The executive who suggested the poorest average annual value for Anunoby, $120 million over four years, made sure to point out that what he considered a fair contract was not in line with his prediction for what would play out this summer. Instead, he anticipated Anunoby — who declined a $19.9 million player option Monday, a league source said, and will officially become an unrestricted free agent June 30 — would earn far more.
Why?
“Because he’s got the Knicks by the balls,” the executive said. “They can’t lose him, the same way (Pascal) Siakam’s getting the max from (the) Indiana (Pacers). You can’t trade for somebody, give so much up and then let him go. It’s not feasible.”
that OG has all the leverage and the Knicks can't let him walk....did they really give up so much? RJB was almost a net negative with that contract and Quick is going to demand a large contract himself.
if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
Los Angeles Clippers Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, Julius Randle, Miles McBride, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, No. 38 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL; top-four protected), 2026 first-round pick
New York Knicks Acquire: Paul George
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
Whats with the personal shot? lol
Nkbody said his preference was not to stay with the clippers
says George's preference is to remain with the Clippers on a 4 year deal but they have yet to guarantee 4 years. I think he remains a Clipper
Could be a game of chicken. I will say, reading the LAC reddit it's shockingly nearly unanimous that they are over it and want to move on from him and get something of value in return. They feel that the current team they're locked into has already reached its ceiling
Los Angeles Clippers Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, Julius Randle, Miles McBride, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, No. 38 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL; top-four protected), 2026 first-round pick
New York Knicks Acquire: Paul George
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
I'd make that Wizards deal in a millisecond. I don't believe they would.
if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
There is no need to insult nygiants16, he’s a good poster. You’re the guy that copied and pasted, word for word tweets by Macri and then posted them here as your own and claimed it came from your close “sources” so please spare us all this “I’ve forgotten more about basketball…” bullshit. Anything you post must be taken with an enormous grain of salt
if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
Whats with the personal shot? lol
Nkbody said his preference was not to stay with the clippers
No personal shot, but don't enjoy you telling me that my scenario makes no sense. Honestly, I enjoy your posts and opinions, you are one of the posters that makes me read and interact.
I was trying to stay that whatever posturing PG and the Clippers are doing, they both most likely will end up back together with some sort of extension that aligns with Kawhi's timeline.
I have a feeling the Knicks are working on other things, possibly players we are not thinking of.
I've always said, if they want to take the next step with this current nucleus, they need a 2 way center like a Myles Turner, KP, etc to at least share minutes with either IHart or Robinson. It is why I mentioned Zach Edey right after the season ended.
if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
I don't really think that has any bearing on anything. He'd want to come to the Knicks because they're a contending team on the rise where he fits like a glove and they have the CAA connection in the eastern conference. Not to mention, would presumably be willing to give him the contract he wants
as a Clipper. During those 5 years, he only made one All-NBA team and it was a 3rd team nod that he barely received over a young Tatum. His 3P shooting went from 39.7% in the regular season to 34.0% in the playoffs.
He's also a fairly big excuse maker, which doesn't really play in NY.
He would definitely help the Knicks but paying him all that money for the next 4 years when he wasn't worth that money the previous 4 years is a risky move for a 34 year old.
Los Angeles Clippers Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, Julius Randle, Miles McBride, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, No. 38 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL; top-four protected), 2026 first-round pick
New York Knicks Acquire: Paul George
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
I'd make that Wizards deal in a millisecond. I don't believe they would.
I don't think they'd actually move Deni but 3 firsts is a lot even if they're not the best firsts. I wonder though if they'd be more interested in swapping out the Bucks pick for their own
see 3 firsts being such a huge return when 1 is one of the Knicks 2024 picks (limited value in a bad draft), another being the Knicks 2025 pick (barring injury to Jalen Brunson the Knicks will be picking very late) and the Bucks pick. Deni is 23 years old, he's basically your "2024 pick" AND is on an extremely team friendly contract (4 years 55 million)
see 3 firsts being such a huge return when 1 is one of the Knicks 2024 picks (limited value in a bad draft), another being the Knicks 2025 pick (barring injury to Jalen Brunson the Knicks will be picking very late) and the Bucks pick. Deni is 23 years old, he's basically your "2024 pick" AND is on an extremely team friendly contract (4 years 55 million)
Has there been any noise outside of this thread that Wash is interested in trading Deni or the Knicks are interested. He does not seem like a Thibs players and the Knicks passed on him in the draft to pick Obi Toppin. I'm just curious. I'd say he could potentially play some center, but never for thibs.
He definitely improved last year and could be an emerging player and he is signed for a few more years, so curious Washington's motivation to trade him.
and saying hey i am willing to opt in and be traded, these are the teams i woukd be interested in is him doing a favor to the Clippers, its not him working the zclippers to get his deal...
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
see 3 firsts being such a huge return when 1 is one of the Knicks 2024 picks (limited value in a bad draft), another being the Knicks 2025 pick (barring injury to Jalen Brunson the Knicks will be picking very late) and the Bucks pick. Deni is 23 years old, he's basically your "2024 pick" AND is on an extremely team friendly contract (4 years 55 million)
I don't think it's a bad return is my point. I think for the Wizards, the question is how all these guys fit depending on where they go with 2. If they wind up with Risacher, they'll have him Coulibaly, Kuzma, Deni all 3's/4's. I happen to think Kuzma will be the odd man out but who knows
and saying hey i am willing to opt in and be traded, these are the teams i woukd be interested in is him doing a favor to the Clippers, its not him working the zclippers to get his deal...
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
PG has always wanted LA, he is finally there, so I'm not sure what I believe with all of this and I think it will end with him getting an extension to stay that aligns with Kawhi and Harden will follow.
If PG wanted to leave, he would opt out and sign with Philly. Why would he not want to go there? Embid is the best player in the league when not hurt and Maxey is a great guy and an emerging star. I don't care about the Morey/Harden crap.
and saying hey i am willing to opt in and be traded, these are the teams i woukd be interested in is him doing a favor to the Clippers, its not him working the zclippers to get his deal...
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
PG has always wanted LA, he is finally there, so I'm not sure what I believe with all of this and I think it will end with him getting an extension to stay that aligns with Kawhi and Harden will follow.
If PG wanted to leave, he would opt out and sign with Philly. Why would he not want to go there? Embid is the best player in the league when not hurt and Maxey is a great guy and an emerging star. I don't care about the Morey/Harden crap.
nobody has said he doesnt want to go there
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Putting my tinfoil hat on
Can't sign and trade and aggregate salaries so that's not an option.
Plus on top of all of this the Clippers as ajr said aren't just sitting on empty roster spots.
It's not feasible to not include Randle, keep OG and keep iHart, as much as I'd like to.
Yes you can. Cavs did it with Sexton in the Mitchell trade. It just needs to be a multi-team trade because LAC can't acquire a player via sign and trade
That was the old CBA. It's specifically been prohibited in the new one which goes into effect 7/1
see 3 firsts being such a huge return when 1 is one of the Knicks 2024 picks (limited value in a bad draft), another being the Knicks 2025 pick (barring injury to Jalen Brunson the Knicks will be picking very late) and the Bucks pick. Deni is 23 years old, he's basically your "2024 pick" AND is on an extremely team friendly contract (4 years 55 million)
Has there been any noise outside of this thread that Wash is interested in trading Deni or the Knicks are interested. He does not seem like a Thibs players and the Knicks passed on him in the draft to pick Obi Toppin. I'm just curious. I'd say he could potentially play some center, but never for thibs.
He definitely improved last year and could be an emerging player and he is signed for a few more years, so curious Washington's motivation to trade him.
Trade idea comes from Grant Hughes of the Bleacher Report
"The Trade
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
Deni Avdija should be on every competitive team's list of targets, so the Knicks might have to dig deeper into their cache of draft assets to land him. If it takes throwing in the top-13-protected 2025 first-rounder coming from the Pistons, they should strongly consider it.
Avdija is an up-and-coming two-way threat on the wing. He's capable of defending multiple positions, distributing and, as of last season, hitting threes. His 37.4 percent knockdown clip from beyond the arc raised his ceiling considerably.
In New York, he'd add heft to an otherwise undersized wing rotation and slot in perfectly next to OG Anunoby (player option). Critically, his ability to facilitate would ease the burden on Jalen Brunson and allow the Knicks to move off Julius Randle's contract in a separate deal.
Washington should be intensely focused on collecting as many future first-rounders as possible, even if that means accepting picks with protections. The goal should be accumulating the maximum amount of lottery tickets for the 2025 draft with an eye toward projected top pick Cooper Flagg."
says George's preference is to remain with the Clippers on a 4 year deal but they have yet to guarantee 4 years. I think he remains a Clipper
Could be a game of chicken. I will say, reading the LAC reddit it's shockingly nearly unanimous that they are over it and want to move on from him and get something of value in return. They feel that the current team they're locked into has already reached its ceiling
I agree with this. I did head over there and they're all pretty over him, which is somewhat concerning honestly when it's this unanimous.
as a Clipper. During those 5 years, he only made one All-NBA team and it was a 3rd team nod that he barely received over a young Tatum. His 3P shooting went from 39.7% in the regular season to 34.0% in the playoffs.
He's also a fairly big excuse maker, which doesn't really play in NY.
He would definitely help the Knicks but paying him all that money for the next 4 years when he wasn't worth that money the previous 4 years is a risky move for a 34 year old.
Well the All NBA team misses are tied to the injuries. Last year was his first time playing over 56 games in a season as a Clipper. Which is concerning, but for different reasons than dropoff in ability, which I'm not sure I totally buy.
He just had his best ever season shooting and played 74 games. Main difference is he had a true PG instead of he and Kawhi trading off possessions. Who knows how the health will hold up though. Probably not great
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Putting my tinfoil hat on
Can't sign and trade and aggregate salaries so that's not an option.
Plus on top of all of this the Clippers as ajr said aren't just sitting on empty roster spots.
It's not feasible to not include Randle, keep OG and keep iHart, as much as I'd like to.
Yes you can. Cavs did it with Sexton in the Mitchell trade. It just needs to be a multi-team trade because LAC can't acquire a player via sign and trade
That was the old CBA. It's specifically been prohibited in the new one which goes into effect 7/1
I don't believe that's correct unless you're a second apron team
The Warriors have exhibited no desire to part with Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody, Brandin Podziemski and Trayce Jackson-Davis, per
@MontePooleNBCS
“Getting a veteran impact player almost certainly would require moving Jonathan Kuminga, who projects to have the highest upside of Golden State’s under-25 players.
The Warriors have exhibited no desire to part with Kuminga, and their same intent has been applied to Moses Moody, Brandin Podziemski and Trayce Jackson-Davis.”
like Stein expects PG13 to remain with the Clippers as well
What a fucking letdown. Shame on me for getting my hopes up.
On to the next I guess. Mikal?
Kevin Durant is quietly being shopped as he wants out, but as mentioned last week, the hot rumor within the league is a potential straight up sawa for KAT. However, given the the T-wolves tenuous ownership, other teams could get into the mix.
like Stein expects PG13 to remain with the Clippers as well
The Clippers have stood firm on not offering up the 4 year deal that he wants for some time now. Are they trying to gauge the market to see what they can get in return and if they can't get what they want cave on the 4th year? Have they just been hoping that PG cave and take the deal on the table? Seems like it's still very much up in the air.
Not saying that I would do it from the Knicks perspective but if I'm LAC and I can get Randle for PG, I'd do it. He's a good fit with Kawhi, younger than their geriatric roster and (this past season aside) has been very durable unlike Kawhi and PG
that George wants a 4 year deal and his preference as we all knew was to stay with the Clippers but they are not willing to go to that 4 year max deal..
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
like Stein expects PG13 to remain with the Clippers as well
What a fucking letdown. Shame on me for getting my hopes up.
On to the next I guess. Mikal?
Kevin Durant is quietly being shopped as he wants out, but as mentioned last week, the hot rumor within the league is a potential straight up sawa for KAT. However, given the the T-wolves tenuous ownership, other teams could get into the mix.
Yeah I mean I’d love KD. He’s a tier above George as a scorer and maybe similar baggage? I do trust that he just wants to ball in a way that I’m not as sure of for PG.
that George wants a 4 year deal and his preference as we all knew was to stay with the Clippers but they are not willing to go to that 4 year max deal..
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
I can't get back into the paid portion of his substack but he basically said the feeling is George getting that 4th year and remaining with LAC is the most likely outcome and then goes on to say that an all-star that *is* likely to be traded is Brandon Ingram aka George is not likely to be traded.
The executive who suggested the poorest average annual value for Anunoby, $120 million over four years, made sure to point out that what he considered a fair contract was not in line with his prediction for what would play out this summer. Instead, he anticipated Anunoby — who declined a $19.9 million player option Monday, a league source said, and will officially become an unrestricted free agent June 30 — would earn far more.
Why?
“Because he’s got the Knicks by the balls,” the executive said. “They can’t lose him, the same way (Pascal) Siakam’s getting the max from (the) Indiana (Pacers). You can’t trade for somebody, give so much up and then let him go. It’s not feasible.”
that George wants a 4 year deal and his preference as we all knew was to stay with the Clippers but they are not willing to go to that 4 year max deal..
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
I can't get back into the paid portion of his substack but he basically said the feeling is George getting that 4th year and remaining with LAC is the most likely outcome and then goes on to say that an all-star that *is* likely to be traded is Brandon Ingram aka George is not likely to be traded.
This is what he said:
Among the key elements regarding Paul George's future with the Clippers or elsewhere: League sources say that the 34-year-old continues to seek a new four-year contract.
Returning to the Clippers has long been regarded as George's preferred scenario, but L.A. is believed to this point to be offering a shorter deal along the lines of what it struck with Kawhi Leonard. In January, without warning, it was announced that Leonard had signed a three-year extension with the Clippers in the $150 million range
Can George nudge the Clippers into giving him a four-year deal — longer than Leonard's — by seriously entertaining his departure? That's the ongoing dance this week
The executive who suggested the poorest average annual value for Anunoby, $120 million over four years, made sure to point out that what he considered a fair contract was not in line with his prediction for what would play out this summer. Instead, he anticipated Anunoby — who declined a $19.9 million player option Monday, a league source said, and will officially become an unrestricted free agent June 30 — would earn far more.
Why?
“Because he’s got the Knicks by the balls,” the executive said. “They can’t lose him, the same way (Pascal) Siakam’s getting the max from (the) Indiana (Pacers). You can’t trade for somebody, give so much up and then let him go. It’s not feasible.”
Makes sense
Might be "shocking" language but it's nothing new to us or the Knicks. He has all of the leverage and will be paid accordingly. Will he get max? I somehow doubt it but far closer to that then the 5 for 150-175 type of estimates people were guessing.
and saying hey i am willing to opt in and be traded, these are the teams i woukd be interested in is him doing a favor to the Clippers, its not him working the zclippers to get his deal...
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
PG has always wanted LA, he is finally there, so I'm not sure what I believe with all of this and I think it will end with him getting an extension to stay that aligns with Kawhi and Harden will follow.
If PG wanted to leave, he would opt out and sign with Philly. Why would he not want to go there? Embid is the best player in the league when not hurt and Maxey is a great guy and an emerging star. I don't care about the Morey/Harden crap.
Or Philly and LA don’t want to give him the deal he wants
that George wants a 4 year deal and his preference as we all knew was to stay with the Clippers but they are not willing to go to that 4 year max deal..
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
I can't get back into the paid portion of his substack but he basically said the feeling is George getting that 4th year and remaining with LAC is the most likely outcome and then goes on to say that an all-star that *is* likely to be traded is Brandon Ingram aka George is not likely to be traded.
This is what he said:
Among the key elements regarding Paul George's future with the Clippers or elsewhere: League sources say that the 34-year-old continues to seek a new four-year contract.
Returning to the Clippers has long been regarded as George's preferred scenario, but L.A. is believed to this point to be offering a shorter deal along the lines of what it struck with Kawhi Leonard. In January, without warning, it was announced that Leonard had signed a three-year extension with the Clippers in the $150 million range
Can George nudge the Clippers into giving him a four-year deal — longer than Leonard's — by seriously entertaining his departure? That's the ongoing dance this week
Which means his preference is to remain with the Clippers
is a leverage play by George. Pretty clearly wants to remain in Cali/LA (Palmdale) and using what he can to get that 4th year. Maybe the Clippers really do hold firm but this does not read like a player looking to leave at all.
but Jesus Christ man, you're about to make 150 mil at minimum. If you really want to be in LA just take the money and figure out what you can get in year 4 down the line.
sure how many of these guys were given second workouts but Mogbo getting 2 is interesting. He's been projected round 2 but I've seen him as high as late 1.
is a leverage play by George. Pretty clearly wants to remain in Cali/LA (Palmdale) and using what he can to get that 4th year. Maybe the Clippers really do hold firm but this does not read like a player looking to leave at all.
If george wanted to play the lecerage card he wouodnt agree to opt in
but Jesus Christ man, you're about to make 150 mil at minimum. If you really want to be in LA just take the money and figure out what you can get in year 4 down the line.
The guy grew up in LA, idolized Kobe (but grew up a Clippers fan), played HS ball there, college ball there, has banked over 300 million in his career, has his podcast and all of that stuff and if you believe the reports it's completely about the 4th year not trying to join a better team etc.
sure how many of these guys were given second workouts but Mogbo getting 2 is interesting. He's been projected round 2 but I've seen him as high as late 1.
but Jesus Christ man, you're about to make 150 mil at minimum. If you really want to be in LA just take the money and figure out what you can get in year 4 down the line.
The guy grew up in LA, idolized Kobe (but grew up a Clippers fan), played HS ball there, college ball there, has banked over 300 million in his career, has his podcast and all of that stuff and if you believe the reports it's completely about the 4th year not trying to join a better team etc.
Right like something does not add up. This is why I think there's a reasonable situation here where the entire time he's wanted to join the Knicks to try to win a chip.
Or he's really just fighting for that 4th year as a point of principle. Im not sure but it's a strange situation.
I dont think anyone ever thought he wanted to leave
the clippers, i think this entire time everyone knew that it was about his contract..
But i think people are reading the opt in and trade wrong, thats not leverage thats working together to find a team that will pay him and is a contender..
Now is he willing to opt in no matter what? that is a big question..
I personally dont think he opts in unless a trade is ready to be done, otherwise he opts out and maybe re-signs or signs somehwre else
Why?
“Because he’s got the Knicks by the balls,” the executive said. “They can’t lose him, the same way (Pascal) Siakam’s getting the max from (the) Indiana (Pacers). You can’t trade for somebody, give so much up and then let him go. It’s not feasible.”
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
Exactly, he is just trying to get as much money and years that he can.
Los Angeles Clippers Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, Julius Randle, Miles McBride, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, No. 38 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL; top-four protected), 2026 first-round pick
New York Knicks Acquire: Paul George
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
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if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
Whats with the personal shot? lol
Nkbody said his preference was not to stay with the clippers
Could be a game of chicken. I will say, reading the LAC reddit it's shockingly nearly unanimous that they are over it and want to move on from him and get something of value in return. They feel that the current team they're locked into has already reached its ceiling
Los Angeles Clippers Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, Julius Randle, Miles McBride, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, No. 38 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL; top-four protected), 2026 first-round pick
New York Knicks Acquire: Paul George
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
I'd make that Wizards deal in a millisecond. I don't believe they would.
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if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
There is no need to insult nygiants16, he’s a good poster. You’re the guy that copied and pasted, word for word tweets by Macri and then posted them here as your own and claimed it came from your close “sources” so please spare us all this “I’ve forgotten more about basketball…” bullshit. Anything you post must be taken with an enormous grain of salt
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In comment 16542365 nygiants16 said:
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if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
Whats with the personal shot? lol
Nkbody said his preference was not to stay with the clippers
No personal shot, but don't enjoy you telling me that my scenario makes no sense. Honestly, I enjoy your posts and opinions, you are one of the posters that makes me read and interact.
I was trying to stay that whatever posturing PG and the Clippers are doing, they both most likely will end up back together with some sort of extension that aligns with Kawhi's timeline.
I have a feeling the Knicks are working on other things, possibly players we are not thinking of.
I've always said, if they want to take the next step with this current nucleus, they need a 2 way center like a Myles Turner, KP, etc to at least share minutes with either IHart or Robinson. It is why I mentioned Zach Edey right after the season ended.
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if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
I don't really think that has any bearing on anything. He'd want to come to the Knicks because they're a contending team on the rise where he fits like a glove and they have the CAA connection in the eastern conference. Not to mention, would presumably be willing to give him the contract he wants
But the idea he is threatening to opt in makes zero sense, why would the Clippers care if he opts in?
He's also a fairly big excuse maker, which doesn't really play in NY.
He would definitely help the Knicks but paying him all that money for the next 4 years when he wasn't worth that money the previous 4 years is a risky move for a 34 year old.
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The Trade
Los Angeles Clippers Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, Julius Randle, Miles McBride, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, No. 38 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL; top-four protected), 2026 first-round pick
New York Knicks Acquire: Paul George
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
I'd make that Wizards deal in a millisecond. I don't believe they would.
I don't think they'd actually move Deni but 3 firsts is a lot even if they're not the best firsts. I wonder though if they'd be more interested in swapping out the Bucks pick for their own
Has there been any noise outside of this thread that Wash is interested in trading Deni or the Knicks are interested. He does not seem like a Thibs players and the Knicks passed on him in the draft to pick Obi Toppin. I'm just curious. I'd say he could potentially play some center, but never for thibs.
He definitely improved last year and could be an emerging player and he is signed for a few more years, so curious Washington's motivation to trade him.
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
I don't think it's a bad return is my point. I think for the Wizards, the question is how all these guys fit depending on where they go with 2. If they wind up with Risacher, they'll have him Coulibaly, Kuzma, Deni all 3's/4's. I happen to think Kuzma will be the odd man out but who knows
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
PG has always wanted LA, he is finally there, so I'm not sure what I believe with all of this and I think it will end with him getting an extension to stay that aligns with Kawhi and Harden will follow.
If PG wanted to leave, he would opt out and sign with Philly. Why would he not want to go there? Embid is the best player in the league when not hurt and Maxey is a great guy and an emerging star. I don't care about the Morey/Harden crap.
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and saying hey i am willing to opt in and be traded, these are the teams i woukd be interested in is him doing a favor to the Clippers, its not him working the zclippers to get his deal...
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
PG has always wanted LA, he is finally there, so I'm not sure what I believe with all of this and I think it will end with him getting an extension to stay that aligns with Kawhi and Harden will follow.
If PG wanted to leave, he would opt out and sign with Philly. Why would he not want to go there? Embid is the best player in the league when not hurt and Maxey is a great guy and an emerging star. I don't care about the Morey/Harden crap.
nobody has said he doesnt want to go there
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Can't sign and trade and aggregate salaries so that's not an option.
Plus on top of all of this the Clippers as ajr said aren't just sitting on empty roster spots.
It's not feasible to not include Randle, keep OG and keep iHart, as much as I'd like to.
Yes you can. Cavs did it with Sexton in the Mitchell trade. It just needs to be a multi-team trade because LAC can't acquire a player via sign and trade
That was the old CBA. It's specifically been prohibited in the new one which goes into effect 7/1
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see 3 firsts being such a huge return when 1 is one of the Knicks 2024 picks (limited value in a bad draft), another being the Knicks 2025 pick (barring injury to Jalen Brunson the Knicks will be picking very late) and the Bucks pick. Deni is 23 years old, he's basically your "2024 pick" AND is on an extremely team friendly contract (4 years 55 million)
Has there been any noise outside of this thread that Wash is interested in trading Deni or the Knicks are interested. He does not seem like a Thibs players and the Knicks passed on him in the draft to pick Obi Toppin. I'm just curious. I'd say he could potentially play some center, but never for thibs.
He definitely improved last year and could be an emerging player and he is signed for a few more years, so curious Washington's motivation to trade him.
Trade idea comes from Grant Hughes of the Bleacher Report
"The Trade
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
Deni Avdija should be on every competitive team's list of targets, so the Knicks might have to dig deeper into their cache of draft assets to land him. If it takes throwing in the top-13-protected 2025 first-rounder coming from the Pistons, they should strongly consider it.
Avdija is an up-and-coming two-way threat on the wing. He's capable of defending multiple positions, distributing and, as of last season, hitting threes. His 37.4 percent knockdown clip from beyond the arc raised his ceiling considerably.
In New York, he'd add heft to an otherwise undersized wing rotation and slot in perfectly next to OG Anunoby (player option). Critically, his ability to facilitate would ease the burden on Jalen Brunson and allow the Knicks to move off Julius Randle's contract in a separate deal.
Washington should be intensely focused on collecting as many future first-rounders as possible, even if that means accepting picks with protections. The goal should be accumulating the maximum amount of lottery tickets for the 2025 draft with an eye toward projected top pick Cooper Flagg."
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says George's preference is to remain with the Clippers on a 4 year deal but they have yet to guarantee 4 years. I think he remains a Clipper
Could be a game of chicken. I will say, reading the LAC reddit it's shockingly nearly unanimous that they are over it and want to move on from him and get something of value in return. They feel that the current team they're locked into has already reached its ceiling
I agree with this. I did head over there and they're all pretty over him, which is somewhat concerning honestly when it's this unanimous.
He's also a fairly big excuse maker, which doesn't really play in NY.
He would definitely help the Knicks but paying him all that money for the next 4 years when he wasn't worth that money the previous 4 years is a risky move for a 34 year old.
Well the All NBA team misses are tied to the injuries. Last year was his first time playing over 56 games in a season as a Clipper. Which is concerning, but for different reasons than dropoff in ability, which I'm not sure I totally buy.
He just had his best ever season shooting and played 74 games. Main difference is he had a true PG instead of he and Kawhi trading off possessions. Who knows how the health will hold up though. Probably not great
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Can't sign and trade and aggregate salaries so that's not an option.
Plus on top of all of this the Clippers as ajr said aren't just sitting on empty roster spots.
It's not feasible to not include Randle, keep OG and keep iHart, as much as I'd like to.
Yes you can. Cavs did it with Sexton in the Mitchell trade. It just needs to be a multi-team trade because LAC can't acquire a player via sign and trade
That was the old CBA. It's specifically been prohibited in the new one which goes into effect 7/1
I don't believe that's correct unless you're a second apron team
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“Getting a veteran impact player almost certainly would require moving Jonathan Kuminga, who projects to have the highest upside of Golden State’s under-25 players.
The Warriors have exhibited no desire to part with Kuminga, and their same intent has been applied to Moses Moody, Brandin Podziemski and Trayce Jackson-Davis.”
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What a fucking letdown. Shame on me for getting my hopes up.
On to the next I guess. Mikal?
where did he say this?
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like Stein expects PG13 to remain with the Clippers as well
What a fucking letdown. Shame on me for getting my hopes up.
On to the next I guess. Mikal?
Kevin Durant is quietly being shopped as he wants out, but as mentioned last week, the hot rumor within the league is a potential straight up sawa for KAT. However, given the the T-wolves tenuous ownership, other teams could get into the mix.
The Clippers have stood firm on not offering up the 4 year deal that he wants for some time now. Are they trying to gauge the market to see what they can get in return and if they can't get what they want cave on the 4th year? Have they just been hoping that PG cave and take the deal on the table? Seems like it's still very much up in the air.
Not saying that I would do it from the Knicks perspective but if I'm LAC and I can get Randle for PG, I'd do it. He's a good fit with Kawhi, younger than their geriatric roster and (this past season aside) has been very durable unlike Kawhi and PG
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
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like Stein expects PG13 to remain with the Clippers as well
What a fucking letdown. Shame on me for getting my hopes up.
On to the next I guess. Mikal?
Kevin Durant is quietly being shopped as he wants out, but as mentioned last week, the hot rumor within the league is a potential straight up sawa for KAT. However, given the the T-wolves tenuous ownership, other teams could get into the mix.
Yeah I mean I’d love KD. He’s a tier above George as a scorer and maybe similar baggage? I do trust that he just wants to ball in a way that I’m not as sure of for PG.
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
I can't get back into the paid portion of his substack but he basically said the feeling is George getting that 4th year and remaining with LAC is the most likely outcome and then goes on to say that an all-star that *is* likely to be traded is Brandon Ingram aka George is not likely to be traded.
Why?
“Because he’s got the Knicks by the balls,” the executive said. “They can’t lose him, the same way (Pascal) Siakam’s getting the max from (the) Indiana (Pacers). You can’t trade for somebody, give so much up and then let him go. It’s not feasible.”
Makes sense
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that George wants a 4 year deal and his preference as we all knew was to stay with the Clippers but they are not willing to go to that 4 year max deal..
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
I can't get back into the paid portion of his substack but he basically said the feeling is George getting that 4th year and remaining with LAC is the most likely outcome and then goes on to say that an all-star that *is* likely to be traded is Brandon Ingram aka George is not likely to be traded.
This is what he said:
Among the key elements regarding Paul George's future with the Clippers or elsewhere: League sources say that the 34-year-old continues to seek a new four-year contract.
Returning to the Clippers has long been regarded as George's preferred scenario, but L.A. is believed to this point to be offering a shorter deal along the lines of what it struck with Kawhi Leonard. In January, without warning, it was announced that Leonard had signed a three-year extension with the Clippers in the $150 million range
Can George nudge the Clippers into giving him a four-year deal — longer than Leonard's — by seriously entertaining his departure? That's the ongoing dance this week
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The executive who suggested the poorest average annual value for Anunoby, $120 million over four years, made sure to point out that what he considered a fair contract was not in line with his prediction for what would play out this summer. Instead, he anticipated Anunoby — who declined a $19.9 million player option Monday, a league source said, and will officially become an unrestricted free agent June 30 — would earn far more.
Why?
“Because he’s got the Knicks by the balls,” the executive said. “They can’t lose him, the same way (Pascal) Siakam’s getting the max from (the) Indiana (Pacers). You can’t trade for somebody, give so much up and then let him go. It’s not feasible.”
Makes sense
Might be "shocking" language but it's nothing new to us or the Knicks. He has all of the leverage and will be paid accordingly. Will he get max? I somehow doubt it but far closer to that then the 5 for 150-175 type of estimates people were guessing.
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and saying hey i am willing to opt in and be traded, these are the teams i woukd be interested in is him doing a favor to the Clippers, its not him working the zclippers to get his deal...
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
PG has always wanted LA, he is finally there, so I'm not sure what I believe with all of this and I think it will end with him getting an extension to stay that aligns with Kawhi and Harden will follow.
If PG wanted to leave, he would opt out and sign with Philly. Why would he not want to go there? Embid is the best player in the league when not hurt and Maxey is a great guy and an emerging star. I don't care about the Morey/Harden crap.
Or Philly and LA don’t want to give him the deal he wants
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that George wants a 4 year deal and his preference as we all knew was to stay with the Clippers but they are not willing to go to that 4 year max deal..
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
I can't get back into the paid portion of his substack but he basically said the feeling is George getting that 4th year and remaining with LAC is the most likely outcome and then goes on to say that an all-star that *is* likely to be traded is Brandon Ingram aka George is not likely to be traded.
This is what he said:
Among the key elements regarding Paul George's future with the Clippers or elsewhere: League sources say that the 34-year-old continues to seek a new four-year contract.
Returning to the Clippers has long been regarded as George's preferred scenario, but L.A. is believed to this point to be offering a shorter deal along the lines of what it struck with Kawhi Leonard. In January, without warning, it was announced that Leonard had signed a three-year extension with the Clippers in the $150 million range
Can George nudge the Clippers into giving him a four-year deal — longer than Leonard's — by seriously entertaining his departure? That's the ongoing dance this week
Which means his preference is to remain with the Clippers
If george wanted to play the lecerage card he wouodnt agree to opt in
We know he would like that to be LA but right now doesnt look like that is the case
The guy grew up in LA, idolized Kobe (but grew up a Clippers fan), played HS ball there, college ball there, has banked over 300 million in his career, has his podcast and all of that stuff and if you believe the reports it's completely about the 4th year not trying to join a better team etc.
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but Jesus Christ man, you're about to make 150 mil at minimum. If you really want to be in LA just take the money and figure out what you can get in year 4 down the line.
The guy grew up in LA, idolized Kobe (but grew up a Clippers fan), played HS ball there, college ball there, has banked over 300 million in his career, has his podcast and all of that stuff and if you believe the reports it's completely about the 4th year not trying to join a better team etc.
Right like something does not add up. This is why I think there's a reasonable situation here where the entire time he's wanted to join the Knicks to try to win a chip.
Or he's really just fighting for that 4th year as a point of principle. Im not sure but it's a strange situation.
But i think people are reading the opt in and trade wrong, thats not leverage thats working together to find a team that will pay him and is a contender..
Now is he willing to opt in no matter what? that is a big question..
I personally dont think he opts in unless a trade is ready to be done, otherwise he opts out and maybe re-signs or signs somehwre else