Why the Giants Should Improve This Season - Team Age

our all-world LT, who is entering his FIFTH year in the NFL, are both 25 years old!!

how young we were again this year.

how young the nyg roster has been in 2022 and 2023. this one was from bill barnwell in january (and today it's probably even younger minus the snaps played by tyrod, waller, glowinski, pugh, etc):



this is in part why i've been commenting most of this offseason that regardless of QB decisions, this is a big year for the new regime. the roster is mostly homegrown by them, and most of it has been built from higher end resources. day 1/2 draft picks, well paid FAs, trades, etc.

Schoen said day one “I won’t say we’ll never do that (sign big money vets), but I prefer to draft, develop and sign our own. I just think the margin for error is much smaller because you know exactly what you’re paying for. You know how the guys work on a daily basis and you know how they fit your culture. So, that’s kind of how I foresee us doing it here with the Giants.”

The current roster reflects that. Most of our departures came from prior regime. Going into year 3, it's their team now and the youth reflects that. If they're good (I think they are) and choose correctly, the roster hits its prime together.

Bad players, poor picks, poorly coached players do not generally improve, or at least enough to make them good players. This team's drafts over the past 10 years speak pretty well to that.

In comment 16536338 Eric on Li said:

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how young the nyg roster has been in 2022 and 2023. this one was from bill barnwell in january (and today it's probably even younger minus the snaps played by tyrod, waller, glowinski, pugh, etc): this is in part why i've been commenting most of this offseason that regardless of QB decisions, this is a big year for the new regime. the roster is mostly homegrown by them, and most of it has been built from higher end resources. day 1/2 draft picks, well paid FAs, trades, etc.

There's still only a year and a half difference between NYG and the oldest team, N.O.

In comment 16536352 Bill in UT said:

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In comment 16536338 Eric on Li said: Quote: how young the nyg roster has been in 2022 and 2023. this one was from bill barnwell in january (and today it's probably even younger minus the snaps played by tyrod, waller, glowinski, pugh, etc): this is in part why i've been commenting most of this offseason that regardless of QB decisions, this is a big year for the new regime. the roster is mostly homegrown by them, and most of it has been built from higher end resources. day 1/2 draft picks, well paid FAs, trades, etc. There's still only a year and a half difference between NYG and the oldest team, N.O.

Feeling a bit pessimistic today Bill

First of all, the drafts of the last 10 years mean nothing.
The drafts of the last 2-3 years matter

Secondly, as the roster page and chart Eric posted show, the guys who will actually be taking snaps for the Giants are almost all ascending players.

And, as pointed out, the Giants average age is now even younger than the chart illustrates

In comment 16536352 Bill in UT said:

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In comment 16536338 Eric on Li said: Quote: how young the nyg roster has been in 2022 and 2023. this one was from bill barnwell in january (and today it's probably even younger minus the snaps played by tyrod, waller, glowinski, pugh, etc): this is in part why i've been commenting most of this offseason that regardless of QB decisions, this is a big year for the new regime. the roster is mostly homegrown by them, and most of it has been built from higher end resources. day 1/2 draft picks, well paid FAs, trades, etc. There's still only a year and a half difference between NYG and the oldest team, N.O.

when the average career is 3 years, 1-2 years of age is not an insignificant difference even if it seems small. a snaps weighted average is factoring 22 positions, plus probably another dozen subs who play a lot of snaps, so the spread of ages isn't going to be vast from any team when so many players have short careers. the skews up on teams like NO comes from a handful of veterans in the 30+ range dragging the average up.

this year's depth chart is mostly players on rookie contracts and i believe the only veteran starter older than 27 is elumeanor (29).

In comment 16536348 Bill in UT said:

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Bad players, poor picks, poorly coached players do not generally improve, or at least enough to make them good players. This team's drafts over the past 10 years speak pretty well to that.

And the last ten years matter for a roster that has been almost completely rebuilt over the last three years. How does that work. Is the ghost of Eli Apple haunting the locker room.

The only projected starter at prime or beyond is Eluemunor.

It'a an excellent point. Most of the Giant players are almost assured to be better this season. Don't know where they'd rank, but it's got to be high. So patched holes and healed injuries aside, improvement is more well-based expectation than hope. Which is nice.

This is a good point and it’s lost on the general consensus and doom and gloom crowd here. We had one of the youngest teams in football last year and may have gotten younger this year. A lot of how this team does and the talent level is contingent on how Schoens draft classes progress.

It is also overrated by optimists though. Youth doesn’t guarantee improvement either. The previous draft picks can plateau or get injured and the new class can start slow. If that happens this is a bottom tier roster. All it means is that the Giants have a wide range in terms of the talent on the roster, it’s asymmetrically higher because of where we’re starting though. If the bull cases hit then the giants have one of the best young wr groups and pass rushes in football with an OL clearing the very low bar of being functional. That sets the table. It’s a big year, don’t understand the lack of interest given the stakes.

Was there an analysis done on the ages of the teams the Giants are competing with ? The Giants will be a better team this year than last year especially if the young players get better but other teams have young players too and they should get better too. And maybe they were better to begin with.

good to begin with and should get better over the course of the year just by acclimating to the league. I wouldn't expect much improvement from Okereke, Singletary, Simmons, Slayton, Runyan. They're probably at their peaks. Dex, Thomas and Burns are great players already. Might they get marginally better? Maybe. Robinson and Ojulari have shown flashes, but need to stay healthy and continue to improve. The group you need to see improvment from this year is Gray, Hyatt, Bellinger, Neal, JMS, Riley, Davidson, Thibs, McFadden, Banks, Hawkins, Flott, Belton, as well as a bunch of others guys who weren't memtioned (Ezeudu, Beavers, McKethan, Holmes, etc)

I'd agree with Okerekee, mainly because he was a beast before he got here too. Agreed Slayton is what he is.

Runyan is young and said he's learned a lot already about problems with his technique and thinks he'll be a better player.

Singletary too is likely who he is, but I expect his production will be higher here.

Simmons I disagree the most with a big caveat. If Bowen figures out how to tap his freakishness, he could be a game wrecker. Or at least much more impactful. If Bowen and co can't figure it out, then yeah - nothing to see there.

In comment 16536499 HBart said:

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Simmons I disagree the most with a big caveat. If Bowen figures out how to tap his freakishness, he could be a game wrecker. Or at least much more impactful. If Bowen and co can't figure it out, then yeah - nothing to see there.

I'd be thrilled for Simmons to finally shine. I live in AZ and have watched him since he was drafted. He went through position changes and never found a spot where he was good. And last year Wink was the guy who was supposed to turn him from coal to diamond. At this point, I just think he's a great athlete who isn't much of a football player. But go, Bowen. Zevon Collins is going the same route now.

In comment 16536348 Bill in UT said:

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Bad players, poor picks, poorly coached players do not generally improve, or at least enough to make them good players. This team's drafts over the past 10 years speak pretty well to that.

You're judging the current draftees by what happened 10 years ago? Alighty then, lol.

The first draft class will be in year 3, which many, myself included, believe is a reasonable amount of time to evaluate. They have not lit the world on fire, that is clear, but there have been flashes. The roster is firmly Schoen's at this point. It's still young, that is true, but it it entirely of the current regime. It's time for people to step up. We shall see.

In comment 16536648 UberAlias said:

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In comment 16536348 Bill in UT said: Quote: Bad players, poor picks, poorly coached players do not generally improve, or at least enough to make them good players. This team's drafts over the past 10 years speak pretty well to that. You're judging the current draftees by what happened 10 years ago? Alighty then, lol.

Yeah, 10 years ago and 9 years ago and 2 years ago. How many guys have gotten 2nd contracts here? A team has an identity, and our current identity is lousy drafting, until proven otherwise, which hasn't happened yet, imo.