All defense, no offense. Like 99th percentile defense, but 1 percentile offense Would you take someone like that in the first round and put him in the rotation?
Of course Jeffries’ defense was always more team than point of attack and Dunn is elite on both ends, while being way more athletic than Jeffries ever was. But when you have someone so inept on offense, it does give you pause.
and I saw may be moved is Dani Avdija. Still only 23, 15-7-4 on really good percentages. Tough, decent enough defender. Wizards still have Kuzma and now Coulibaly so may not be room for all 3? Locked into a really reasonable contract too.
with Murray -- and the reason he's gettable -- is you really need 3 things to happen:
1. He doesn't completely lose his head as he has on occasion
2. The shooting needs to hold up
3. He needs to re-discover his defense. Maybe as a true third option fully bought in that happens but it's a risky proposition.
with Murray -- and the reason he's gettable -- is you really need 3 things to happen:
1. He doesn't completely lose his head as he has on occasion
2. The shooting needs to hold up
3. He needs to re-discover his defense. Maybe as a true third option fully bought in that happens but it's a risky proposition.
I think there is a good enough culture and leadership for him to buy in and with his defense i think on a winning team it will go back to what it was..
but they could also be me being optimistic, i also thought Reddish would buy in when he was starting..
I think if you can get him for Bojan and picks it would be an absolute steal..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
He was absolutely atrocious. It's only surprising because of the monster deal he got in the first place.
I also can't believe they let him bring on an assistant last week
I think if you can get him for Bojan and picks it would be an absolute steal..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
I can agree with everything you said except how does Murray and Brunson work, Brunson was as ball dominant as he was becausrle Randle went out...Brunson is a suoerb off the ball player, he was lighting it up from 3 when he could play off Randle and without randle he started to struggle from 3..
Murray also can play with the 2nd unit and give them a ball handler who can run the offense, Knicks even with Randle really struggled with Brunson off
RE: RE: RE: I think I am back on the Dejounte Murray bandwagon
I think if you can get him for Bojan and picks it would be an absolute steal..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
I can agree with everything you said except how does Murray and Brunson work, Brunson was as ball dominant as he was becausrle Randle went out...Brunson is a suoerb off the ball player, he was lighting it up from 3 when he could play off Randle and without randle he started to struggle from 3..
Murray also can play with the 2nd unit and give them a ball handler who can run the offense, Knicks even with Randle really struggled with Brunson off
Yeah I think if you can get Murray to buy into a role where he's basically 3 and D on offense but really re-discovers his defensive dominance and runs the entire second unit, there's something there.
They need someone to defend the opponents best guard and let OG take the best wing. Murray could fit. Bridges and Caruso also fit. I think trading Bogie + picks for one of those 3 is the way to go assuming Booker or KD don't shake free.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think I am back on the Dejounte Murray bandwagon
I think if you can get him for Bojan and picks it would be an absolute steal..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
I can agree with everything you said except how does Murray and Brunson work, Brunson was as ball dominant as he was becausrle Randle went out...Brunson is a suoerb off the ball player, he was lighting it up from 3 when he could play off Randle and without randle he started to struggle from 3..
Murray also can play with the 2nd unit and give them a ball handler who can run the offense, Knicks even with Randle really struggled with Brunson off
Yeah I think if you can get Murray to buy into a role where he's basically 3 and D on offense but really re-discovers his defensive dominance and runs the entire second unit, there's something there.
They need someone to defend the opponents best guard and let OG take the best wing. Murray could fit. Bridges and Caruso also fit. I think trading Bogie + picks for one of those 3 is the way to go assuming Booker or KD don't shake free.
Murray isn't a defensive stopper. His defense has fallen off a cliff in recent years. Just one of a few reasons why it hasn't worked out at all in Atlanta
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think I am back on the Dejounte Murray bandwagon
Murray isn't a defensive stopper. His defense has fallen off a cliff in recent years. Just one of a few reasons why it hasn't worked out at all in Atlanta
Definitely. The question is was that a Hawks issue or a Murray issue?
The Knicks need Donte on the court because of his elite three-point shooting. Murray is a ball dominant guard who doesn't fit well with Trae Young...he wouldn't fit well with Jalen Brunson either. If the Knicks make a big move this summer, it's to replace Randle with an All-Star caliber wing like Paul George or Brandon Ingram. A big-time wing scorer is more valuable than an inefficient guard like Murray.
I don't see why we need to take a chance on a player like Murray.
won't trade Bridges. They're going absolutely nowhere. They need to blow it up.
I think he's better than what he showed last year. Who is going to produce when your PG is a combo of Dinwiddie and Schroeder and you have Cam Thomas chucking?
Who says no to this trade:
NYK Gets Bridges
BKN Gets Murray, 2025 NYK first, Detroit Protected first
ATL Gets Bojan, #24, 2025 MIL 1st, Washington Projected first
5 firsts seems like a lot to trade but none of them individually are that great.
Then draft Ryan Dunn at 25 and Ajay Mitchell at 38. Would be a nasty team.
There is a rumor going around/AJ can confirm or say its false
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
Has to be one of the worst hires in sports history. Highest paid coach in the league combined with historical losing and zero development. What a colossal waste of money.
RE: There is a rumor going around/AJ can confirm or say its false
it seems like the origins of this rumor are all just because Mitch has "New Orleans" in his twitter bio..because he's from there.
This feels flimsy at best.
It's 100% based on that fact (and that's not a recent change) and the blogger who mentioned it has frequently thrown out trade "rumors" nobody else has. Seems like absolute BS to me.
guess no harm in asking but Houston was never doing this lol
Rumors are swirling about the Pelicans offering Brandon Ingram in a trade to Houston for Alperen Sengün, but Houston showed no interest, per @KellyIko
New Orleans also contacted Philadelphia to discuss a trade involving Ingram.
“Rumors have swirled about the Pelicans dangling Ingram in trade talks and in one iteration, a hypothetical Ingram-for-Alperen Şengün swap was mentioned, but the Rockets have no interest, team sources said. League sources said New Orleans also contacted the Philadelphia 76ers concerning a possible Ingram trade.”
RE: RE: RE: There is a rumor going around/AJ can confirm or say its false
Knicks and Pelicans are talking trade involving Mitch
This was a hypothetical trade from ESPN on "trades we'd like to see". Fwiw, the return was very light -- Kennard and a 1st
Nvm, disregard I just realized you said Pelicans. The ESPN article was Memphis
Kennard is actually a pretty useful player, but I'm not sure for this team specifically. He's not an upgrade over Divincenzo and he's not the guy to run the second unit.
The picks are interesting and if they could swap Kennard for Caruso or someone like that I'd definitely be interested.
guess no harm in asking but Houston was never doing this lol
Rumors are swirling about the Pelicans offering Brandon Ingram in a trade to Houston for Alperen Sengün, but Houston showed no interest, per @KellyIko
New Orleans also contacted Philadelphia to discuss a trade involving Ingram.
“Rumors have swirled about the Pelicans dangling Ingram in trade talks and in one iteration, a hypothetical Ingram-for-Alperen Şengün swap was mentioned, but the Rockets have no interest, team sources said. League sources said New Orleans also contacted the Philadelphia 76ers concerning a possible Ingram trade.”
Yea no thanks. Ingram is a fine scorer but Sengun is a stud. I think Sengun will end up better than Sabonis.
Brian Windhorst says to monitor Paul George’s situation in LA
"[The Clippers] could sign Paul George this afternoon, but the fact that they are not seemingly reacting to what his market clearly is, is something to pay attention to."👀
guess no harm in asking but Houston was never doing this lol
Rumors are swirling about the Pelicans offering Brandon Ingram in a trade to Houston for Alperen Sengün, but Houston showed no interest, per @KellyIko
New Orleans also contacted Philadelphia to discuss a trade involving Ingram.
“Rumors have swirled about the Pelicans dangling Ingram in trade talks and in one iteration, a hypothetical Ingram-for-Alperen Şengün swap was mentioned, but the Rockets have no interest, team sources said. League sources said New Orleans also contacted the Philadelphia 76ers concerning a possible Ingram trade.”
Yea no thanks. Ingram is a fine scorer but Sengun is a stud. I think Sengun will end up better than Sabonis.
Really doubt it was a long conversation. Like I said, no harm in asking but yeah lol
Brian Windhorst says to monitor Paul George’s situation in LA
"[The Clippers] could sign Paul George this afternoon, but the fact that they are not seemingly reacting to what his market clearly is, is something to pay attention to."👀
Are we 100% sure this is all because the Clippers are low balling him? I wonder if there's a little bit of want on PG's end to leave. He just said yesterday:
“It’s not even about ‘chasing a championship’ but it’s playing the right style of basketball is what I’m chasing.”
Whatever that means. I can't imagine that the right style of basketball is what they're offering in Philly either.
how Kawhi/George have been together for 5 years in LA now with only 1 WCF appearance to show for it. And Kawhi didn't even play in that WCF, so as a duo it doesn't even count lol.
Kawhi is going to go down as one of the most interesting historical players ever. Dominant player at his best, but always hurt.
I still can't see George leave him, although he really would look good next to Embiid/Maxey in Philly.
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(liked him for the Knicks)
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thank you
Of course Jeffries’ defense was always more team than point of attack and Dunn is elite on both ends, while being way more athletic than Jeffries ever was. But when you have someone so inept on offense, it does give you pause.
So IDK. IDK how I feel about taking Dunn.
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How so? He has not officially opted out so the Knicks can discuss an extension no? How could there be a tampering issue?
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Smoke screen to avoid tampering
How so? He has not officially opted out so the Knicks can discuss an extension no? How could there be a tampering issue?
So it doesn’t look like there was a handshake deal before yesterday
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Smoke screen to avoid tampering
How so? He has not officially opted out so the Knicks can discuss an extension no? How could there be a tampering issue?
The report was from monday morning
Also mentioned that early seconds (Knicks have 38) are becoming more valuable due to the cap flexibility they offer.
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
1. He doesn't completely lose his head as he has on occasion
2. The shooting needs to hold up
3. He needs to re-discover his defense. Maybe as a true third option fully bought in that happens but it's a risky proposition.
1. He doesn't completely lose his head as he has on occasion
2. The shooting needs to hold up
3. He needs to re-discover his defense. Maybe as a true third option fully bought in that happens but it's a risky proposition.
I think there is a good enough culture and leadership for him to buy in and with his defense i think on a winning team it will go back to what it was..
but they could also be me being optimistic, i also thought Reddish would buy in when he was starting..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
He was absolutely atrocious. It's only surprising because of the monster deal he got in the first place.
I also can't believe they let him bring on an assistant last week
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Duren
Ivey
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Grimes (lol not even joking)
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I think if you can get him for Bojan and picks it would be an absolute steal..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
I can agree with everything you said except how does Murray and Brunson work, Brunson was as ball dominant as he was becausrle Randle went out...Brunson is a suoerb off the ball player, he was lighting it up from 3 when he could play off Randle and without randle he started to struggle from 3..
Murray also can play with the 2nd unit and give them a ball handler who can run the offense, Knicks even with Randle really struggled with Brunson off
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I think if you can get him for Bojan and picks it would be an absolute steal..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
I can agree with everything you said except how does Murray and Brunson work, Brunson was as ball dominant as he was becausrle Randle went out...Brunson is a suoerb off the ball player, he was lighting it up from 3 when he could play off Randle and without randle he started to struggle from 3..
Murray also can play with the 2nd unit and give them a ball handler who can run the offense, Knicks even with Randle really struggled with Brunson off
Yeah I think if you can get Murray to buy into a role where he's basically 3 and D on offense but really re-discovers his defensive dominance and runs the entire second unit, there's something there.
They need someone to defend the opponents best guard and let OG take the best wing. Murray could fit. Bridges and Caruso also fit. I think trading Bogie + picks for one of those 3 is the way to go assuming Booker or KD don't shake free.
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I think if you can get him for Bojan and picks it would be an absolute steal..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
I can agree with everything you said except how does Murray and Brunson work, Brunson was as ball dominant as he was becausrle Randle went out...Brunson is a suoerb off the ball player, he was lighting it up from 3 when he could play off Randle and without randle he started to struggle from 3..
Murray also can play with the 2nd unit and give them a ball handler who can run the offense, Knicks even with Randle really struggled with Brunson off
Yeah I think if you can get Murray to buy into a role where he's basically 3 and D on offense but really re-discovers his defensive dominance and runs the entire second unit, there's something there.
They need someone to defend the opponents best guard and let OG take the best wing. Murray could fit. Bridges and Caruso also fit. I think trading Bogie + picks for one of those 3 is the way to go assuming Booker or KD don't shake free.
Murray isn't a defensive stopper. His defense has fallen off a cliff in recent years. Just one of a few reasons why it hasn't worked out at all in Atlanta
Murray isn't a defensive stopper. His defense has fallen off a cliff in recent years. Just one of a few reasons why it hasn't worked out at all in Atlanta
Definitely. The question is was that a Hawks issue or a Murray issue?
I think he's better than what he showed last year. Who is going to produce when your PG is a combo of Dinwiddie and Schroeder and you have Cam Thomas chucking?
Who says no to this trade:
NYK Gets Bridges
BKN Gets Murray, 2025 NYK first, Detroit Protected first
ATL Gets Bojan, #24, 2025 MIL 1st, Washington Projected first
5 firsts seems like a lot to trade but none of them individually are that great.
Then draft Ryan Dunn at 25 and Ajay Mitchell at 38. Would be a nasty team.
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
Has to be one of the worst hires in sports history. Highest paid coach in the league combined with historical losing and zero development. What a colossal waste of money.
Give me back Trey Murphy and we're all set
YES!
And then draft Ryan Dunn and I'll be in heaven
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Give me back Trey Murphy and we're all set
YES!
And then draft Ryan Dunn and I'll be in heaven
Honestly I'd love that too. Deuce-Trey-OG-Dunn-iHart all clamp lineup. Maybe throw Diakite in there for the hell of it.
This feels flimsy at best.
This feels flimsy at best.
oh ok thank you
This was a hypothetical trade from ESPN on "trades we'd like to see". Fwiw, the return was very light -- Kennard and a 1st
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Knicks and Pelicans are talking trade involving Mitch
This was a hypothetical trade from ESPN on "trades we'd like to see". Fwiw, the return was very light -- Kennard and a 1st
Nvm, disregard I just realized you said Pelicans. The ESPN article was Memphis
This feels flimsy at best.
It's 100% based on that fact (and that's not a recent change) and the blogger who mentioned it has frequently thrown out trade "rumors" nobody else has. Seems like absolute BS to me.
Rumors are swirling about the Pelicans offering Brandon Ingram in a trade to Houston for Alperen Sengün, but Houston showed no interest, per @KellyIko
New Orleans also contacted Philadelphia to discuss a trade involving Ingram.
“Rumors have swirled about the Pelicans dangling Ingram in trade talks and in one iteration, a hypothetical Ingram-for-Alperen Şengün swap was mentioned, but the Rockets have no interest, team sources said. League sources said New Orleans also contacted the Philadelphia 76ers concerning a possible Ingram trade.”
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Knicks and Pelicans are talking trade involving Mitch
This was a hypothetical trade from ESPN on "trades we'd like to see". Fwiw, the return was very light -- Kennard and a 1st
Nvm, disregard I just realized you said Pelicans. The ESPN article was Memphis
Kennard is actually a pretty useful player, but I'm not sure for this team specifically. He's not an upgrade over Divincenzo and he's not the guy to run the second unit.
The picks are interesting and if they could swap Kennard for Caruso or someone like that I'd definitely be interested.
Rumors are swirling about the Pelicans offering Brandon Ingram in a trade to Houston for Alperen Sengün, but Houston showed no interest, per @KellyIko
New Orleans also contacted Philadelphia to discuss a trade involving Ingram.
“Rumors have swirled about the Pelicans dangling Ingram in trade talks and in one iteration, a hypothetical Ingram-for-Alperen Şengün swap was mentioned, but the Rockets have no interest, team sources said. League sources said New Orleans also contacted the Philadelphia 76ers concerning a possible Ingram trade.”
Yea no thanks. Ingram is a fine scorer but Sengun is a stud. I think Sengun will end up better than Sabonis.
"[The Clippers] could sign Paul George this afternoon, but the fact that they are not seemingly reacting to what his market clearly is, is something to pay attention to."👀
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guess no harm in asking but Houston was never doing this lol
Rumors are swirling about the Pelicans offering Brandon Ingram in a trade to Houston for Alperen Sengün, but Houston showed no interest, per @KellyIko
New Orleans also contacted Philadelphia to discuss a trade involving Ingram.
“Rumors have swirled about the Pelicans dangling Ingram in trade talks and in one iteration, a hypothetical Ingram-for-Alperen Şengün swap was mentioned, but the Rockets have no interest, team sources said. League sources said New Orleans also contacted the Philadelphia 76ers concerning a possible Ingram trade.”
Yea no thanks. Ingram is a fine scorer but Sengun is a stud. I think Sengun will end up better than Sabonis.
Really doubt it was a long conversation. Like I said, no harm in asking but yeah lol
"[The Clippers] could sign Paul George this afternoon, but the fact that they are not seemingly reacting to what his market clearly is, is something to pay attention to."👀
Are we 100% sure this is all because the Clippers are low balling him? I wonder if there's a little bit of want on PG's end to leave. He just said yesterday:
“It’s not even about ‘chasing a championship’ but it’s playing the right style of basketball is what I’m chasing.”
Whatever that means. I can't imagine that the right style of basketball is what they're offering in Philly either.
Kawhi is going to go down as one of the most interesting historical players ever. Dominant player at his best, but always hurt.
I still can't see George leave him, although he really would look good next to Embiid/Maxey in Philly.
We know where elsewhere is
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The Sixers are bowing out of the Paul George sweepstakes before free agency begins, per @ShamsCharania
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If Philadelphia is this confident in another plan, they must have assurances elsewhere. Stay tuned.
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(liked him for the Knicks)
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For the Sixers yes. Knicks not so much