5 years ago...when we first heard rumblings
Not anymore
He's not the dominant player he was 5 years ago but even at 34 he's the exact type of player a team competing for a championship needs. If the Knicks get him without giving up Randle or other core guys (i.e. Robinson, Bogey and a some first rounders), it would be an absolute steal. We would instantly become a top contender next year if we resign Hart and OG.
Does anyone know if PG opts in and gets traded, how long
well within his right to ask for every last penny and use what leverage he has to get it. Players for the most part are all about other players getting their money over all else. OG played half of a season with the Knicks, I find it implausible that other Knicks would expect him to accept anything less than the most he can get.
well within his right to ask for every last penny and use what leverage he has to get it. Players for the most part are all about other players getting their money over all else. OG played half of a season with the Knicks, I find it implausible that other Knicks would expect him to accept anything less than the most he can get.
Not when Brunson is thinking about sacrificing and taking less
Sign me up. Honestly I'd be in no rush to give him an extension. Let him opt in and we could take it from there. In this restrictive apron environment I don't know with his age if the 4 year mega deal is out there and that may be why we're hearing rumors that he'll go the opt-in and trade route as opposed to signing a FA deal.
makes you wonder if they are close and thats why Philly backed out
In all seriousness, when I saw that report I assumed that LAC has the parameters of a deal worked out with another team already. Could also be 2-3 teams who can give LAC packages they prefer to whatever Philly can/will put together. Then of course there's the possibility that Philly leaked that to gain leverage in negotiations. There's a few possibilities here
I wouldn’t give up much in the way of draft capital. Certainly not if Randle is in the deal. Mitch, Bojan and a protected 1st or two is good value for LAC who risks losing him for nothing.
Possibly related, possibly not but based on who they’ve worked out, it doesn’t seem like they’re planning to use both 1sts unless there are more workouts this week with potential 1st round guys.
Sign me up. Honestly I'd be in no rush to give him an extension. Let him opt in and we could take it from there. In this restrictive apron environment I don't know with his age if the 4 year mega deal is out there and that may be why we're hearing rumors that he'll go the opt-in and trade route as opposed to signing a FA deal.
PGs opt in is 48.8 mil. I believe if they take back more than they send out then they are hard capped.
Was watching/listening to the Lowe Post and he had Bobby Marks on. Sounds like the only way to do a trade with the Clippers is exact dollar match. That could only happen with Randle. It's confusing as all he'll but sounds like the only way is a sign and trade. We gotta get this right, whoever they get
RE: RE: I wouldn’t like George if it meant losing Randle
Was watching/listening to the Lowe Post and he had Bobby Marks on. Sounds like the only way to do a trade with the Clippers is exact dollar match. That could only happen with Randle. It's confusing as all he'll but sounds like the only way is a sign and trade. We gotta get this right, whoever they get
I don’t think that’s true?
Knicks aren’t even a luxury tax team technically so they can take back more money than they send out. I agree I’m not trading Randle but I would trade Mitch Bogie and Deuce which I believe should be enough to make the cap work.
RE: RE: I wouldn’t like George if it meant losing Randle
Was watching/listening to the Lowe Post and he had Bobby Marks on. Sounds like the only way to do a trade with the Clippers is exact dollar match. That could only happen with Randle. It's confusing as all he'll but sounds like the only way is a sign and trade. We gotta get this right, whoever they get
Clippers cant take on more than George's salary, if they wrre trying to trade eith another apron team they would have to match 100% but the Knicks are not an apron team so the Knicks can take on a little bit more..
Clippers can not sign and trade him so thats why it would be an opt in and trade
George is going to want a deal in place before he opts in, kind of like Porzingis last year..
100%. Otherwise he’d take the deal LAC already offered him (he still might). Thats one reason I’m not sure the Knicks would wind up pulling the trigger. You’ll have to pay him til he’s 38.
I am wondering if the pendulum has swung a bit too much
Maybe he's not a top 10 guy anymore but he just played 75 games, had career highs in FG%, 3PT% and shot 91% from the FT line. Lost to the eventual West Champs in 6 without Kawhi.
He's the oldest guy on this list by 7 years, which is obviously important context, but not only is he right there with the best shooting guards in the league, he both shot the most efficiently and is the best defender out of this group (Mikal is up there too on defense)
if the Knicks get him he isnt coming here to be their 1a maybe not even the 1b, yes he is going to be paid a lot but his role on the team is what he is perfect for and if you can keep Randle you become the best team in the NBA next to the celtics
I’m going to find those old starting lineup graphics from the Phil Jackson era with Lou Amundson and Alexey Shved and compare it to Brunson-PG-OG-Randle-Hartenstein, and have myself a good cry.
I did have this thought specifically for the Celtics. Randle has usually done pretty well against KP back when teams were still shoehorning him in as a 4.
Basically as strong a matchup as you can have defensively for Brown and Tatum.
Leverage? In order for LA to play ball with an opt in and trade they have to think there’s a possibility they could lose him outright. Is it really believable he would ball for the Pistons or Jazz? Maybe the he feigns some interest in San Antonio or Orlando?
RE: With Philly supposedly bowing out, who is the team PG would use for
Leverage? In order for LA to play ball with an opt in and trade they have to think there’s a possibility they could lose him outright. Is it really believable he would ball for the Pistons or Jazz? Maybe the he feigns some interest in San Antonio or Orlando?
Its probably Orlando or it has just come to a point that they arent going to sign him to the deal he wants and they want to get something back that is useful for them
At least according to Seth Partniw at The Athletic. For several years he has group ranked the top 125 players in the NBA. That is: he doesn’t rank them 1-125, but groups them into 5 tiers (1-5), as well as sub tiers (A, B and C). Higher tiers contain fewer players - only 6 players grouped in tier 1.
Anyway he has 7 Knicks in his ranking, more than any other team. Knicks listed:
At least according to Seth Partniw at The Athletic. For several years he has group ranked the top 125 players in the NBA. That is: he doesn’t rank them 1-125, but groups them into 5 tiers (1-5), as well as sub tiers (A, B and C). Higher tiers contain fewer players - only 6 players grouped in tier 1.
Anyway he has 7 Knicks in his ranking, more than any other team. Knicks listed:
Here’s a (paywalled) link:
NBA Player Tiers - ( New Window )
I was prepared to be more upset at the Randle tier than I am. It's the same tier as Sabonis, Bane, KAT, Scottie Barnes are on. If anything it's probably too generous for Hart.
In fact I'd say it's also interesting that OG is the tier above that group.
It's pretty wild that PG could be on the cards for what amounts to our 8th (Bogie) and 9th (Mitch) best players
Shams reported that the Sixers interest in Paul George has waned and are moving on and being agressive with their cap space and drsft capital leading up to the drsft
Not anymore
He's not the dominant player he was 5 years ago but even at 34 he's the exact type of player a team competing for a championship needs. If the Knicks get him without giving up Randle or other core guys (i.e. Robinson, Bogey and a some first rounders), it would be an absolute steal. We would instantly become a top contender next year if we resign Hart and OG.
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Just won a title without a real 2 or 4 in the starting lineup.
What are you hearing on OG? I’m hearing he is playing hardball that could cause some friction in the locker room.
Friction in the locker room>? Oh brother...I aint buyin that at all, with all due respect.
Not when Brunson is thinking about sacrificing and taking less
In all seriousness, when I saw that report I assumed that LAC has the parameters of a deal worked out with another team already. Could also be 2-3 teams who can give LAC packages they prefer to whatever Philly can/will put together. Then of course there's the possibility that Philly leaked that to gain leverage in negotiations. There's a few possibilities here
They can’t trade Randle can they? If they can make the money work without him I think there should still be a path.
I wouldn’t give up much in the way of draft capital. Certainly not if Randle is in the deal. Mitch, Bojan and a protected 1st or two is good value for LAC who risks losing him for nothing.
Possibly related, possibly not but based on who they’ve worked out, it doesn’t seem like they’re planning to use both 1sts unless there are more workouts this week with potential 1st round guys.
They can’t trade Randle can they? If they can make the money work without him I think there should still be a path.
Thats exactly how i read it to haha
good news
Jalen Brunson, Josh Hart, Isiah Hartenstein, Julius Randle.
That's basically the entire starting lineup.
Jalen Brunson, Josh Hart, Isiah Hartenstein, Julius Randle.
That's basically the entire starting lineup.
Sam Rose?
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guys who share an agent with Paul George:
Jalen Brunson, Josh Hart, Isiah Hartenstein, Julius Randle.
That's basically the entire starting lineup.
Sam Rose?
Aaron Mintz CAA
Pouring my tin foil cap back on. Wonder if the Jake Fischer report on OG is now unhappy is coming from Philly execs. Lots of chess going on.
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makes you wonder if they are close and thats why Philly backed out
Pouring my tin foil cap back on. Wonder if the Jake Fischer report on OG is now unhappy is coming from Philly execs. Lots of chess going on.
I don't think that's tinfoil cap at all. Fischer is a known Philly guy.
PGs opt in is 48.8 mil. I believe if they take back more than they send out then they are hard capped.
The only big you got to worry about is Embiid and in the playoffs OG locked Embiid down in game 4..
You are more versatile with another bjg wing and when you face boston you can match Brown and Tatum
Was watching/listening to the Lowe Post and he had Bobby Marks on. Sounds like the only way to do a trade with the Clippers is exact dollar match. That could only happen with Randle. It's confusing as all he'll but sounds like the only way is a sign and trade. We gotta get this right, whoever they get
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Was watching/listening to the Lowe Post and he had Bobby Marks on. Sounds like the only way to do a trade with the Clippers is exact dollar match. That could only happen with Randle. It's confusing as all he'll but sounds like the only way is a sign and trade. We gotta get this right, whoever they get
I don’t think that’s true?
Knicks aren’t even a luxury tax team technically so they can take back more money than they send out. I agree I’m not trading Randle but I would trade Mitch Bogie and Deuce which I believe should be enough to make the cap work.
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Was watching/listening to the Lowe Post and he had Bobby Marks on. Sounds like the only way to do a trade with the Clippers is exact dollar match. That could only happen with Randle. It's confusing as all he'll but sounds like the only way is a sign and trade. We gotta get this right, whoever they get
Clippers cant take on more than George's salary, if they wrre trying to trade eith another apron team they would have to match 100% but the Knicks are not an apron team so the Knicks can take on a little bit more..
Clippers can not sign and trade him so thats why it would be an opt in and trade
100%. Otherwise he’d take the deal LAC already offered him (he still might). Thats one reason I’m not sure the Knicks would wind up pulling the trigger. You’ll have to pay him til he’s 38.
Maybe he's not a top 10 guy anymore but he just played 75 games, had career highs in FG%, 3PT% and shot 91% from the FT line. Lost to the eventual West Champs in 6 without Kawhi.
He's the oldest guy on this list by 7 years, which is obviously important context, but not only is he right there with the best shooting guards in the league, he both shot the most efficiently and is the best defender out of this group (Mikal is up there too on defense)
I did have this thought specifically for the Celtics. Randle has usually done pretty well against KP back when teams were still shoehorning him in as a 4.
Basically as strong a matchup as you can have defensively for Brown and Tatum.
Also if you wait til after the drsft to consumate and one of the picks is 24 or 25 that 2 million would also count into the money
Its probably Orlando or it has just come to a point that they arent going to sign him to the deal he wants and they want to get something back that is useful for them
Anyway he has 7 Knicks in his ranking, more than any other team. Knicks listed:
Brunson - Tier 2B
Anunoby - 3C
Randle - 4A
Hart - 4A
DiVincenzo - 4C
Hartenstein - 4C
Bogdanović - 5A
Here’s a (paywalled) link:
NBA Player Tiers - ( New Window )
Anyway he has 7 Knicks in his ranking, more than any other team. Knicks listed:
Brunson - Tier 2B
Anunoby - 3C
Randle - 4A
Hart - 4A
DiVincenzo - 4C
Hartenstein - 4C
Bogdanović - 5A
Here’s a (paywalled) link:
NBA Player Tiers - ( New Window )
I was prepared to be more upset at the Randle tier than I am. It's the same tier as Sabonis, Bane, KAT, Scottie Barnes are on. If anything it's probably too generous for Hart.
In fact I'd say it's also interesting that OG is the tier above that group.
It's pretty wild that PG could be on the cards for what amounts to our 8th (Bogie) and 9th (Mitch) best players
So ridiculous. Such small minded, petty people these rich fuckers are, lol. Pass.
Shams reported that the Sixers interest in Paul George has waned and are moving on and being agressive with their cap space and drsft capital leading up to the drsft
PG is obviously the better player and an all star/all nba player..
Mikal is younger and has the upside and fits like a glove with the culture and obviously younger