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Sean : 6/14/2024 12:29 pm
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Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Truth 💣: Getting to 6 wins with last year’s team and everything that went wrong was almost as impressive from a head coaching perspective as 9 wins + a playoff win in Year 1.
You don’t thrive in this league as a coach with too many like last season, but that ability to navigate the 💩 shows you might have what it takes to survive.
Daboll won’t be celebrated for 2023, nor should he be, but there is reason to buy into what I stated above.
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more bbi bullshit  
djm : 6/14/2024 4:35 pm : link
no one feels good about 6-11. carry on. manufacture drama.
Daboll is 9-17-1 here since a 7-2 start  
HardTruth : 6/14/2024 4:40 pm : link
The spin machine is always on full blast In the summer

The problem is always when the games start

Team not quitting is probably the lowest bar possible.
RE: Daboll is 9-17-1 here since a 7-2 start  
djm : 6/14/2024 4:49 pm : link
In comment 16537143 HardTruth said:
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The spin machine is always on full blast In the summer

The problem is always when the games start

Team not quitting is probably the lowest bar possible.


True. It is the lowest bar, but it's a bar that sends coaches packing. I'd rather be here than see the team quit last season.

Nothing is guaranteed and I sure as hell won't bet any over unders, I never do. We will see.
RE: Daboll is 9-17-1 here since a 7-2 start  
HBart : 6/14/2024 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16537143 HardTruth said:
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The spin machine is always on full blast In the summer

The problem is always when the games start

Team not quitting is probably the lowest bar possible.

Many would say it's the highest.
This season - The Coach and The GM  
giantstock : 6/14/2024 5:02 pm : link
It mostly comes down to Jones and the OL. And then a smaller degree on Defense - Burns.

Let's face it-- if the OL sucks this year Jones or Lock is still going to be bad regardless of Nabers. The QB's are highly dependent upon the OL. If the OL sucks it stands to reason the QB's will suck which means the Giants are going to suck. In this case, why wouldn't we realize that at least one of the 2 are Clowns? Especially if any of the QB's they recently passed on turn out to be very good. Then The Clowns can't be dumped soon enough.

If the OL is decent - there is a possibility that Jones can be decent which means mediocrity. In this case The Coach and GM will have to "settle" and pretend like its good UNLESS in a short t8ime thereafter they can turn their Trenches into a state of dominance.

OFC if the OL is good or better - then the better the QB might be in which evaluating FO and Coach they would have done well. Long term positive.

I lean toward they are blundering with excessive hubris due to year 1. Not writing them off - far from it. Eventual Trench improvement is always a possibility.
RE: RE: Two things can both be true  
BigBlueShock : 6/14/2024 5:13 pm : link
In comment 16537038 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16537028 Mike from Ohio said:


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1) Daboll made some mistakes last year related to training camp and the Oline shuffling that should not be repeated this year.

2) He has done a lot well and deserves some praise for what he did well last year - keeping the team competitive with the backup/3rd string QB playing

I think Daboll is a good coach, but he is still growing into the job. He deserves more time.



Completely reasonable take, but one slight issue I'd have is with the idea that Daboll deserves anything. I have no doubt the Giants feel the same way, but in a perfect world they would think less about what someone deserves and more about how the team can be improved.

I personally think Vrabel and Belichick are better head coach options right now than Daboll. Daboll definitely does not deserve to be fired, but I'd have done it anyway if I knew I could hire one of Belichick, Vrabel, or Harbaugh in his stead.

You constantly pretending that you’d be some iron fisted, stone cold assassin if you ran a team is one of the most entertaining parts of BBI. Works for your Madden franchise, right? Haha, you are awesome
RE: Daboll is 9-17-1 here since a 7-2 start  
Sean : 6/14/2024 5:49 pm : link
In comment 16537143 HardTruth said:
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The spin machine is always on full blast In the summer

The problem is always when the games start

Team not quitting is probably the lowest bar possible.

Belichick is 84-103 without Brady. Numbers are numbers.

For as much as you referenced Jones numbers, the fact Daboll won a playoff game with him should warrant a parade based on what you think of Jones.

It will always be about the QB.
RE: RE: Two things can both be true  
speedywheels : 6/14/2024 5:54 pm : link
In comment 16537038 Go Terps said:
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I personally think Vrabel and Belichick are better head coach options right now than Daboll. Daboll definitely does not deserve to be fired, but I'd have done it anyway if I knew I could hire one of Belichick, Vrabel, or Harbaugh in his stead.


LOL, what nonsense. Earlier in the thread, you said this:

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I don't know enough about Tennessee to speak on why their last two years were poor. Something went wrong there but I don't know what.


So you admit you have no fucking clue if what happened in Tenn was his fault, and yet you're willing to hire him to replace Daboll? Here's an idea - why don't you do some research as to what went wrong before hiring the guy who was the head coach of a shitty team?!

Just spitballin' here....

BS  
Spider43 : 6/14/2024 6:02 pm : link
One good year. One bad one. Period.
RE: He also botched the 'not settling on starting OL'  
Blue Dog : 6/14/2024 6:04 pm : link
In comment 16536989 FranknWeezer said:
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and shuffling them around so much there never was any continuity, as well as getting the first team little to no work in preseason games.


This seems like it has attained myth status at this point. The only real movement with the starters was Bredeson taking some starting reps over rookie JMS. They shuffled the backups like McKethan and Phillips, and like I said Bredeson got center time since he was learning, but the starting group was clear. Cutting Phillips was a mistake (kept Lemieux). Having to pull Pugh off the couch was a problem. Benching Glowinski, losing Thomas and Evans and JMS is exactly what they didn't want. A lot of that was completely out of Daboll's hand.
RE: RE: Daboll is 9-17-1 here since a 7-2 start  
giantstock : 6/14/2024 6:09 pm : link
In comment 16537177 Sean said:
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In comment 16537143 HardTruth said:


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The spin machine is always on full blast In the summer

The problem is always when the games start

Team not quitting is probably the lowest bar possible.


Belichick is 84-103 without Brady. Numbers are numbers.



How many NBA championships did Jordan win without Phil Jackson?

How many did Pippen win?

How many Finals did either of them go to without Phil?

If Jimmy G can get to Super Bowl and almost win/almost beat KC - there can be be another way with a very well coached team.
RE: Losing 40-0 in the home opener and starting 2-8 - impressive!  
Scuzzlebutt : 6/14/2024 6:11 pm : link
In comment 16536987 Go Terps said:
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FYI - the season is 17 games nowadays.
giantstock  
Sean : 6/14/2024 6:20 pm : link
I'm a huge fan of Belichick, my response was referencing Daboll's record after the 7-2 start. That doesn't include the first playoff win this franchise has had since 2011.
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markky : 6/14/2024 6:38 pm : link
In comment 16536980 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He made mistakes last season. I thought camp was too Club Med and some of his in game stuff (leaving in Jones late in the opener for example) made little sense to me. But I am still bullish on him as a HC.


I'm hoping he learns from both of these categories of mistakes and corrects going forward.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/14/2024 6:58 pm : link
Dabs won COY & a postseason game in '22 with a VERY flawed roster. Let's not just brush that aside.

And I noted & others have too...he wasn't good in '23. But I'll still confident in him going forward. I'm hoping he learns from his mistakes & improves going forward.
RE: RE: Losing 40-0 in the home opener and starting 2-8 - impressive!  
HardTruth : 6/14/2024 7:05 pm : link
In comment 16537192 Scuzzlebutt said:
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FYI - the season is 17 games nowadays.


And teams that start 2-8 will always have seasons that end after 17 games
RE: ...  
giantstock : 6/14/2024 8:02 pm : link
In comment 16537206 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Dabs won COY & a postseason game in '22 with a VERY flawed roster. Let's not just brush that aside.

And I noted & others have too...he wasn't good in '23. But I'll still confident in him going forward. I'm hoping he learns from his mistakes & improves going forward.


You of all people are "confident" in him? Not meant as an insult. But up until this year hasn't the OL been pathetic? We kind of expect the OL will be "oaky" this year but are you that certain especially regarding Neal and JMS? With JMS in regard to his injury and afterwards he sucked-- haven't we seen this movie before? Not saying he's gonna suck but far from certain what he is.

And the QB - we both feel he should have been gone, right? And/or taken a QB, right? Why would you think that? Because you know he's not good-- or with me I think he is average but the risk with injury- it's reckless they go with him without a suitable sub.

There is hope to build Trenches maybe - but right now at this moment what does the future look like going into year 3? A mediocre OL and a sub-par QB. That's good? Not looking to win right away but isn't there also a huge fear of remain mediocre for this year and going forward?

That is in part on The GM and The Coach, isn't it?
Stapleton on Daboll: - Sean : 12:29 pm  
JerrysKids : 6/14/2024 8:04 pm : link
Can't say I agree with this sentiment, The NY Giants were very disappointing last year. I thought Daboll had a terrible season, they were lifeless, and unprepared and that showed in week one. I put that on the HC, his message in year 2 did not register.
giantstock.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/14/2024 8:14 pm : link
Yeah, I know I'm usually pissing on this organization left & right-deservedly so IMO because of the general results this past decade-but I do think Dabs is a good coach. I'd like to see him with another QB, but that's a discussion for another day.
RE: giantstock.  
giantstock : 6/14/2024 8:27 pm : link
In comment 16537237 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Yeah, I know I'm usually pissing on this organization left & right-deservedly so IMO because of the general results this past decade-but I do think Dabs is a good coach. I'd like to see him with another QB, but that's a discussion for another day.


Well - I am skeptical - not saying dump him like I used to say with DG.

But a coach that has shown nothing for his OL and is oblivious with QB play - doesn't sound so hot.
well...  
Giants4me : 6/14/2024 9:41 pm : link
there's this...

Team totally and unequivocally unprepared for game one.

Very suspect short yardage gambling.

Sticking with an injured Place kicker way to long.

Play calling in red zone was terrible.

Almost the entire Jet's game.

Three years is fair to both parties.Let's see.







This is a pivotal  
Toth029 : 6/15/2024 9:20 am : link
Year for Daboll and he needs to get this situation with Neal and Elumunor right. It needs stability in the worst way. Otherwise, getting these wide receivers, expecting time for your QB and any kind of confidence in his own offense becomes null.
RE: This is a pivotal  
Mike from Ohio : 6/15/2024 9:36 am : link
In comment 16537359 Toth029 said:
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Year for Daboll and he needs to get this situation with Neal and Elumunor right. It needs stability in the worst way. Otherwise, getting these wide receivers, expecting time for your QB and any kind of confidence in his own offense becomes null.


He also needs to make much better personnel decisions. As mentioned above, things like keeping Shepard around and putting guys who had never returned punts at punt returner all felt like rookie coaching mistakes. He is also accountable for the lack of progress of many of the Olinemen. Poor positional coaching falls back on the HC.

I think Daboll is a good offensive minded guy and I think he has the team bought in. But year 3 needs to include some improvement from year 2.
Oh absolutely  
Toth029 : 6/15/2024 9:46 am : link
The return game suffered because of that decision. It does appear they learned their lesson, however, by bringing back Olszewski, bringing in McKenzie, and having young guys like Tracy and Miller waiting to be given a chance. The TE room is another. Just keeping one TE who can block marginally was a huge mistake. But again, it appears they learned their mistake and were more aggressive in getting guys who can block and move people at the line.

The one glaring issue on the offense right now is RT. He (and to a degree) and Bricillo need to get that right.
the talent constraints year 1 helped them have a good year  
Eric on Li : 6/15/2024 10:52 am : link
they played a very simple first half of the season (basically rode barkley) that helped insulate the team's biggest continued weakness (OL). they also got some good old fashioned luck with bullock missing the FG.

on defense winks unorthodox style created some key end of game plays that turned games (lamar's fumble, rodgers batted passes). all those breaks went their way in the first half.

things got more complex as the season went along in 2022 and the team played better as it got more confident, even though the record didnt reflect that. but momentum obviously didn't carry over. some combination of bad decisions, wrong people in key spots, bad mojo, bad luck, all the above. they replaced a few smart/tough/dependables with undependables (campbell, waller, unsettled interior OL, thomas hurt right away, etc).

if you see what Houston is doing this offseason, it's a pretty well accepted thing that to not regress after a surprising year 1 you need to really up the talent quotient. the NYG tried that but failed. sophomore slumps are a thing bc it is hard to win in pro sports, and harder yet to do it twice in a row.

this year is the 2nd chance and it appears that they have made a lot of adjustments. new playcallers in all 3 phases and a lot of veterans gone. in the last 2 years/3 offseasons this regime has not only hand selected all the players but lived through what worked and what didnt. either they effectively learned from all of that and made good choices this year or they didnt.
 
christian : 6/15/2024 11:24 am : link
Eric, you hit on an excellent point, that's worth repeating relentlessly. The Giants tried and failed to increase talent, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

Every position group was worse YoY on the offensive side of the ball. Consistency in performance is a combination of health, development, and talent infusion. The Giants get low marks on all three.

No one was healthier, no one meaningfully developed, and none of the acquisitions were better than their predecessor.
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Eric on Li : 6/15/2024 12:14 pm : link
In comment 16537394 christian said:
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Eric, you hit on an excellent point, that's worth repeating relentlessly. The Giants tried and failed to increase talent, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

Every position group was worse YoY on the offensive side of the ball. Consistency in performance is a combination of health, development, and talent infusion. The Giants get low marks on all three.

No one was healthier, no one meaningfully developed, and none of the acquisitions were better than their predecessor.


they not only failed to meaningfully increase the talent on offense, but they played a more high risk style that led to more self inflicted mistakes.

think about dallas drive 1, they went down the field with all barkley runs (very first half 2022). would have been red zone with an easier fg or a continued drive but had an OL penalty. Instead of making their kick like Gano did all of 22, they have the block and put themselves way behind 8 ball losing Thomas in process derailing the first 1/2 of the season(he returned week 9). they were 4-5 after his return, and 4-4 in games he finished (he left both dallas games early).

i think by accident just based on the nature of being in year 1 and having crappy receivers like david sills starting, they ended up giving themselves an advantage by playing so vanilla early in 2022. the other teams made mistakes that cost them games. special teams was also a huge positive factor, in TEN they had a rookie returner fumble and the missed kick. 2 very different week 1 outcomes even though they were shut out at halftime in both of them (13-0 in 22, 26-0 in 23).

with Sam Darnold (or JJM), Jayden Daniels, Deshaun Watson the first 3 QBs this year, it probably makes sense to start vanilla again to build momentum. Not too hard to foresee those guys making mistakes - especially if NYG pass rush can get home. Singletary probably cant do what Barkley did but there are probably some vanilla ways to get ball in hands of Nabers/Robinson. Hopefully get some momentum then start taking training wheels off.
Toth  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/15/2024 12:29 pm : link
The TE decision was perplexing. It does look like they addressed it. Daboll did say that he looked at a lot of things this off season. One of them was scheme related.

He seems to want to play the air it out game. I hope he does a better job preparing the team to be better at running. They need much better running from the RB's (especially with Jones injury situation) this year to help keep the D honest. That will also open things up in the pass game. All the back up RB's finished below 3.0 ypc.

Cant's have running games like SF, Miami and Seattle again.
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christian : 6/15/2024 12:45 pm : link
In comment 16537405 Eric on Li said:
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Eric, you hit on an excellent point, that's worth repeating relentlessly. The Giants tried and failed to increase talent, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

Every position group was worse YoY on the offensive side of the ball. Consistency in performance is a combination of health, development, and talent infusion. The Giants get low marks on all three.

No one was healthier, no one meaningfully developed, and none of the acquisitions were better than their predecessor.

they not only failed to meaningfully increase the talent on offense, but they played a more high risk style that led to more self inflicted mistakes.


I think the risk profile in some respects is proportional to the talent ratio.

Take the AZ game, where the talent ratio between NYG and Cardinals was pretty equal. And the Giants averaged 9.4 IA/A, which didn't feel risky.
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Eric on Li : 6/15/2024 1:40 pm : link
In comment 16537418 christian said:
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In comment 16537405 Eric on Li said:


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Eric, you hit on an excellent point, that's worth repeating relentlessly. The Giants tried and failed to increase talent, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

Every position group was worse YoY on the offensive side of the ball. Consistency in performance is a combination of health, development, and talent infusion. The Giants get low marks on all three.

No one was healthier, no one meaningfully developed, and none of the acquisitions were better than their predecessor.

they not only failed to meaningfully increase the talent on offense, but they played a more high risk style that led to more self inflicted mistakes.



I think the risk profile in some respects is proportional to the talent ratio.

Take the AZ game, where the talent ratio between NYG and Cardinals was pretty equal. And the Giants averaged 9.4 IA/A, which didn't feel risky.


they were down 20-0 at half time. the first offensive play of the game was a false start on ezeudu out of shotgun. jones was 3/3 on that drive but only got 13/15 yards so they punted.

on a quick count barkley only had 6 carries in the first half and almost twice as many 2nd half. the adjustments they made to win the game in the 2nd half included both shutting down dobbs and a more balanced approach that led to run all over the cardinals defense (they had only 25 rushing yards in the first half).

barkley also had 6 receptions on 7 targets for 29 yards including that highlight 3rd down td, so his ability to keep the chains moving with those 23 touches was likely the biggest factor on that game.



i didnt count every play in the 2nd half because there were more than the 1st half, but im pretty sure these rushing totals minus the first half run/pass spread means they had a much more balanced run/pass approach in the 2nd half.
Correct on the rushing Eric  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/15/2024 2:09 pm : link
When you look at 2022 versus 2023 the answer is very clear in the rushing numbers and wins/losses. I hope they are better at it this season and can be balanced (pass/run) depending on the match up. Good run game has a huge impact on the pass game.

Cards were a favorable matchup OL/DL wise. Hopefully that battle tilts in favor towards the Giants more this season.
RE: RE: RE: Two things can both be true  
Victor in CT : 6/15/2024 4:41 pm : link
In comment 16537051 Sean said:
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In comment 16537028 Mike from Ohio said:


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1) Daboll made some mistakes last year related to training camp and the Oline shuffling that should not be repeated this year.

2) He has done a lot well and deserves some praise for what he did well last year - keeping the team competitive with the backup/3rd string QB playing

I think Daboll is a good coach, but he is still growing into the job. He deserves more time.



Completely reasonable take, but one slight issue I'd have is with the idea that Daboll deserves anything. I have no doubt the Giants feel the same way, but in a perfect world they would think less about what someone deserves and more about how the team can be improved.

I personally think Vrabel and Belichick are better head coach options right now than Daboll. Daboll definitely does not deserve to be fired, but I'd have done it anyway if I knew I could hire one of Belichick, Vrabel, or Harbaugh in his stead.


I think that's fair although I may pushback on Vrabel. I'd have a tough time firing him after last year. "Deserves" is the wrong word, but I think he's someone who can be part of the solution here.

I have no interest in moving off Daboll for someone like Ben Johnson though. It would have to be Belichick and it would be a 3-4 year window of just getting back to respectability. I don't care about his age.


Forget Belichick. He's to old for a rebuild and too busy banging a 24 year old woman.
Fully agree.  
BornsIdentity : 6/15/2024 7:27 pm : link
The start of the season was giving me doubts on his coaching ability, but I fully agree he showed something over the course of the season. He did show me that at the least he can legitimately coach in this league winning games with DeVito and Tyrod. Even of the games they lost, quite a few were very close competitive games. There are few HC candidates that I would view as clear upgrades.

No interest in Belichick - as others have said he is way too old for where this roster is and his last several years in NE are not particularly inspiring. Vrabel I do think is a great coach but unless this year goes really south I would rather see what Daboll can do with an improving roster than hit reset again for him. Same thing with any current OC/DCs.
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christian : 6/15/2024 10:23 pm : link
In comment 16537448 Eric on Li said:
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i didnt count every play in the 2nd half because there were more than the 1st half, but im pretty sure these rushing totals minus the first half run/pass spread means they had a much more balanced run/pass approach in the 2nd half.

Balance isn't necessarily a measure of risk vs. safety. What a team does with their passes is the risk (a 20 yard pass in the air is more of a risk than 3 yards) Yes, the Giants were more balanced in the 2H. Excluding sacks by half:

1H Total Plays: 24
1H Rushes: 9-31-3.4
1H Passes: 15-56-3.7

2H Total Plays: 41
2H Rushes: 20-102-5.1
2H Passes: 21-250-12

But the Giants had 14 pass completions of 10+ yards in the second half. They aired it out, and simply just functioned much better as offense, on the ground and in the air. Half vs. half, the number that sticks out is the 4X increase in YPR.

The Giants starter averaged +9 IAY/PA in 4 games last year: Arizona, Washington, Washington, and the finale vs. Philly.

There's nothing surprising by that -- against the 2 worst defenses (and presumably least talented) the Giants took deeper shots. The Philly game we can throw out, it was a "fuck it, just throw the ball" game for the Giants.
Anyone with  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/16/2024 6:32 am : link
with a basic understanding of football understands the value of the running game. QB's certainly do and every season multiple HC's will discuss it. Romo often talks about how critical the run game is in the playoffs.

High carries/ypc you are sitting in a great spot. It's clear when you look at the game in wins/losses (percentages) and QB performance. Down/distance, keeping r/p option in play, pass protection, etc. all benefit.

Run the ball/stop the run is about as basic as it gets in football for good reason. Historically, more critical in the NFC imv.
 
christian : 6/16/2024 7:19 am : link
No one is debating the value/non-value of running the football. You can save that rant for another, more applicable, thread.

Eric made the statement that the Giants played a higher risk style of football, and we're debating what constitutes risk.

Do you have an opinion on the actual subject being debated?
RE: Anyone with  
ThomasG : 6/16/2024 7:44 am : link
In comment 16537725 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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with a basic understanding of football understands the value of the running game. QB's certainly do and every season multiple HC's will discuss it. Romo often talks about how critical the run game is in the playoffs.

High carries/ypc you are sitting in a great spot. It's clear when you look at the game in wins/losses (percentages) and QB performance. Down/distance, keeping r/p option in play, pass protection, etc. all benefit.

Run the ball/stop the run is about as basic as it gets in football for good reason. Historically, more critical in the NFC imv.


I have also heard that having a competent FG Kicker, knowing when to utilize time-outs and getting guys lined up on the LoS promptly all are valuable parts of the game too.

Properly scheduling flight or bus times for away games probably should be on that list too. Can't get more critical than that.
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christian : 6/16/2024 8:02 am : link
In comment 16537739 ThomasG said:
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I have also heard that having a competent FG Kicker, knowing when to utilize time-outs and getting guys lined up on the LoS promptly all are valuable parts of the game too.

Properly scheduling flight or bus times for away games probably should be on that list too. Can't get more critical than that.

I'd add shoes, human beings, and oxygen.

This message is brought to you by the great Tony Romo

I prefer  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/17/2024 8:37 am : link
the "mo stories you hear".....like the Christian "I'm retired/semi=-retired" one that seems to be repeated often without anyone ever asking. Something is a bit off....

christian : 2/27/2024 10:49 am : link
I view college for my son like any other commercial purchase. He's a great kid, works hard, and I want the best for him. But when the time comes to get his first car, he's getting the Volvo, not a new Ferrari. We can't afford a Ferrari. Mind you, my son is 2.
 
christian : 6/17/2024 9:18 am : link
Your obsession with me is both charming and alarming.

For someone not interested in my stories, it's strange that you repeat them daily. You talk about my personal success more than my mom.

Wait, is that you Mom?

On a serious note, in addition to data scientists, I'm always looking for PR people to help with the consultancy. You have my contact, shoot a me message.
I find you  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/17/2024 11:07 am : link
obsessed with telling stories with an awful lot of "inflation". For some reason you keep telling me directly that story. I guess you are missing the big red flag with your story. I didn't.

I don't align myself with people who have red flags so don't ask me again. More red flags tend to follow. Thank you.
RE: I find you  
christian : 6/17/2024 11:42 am : link
In comment 16538272 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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obsessed with telling stories with an awful lot of "inflation".

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but again, I appreciate you retelling my successes repeatedly. We all know I am a bit of a narcissist, but even I'm getting a little embarrassed at this point.

I'm not sure what kind of car my kid will inherit has to do with a thread on Brian Daboll, but all press is good press as they say.

Here's what I recommend: you keep talking about me and my personal life on every thread and I'll send you a Edible Arrangement shaped as a pom pom, for my little favorite cheerleader. Fair?
Dabs  
TyreeHelmet : 6/17/2024 11:50 am : link
I think he's a good NFL coach with a chance to be a top one.

I have a lot more concerns and worries with Schoen.
I would say  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/17/2024 3:09 pm : link
extreme narcissist Christian but...

Anyway, I don't find someone retired and not being able to afford a Ferrari impressive (being kind). Tell your story to someone else and not me directly moving forward. Don't tell me to look at your background again. It's creepy. Thanks.
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christian : 6/17/2024 3:34 pm : link
In comment 16538432 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Anyway, I don't find someone retired and not being able to afford a Ferrari impressive (being kind). Tell your story to someone else and not me directly moving forward. Don't tell me to look at your background again. It's creepy. Thanks.

I genuinely appreciate all of the attention you pay me. It's flattering.

For example, in this thread, where you so kindly retrieved this quote from me.

Now, I have no idea what it had to do with this thread and a debate on the risk profile of play calling. But I appreciate the portion of your mind I occupy. Kind of random, but I like it.

Look, you're a data savant, and I was just showing you I was serious that I could help you land a gig in the applied data fields.

But alas even the data scientists I know who've retired can't afford Ferraris, so it's probably a little low paying of a field for you.

Now what is a little creepy is you digging out a quote from a thread that wasn't remotely addressing you, directed at you, or involving you. And you perceiving the story was for you. Obsessed much?
Quote from thread not about you, XoXo - ( New Window )
Entertaining thread  
arniefez : 6/17/2024 3:56 pm : link
Brian Daboll did a bad job last year. I hope he improves this year because the Giants going through coaches every 2 or 3 years is not working.
Did you see the comment  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/17/2024 4:00 pm : link
on that thread that I made? That was my path and I only put my comment on the thread as a potential solution to the topic. That is how I knew about your comment.

You just confirmed confirmed what I already knew on that thread. One big story teller. Fugazi.

I just never said anything to you and now I have.
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christian : 6/17/2024 4:12 pm : link
So your perception is a post I added to a thread, before you participated in the thread, was directed to you?

That is some next level analysis. I truly do wish the faits had conspired and you could've worked for me. To watch your mind work would have been something to marvel at.

Never change pumpkin. I'm here 24-7. I've got the time. If you can hunt down some other quotes not directed at you and have nothing to do with the topic, bring them on!
RE: RE: Stapleton’s point is true  
santacruzom : 6/17/2024 5:24 pm : link
In comment 16536985 Sean said:
Quote:

At some point, coaches need to be given a chance here. Everyone loves Vrabel, well why is he 13-21 in his last two seasons?


This is a forum with many people who elevate the significance of Jones' one winning season that featured a playoff win over the Vikings, so surely they can all ignore Vrabel's past two years in favor of his successful years prior to them.
RE: the talent constraints year 1 helped them have a good year  
giantstock : 6/18/2024 1:01 pm : link
In comment 16537386 Eric on Li said:
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if you see what Houston is doing this offseason, it's a pretty well accepted thing that to not regress after a surprising year 1 you need to really up the talent quotient. the NYG tried that but failed. sophomore slumps are a thing bc it is hard to win in pro sports, and harder yet to do it twice in a row.

this year is the 2nd chance and it appears that they have made a lot of adjustments. new playcallers in all 3 phases and a lot of veterans gone. in the last 2 years/3 offseasons this regime has not only hand selected all the players but lived through what worked and what didnt. either they effectively learned from all of that and made good choices this year or they didnt.


Houston and Giants were in much diferent situation. They have a superstar probale QB that fits the style that wins mostly in the NFL.

The Giants shouldn't get a pass because they were stupid with their 2nd year assessment. It's their job to be right especially with the way they won which was more running and so many tight games. Part of being good is understanding / self-aware what your team is.

Please let's stop giving them excuses. They were stupid year 2. Comparing them ot Houston is apples to oranges and just more excuse making.
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