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ajr2456 : 6/13/2024 5:12 pm
Will start it today since I have time.

Anything Knicks, the league, draft, salary cap, etc asks away
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Bontemps/Marks  
DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 2:01 pm : link

Under the prior CBA, the Knicks could use owner James Dolan's deep resources to keep this group together after making it to the second round of the playoffs for a second straight year. Now, the Knicks have some difficult choices ahead.

If the Knicks re-sign both center Isaiah Hartenstein and forward OG Anunoby and don't cut any salary, they'll be far into the second apron, limiting their ability to make a big swing for a star. As a result, New York could cut salary by trading their other center, Mitchell Robinson, or by moving on from Bojan Bogdanovic's partially guaranteed deal.
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Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 2:46 pm : link
In comment 16541921 Giantfootball025 said:
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As to why we haven’t heard anything on OG yet. Is today a hard deadline for him to opt out?

Yeah at midnight although they can agree to push it back. Not sure there's much to hear at this point. Seems like the direction it's trending is that he'll hit UFA before a deal is worked out
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DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 4:43 pm : link
I really like Tyler Kolek but if he's off the board I've become intrigued with Ajay Mitchell. Might be a nice backup for JB
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nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 4:56 pm : link
In comment 16541940 Strahan91 said:
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As to why we haven’t heard anything on OG yet. Is today a hard deadline for him to opt out?


Yeah at midnight although they can agree to push it back. Not sure there's much to hear at this point. Seems like the direction it's trending is that he'll hit UFA before a deal is worked out


Can they push it back? i thought options couldnt be moved only guarantee dates
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Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 4:58 pm : link
In comment 16542003 nygiants16 said:
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As to why we haven’t heard anything on OG yet. Is today a hard deadline for him to opt out?


Yeah at midnight although they can agree to push it back. Not sure there's much to hear at this point. Seems like the direction it's trending is that he'll hit UFA before a deal is worked out



Can they push it back? i thought options couldnt be moved only guarantee dates


I think that's right
They're  
Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 5:05 pm : link
getting Mitch on the Brunson podcast just as they're about to trade him lol that's brutal.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 6/24/2024 5:27 pm : link
In comment 16540908 Pete44 said:
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well within his right to ask for every last penny and use what leverage he has to get it. Players for the most part are all about other players getting their money over all else. OG played half of a season with the Knicks, I find it implausible that other Knicks would expect him to accept anything less than the most he can get.



Not when Brunson is thinking about sacrificing and taking less


Crazy and unrealistic way to look at it.
Per Fred Katz  
Larry in Pencilvania : 6/24/2024 5:47 pm : link
OG Anunoby has declined his $19.9 million player option for next season, a league source tells The Athletic, an expected move. Anunoby will now officially become an unrestricted free agent this summer. Free agency begins June 30.
RE: Crazy contract for Barnes, IMO  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/24/2024 5:51 pm : link
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Unless they can pay him in Canadian currency.

He's not worth that now but maybe he continues to grow to be worth those $$$?


He's 22 years old. Most times when you pay a player their first real money it's for what you think he can develop into.
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Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 5:53 pm : link
In comment 16542003 nygiants16 said:
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As to why we haven’t heard anything on OG yet. Is today a hard deadline for him to opt out?


Yeah at midnight although they can agree to push it back. Not sure there's much to hear at this point. Seems like the direction it's trending is that he'll hit UFA before a deal is worked out



Can they push it back? i thought options couldnt be moved only guarantee dates

Doesn't matter now since he already opted out, but you can. They did it last year with Hart
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Probably not but what if  
nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 6:16 pm : link
the way they would save salary after a George trade is to let Hartenstein go?

Bring back Precious, and bring a vet big like Drummond for when you face a guy like Embiid
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Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 6:27 pm : link
@NBA_NewYork
"Growing feeling leaguewide Paul George picking up his $48.8m option for next season to force trade's an increasingly realistic scenario…Free agency begins Sunday 6pm…could see this…play out by then…pretty sure Warriors are as interested as Knicks—maybe more"

–– Marc Stein
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nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 6:40 pm : link
In comment 16542040 Strahan91 said:
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@NBA_NewYork
"Growing feeling leaguewide Paul George picking up his $48.8m option for next season to force trade's an increasingly realistic scenario…Free agency begins Sunday 6pm…could see this…play out by then…pretty sure Warriors are as interested as Knicks—maybe more"

–– Marc Stein


That tells me that George is comfortable with the teams interedted in him via trade and that he is confident the Clippers have a deal in place to make sure it happens..

I just dont see hoe the Warriors can pull this off, they are way over the second apron it would rpobably need to be a multi team trade sending out a ton of contracts
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Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 6:47 pm : link
In comment 16542046 nygiants16 said:
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@NBA_NewYork
"Growing feeling leaguewide Paul George picking up his $48.8m option for next season to force trade's an increasingly realistic scenario…Free agency begins Sunday 6pm…could see this…play out by then…pretty sure Warriors are as interested as Knicks—maybe more"

–– Marc Stein



That tells me that George is comfortable with the teams interedted in him via trade and that he is confident the Clippers have a deal in place to make sure it happens..

I just dont see hoe the Warriors can pull this off, they are way over the second apron it would rpobably need to be a multi team trade sending out a ton of contracts

I believe the new second apron rules don't go into effect until 7/1, no? Might be why Windhorst said he thinks this is going to come to a head very soon.
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nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 6:51 pm : link
In comment 16542049 Strahan91 said:
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@NBA_NewYork
"Growing feeling leaguewide Paul George picking up his $48.8m option for next season to force trade's an increasingly realistic scenario…Free agency begins Sunday 6pm…could see this…play out by then…pretty sure Warriors are as interested as Knicks—maybe more"

–– Marc Stein



That tells me that George is comfortable with the teams interedted in him via trade and that he is confident the Clippers have a deal in place to make sure it happens..

I just dont see hoe the Warriors can pull this off, they are way over the second apron it would rpobably need to be a multi team trade sending out a ton of contracts


I believe the new second apron rules don't go into effect until 7/1, no? Might be why Windhorst said he thinks this is going to come to a head very soon.


Maybe lol i dont know hahaha
That would make sense  
nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 6:54 pm : link
and make sense on how the Knicks pull it off
Getting into a bidding war with the Warriors would be so frustrating.  
Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 6:54 pm : link
The Knicks definitely have the better situation but who knows what PG wants. I really hope we can keep Randle out of this.
Also, if/when Klay walks, they'd be under the second apron  
Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 6:55 pm : link
. The bigger issue for GS is what they have to trade. Would they really part with Kuminga or Podziemski? If not, then there won't be much of any value they can give up
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Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 6:57 pm : link
In comment 16542060 Strahan91 said:
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. The bigger issue for GS is what they have to trade. Would they really part with Kuminga or Podziemski? If not, then there won't be much of any value they can give up


They seem pretty committed to going for one last run with Steph. I definitely could see at least one if not both of those guys being included. Moody in the mix as well.
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Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 6:59 pm : link
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. The bigger issue for GS is what they have to trade. Would they really part with Kuminga or Podziemski? If not, then there won't be much of any value they can give up



They seem pretty committed to going for one last run with Steph. I definitely could see at least one if not both of those guys being included. Moody in the mix as well.

I'm ambivalent on Pod but trading Kuminga would be a terrible decision imo. He's still only 21 and getting better. It's not a given that PG outperforms him over the course of the next 3 years
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/24/2024 7:01 pm : link
The Warriors are dumb AF if they think their core can still contend for a title. That window is now closed. Steph is what, 35? He's still amazing, but he's probably nearing the end. Same for Klay & Draymond. Throw in the talent in the West...I don't see it. They seized probably their last drop from that core in '21-'22.
RE: Getting into a bidding war with the Warriors would be so frustrating.  
BigBlueShock : 6/24/2024 7:01 pm : link
In comment 16542058 Jon In NYC said:
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The Knicks definitely have the better situation but who knows what PG wants. I really hope we can keep Randle out of this.

You have a right to be frustrated with that because George’s family is all in Cali and he has said he loves being able to play while having them at all the games. San Fran is a lot closer to LA than NY, lol. The Warriors could be a legit threat here
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Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 7:01 pm : link
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. The bigger issue for GS is what they have to trade. Would they really part with Kuminga or Podziemski? If not, then there won't be much of any value they can give up



They seem pretty committed to going for one last run with Steph. I definitely could see at least one if not both of those guys being included. Moody in the mix as well.


I'm ambivalent on Pod but trading Kuminga would be a terrible decision imo. He's still only 21 and getting better. It's not a given that PG outperforms him over the course of the next 3 years


What about Wiggins, Moody and picks? Even that's probably better than Mitch, Bogie and picks. Which sucks but is probably true.
Warriors were a play in team  
nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 7:03 pm : link
if they trade for George they are really dumb, they arent going to be that much better with George lol, they arent winning the west..

Kuminga is a future stsr and maybe even a future paul george lol
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nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 7:06 pm : link
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. The bigger issue for GS is what they have to trade. Would they really part with Kuminga or Podziemski? If not, then there won't be much of any value they can give up



They seem pretty committed to going for one last run with Steph. I definitely could see at least one if not both of those guys being included. Moody in the mix as well.


I'm ambivalent on Pod but trading Kuminga would be a terrible decision imo. He's still only 21 and getting better. It's not a given that PG outperforms him over the course of the next 3 years



What about Wiggins, Moody and picks? Even that's probably better than Mitch, Bogie and picks. Which sucks but is probably true.


Wiggins is terrible, like really bad and his contract is awful, 3 more years above 26 million a year..

They also only have 2 tradeable 1st round picks
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BigBlueShock : 6/24/2024 7:06 pm : link
In comment 16542066 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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The Warriors are dumb AF if they think their core can still contend for a title. That window is now closed. Steph is what, 35? He's still amazing, but he's probably nearing the end. Same for Klay & Draymond. Throw in the talent in the West...I don't see it. They seized probably their last drop from that core in '21-'22.

They are hanging on for dear life to remain relevant while Steph is still around. They won’t admit it’s over until he’s gone. They have to keep Steph happy or face a trade demand which will send that franchise straight back to irrelevance. They are desperate
BBS.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/24/2024 7:10 pm : link
I agree re. them wanting to remain relevant while Steph is there & I suspect he'll never go elsewhere because of how much he means to that franchise & fan base. I just looked it up...he's 36. & again-while still a top player-I don't see him hanging around until he's 40 or so like LBJ.
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nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 7:11 pm : link
In comment 16542075 BigBlueShock said:
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The Warriors are dumb AF if they think their core can still contend for a title. That window is now closed. Steph is what, 35? He's still amazing, but he's probably nearing the end. Same for Klay & Draymond. Throw in the talent in the West...I don't see it. They seized probably their last drop from that core in '21-'22.


They are hanging on for dear life to remain relevant while Steph is still around. They won’t admit it’s over until he’s gone. They have to keep Steph happy or face a trade demand which will send that franchise straight back to irrelevance. They are desperate


They should trade steph, they could get an absolute haul in picks and players....
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Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 7:11 pm : link
In comment 16542069 Jon In NYC said:
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What about Wiggins, Moody and picks? Even that's probably better than Mitch, Bogie and picks. Which sucks but is probably true.

I'm not so sure about that. I think the Wiggins contract is a negative asset right now and if the Knicks wanted to include them, have many more tradeable 1st round picks.

I'm skeptical that there's a way to make any deal work without Randle, but if there is one it has to include Deuce. Outside of Kuminga and Randle, that would be the best asset either team would put in the deal.
nygiants16.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/24/2024 7:15 pm : link
While I don't disagree trading Steph, I can't see ownership signing off on that. He's too important to that franchise & fan base.
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nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 7:15 pm : link
In comment 16542081 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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While I don't disagree trading Steph, I can't see ownership signing off on that. He's too important to that franchise & fan base.


They wont and i get why, but sometimes you got to take emotion out of it
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BigBlueShock : 6/24/2024 7:16 pm : link
In comment 16542077 nygiants16 said:
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The Warriors are dumb AF if they think their core can still contend for a title. That window is now closed. Steph is what, 35? He's still amazing, but he's probably nearing the end. Same for Klay & Draymond. Throw in the talent in the West...I don't see it. They seized probably their last drop from that core in '21-'22.


They are hanging on for dear life to remain relevant while Steph is still around. They won’t admit it’s over until he’s gone. They have to keep Steph happy or face a trade demand which will send that franchise straight back to irrelevance. They are desperate



They should trade steph, they could get an absolute haul in picks and players....

I agree 100% but I’m guessing ownership would be too petrified of the fan backlash
nygiants16.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/24/2024 7:21 pm : link
I don't disagree re. taking emotion out of it, but I just can't see it happening. If I was Dunleavy, I'd just blow it up & start fresh. But I can't imagine they do that.
RE: Warriors were a play in team  
Mike in NJ : 6/24/2024 7:29 pm : link
In comment 16542071 nygiants16 said:
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if they trade for George they are really dumb, they arent going to be that much better with George lol, they arent winning the west..

Kuminga is a future stsr and maybe even a future paul george lol


The Warriors won 46 games last year, it’s not like they were a bad team. They were also very good the second half of the year after a slow start to the season. Dallas made the finals after a 50 win season, as good as the West is, anything can happen.

I don’t think it’s crazy at all for them to think that they can be in the mix next year by upgrading from Klay to George and getting another year of development from guys like Podziemski, Kuminga or whoever they don’t send out for PG.
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BigBlueShock : 6/24/2024 7:41 pm : link
In comment 16542086 Mike in NJ said:
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if they trade for George they are really dumb, they arent going to be that much better with George lol, they arent winning the west..

Kuminga is a future stsr and maybe even a future paul george lol



The Warriors won 46 games last year, it’s not like they were a bad team. They were also very good the second half of the year after a slow start to the season. Dallas made the finals after a 50 win season, as good as the West is, anything can happen.

I don’t think it’s crazy at all for them to think that they can be in the mix next year by upgrading from Klay to George and getting another year of development from guys like Podziemski, Kuminga or whoever they don’t send out for PG.

36 year old Curry, 34 year old George and 34yearold Green aren’t coming remotely close to coming out of the West. The conference is absolutely loaded with young teams that will continue to get better. No chance. Come on now
Warriors fanbase is loaded  
Mike from SI : 6/24/2024 7:44 pm : link
with absolute bandwagoners who love Steph, I don't see them trading him.
This I guess  
Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 7:47 pm : link
is the real test to see how badly PG wants a title. Go play at home with your fam and hit the play in or go to the 2nd best team in the opposing conference.

Ultimately he still has all the leverage if he wants it by just telling teams he won't extend there.
According to Fischer  
nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 7:48 pm : link
Knicks are trying to combine their picks to move up into the teens..

He also said the Knicks continue to try and tlak to the Nets about Mikal Bridges
RE: According to Fischer  
Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 7:51 pm : link
In comment 16542098 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks are trying to combine their picks to move up into the teens..

He also said the Knicks continue to try and tlak to the Nets about Mikal Bridges


Oh hell yeah maybe there's someone they really like. Devin Carter is as Thibsian as it gets.

I haven't really been attention to the top of the draft but people seem to think Ron Holland will drop and aren't sure why. But he's another wing they may like.
Dillingham  
Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 7:51 pm : link
would also make a ton of sense and he's being mocked in the teens now.
Knicks film school is doing a Cap podcast figureing out how the money  
nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 8:05 pm : link
works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..

Knicks get: George and Deni

Clippers get: Randle and diakite

Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
Going to come down to Knicks  
ajr2456 : 6/24/2024 8:05 pm : link
Finding a third team to take their fillers as the clippers don’t have the roster spots
RE: Knicks film school is doing a Cap podcast figureing out how the money  
Larry in Pencilvania : 6/24/2024 8:11 pm : link
In comment 16542107 nygiants16 said:
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works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..

Knicks get: George and Deni

Clippers get: Randle and diakite

Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards


That beginning just blew my mind. Clippers can't get hard capped so they can pay Harden. Plus Knicks can't get hard capped to the first to pay everyone. This CBA sucks
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nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 8:13 pm : link
In comment 16542110 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..

Knicks get: George and Deni

Clippers get: Randle and diakite

Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards



That beginning just blew my mind. Clippers can't get hard capped so they can pay Harden. Plus Knicks can't get hard capped to the first to pay everyone. This CBA sucks


Yeah its insane how you have to jump through all these hoops to make a deal work, i like to think i am lretty good with knowing the cap but these new rules are crazy
What is the point of trading Randle for PG?  
robbieballs2003 : 6/24/2024 8:13 pm : link
I don't get it.
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nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 8:13 pm : link
In comment 16542108 ajr2456 said:
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Finding a third team to take their fillers as the clippers don’t have the roster spots


Is this where the Mitch talks are coming from?
RE: What is the point of trading Randle for PG?  
nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 8:14 pm : link
In comment 16542113 robbieballs2003 said:
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I don't get it.


Fit, george is a better player, better matchup to beat Boston...

Also are you paying Randle 45 to 50 million next year?
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Stu11 : 6/24/2024 8:15 pm : link
In comment 16542107 nygiants16 said:
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works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..

Knicks get: George and Deni

Clippers get: Randle and diakite

Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards

Hmmm well not drop dead in love with it, but don't hate it. It's a lot to give up. I like Deni's versatility to his game. Sort of like OG lite. Can play small ball 4 and 3. PG/OG/Deni gives you a hell of a lot of versatility. Thing is I love Thibs, but he's pretty rote and set in his ways. He's stubborn at times. Would be interesting to see if embraces the lineup versatility.
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robbieballs2003 : 6/24/2024 8:16 pm : link
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I don't get it.



Fit, george is a better player, better matchup to beat Boston...

Also are you paying Randle 45 to 50 million next year?


George is NEVER healthy, much older, and will be getting paid a ton as well. I am all for moving Randle but it doesn't make sense for PG imo. I also don't agree with the better fit. Randle played great with Brunson last year and everyone knows I am not a big Randle fan.
RE: Knicks film school is doing a Cap podcast figureing out how the money  
Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 8:19 pm : link
In comment 16542107 nygiants16 said:
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works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..

Knicks get: George and Deni

Clippers get: Randle and diakite

Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards

I can’t see Washington trading Deni for that package
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