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section125 : 6/13/2024 7:23 am
Ok, the inevitable US Open thread. At an all time classic course at Pinehurst #2 course.

Sadly Jon Rahm out with a foot infection. It will be interesting to see what happens with the "bombers" this week as Pinehurst green are notoriously hard to hold and if groomed to ridiculous US Open standards will probably run 13+ on the Stimp meter while being small and crowned to begin with.

I do expect DeChambeau to challenge Scheffler. As always if Rory's putter is working he will be there. Expect Schauffele and Morikawa to be close. Koepka has been inconsistent when playing the combined events but with two Open wins he is dangerous...Hovland has been better as his wedge play has improved. Aberg has the right type of game for Pinehurst.

Have to admit this is my least favorite Major as the USGA always seems to over trick up the course. Instead of the supreme test of golf, it is often a contest of lucky breaks and bounces. They have been less tricky the last few years, but I still don't want to see well struck balls land in the center of the green trundle off to some horrendous lie.
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I think the difference between we  
section125 : 6/14/2024 7:31 am : link
amateurs and the pros (and high level amateurs) is the pros like that they need to be extremely precise with shots and a chance to use all their shot making ability - think through the course. We the amateurs want to go out and shoot a good round with chances to recover from our numerous bad shots. They like difficult courses we probably don't.

For those that play, what do you think you'd shoot at Pinehurst in benign conditions from the tournament tees of 7550 yards...? I am currently a 9 index and think I'd be lucky to break 100.
Worst ball striking I have seen  
section125 : 6/14/2024 10:13 am : link
from Scottie in years. He is just off. At +3.
Revive Hale Irwin!  
Alan W : 6/14/2024 11:28 am : link
He excelled on tough courses.

Why can't an Other occasional pro?
I just tuned in to the Open  
Bill in UT : 6/14/2024 4:50 pm : link
There's no one on the leader board that I care about.
great final sunday unfolding  
Eric on Li : 6/16/2024 6:00 pm : link
cant recall rory putting like this in major on a sunday with such a stacked group. rory up 1 on 16 green with a look at birdie.
RE: great final sunday unfolding  
BlackLight : 6/16/2024 6:05 pm : link
In comment 16537941 Eric on Li said:
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cant recall rory putting like this in major on a sunday with such a stacked group. rory up 1 on 16 green with a look at birdie.


JINX
RE: RE: great final sunday unfolding  
Eric on Li : 6/16/2024 6:07 pm : link
In comment 16537945 BlackLight said:
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cant recall rory putting like this in major on a sunday with such a stacked group. rory up 1 on 16 green with a look at birdie.



JINX


Rory  
JT039 : 6/16/2024 6:30 pm : link
WTF!!!

Holy hell!
RE: RE: great final sunday unfolding  
BlackLight : 6/16/2024 6:30 pm : link
In comment 16537945 BlackLight said:
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cant recall rory putting like this in major on a sunday with such a stacked group. rory up 1 on 16 green with a look at birdie.



JINX


Seriously, you owe this poor man an apology.
RE: RE: RE: great final sunday unfolding  
Eric on Li : 6/16/2024 6:42 pm : link
In comment 16537956 BlackLight said:
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cant recall rory putting like this in major on a sunday with such a stacked group. rory up 1 on 16 green with a look at birdie.



JINX



Seriously, you owe this poor man an apology.


well now we know why i couldnt recall him putting this well on a sunday.

amazing finish from bryson. im not a fan but he earned it. very nearly hit the putts on 16/17 too. took the bad lie in stride and hit a world class bunker shot.
What a sand save  
UConn4523 : 6/16/2024 6:42 pm : link
great finish
RE: What a sand save  
JT039 : 6/16/2024 6:44 pm : link
In comment 16537961 UConn4523 said:
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great finish


Probably shot of the tournament.
best part of 18 was pavon not finishing first  
Eric on Li : 6/16/2024 6:46 pm : link
dude was like "sorry not sorry, im not rushing a putt with 100k on it".
i know someone who met bryson/others this week  
Eric on Li : 6/16/2024 6:50 pm : link
and said he was the nicest of all the guys he met. so i guess there's that.
Rory bogeyed 3 out of last 4 holes  
Rick in Dallas : 6/16/2024 7:05 pm : link
WOW!!!!
Pinehurst #2 was a great test without being tricked up!!!!
Bryson a very popular winner.
Golf would be do much better if all the golfers played together
Do they hate it  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2024 7:07 pm : link
when a LIV guy wins a major - like Bryson or Koepka have or no big deal?

I ended up rooting for Rory down the stretch  
Bill in UT : 6/16/2024 7:42 pm : link
but he's just lost, or misplaced, his edge. My favorite, Spieth, has lost it even more. And my next guy up, Scottie, seems not to have rebounded well from his arrest. I hope he can put it behind him soon. I had tried to get into Bryson for a while, but I still think he's a dick. Certainly no Payne Stewart in my book
Pinehurst #2 is one tough golf course  
joe48 : 6/16/2024 7:45 pm : link
I have played it a couple of times and some greens are mounded so it make approach shots difficult. Feel bad for Rory but I am not a big fan. Bryson grinds out a win. Rory seems to come up short with the flat stick in the big moments. Media loves him.
RE: Pinehurst #2 is one tough golf course  
Sean : 6/16/2024 8:02 pm : link
In comment 16537995 joe48 said:
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I have played it a couple of times and some greens are mounded so it make approach shots difficult. Feel bad for Rory but I am not a big fan. Bryson grinds out a win. Rory seems to come up short with the flat stick in the big moments. Media loves him.

Brandel Chamblee should not have been allowed to call that tournament. The disappointment in Rory not closing it out from both him and Faxon was way over the top.

Great win for Bryson. He's great for the game and moves the needle.
RE: I ended up rooting for Rory down the stretch  
section125 : 6/16/2024 8:05 pm : link
In comment 16537993 Bill in UT said:
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but he's just lost, or misplaced, his edge. My favorite, Spieth, has lost it even more. And my next guy up, Scottie, seems not to have rebounded well from his arrest. I hope he can put it behind him soon. I had tried to get into Bryson for a while, but I still think he's a dick. Certainly no Payne Stewart in my book


Well he rebounded enough to win Jack's tourny last week. Jack warned the PGA not to put a big tourny before a major.

He was just wiped out this for the Open

the last putt he missed wasnt a bad putt  
Eric on Li : 6/16/2024 8:36 pm : link
he played the ball outside the hole and it broke all the way across. he pulled the putt on 16 but that one wasnt terrible either.

i know it seems like rory lost it more than bryson won it and while both happened i think bryson did more to win it. a downhill putt on that course that breaks that much is several levels of difficulty harder than an average 4 foot putt.
RE: Do they hate it  
Eric on Li : 6/16/2024 8:50 pm : link
In comment 16537984 pjcas18 said:
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when a LIV guy wins a major - like Bryson or Koepka have or no big deal?


no big deal, bryson being widely disliked predated liv and was an entirely self created problem.
RE: the last putt he missed wasnt a bad putt  
Bill in UT : 6/16/2024 9:11 pm : link
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he played the ball outside the hole and it broke all the way across. he pulled the putt on 16 but that one wasnt terrible either.

i know it seems like rory lost it more than bryson won it and while both happened i think bryson did more to win it. a downhill putt on that course that breaks that much is several levels of difficulty harder than an average 4 foot putt.


I'm in the Rory lost it camp. If you're worried about a downhill putt, don't hit your approach past the hole. Butt he's still gotta make that putt. That's what guys who win Majors do
RE: RE: the last putt he missed wasnt a bad putt  
Eric on Li : 6/16/2024 9:17 pm : link
In comment 16538058 Bill in UT said:
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he played the ball outside the hole and it broke all the way across. he pulled the putt on 16 but that one wasnt terrible either.

i know it seems like rory lost it more than bryson won it and while both happened i think bryson did more to win it. a downhill putt on that course that breaks that much is several levels of difficulty harder than an average 4 foot putt.



I'm in the Rory lost it camp. If you're worried about a downhill putt, don't hit your approach past the hole. Butt he's still gotta make that putt. That's what guys who win Majors do


100% agree. Bryson's 2nd shot dealing with the tree/root and resulting sand shot were just as hard, but he got the par and he won. that's why i look at the difficulty of the hole and how he executed and see that as bryson winning it more than rory losing it on a difficult up/down.

also if rory hits the putt he doesn't win, he's in a playoff with bryson. rory was -1 today, bryson was +1 but he executed a difficult up and down when rory didnt.
Rory lost it for sure  
PatersonPlank : 6/16/2024 9:19 pm : link
He bogey'd 3 of the last 4, and missed 2 putts under 4 ft. He was basically playing like every weekend hack
RE: Rory lost it for sure  
Eric on Li : 6/16/2024 9:33 pm : link
In comment 16538075 PatersonPlank said:
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He bogey'd 3 of the last 4, and missed 2 putts under 4 ft. He was basically playing like every weekend hack


bryson bogied 15 missing a putt under 4 feet. started the day with a 3 shot lead and went +1 almost giving it away. just a couple of multi-major winning weekend hacks battling it out for the open on what is probably the hardest course anyone has played in 2 years.
RE: RE: Rory lost it for sure  
section125 : 6/16/2024 9:55 pm : link
In comment 16538085 Eric on Li said:
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He bogey'd 3 of the last 4, and missed 2 putts under 4 ft. He was basically playing like every weekend hack



bryson bogied 15 missing a putt under 4 feet. started the day with a 3 shot lead and went +1 almost giving it away. just a couple of multi-major winning weekend hacks battling it out for the open on what is probably the hardest course anyone has played in 2 years.


Yeah that course looked brutally hard. Crispy greens and severe pressure. Many times these are won by the player that makes the fewest mistakes.
Rory is just not as adept inside 125 yards as he should be. Jack always said to hang on and let the other guy lose it.
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Eric on Li : 6/16/2024 11:04 pm : link
In comment 16538097 section125 said:
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Rory is just not as adept inside 125 yards as he should be. Jack always said to hang on and let the other guy lose it.


that's what was notable prior to my jinxing him, he not only hit a bunch of 20+ footers after mediocre irons in, but he also got himself up and down a bunch of times with 7-10 footers on a real tough course, including the sand save on 17. his wedges were very good and before the miss on 16 he was like 49 for his last 49 inside 4 feet.

that was a bad miss, the one on 18 i think was about as hard as any 4 footer can be. i know u know this but what makes short putts easy is being able to hit them hard to the cup to take the break out, cant do that downhill with more than a cup of break. when he set up on that putt it looked like he was lined up way too far left and it still missed right.

if they put the top 10 finishers on that same putt, i think at least 3 or 4 also miss it.
Hard to say Dechambeau won it  
AROCK1000 : 6/17/2024 4:58 am : link
When he missed so many fairways...
The pressure was just to much for Rory to handle...he simply choked it away
I love watching the back 9 of a major
You can cut the drama with a knife
RE: RE: RE: RE: Rory lost it for sure  
section125 : 6/17/2024 6:55 am : link
In comment 16538118 Eric on Li said:
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Rory is just not as adept inside 125 yards as he should be. Jack always said to hang on and let the other guy lose it.



that's what was notable prior to my jinxing him, he not only hit a bunch of 20+ footers after mediocre irons in, but he also got himself up and down a bunch of times with 7-10 footers on a real tough course, including the sand save on 17. his wedges were very good and before the miss on 16 he was like 49 for his last 49 inside 4 feet.

that was a bad miss, the one on 18 i think was about as hard as any 4 footer can be. i know u know this but what makes short putts easy is being able to hit them hard to the cup to take the break out, cant do that downhill with more than a cup of break. when he set up on that putt it looked like he was lined up way too far left and it still missed right.

if they put the top 10 finishers on that same putt, i think at least 3 or 4 also miss it.


He got on that run, was it 9 or 10 when he made birdies on 3 out of 4? Thought he had it.
When I say he is not good inside 125 yds, think how many times he was using gap or sand wedge in and left it 25 to 35 feet away(or more) - Cantlay was doing the same. Those guys can put it to 10 feet with a wedge most times. And yes I know with that course you cannot always attack the pin. But the pro announcers kept saying he was missing his wedges. But that is Rory's M.O.. If he is having a good wedge week and putting, nobody touches him. But most times he just is not accurate.

Nothing scarier than a downhill, left to right slider on 13+ greens. You can't bang it in. You cannot even impart a proper stroke on the ball or you have 8 feet going the other way. All you can do is nudge it and hope.
RE: Hard to say Dechambeau won it  
section125 : 6/17/2024 7:03 am : link
In comment 16538135 AROCK1000 said:
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When he missed so many fairways...
The pressure was just to much for Rory to handle...he simply choked it away
I love watching the back 9 of a major
You can cut the drama with a knife


DeChambeau won this one the same way he won Winged Foot. He hit it as far as he could and then dealt with the lie. At Winged Foot it was 6 inches of thick rough. At Pinehurst it was sandy, slop and wire grass. Eventually his body will not be able to mash it out of these lies for 72 holes - tear ligaments in his wrist or shoulder. But for now he can overpower the course.

No doubt DeChambeau won it. He made the least amount of mistakes. And when he had to, he got up and down to save par more times than anyone else. It wasn't pretty golf, but that was not what the course called for.
I'm curious where people place the Rory blowing it in history  
Essex : 6/17/2024 8:33 am : link
he missed two short putts that he had hit 498 of that length prior to 16. That is a collapse, maybe not as big as Norman at the Masters in 96, but certainly up there with Mickelson at Winged Foot. The one thing that I remember about Mickeslon at Winged Foot was that he had played so poorly all day but somehow was able to just bail himself out time and time again and then he got to 18 and well the rest is history.
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AROCK1000 : 6/17/2024 8:54 am : link
Rory went from 3 down to 1 up...
Dechambeau shot 1 over par on Sunday
Rory missed 2 championship level winning puts on the last 3 holes....
RE: I'm curious where people place the Rory blowing it in history  
section125 : 6/17/2024 8:59 am : link
In comment 16538170 Essex said:
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he missed two short putts that he had hit 498 of that length prior to 16. That is a collapse, maybe not as big as Norman at the Masters in 96, but certainly up there with Mickelson at Winged Foot. The one thing that I remember about Mickeslon at Winged Foot was that he had played so poorly all day but somehow was able to just bail himself out time and time again and then he got to 18 and well the rest is history.


With the difficulty of that course, I do think he missed a good opportunity to win. I do not think it was "blowing it". He was under par for the day. Most players were over par. A quick look shows about 6/8 under par and most over.

I am not dismissing his "missed" putts. But it is his usual M.O. He is simply not an upper level short game player - perhaps inconsistent is a better term. We saw what happened to Scheffler. He could not make a single putt even with great chances and he wasn't even in the hunt.

I like Rory and wish he could win more. But like Vijay Singh, he is mediocre in the short game - for that level of play.
this rory "blowing it" reminds me of dustin us open 2015  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2024 11:06 am : link
when everyone criticized him as choking for the 3 putt even though it was just an insanely difficult situation for a guy who isn't a good putter.

everyone expects pros to be good putters but some of them just arent good at that (or else they would win more because they are all time strikers).

bryson stepped up.
rory stepped up through 16 then reverted to his norm.

the way he stepped up through 16 was what was surprising.
even the sand save on 17.

on 18 he left himself too difficult of a putt in that situation.
pretty crazy  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2024 11:20 am : link
how Rory has been the biggest non-ancient (Woods/Phil) name in golf over the last decade, yet has 0 Major wins to show for it. I was rooting for him yesterday and that was rough to see at the end. I'm sure he has another surge in him where he wins 2-3 more Majors by the end of this decade, but 10 years is certainly a long time.
RE: pretty crazy  
jestersdead : 6/17/2024 11:25 am : link
In comment 16538277 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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how Rory has been the biggest non-ancient (Woods/Phil) name in golf over the last decade, yet has 0 Major wins to show for it. I was rooting for him yesterday and that was rough to see at the end. I'm sure he has another surge in him where he wins 2-3 more Majors by the end of this decade, but 10 years is certainly a long time.

Spieth is on a similar trajectory, won 3 of the 4 majors early in his career and has struggled to win another. I would love to see him get a 4th major and complete the grand slam.

If Rory leaves himself 4 feet, below the hole, he makes the putt and we are watching a playoff today. Give Bryson credit, no one had gotten up and down from that bunker all week and to put it within 4 feet was a 1.7% chance

US golfers have won the last 6 gold majors
RE: RE: pretty crazy  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2024 11:32 am : link
In comment 16538282 jestersdead said:
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Give Bryson credit, no one had gotten up and down from that bunker all week and to put it within 4 feet was a 1.7% chance


so kind of cool thing happened on golf channel after tournament, Johnson Wagner recreated the bunker shot with bryson watching holding the trophy, hits it to under 2 feet (though it was his 2nd attempt).

id have liked to see them recreate rory's putt and see how anyone does, i really think if you put 10 top guys through almost half miss if they dont have a look at the line prior.
WATCH: Golf Channel Host Perfectly Recreates Bryson DeChambeau’s Winning Bunker Shot at U.S. Open — And DeChambeau Hands Him Trophy For It - ( New Window )
Eric thanks for that link.  
section125 : 6/17/2024 11:43 am : link
Funny thing is, when Bryson came over and they were talking in the bunker Bryson says he opted for the "chunk and run" so it would not go over the green.
When Johnson says "oh-I chunked it", Bryson says that is perfect and it went to 2 feet.
RE: Eric thanks for that link.  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2024 11:51 am : link
In comment 16538298 section125 said:
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Funny thing is, when Bryson came over and they were talking in the bunker Bryson says he opted for the "chunk and run" so it would not go over the green.
When Johnson says "oh-I chunked it", Bryson says that is perfect and it went to 2 feet.


that whole segment was really cool. loved how wagner was complimenting bryson since fewer people say he's an a-hole now. im not a bryson fan but that was a great open sunday.
RE: RE: Eric thanks for that link.  
section125 : 6/17/2024 12:09 pm : link
In comment 16538307 Eric on Li said:
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Funny thing is, when Bryson came over and they were talking in the bunker Bryson says he opted for the "chunk and run" so it would not go over the green.
When Johnson says "oh-I chunked it", Bryson says that is perfect and it went to 2 feet.



that whole segment was really cool. loved how wagner was complimenting bryson since fewer people say he's an a-hole now. im not a bryson fan but that was a great open sunday.


I have a friend that calls him DoucheChambeau - and he was a bit of a DBag. I noticed he has gotten better last couple years.
When he signed the kid's hat (in the wheelchair with Palsy) between holes - that was class.

It was a cool segment that ends with - Wanna go get a cold one with me? Sure!
RE: RE: RE: Eric thanks for that link.  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2024 12:12 pm : link
In comment 16538335 section125 said:
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It was a cool segment that ends with - Wanna go get a cold one with me? Sure!


pretty sure that's because most of the tour guys still dont want to hang out with him lol. but i agree, it does seem like he's at least changed a little bit.
Rory "Sore Loser"  
Sky King : 6/17/2024 1:08 pm : link
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Rory McIlroy snubs Bryson DeChambeau and flees US Open after 'biggest choke in history' plus leaves US Open IMMEDIATELY after humiliating Pinehurst collapse - and REFUSES to speak to media.

According to The Telegraph, DeChambeau was left asking officials why he hadn't seen McIlroy in the aftermath of the final round. The same publication pointed to DeChambeau's own decision to wait around to shake the hand of Xander Schauffele after narrowly losing to his compatriot at the PGA Championship in May.

Footage on social media showed McIlroy watching DeChambeau hole out at the 18th to beat him by a single stroke before heading for the door. He is said to have then headed straight for the airport - before the winner had even begun his victory press conference.



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Not shocked with Rory  
UConn4523 : 6/17/2024 1:26 pm : link
he’s always been a baby.
RE: Not shocked with Rory  
jestersdead : 6/17/2024 1:37 pm : link
In comment 16538396 UConn4523 said:
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he’s always been a baby.

Agreed. But I think there is a lot more to this. I don't think Rory would have left if it was a European, PGA player (Shane Lowry) but since Bryson is an American and LIV player, it played out this way
If true thats even worse  
UConn4523 : 6/17/2024 1:41 pm : link
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More  
Sky King : 6/17/2024 2:42 pm : link
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PINEHURST, N.C. — Within seven minutes of Bryson DeChambeau’s ball landing in the cup, the ripping sound of tires skirting on pavement whipped through Pinehurst Resort as Rory McIlroy’s courtesy Lexus SUV pulled out of his 2011 U.S. Open champion parking place and drove away from the day he’ll never escape. He stared into the distance as his agents and caddie spoke around him. No interviews. The 35-year-old Northern Irishman simply tossed his clubs and workout bag into the trunk, slipped into the driver’s seat and threw it into reverse. The U.S. Open ended at 6:38 p.m. At 7:29 p.m., McIlroy’s Gulfstream 5 took off, leaving the Sandhills of North Carolina without his fifth major championship but with the collapse that will define him forever.

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That is pretty poor  
section125 : 6/17/2024 2:49 pm : link
leaving in a huff. They were the group ahead - so finished 10 minutes before DeChambeau?
LIV stuff aside, it is poor decorum. I will never blame anyone for taking the money. I will blame them if they can come back before some kind of compensation from LIV to those that stayed with the PGA Tour.
LIV  
AROCK1000 : 6/17/2024 4:56 pm : link
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leaving in a huff. They were the group ahead - so finished 10 minutes before DeChambeau?
LIV stuff aside, it is poor decorum. I will never blame anyone for taking the money. I will blame them if they can come back before some kind of compensation from LIV to those that stayed with the PGA Tour.

Players shoud be banned from PGA events
Period
RE: LIV  
section125 : 6/17/2024 5:25 pm : link
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leaving in a huff. They were the group ahead - so finished 10 minutes before DeChambeau?
LIV stuff aside, it is poor decorum. I will never blame anyone for taking the money. I will blame them if they can come back before some kind of compensation from LIV to those that stayed with the PGA Tour.


Players shoud be banned from PGA events
Period



They are banned from PGA sponsored events, but the Masters is a private invitational, the Open is run by the Royal & Ancient Golf Club and the US Open is run by the USGA which is "open" to anyone that can qualify, including those already holding exemptions.
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