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ajr2456 : 6/13/2024 5:12 pm
Will start it today since I have time.

Anything Knicks, the league, draft, salary cap, etc asks away
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I think  
Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 8:53 am : link
a PG deal or any deal will have to happen before OG signs or else the Knicks will become a first apron team which restricts the amount of money they can take back relative to what they send out more prohibitively.
RE: I think  
nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 8:57 am : link
In comment 16541739 Jon In NYC said:
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a PG deal or any deal will have to happen before OG signs or else the Knicks will become a first apron team which restricts the amount of money they can take back relative to what they send out more prohibitively.


When deals are broken by Woj or Shams doesnt really matter it is the order in which the Knicks make them official..

For exmaple OG can be broken today and George broken Wednesday or thursday but then when they become official they announce George first and then OG
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 9:02 am : link
I'd be a complete liar if I said I was extremely knowledgable regarding Goga Bitadze but his advanced numbers are strong 17.8 PER, .186 WS/48 in 2024 +60% from the field and 1.2 blocks over only 15 minutes (top 20 in the NBA)
RE: Knicks hired a new VP of sports medicine.  
DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 9:03 am : link
In comment 16541695 bceagle05 said:
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Hope he has the secret formula to turn OG into an ironman.


Sounds like a real asset (and spent time with Jalen Brunson in Dallas)
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RE: .  
Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 9:09 am : link
In comment 16541741 DanMetroMan said:
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I'd be a complete liar if I said I was extremely knowledgable regarding Goga Bitadze but his advanced numbers are strong 17.8 PER, .186 WS/48 in 2024 +60% from the field and 1.2 blocks over only 15 minutes (top 20 in the NBA)


Goga is great. He gave the Knicks a lot of trouble. I’m fully onboard with him as a backup big.
Bball  
DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 9:21 am : link
Writer I know says the belief is Paul George is open to 3-5 teams and the Knicks are one of them. Yes, not exactly breaking news.
RE: Bball  
Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 9:49 am : link
In comment 16541747 DanMetroMan said:
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Writer I know says the belief is Paul George is open to 3-5 teams and the Knicks are one of them. Yes, not exactly breaking news.


Would be curious to know the others
PG  
Pete44 : 6/24/2024 9:52 am : link
NYK, Philly, GS and Orlando most likely. The Lakers or OKC could be the 5th team. A guess in my part.
RE: PG  
ajr2456 : 6/24/2024 10:02 am : link
In comment 16541759 Pete44 said:
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NYK, Philly, GS and Orlando most likely. The Lakers or OKC could be the 5th team. A guess in my part.


I don’t think Orlando is, or at least not one of his top choices if he opts in.
Craig Carton is a complete  
Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 10:12 am : link
assclown but he did definitively say AD is the Knicks number one target.
PG13  
TyreeHelmet : 6/24/2024 10:25 am : link
I’ve come around on this and think it would be a really good move. The cost wouldn’t be crazy and the Knicks would be loaded with him as the 3rd option. Hes still a really good defender and would be a seamless fit.

The age is a bit of a concern but the young perfect superstar is probably not going to be available and getable. Now is the time to take a big swing. This roster with George can win a title.

It makes a lot of sense for him too. I wouldn’t want to be hitching my wagon to Kawhi the next few years.

What would trade package look like?
If  
Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 10:26 am : link
you see Julius re-sign now for exactly $43,219,440 or $48,787,676 we'll know why (that's what AD and Giannis are making next year)

In all seriousness I do think there's a world where they overpay Julius to help facilitate a trade if they become a second apron team.

Maybe they get PG this offseason, AD next? Brunson-PG-OG-AD-iHart is an unreal starting lineup.

Best assortment of defensive players since...04 Pistons?
RE: PG13  
Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 10:27 am : link
In comment 16541784 TyreeHelmet said:
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I’ve come around on this and think it would be a really good move. The cost wouldn’t be crazy and the Knicks would be loaded with him as the 3rd option. Hes still a really good defender and would be a seamless fit.

The age is a bit of a concern but the young perfect superstar is probably not going to be available and getable. Now is the time to take a big swing. This roster with George can win a title.

It makes a lot of sense for him too. I wouldn’t want to be hitching my wagon to Kawhi the next few years.

What would trade package look like?


Probably the core trade is Mitch, Bogie and 2-3 first rounders. Hopefully you can keep Deuce out of the deal
Cleveland hires Kenny Atkinson  
bceagle05 : 6/24/2024 10:29 am : link
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RE: Cleveland hires Kenny Atkinson  
DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 10:42 am : link
In comment 16541787 bceagle05 said:
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Great hire.
If Orlando is listed  
nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 10:43 am : link
its because they are being used as leverage as a cap space team
I've been messing with the numbers, and barring  
Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 10:47 am : link
Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.

As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.
RE: I've been messing with the numbers, and barring  
Stu11 : 6/24/2024 10:57 am : link
In comment 16541794 Strahan91 said:
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Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.

As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.

Keep in mind the Knicks have a 6.8 mill trade exception and Shake Milton is due 5 mill next season.
RE: RE: I've been messing with the numbers, and barring  
Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 10:58 am : link
In comment 16541800 Stu11 said:
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In comment 16541794 Strahan91 said:


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Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.

As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.


Keep in mind the Knicks have a 6.8 mill trade exception and Shake Milton is due 5 mill next season.

The trade exception is useless in this scenario, can't be combined with anything else. Re: Milton, Detroit bought him out of that contract and the Knicks signed him to a 1 year vet min deal
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DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 11:08 am : link
The Strickland
@TheStrickland
Virginia F Ryan Dunn has excelled in workouts and may have played his way out of the Knicks' range, according to multiple reports

Dunn is "gaining steam" to get drafted in the early 20s after "a slew of outstanding workouts" this month, per ESPN's @DraftExpress
.

ESPN has Dunn going at No. 22 to Phoenix in today's mock draft.

Several teams have said Dunn "exceeded expectations with his shooting while also doing some absolutely mesmerizing things defensively in guarding point guards through centers in group settings."

HoopsHype's @MikeAScotto
reported today that "some in New York believe Dunn will be off the board" when the Knicks are on the clock at No. 24.
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Stu11 : 6/24/2024 11:11 am : link
In comment 16541807 DanMetroMan said:
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The Strickland
@TheStrickland
Virginia F Ryan Dunn has excelled in workouts and may have played his way out of the Knicks' range, according to multiple reports

Dunn is "gaining steam" to get drafted in the early 20s after "a slew of outstanding workouts" this month, per ESPN's @DraftExpress
.

ESPN has Dunn going at No. 22 to Phoenix in today's mock draft.

Several teams have said Dunn "exceeded expectations with his shooting while also doing some absolutely mesmerizing things defensively in guarding point guards through centers in group settings."

HoopsHype's @MikeAScotto
reported today that "some in New York believe Dunn will be off the board" when the Knicks are on the clock at No. 24.

Lol in the past week every guy has "played there way out of the Knicks range". Well somebody has to be there, they all can't get drafted in the first 23 picks.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 11:14 am : link
not calling BS, this is a shitty draft and Dunn is elite level at 50% of the game but it *appears* either the Knicks truly love Dunn made this extremely obvious, and it would behoove teams ahead of them to feign interest and turn the Knicks into potential trade partners OR this has been a smokescreen.
RE: .  
Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 11:18 am : link
In comment 16541807 DanMetroMan said:
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The Strickland
@TheStrickland
Virginia F Ryan Dunn has excelled in workouts and may have played his way out of the Knicks' range, according to multiple reports

Dunn is "gaining steam" to get drafted in the early 20s after "a slew of outstanding workouts" this month, per ESPN's @DraftExpress
.

ESPN has Dunn going at No. 22 to Phoenix in today's mock draft.

Several teams have said Dunn "exceeded expectations with his shooting while also doing some absolutely mesmerizing things defensively in guarding point guards through centers in group settings."

HoopsHype's @MikeAScotto
reported today that "some in New York believe Dunn will be off the board" when the Knicks are on the clock at No. 24.

They have the Knicks taking Collier with one of their picks. Would love that as a developmental, high upside swing. Hard t see him falling that far though
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DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 11:21 am : link
In comment 16541813 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 16541807 DanMetroMan said:


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The Strickland
@TheStrickland
Virginia F Ryan Dunn has excelled in workouts and may have played his way out of the Knicks' range, according to multiple reports

Dunn is "gaining steam" to get drafted in the early 20s after "a slew of outstanding workouts" this month, per ESPN's @DraftExpress
.

ESPN has Dunn going at No. 22 to Phoenix in today's mock draft.

Several teams have said Dunn "exceeded expectations with his shooting while also doing some absolutely mesmerizing things defensively in guarding point guards through centers in group settings."

HoopsHype's @MikeAScotto
reported today that "some in New York believe Dunn will be off the board" when the Knicks are on the clock at No. 24.


They have the Knicks taking Collier with one of their picks. Would love that as a developmental, high upside swing. Hard t see him falling that far though


Generally speaking when I see fans of multiple teams hoping "player X" who is a high upside, "lottery ticket" type to fall to them, said player ends up going a lot higher than people expect.
Oh yeah, I agree. This is a weird draft though, so  
Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 11:25 am : link
it wouldn’t shock me. Plus Givony who’s pretty plugged in continues to drop him in his mocks
RE: Oh yeah, I agree. This is a weird draft though, so  
DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 11:28 am : link
In comment 16541817 Strahan91 said:
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it wouldn’t shock me. Plus Givony who’s pretty plugged in continues to drop him in his mocks


For sure. I'm not saying he has no shot of being there when they pick. I just see him mentioned as a popular "lottery ticket" "huge upside" guy from multiple fan bases, more so than some other players. The Ringer has him in the Knicks range (19th)
RE: I've been messing with the numbers, and barring  
nygiants16 : 6/24/2024 11:33 am : link
In comment 16541794 Strahan91 said:
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Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.

As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.


All depends on what the starting salary is for OG and Hartenstein...with OG signed starting at 35 and Bojan, mitch and Deuce traded for George that puts you around 166..

You can mess around with incentives and things like that as well
RE: RE: I've been messing with the numbers, and barring  
Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 11:51 am : link
In comment 16541822 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16541794 Strahan91 said:


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Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.

As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.



All depends on what the starting salary is for OG and Hartenstein...with OG signed starting at 35 and Bojan, mitch and Deuce traded for George that puts you around 166..

You can mess around with incentives and things like that as well

Where are you getting the $166M from? The sites I've seen don't include OG's cap hold once he opts out today, does your projection account for that? In that scenario, even if they moved fast before actually inking iHart and OG, a deal for George without Randle would hard cap them at the first apron.

The only other possibility aside from maybe the sign draft picks, wait a month and trade path would be a 3-team trade where Precious goes to a third team in a sign and trade who sends outgoing salary to LAC to match George's contract.
RE: RE: I've been messing with the numbers, and barring  
Stu11 : 6/24/2024 11:51 am : link
In comment 16541822 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16541794 Strahan91 said:


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Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.

As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.



All depends on what the starting salary is for OG and Hartenstein...with OG signed starting at 35 and Bojan, mitch and Deuce traded for George that puts you around 166..

You can mess around with incentives and things like that as well

Yeah absolutely. With all due respect we look at numbers but we're not NBA capologists. The Knicks have so many moving parts this off season that we have no way of knowing the order they get done or structures of the contracts and what this all means in relation to a potential trade. We can look at Sportac all we want but Rose and his staff have proven to be very adept and punching in #'s that help make everything work.
I just saw this from Windhorst so if the Knicks were to move really  
Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 11:53 am : link
fast and pull off a PG trade today before OG opts out, that would change the calculus.
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Please  
DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 12:00 pm : link
tell me this won't result in THjr on the Knicks 3.0 lol


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Washington Wizards +225
Atlanta Hawks +240
Detroit Pistons +325
LA Lakers +700
Portland Trail Blazers +700
Brooklyn Nets +700
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Ultimate troll chimes in once again  
Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 12:03 pm : link

Robert Randolph
@robertrandolph
This a good trade for Knicks !Thanks Mitch !!!
Scotto  
DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 12:07 pm : link
Should New York lose Hartenstein in free agency to a higher offer elsewhere, several centers are on their radar as potential replacements, including free agents Goga Bitadze, Jonas Valanciunas, and Nick Richards, who would be a trade target, league sources told HoopsHype. There’s also an outside chance the Knicks make a run at Andre Drummond, sources said.
RE: Ultimate troll chimes in once again  
Anakim : 6/24/2024 12:10 pm : link
In comment 16541842 Strahan91 said:
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Robert Randolph
@robertrandolph
This a good trade for Knicks !Thanks Mitch !!!


Fuck Robert Randolph
RE: I just saw this from Windhorst so if the Knicks were to move really  
Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 12:15 pm : link
In comment 16541834 Strahan91 said:
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fast and pull off a PG trade today before OG opts out, that would change the calculus. Link - ( New Window )

I guess they could also mutually agree to push back the opt out date close to 7/1
Barnes  
DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 12:28 pm : link
5 for 270 with Toronto per Woj
RE: Barnes  
Larry in Pencilvania : 6/24/2024 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16541856 DanMetroMan said:
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5 for 270 with Toronto per Woj


Whuh? Huh??
RE: Barnes  
Jon In NYC : 6/24/2024 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16541856 DanMetroMan said:
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5 for 270 with Toronto per Woj


Great player, but that's a lot for someone who's never averaged more than 20 PPG.

Then again OG is about to get 200 and he's older and even worse as a scorer.
Barnes  
DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 12:47 pm : link
is almost like Mobley where it's been more of a slow burn than bursting on the scene offensively but I'd happily hitch my wagon to either one, even if neither one becomes a 30 ppg scorer (I'm not even ruling that out for a pair of 22 year olds).
Crazy contract for Barnes, IMO  
Heisenberg : 6/24/2024 12:56 pm : link
Unless they can pay him in Canadian currency.

He's not worth that now but maybe he continues to grow to be worth those $$$?
RE: RE: He's  
DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 1:10 pm : link
In comment 16540908 Pete44 said:
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well within his right to ask for every last penny and use what leverage he has to get it. Players for the most part are all about other players getting their money over all else. OG played half of a season with the Knicks, I find it implausible that other Knicks would expect him to accept anything less than the most he can get.



Not when Brunson is thinking about sacrificing and taking less


Brunson chose to come to the Knicks, he signed on long term with the Knicks because he wanted to join the Knicks. He grew up around the team, he's known Leon Rose for most of his life, went to college "locally", dad on the coaching staff. OG was traded to the Knicks. There are not similar situations (and it should be noted, Brunson has yet to actually take less, it's being suggested he might, further... it's a story because it's so unusual, not the expectation or the norm). Should other Knicks players expect FA's to sign here "for less"? OG played 23 regular season games as a Knick.
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Strahan91 : 6/24/2024 1:12 pm : link
In comment 16541902 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16540902 DanMetroMan said:


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well within his right to ask for every last penny and use what leverage he has to get it. Players for the most part are all about other players getting their money over all else. OG played half of a season with the Knicks, I find it implausible that other Knicks would expect him to accept anything less than the most he can get.



Not when Brunson is thinking about sacrificing and taking less



Brunson chose to come to the Knicks, he signed on long term with the Knicks because he wanted to join the Knicks. He grew up around the team, he's known Leon Rose for most of his life, went to college "locally", dad on the coaching staff. OG was traded to the Knicks. There are not similar situations (and it should be noted, Brunson has yet to actually take less, it's being suggested he might, further... it's a story because it's so unusual, not the expectation or the norm). Should other Knicks players expect FA's to sign here "for less"? OG played 23 regular season games as a Knick.

Brunson also makes money off the court as a Knick and after this past season there will only be more money to be made there. Barring a significant improvement offensively (and even then I'm skeptical given his personality), OG won't have those same opportunities.
As of now it’s Knicks, Warriors or staying in La  
ajr2456 : 6/24/2024 1:16 pm : link
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RE: As of now it’s Knicks, Warriors or staying in La  
Stu11 : 6/24/2024 1:17 pm : link
In comment 16541910 ajr2456 said:
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Yeah from connecting the dots I think this is spot on.
Pretty  
DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 1:17 pm : link
great (and long) read about the Knicks and potential draft targets
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RE: As of now it’s Knicks, Warriors or staying in La  
TyreeHelmet : 6/24/2024 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16541910 ajr2456 said:
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Thanks AJ...do you like the move for the Knicks? You hearing anything with anthony davis?
Steph and Kawhi have already won whatever titles they’re gonna win.  
bceagle05 : 6/24/2024 1:34 pm : link
Come to New York, PG.
Curious  
Giantfootball025 : 6/24/2024 1:44 pm : link
As to why we haven’t heard anything on OG yet. Is today a hard deadline for him to opt out?
I read that his first choice was always LA  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/24/2024 1:46 pm : link
but he wants the most money possible.
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DanMetroMan : 6/24/2024 1:56 pm : link
Lol Shaq's first 7 NBA games he averaged 27 and 17 with 3 blocks
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