matters douch...
Wow, this is unnecessary.
And wildly ironic.
thts one of the major success criteria for 1st round draft picks.
+1