As terrible as the Kyler Murray and Deshaun Watson deals.
You don't have a top 3 QB, keep drafting kids at QB or your payment to your QB will be enormous. No matter if he's a good regular season QB or not. Curious what SF does with Purdy.
RE: Nothing like paying a guy for what he did in college
As terrible as the Kyler Murray and Deshaun Watson deals.
You don't have a top 3 QB, keep drafting kids at QB or your payment to your QB will be enormous. No matter if he's a good regular season QB or not. Curious what SF does with Purdy.
I agree with this, although I would go a little deeper than top 3. Definitely top 5 or 6 and maybe top 10. It will be a disaster for SF if they pay Purdy.
As terrible as the Kyler Murray and Deshaun Watson deals.
You don't have a top 3 QB, keep drafting kids at QB or your payment to your QB will be enormous. No matter if he's a good regular season QB or not. Curious what SF does with Purdy.
I agree with this, although I would go a little deeper than top 3. Definitely top 5 or 6 and maybe top 10. It will be a disaster for SF if they pay Purdy.
I went 3 because when you look at the QB landscape, what do you see? Teams with loaded situations where they are making the QB have easier options ala Hurts, Purdy and Tua. Or guys who crumble when it matters (Dak, Lamar, Cousins, lately Rodgers). Herbert hasn't had a great situation but needs to elevate. Lawrence has been shaky, but these teams might feel forced because what else can they do.
Wait and see what Tua gets, too. I wouldn't pay him at all.
think that means 3 new years almost fully guaranteed, but it's possible it's only 2 new years on top of the 4th year (2024) and 5YO (2025) already gtd at $31m. guess we will know for sure soon enough.
I’m a Lawrence fan so i think they had to pay him but id be real annoyed at paying him same as burrow.
That's because it's easier to keep your job by overpaying for a QB than letting a mediocre one go. God forbid you let an average QB go and they have success elsewhere, you are toast.
I don't agree with it, but that's the politics of the QB position. It takes guts to be forward thinking like that.
Washington franchised Cousins twice and he ultimately left and it isn't until this year that they may have found a solid replacement. Teams will always pay for what they hope is a solution at QB.
Weren't winning with Kirk either so ultimately it was the right move. Not many would agree to that, but these guys have to elevate in the critical games late in the season. Cousins flopped several times in DC late in the year.
Washington franchised Cousins twice and he ultimately left and it isn't until this year that they may have found a solid replacement. Teams will always pay for what they hope is a solution at QB.
The Jones contract was bad in hindsight but this is why people believe someone was going to pay Jones after 2022. QBs are drafted too high and paid too much, and it will always be the case. Bad defense or not, Jones looked like an MVP against Minnesota in the playoffs. Someone was paying him if NYG didn’t.
Justin Herbert signed his deal last year but now Lawrence is a problem because he had a down season (mostly due to poor O-Line play). I see the double standard.
Justin Herbert signed his deal last year but now Lawrence is a problem because he had a down season (mostly due to poor O-Line play). I see the double standard.
Justin Herbert is very overrated but a good to very good QB.
Trevor Lawrence is a middle of the road QB at best.
RE: Nothing like paying a guy for what he did in college
last 2 years he's been pretty good. there were 10 4k yard passers in 2023, 9 in 2022. Just 4 who did it both years and he was 1 of them. 17-16 in that period of time.
The price tag is uncomfortable but that is any QB. I'd rather pay Lawrence than Tua.
last 2 years he's been pretty good. there were 10 4k yard passers in 2023, 9 in 2022. Just 4 who did it both years and he was 1 of them. 17-16 in that period of time.
The price tag is uncomfortable but that is any QB. I'd rather pay Lawrence than Tua.
Ya.. Tua seems much closer to having his brain go to mush
But wouldn't 50% of NFL teams make this deal with Lawrence if they had the opportunity to do so?
Doesn't mean it's the right move. Just because someone will overpay a QB that you should get rid of doesn't justify the move to extend. There are probably 10-12 QBs you can win a super bowl with IMO, so why would you bother overpaying for the rest of them?
The sooner teams accept that reality, they can concentrate on spending on other positions that will make the team better while they try and get one of those 10-12 guys.
Now this is all easier said than done, teams look for decades to try and find that guy. But why overpay for lack of success? The end result of the Giants hanging on to Jones and paying him is the same as the Bears with Trubisky and Fields (minus the cost).
Washington franchised Cousins twice and he ultimately left and it isn't until this year that they may have found a solid replacement. Teams will always pay for what they hope is a solution at QB.
I think the problem is that too many jobs are tied to the QB when in reality, QB is an ownership level decision. If a GM felt safe reading a QB he drafted or even letting him test FA, I think you'd see that happen a lot more. But because drafting a QB high in round 1 is basically throwing the gauntlet down on the GM's career, the GM is always going to favor paying the guy he drafted.
The NFL is flawed and inefficient, but it's masked by the colossal amount of revenue they bring in. Many of not most of the owners run bad organizations, but there's no structure to punish them for it.
The Jaguars just paid Trevor Lawrence on spec. They're hoping he'll become something he's not shown himself capable of being. Would you get on a plane you weren't sure could fly, or drive over a bridge you weren't sure was stable?
The NFL is in a stratosphere where it can risk throwing away a quarter billion away. Incredible.
right now from an overall league perspective. Remember at one point when you had Brady, Peyton, Eli, Big Ben, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Romo, Stafford, Russell Wilson (younger version), Andrew Luck and others all playing at the same time? That was like 7-8 years ago.
Now you have Mahomes and Allen. Everyone else is a question mark. Even Burrow with the injury issues.
If you are resigning your starting QB you pay market value. Folks here complained about Eli’s first extension but it was the same principle. Heck, the Jones deal wasn’t even top of the market. The $40m was minimum. It was that or let him walk. There is nothing in between. And no GM in the league would let a QB who went to the playoffs that year walk.
I follow a lot but these early deals look to keep cost down where the team can add more talent. Eric on Li seems is the guru with the contracts/Cap stuff imv.
I don't think it a terrible strategy and if goes really bad you have a house cleaning in two to three years.
I liked him his freshman season but after that I was not overly impressed with him.
teams want to be jockeying for 10+ wins and playoffs not 5-7 wins and hope you suck enough to get the top guy then hope he’s good too. Lawrence is a good QB who has room to grow as well. It’s easy to say don’t do it but the alternatives can be just as bad or worse, and often are.
The rookie extensions have mostly been less rich than reported.
Someone post the Jones vs Lawrence comparison.
Should fill Jags fans with dread and terror.
we are keeping him if we dont get a top pick and he plays decently.
Lawrence
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Lance
Fields
Mac Jones
All first rounders
My first thought.
The Giants are keeping Jones if he has a pulse next year. The structure with a dip in cash next year virtually guarantees that.
Forget about AAV and totals. The Giants only owe Jones 30M in new cash next year, the lowest amount on the four year deal by 6M.
we are keeping him if we dont get a top pick and he plays decently.
Embrace the mediocrity baby!
As far as TLaw goes, I'd be worried if I were Jags fans.
Well, he is overpaid - if we were paying Jones what he was worth we'd have $25-30 million more to pay actually good players.
You don't have a top 3 QB, keep drafting kids at QB or your payment to your QB will be enormous. No matter if he's a good regular season QB or not. Curious what SF does with Purdy.
Graduating top of the class has it's advantages.
You don't have a top 3 QB, keep drafting kids at QB or your payment to your QB will be enormous. No matter if he's a good regular season QB or not. Curious what SF does with Purdy.
I agree with this, although I would go a little deeper than top 3. Definitely top 5 or 6 and maybe top 10. It will be a disaster for SF if they pay Purdy.
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As terrible as the Kyler Murray and Deshaun Watson deals.
You don't have a top 3 QB, keep drafting kids at QB or your payment to your QB will be enormous. No matter if he's a good regular season QB or not. Curious what SF does with Purdy.
I agree with this, although I would go a little deeper than top 3. Definitely top 5 or 6 and maybe top 10. It will be a disaster for SF if they pay Purdy.
I went 3 because when you look at the QB landscape, what do you see? Teams with loaded situations where they are making the QB have easier options ala Hurts, Purdy and Tua. Or guys who crumble when it matters (Dak, Lamar, Cousins, lately Rodgers). Herbert hasn't had a great situation but needs to elevate. Lawrence has been shaky, but these teams might feel forced because what else can they do.
Wait and see what Tua gets, too. I wouldn't pay him at all.
think that means 3 new years almost fully guaranteed, but it's possible it's only 2 new years on top of the 4th year (2024) and 5YO (2025) already gtd at $31m. guess we will know for sure soon enough.
That's because it's easier to keep your job by overpaying for a QB than letting a mediocre one go. God forbid you let an average QB go and they have success elsewhere, you are toast.
I don't agree with it, but that's the politics of the QB position. It takes guts to be forward thinking like that.
$200M guaranteed, $142M of which is paid upon signing.
Tom Brady talked more about the QB play going in reverse recently.
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The Jones contract was bad in hindsight but this is why people believe someone was going to pay Jones after 2022. QBs are drafted too high and paid too much, and it will always be the case. Bad defense or not, Jones looked like an MVP against Minnesota in the playoffs. Someone was paying him if NYG didn’t.
Justin Herbert is very overrated but a good to very good QB.
Trevor Lawrence is a middle of the road QB at best.
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last 2 years he's been pretty good. there were 10 4k yard passers in 2023, 9 in 2022. Just 4 who did it both years and he was 1 of them. 17-16 in that period of time.
The price tag is uncomfortable but that is any QB. I'd rather pay Lawrence than Tua.
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last 2 years he's been pretty good. there were 10 4k yard passers in 2023, 9 in 2022. Just 4 who did it both years and he was 1 of them. 17-16 in that period of time.
The price tag is uncomfortable but that is any QB. I'd rather pay Lawrence than Tua.
Ya.. Tua seems much closer to having his brain go to mush
probably closer to 2/3.
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And he’s tweeting get ready for Tua deal
I think it would have been smarter to exercise his 5th year option, see how he does in year 4 and year 5.
Doesn't mean it's the right move. Just because someone will overpay a QB that you should get rid of doesn't justify the move to extend. There are probably 10-12 QBs you can win a super bowl with IMO, so why would you bother overpaying for the rest of them?
The sooner teams accept that reality, they can concentrate on spending on other positions that will make the team better while they try and get one of those 10-12 guys.
Now this is all easier said than done, teams look for decades to try and find that guy. But why overpay for lack of success? The end result of the Giants hanging on to Jones and paying him is the same as the Bears with Trubisky and Fields (minus the cost).
I think the problem is that too many jobs are tied to the QB when in reality, QB is an ownership level decision. If a GM felt safe reading a QB he drafted or even letting him test FA, I think you'd see that happen a lot more. But because drafting a QB high in round 1 is basically throwing the gauntlet down on the GM's career, the GM is always going to favor paying the guy he drafted.
The NFL is flawed and inefficient, but it's masked by the colossal amount of revenue they bring in. Many of not most of the owners run bad organizations, but there's no structure to punish them for it.
The Jaguars just paid Trevor Lawrence on spec. They're hoping he'll become something he's not shown himself capable of being. Would you get on a plane you weren't sure could fly, or drive over a bridge you weren't sure was stable?
The NFL is in a stratosphere where it can risk throwing away a quarter billion away. Incredible.
Now you have Mahomes and Allen. Everyone else is a question mark. Even Burrow with the injury issues.
I bet he and agent are seeking $60M+ because that's what Watson is making.
I don't think it a terrible strategy and if goes really bad you have a house cleaning in two to three years.
I liked him his freshman season but after that I was not overly impressed with him.