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| Michael Lombardi @mlombardiNFL What has Jones ever done to deserve this deal and eat up 18.8% of the Giants’ cap? He is 6-21 against teams that went on to make the playoffs, 0-11 against teams that won twelve or more games, and according to NFL research, the only quarterback to receive a contract in excess of $100 million and never have a season of throwing for 3,500 yards, or 25 plus touchdowns. |
Feels like you really hated that season.
The Jones deal was wrongheaded, no matter how you look at it.
Feels like you really hated that season.
I don't think anybody is upset by the playoff run. They don't like the process that led to giving a bad QB a mega deal.
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You actually might be insane. Using Schoen media quotes to prove something is wild. The Giants preferred to tag Jones. All their actions pointed toward that. If Saqoun took the multi year deal Jones would have gotten tagged. So where is the “basic fact” that’s wrong in the bolded part?
wrong again but i guess no reason to stop now - all of the reporting even through last july (mike g, dunleavy) was that the giants never up'd their offer from what they had offered Barkley during the bye week of 2022 and instead focused entirely on extending jones, and that barkley would have hit FA if the giants had to use the tag on jones.
Them not upping their offer and focusing on extending doesn’t mean they didn’t prefer to sign Barkley and tag Jones. They had a price for Barkley and didn’t go above so they moved on to extending Jones.
Hard to continue a discussion or actually have any type of discussion with substance when the time that Jones actually had some semblance of team success which had a lot to do with his play, you guys were nowhere to be found.
Are you including yourself?
Taken alone it is a small sample size - an atrocious performance though. But Jones has had 62 NFL starts, incl playoffs. And that is not a small sample size. And it tells a consistent story. A QB who is mistake prone when he airs it out so he has become a dink and dunker who avoids attacking defenses downfield and needs to have success running to have any hope of being effective.
It's clear Schoen & Daboll liked Jones enough to give him the contact. Breer referenced the Packers game as a buy in moment:
The Giants that day didn’t just win with Jones. They won because of him, and even his middling final numbers, Schoen and Daboll saw a guy they could build around. The question would be, then, at what cost would they be willing to go forward with that idea.
Teams don't have success in a first year of a regime including a road playoff win and then change course. Teams keep building generally.
I'm disappointed with the team right now and I wanted a QB in the draft. However, I get the fatigue by some who completely discount a playoff win against the Vikings while also propping up the Vikings with KOC as some brilliant offensive mastermind with an organization trending up. People want it both ways re: the Vikings.
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You actually might be insane. Using Schoen media quotes to prove something is wild. The Giants preferred to tag Jones. All their actions pointed toward that. If Saqoun took the multi year deal Jones would have gotten tagged. So where is the “basic fact” that’s wrong in the bolded part?
wrong again but i guess no reason to stop now - all of the reporting even through last july (mike g, dunleavy) was that the giants never up'd their offer from what they had offered Barkley during the bye week of 2022 and instead focused entirely on extending jones, and that barkley would have hit FA if the giants had to use the tag on jones.
Them not upping their offer and focusing on extending doesn’t mean they didn’t prefer to sign Barkley and tag Jones. They had a price for Barkley and didn’t go above so they moved on to extending Jones.
they wanted to keep barkley so bad they didnt offer him anything more than what they already had and instead went against their preference to tag jones, and extended him?
you know what i think im finally past this. if you want to buy what lombardi is selling enjoy the shuffle. ill stick to what's said by the guys who are actually holding the gm jobs and what's credibly reported by the guys who do real work and break real news.
It's clear Schoen & Daboll liked Jones enough to give him the contact. Breer referenced the Packers game as a buy in moment:
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That led to a turning point in how the new Giants bosses viewed Jones in Week 5. The team was in London, playing the Packers, and down 20–13 with 3:15 left in the third quarter, taking possession at its own 9. Saquon Barkley hurt his shoulder on the first play of the possession and came out of the game, putting the pressure squarely on Jones. The quarterback responded with seven straight completions for 55 yards and three runs for another 22 yards as part of a 15-play, 91-yard game-tying drive.
The Giants that day didn’t just win with Jones. They won because of him, and even his middling final numbers, Schoen and Daboll saw a guy they could build around. The question would be, then, at what cost would they be willing to go forward with that idea.
Teams don't have success in a first year of a regime including a road playoff win and then change course. Teams keep building generally.
I'm disappointed with the team right now and I wanted a QB in the draft. However, I get the fatigue by some who completely discount a playoff win against the Vikings while also propping up the Vikings with KOC as some brilliant offensive mastermind with an organization trending up. People want it both ways re: the Vikings. Link - ( New Window )
Give me a break. He carved up a team that didn't play defense. A lot of bad QBs would have had a big day against that defense, that day. Many have had similar performances against bad defenses in the playoffs. It didn't make them bad QBs. You don't decide to sign a mega contract with a QB based on one game. It's just dumb process.
Plenty of teams let players they love walk because they don’t feel the price is worth it. You don’t think the Giants would have taken back Linval Joseph if the price was reasonable?
Plenty of teams let players they love walk because they don’t feel the price is worth it. You don’t think the Giants would have taken back Linval Joseph if the price was reasonable?
QB is different though. It's a QB driven league and the majority of teams don't have them. Ultimately Schoen tried to thread a needle to maintain what was built in 2022 without fully committing with guaranteed money beyond 2024.
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It's clear Schoen & Daboll liked Jones enough to give him the contact. Breer referenced the Packers game as a buy in moment:
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That led to a turning point in how the new Giants bosses viewed Jones in Week 5. The team was in London, playing the Packers, and down 20–13 with 3:15 left in the third quarter, taking possession at its own 9. Saquon Barkley hurt his shoulder on the first play of the possession and came out of the game, putting the pressure squarely on Jones. The quarterback responded with seven straight completions for 55 yards and three runs for another 22 yards as part of a 15-play, 91-yard game-tying drive.
The Giants that day didn’t just win with Jones. They won because of him, and even his middling final numbers, Schoen and Daboll saw a guy they could build around. The question would be, then, at what cost would they be willing to go forward with that idea.
Teams don't have success in a first year of a regime including a road playoff win and then change course. Teams keep building generally.
I'm disappointed with the team right now and I wanted a QB in the draft. However, I get the fatigue by some who completely discount a playoff win against the Vikings while also propping up the Vikings with KOC as some brilliant offensive mastermind with an organization trending up. People want it both ways re: the Vikings. Link - ( New Window )
The 2017 Vikings let Case Keenum walk after getting to the NFC title game. Incidentally the Jaguars paid Blake Bortles after getting to the AFC title game that same year.
One team was smart, one was dumb. The Giants didn't learn from that. I doubt they even noticed.
You're right though; they weren't going anywhere. Especially Jones - that truth was borne out again a couple months ago.
I do have to give Jones credit. Milking 6 years out of these idiots...he's a shitty quarterback but he's no dummy. Good for him.
Plenty of teams let players they love walk because they don’t feel the price is worth it. You don’t think the Giants would have taken back Linval Joseph if the price was reasonable?
I don’t need to stretch too hard to believe the gm was telling the truth about liking a guy he signs to the biggest contract in franchise history.
And linval signed a reasonable contract that ended up being underpaid, we stupidly paid Beason instead of him at a similar amount. Bad teams are usually the result of bad choices.
The Jones deal was wrongheaded, no matter how you look at it.
Outside of the obvious ones all decisions are case by case. This same logic could have applied to not extending Eli, he’s not a .500 qb for his career entirely by accident, he was never on the consistent mvp level someone like mahomes or his brother was Or rodgers or brees. General consensus on Eli was that he was overrated and the worst qb to win a sb until the 2nd one.
I’m not saying you sign anyone at whatever the cost, I think it’s clear that this regime saw a player they liked enough they were willing to hitch their wagon even at a big price tag. That they kept their wagon hitched after the acl is not a small clue re how they feel about him even after 23. I don’t think I’d have had the confidence to do that without a better backup plan than lock.
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I’m sure there Giants like Saqoun a lot, not budging from their price doesn’t mean they didn’t want him back a lot.
Plenty of teams let players they love walk because they don’t feel the price is worth it. You don’t think the Giants would have taken back Linval Joseph if the price was reasonable?
QB is different though. It's a QB driven league and the majority of teams don't have them. Ultimately Schoen tried to thread a needle to maintain what was built in 2022 without fully committing with guaranteed money beyond 2024.
Agreed, that was in response to Eric saying they clearly didn’t want Saqoun back bad enough if they didn’t up their offer
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I’m sure there Giants like Saqoun a lot, not budging from their price doesn’t mean they didn’t want him back a lot.
Plenty of teams let players they love walk because they don’t feel the price is worth it. You don’t think the Giants would have taken back Linval Joseph if the price was reasonable?
I don’t need to stretch too hard to believe the gm was telling the truth about liking a guy he signs to the biggest contract in franchise history.
And linval signed a reasonable contract that ended up being underpaid, we stupidly paid Beason instead of him at a similar amount. Bad teams are usually the result of bad choices.
Like signing a QB who can’t throw touchdowns to a contract that takes up 17% of next years cap
Not really a great example. The 2017 Vikings were supposed to be qb’d by bridgewater or Bradford. Keenum was a career backup who had a heater. They replaced him with cousins so it’s not like they saved money, they spent more on a different 30 year old qb with more experience.
Again, I don't dispute what Lombardi tweeted. I'm just so sick & tired of the Jones stuff, which-I admit-I'm an active & full participant in. I just want to move on SO badly. It honestly feels like we're just running in place with him @ QB. And the thing that pisses me off most is this 'no scholarships' BS Joe & Dabs preach. Based on '23, there should be an open competition at QB this summer. Jones shouldn't just be handed the job. But it is what it is. The one saving grace is that I think he'll have a short leash if he struggles early, which is a very real & probably most likely scenario.
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I’m sure there Giants like Saqoun a lot, not budging from their price doesn’t mean they didn’t want him back a lot.
Plenty of teams let players they love walk because they don’t feel the price is worth it. You don’t think the Giants would have taken back Linval Joseph if the price was reasonable?
I don’t need to stretch too hard to believe the gm was telling the truth about liking a guy he signs to the biggest contract in franchise history.
And linval signed a reasonable contract that ended up being underpaid, we stupidly paid Beason instead of him at a similar amount. Bad teams are usually the result of bad choices.
Like signing a QB who can’t throw touchdowns to a contract that takes up 17% of next years cap
Where did I ever say extending jones may not end up a bad choice? Just bc they paid a reasonable price doesn’t mean it will work out.
The simpleton ? Lombardi is click baiting was “what did he ever do to get paid what he’s paid” and the answer is 2022. The 17% is more stupid hyperbole bc last year he was like 6%.
Nothing new bc the next guy will be treated the same way.
Imagine the giants sign dak next year,
or had been the ny team that traded for rodgers and then tore his Achilles week 1,
Or traded for Russ or Watson.
Qb debates are ubiquitous. maybe fans love rookies, until they have a bad year like bryce. So basically draft a rookie who makes the pro bowl or you’re screwed. Unless that rookie regresses like mayfield and Mac jones.
Every team that doesn’t have the top handful of guys is in some version of this.
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In comment 16536512 ajr2456 said:
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I’m sure there Giants like Saqoun a lot, not budging from their price doesn’t mean they didn’t want him back a lot.
Plenty of teams let players they love walk because they don’t feel the price is worth it. You don’t think the Giants would have taken back Linval Joseph if the price was reasonable?
I don’t need to stretch too hard to believe the gm was telling the truth about liking a guy he signs to the biggest contract in franchise history.
And linval signed a reasonable contract that ended up being underpaid, we stupidly paid Beason instead of him at a similar amount. Bad teams are usually the result of bad choices.
Like signing a QB who can’t throw touchdowns to a contract that takes up 17% of next years cap
Where did I ever say extending jones may not end up a bad choice? Just bc they paid a reasonable price doesn’t mean it will work out.
The simpleton ? Lombardi is click baiting was “what did he ever do to get paid what he’s paid” and the answer is 2022. The 17% is more stupid hyperbole bc last year he was like 6%.
So what you’re saying is Lombardi, or anyone else for that matter that doesn’t view ‘22 as anything more than a mediocre performance in a dumbed down version of Daboll offense with a easy schedule as some kind of season that should lead to a $40M+/year contract after the much larger sample size would fore tell that this QB may just not be very good is/are just “simpletons” looking for click bait? Wtf? And don’t give us this shit that you aren’t saying it wasn’t a bad contract. If you honestly felt that way it wouldn’t be such a shock to you that Lombardi and many, many, many others feel it was a bad contract based an an incredibly small and yet overstated sample size of that “historic” ‘22 season
The absurdity of this post made me snort laugh
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In comment 16536512 ajr2456 said:
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I’m sure there Giants like Saqoun a lot, not budging from their price doesn’t mean they didn’t want him back a lot.
Plenty of teams let players they love walk because they don’t feel the price is worth it. You don’t think the Giants would have taken back Linval Joseph if the price was reasonable?
I don’t need to stretch too hard to believe the gm was telling the truth about liking a guy he signs to the biggest contract in franchise history.
And linval signed a reasonable contract that ended up being underpaid, we stupidly paid Beason instead of him at a similar amount. Bad teams are usually the result of bad choices.
Like signing a QB who can’t throw touchdowns to a contract that takes up 17% of next years cap
Where did I ever say extending jones may not end up a bad choice? Just bc they paid a reasonable price doesn’t mean it will work out.
The simpleton ? Lombardi is click baiting was “what did he ever do to get paid what he’s paid” and the answer is 2022. The 17% is more stupid hyperbole bc last year he was like 6%.
So what you’re saying is Lombardi, or anyone else for that matter that doesn’t view ‘22 as anything more than a mediocre performance in a dumbed down version of Daboll offense with a easy schedule as some kind of season that should lead to a $40M+/year contract after the much larger sample size would fore tell that this QB may just not be very good is/are just “simpletons” looking for click bait? Wtf? And don’t give us this shit that you aren’t saying it wasn’t a bad contract. If you honestly felt that way it wouldn’t be such a shock to you that Lombardi and many, many, many others feel it was a bad contract based an an incredibly small and yet overstated sample size of that “historic” ‘22 season
Not quite - I’m saying anyone who wants to claim to be an nfl expert like mr “eye of the gm” should understand why jones got paid what he did because it is basic nfl economics. They don’t need to agree with it.
I’d also point out that if 18 games of 2022 was “incredibly small and yet overstated sample size” isn’t the same even more true for those looking to use the far smaller sample of 2023 as a means to invalidate 2022?
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Is that only playing 4 full games in 2023 is not a big enough sample size to definitively say he had or would have had an awful year anyway. Compare it to Aaron Judge's major slump for the Yankees this season-he was awful. And guess what, he snapped out of it. How can it be said for certain that Jones would not have bounced back with the improved oline play that Tyrod and DeVito had?
The absurdity of this post made me snort laugh
I think both Jack Stroud & eightshamrocks are relatives or friends of Jones. & I'm half kidding when I say that. Stroud especially, who has weird fetish about always saying Jones can lead us to 10 wins if healthy/all breaks right. It's always 10 wins. Not 11, not 12. 10 everytime.
Fair, but there’s a reason he hasn’t lowered. Because Jones hasn’t played well since signing it, albeit a small sample size. As it stands it’s a bad contract that you just need to swallow and get it over with.
Yeah I'm not going to give Schoen credit there. He fucked up huge, full stop. And watch Jokes be the 2025 starter. That's going to be hilarious, in a way.
and what's more is he was just 6% last year, and his 18% this year didnt stop them from signing burns to a very big deal or spending on the OL. they have room right now and havent had to restructure anyone.
if he gets cut next year he will have cost 13% against the cap over the 2 years of the contract plus whatever the dead $.
if hurts/jones was the comparison he was making anyone with a microcosm of understanding of the cap knows the hurts deal and the jones deal are in 2 different galaxies of both cost and structure.
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That's true but not fair without context. He's comparing Hurts percentage of the cap vs Jones. Well, the reason Jones is 18% this year is because Schoen isn't touching his contract and pushing it out. Need to mention that. Schoen could lower it if he wanted to.
Yeah I'm not going to give Schoen credit there. He fucked up huge, full stop. And watch Jokes be the 2025 starter. That's going to be hilarious, in a way.
honest question for you,
jax just gave lawrence 275m,
atl gave cousins 180m off achilles,
hurts got 255m,
goff got 212m,
baker got 100m,
i think it's pretty clear none of them are on the elite mahomes/burrow level, so do you think all of those gms made mistakes?
Yea but he’ll only have the 16th highest cap hit, and the year after it would be 20!
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That's true but not fair without context. He's comparing Hurts percentage of the cap vs Jones. Well, the reason Jones is 18% this year is because Schoen isn't touching his contract and pushing it out. Need to mention that. Schoen could lower it if he wanted to.
Yeah I'm not going to give Schoen credit there. He fucked up huge, full stop. And watch Jokes be the 2025 starter. That's going to be hilarious, in a way.
honest question for you,
jax just gave lawrence 275m,
atl gave cousins 180m off achilles,
hurts got 255m,
goff got 212m,
baker got 100m,
i think it's pretty clear none of them are on the elite mahomes/burrow level, so do you think all of those gms made mistakes?
I think Hurts is really good; I'd pay that guy. The others, no.
I always think the best ways to look it deals is cash paid divided by salary caps in the years they played. Jones would be 82M divided by 480M, or 17%.
As far as slots, this is the way I look at it.
Each of those teams negotiated "option" years in those deals. The Giants just paid more.
Mayfield had the baggage of getting traded and then getting cut. Jones had the baggage of getting banged up, the turnovers, and sucking balls. I don't think Mayfield's baggage was > than Jones's. But if it was, it wasn't 2X.
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That's true but not fair without context. He's comparing Hurts percentage of the cap vs Jones. Well, the reason Jones is 18% this year is because Schoen isn't touching his contract and pushing it out. Need to mention that. Schoen could lower it if he wanted to.
Fair, but there’s a reason he hasn’t lowered. Because Jones hasn’t played well since signing it, albeit a small sample size. As it stands it’s a bad contract that you just need to swallow and get it over with.
Exactly. That's what I expect Schoen to do. Rickey has made that clear as well.
I always think the best ways to look it deals is cash paid divided by salary caps in the years they played. Jones would be 82M divided by 480M, or 17%.
As far as slots, this is the way I look at it.
Each of those teams negotiated "option" years in those deals. The Giants just paid more.
Mayfield had the baggage of getting traded and then getting cut. Jones had the baggage of getting banged up, the turnovers, and sucking balls. I don't think Mayfield's baggage was > than Jones's. But if it was, it wasn't 2X.
mixing and matching some things to make your point. mayfield didnt get 2x jones, he got his 2nd year partially guaranteed, jones got it fully guaranteed. thats the big difference.
if both played out 3 years of their contracts before hitting any incentives mayfield gets 100m, jones gets 112.5m.
if both play out 2 years of their contracts, jones gets 82m, baker gets 60m.
tampa got the earlier ripcord that they can pull next year if they want after 1 year, likely because of the extra baggage baker carried with him of having had things go south in both CLE and CAR.
since the details came out the structure of deal the giants gave jones has been pretty clear, they gave him stronger guarantees in return for 2 extra non-guaranteed years they wanted to control. they wanted the 4th year tampa didnt get (and may not have wanted).
It is possible that the Giants could have a good team that can compete in big games. There was a time where we talked about winning the division, getting home playoff games, how we would match up with the best teams in the league.
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That's true but not fair without context. He's comparing Hurts percentage of the cap vs Jones. Well, the reason Jones is 18% this year is because Schoen isn't touching his contract and pushing it out. Need to mention that. Schoen could lower it if he wanted to.
Yeah I'm not going to give Schoen credit there. He fucked up huge, full stop. And watch Jokes be the 2025 starter. That's going to be hilarious, in a way.
honest question for you,
jax just gave lawrence 275m,
atl gave cousins 180m off achilles,
hurts got 255m,
goff got 212m,
baker got 100m,
i think it's pretty clear none of them are on the elite mahomes/burrow level, so do you think all of those gms made mistakes?
I think Hurts is really good; I'd pay that guy. The others, no.
its funny but out of that group i think i hate the contract hurts got the most. we havent seen details of lawrences yet but assuming it's more traditional in structure id probably choose him over hurts at the higher #.
the hurts contract is impossible to get out of if he doesnt work out in the next half decade. which is imminently possible for any running qb who has a meaningful injury.
People call it an "easy out", which it's not, but we are 6 months away from this being discussed as an "easy in".
Midway through another typical medicore Jones season, I guarantee stuff like this will start coming from the Giants media.
"Releasing Jones would result in a $22 M dead cap hit, while retaining Jones would only cost the team an additional $18 M. Although Jones has not performed at the level of a $40 M QB, there are many inside the building who believe he is easily worth the extra $18 M. Especially given the emergence of Malik Nabers in the last 2 games and the uncertainty of the QBs in the 2025 draft, retaining Jones for 2025 may be the prudent decision for Big Blue.
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If Jones is cut after next year, he'll still have a dead cap hit in 2025 of 22M.
People call it an "easy out", which it's not, but we are 6 months away from this being discussed as an "easy in".
Midway through another typical medicore Jones season, I guarantee stuff like this will start coming from the Giants media.
"Releasing Jones would result in a $22 M dead cap hit, while retaining Jones would only cost the team an additional $18 M. Although Jones has not performed at the level of a $40 M QB, there are many inside the building who believe he is easily worth the extra $18 M. Especially given the emergence of Malik Nabers in the last 2 games and the uncertainty of the QBs in the 2025 draft, retaining Jones for 2025 may be the prudent decision for Big Blue.
Pat Leonard is already circling back to the they don’t have enough weapons takes, saying they didn’t add Nabers to Waller and Saqoun.
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If Jones is cut after next year, he'll still have a dead cap hit in 2025 of 22M.
People call it an "easy out", which it's not, but we are 6 months away from this being discussed as an "easy in".
Midway through another typical medicore Jones season, I guarantee stuff like this will start coming from the Giants media.
"Releasing Jones would result in a $22 M dead cap hit, while retaining Jones would only cost the team an additional $18 M. Although Jones has not performed at the level of a $40 M QB, there are many inside the building who believe he is easily worth the extra $18 M. Especially given the emergence of Malik Nabers in the last 2 games and the uncertainty of the QBs in the 2025 draft, retaining Jones for 2025 may be the prudent decision for Big Blue.
The Giants will need to win. The majority of fans I'd say lean towards moving on. They can sell that message at 7-4, but not at 4-7.
I always think the best ways to look it deals is cash paid divided by salary caps in the years they played. Jones would be 82M divided by 480M, or 17%.
As far as slots, this is the way I look at it.
Each of those teams negotiated "option" years in those deals. The Giants just paid more.
Mayfield had the baggage of getting traded and then getting cut. Jones had the baggage of getting banged up, the turnovers, and sucking balls. I don't think Mayfield's baggage was > than Jones's. But if it was, it wasn't 2X.
mixing and matching some things to make your point. mayfield didnt get 2x jones, he got his 2nd year partially guaranteed, jones got it fully guaranteed. thats the big difference.
I am not mixing anything. My point is Mayfield received 40M in full guarantees and Jones received 82M.
Mayfield had a better career record, was more durable, and won playoff games in 2 separate seasons.
The reason (you've alluded to it, and I agree) Mayfield didn't land a huge deal is because he bounced around, and either real or perceived there's a stigma, and he had more to prove.
That thing he had to prove landed him 1/2 as much guaranteed money. My view is Jones had just as much to prove.
Said in another way, I wish the Giants would had given Jones the deal Mayfield received.
Then I saw who posted it and just laughed harder.
2. Tampa Bay benefitted from seeing how the Jones deal played out in year one.
2. Tampa Bay benefitted from seeing how the Jones deal played out in year one.
I think a third, and it's unfortunately the point I've made over and over: the Giants really like Daniel Jones.
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If Jones is cut after next year, he'll still have a dead cap hit in 2025 of 22M.
I always think the best ways to look it deals is cash paid divided by salary caps in the years they played. Jones would be 82M divided by 480M, or 17%.
As far as slots, this is the way I look at it.
Each of those teams negotiated "option" years in those deals. The Giants just paid more.
Mayfield had the baggage of getting traded and then getting cut. Jones had the baggage of getting banged up, the turnovers, and sucking balls. I don't think Mayfield's baggage was > than Jones's. But if it was, it wasn't 2X.
mixing and matching some things to make your point. mayfield didnt get 2x jones, he got his 2nd year partially guaranteed, jones got it fully guaranteed. thats the big difference.
I am not mixing anything. My point is Mayfield received 40M in full guarantees and Jones received 82M.
Mayfield had a better career record, was more durable, and won playoff games in 2 separate seasons.
The reason (you've alluded to it, and I agree) Mayfield didn't land a huge deal is because he bounced around, and either real or perceived there's a stigma, and he had more to prove.
That thing he had to prove landed him 1/2 as much guaranteed money. My view is Jones had just as much to prove.
Said in another way, I wish the Giants would had given Jones the deal Mayfield received.
anyone would like to spend less on anything but markets are what they are. mayfield seemed to have less of a threat of a tag so he had a clear path to open market, and he only got 1 year guaranteed that wasnt far off tag amount anyway. he was willing to take less and i doubt it was for no reason. it could have just been the fortune of more QB options on the market this year with fields/wilson both available cheap.