Coughlin will get into Canton right?

He also did real well for when Jacksonville was merely an expansion team

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And if not for the NFL then absolutely the Human Being HOF.

I'll always remember the Mara handshake snub.

If he had beef with you, it was you. Not him.

selection process!

Floyd Little! He was a great coach, he got the most out of his players once they bought into his program.

He's a lock. Very good job with the Jags, and had an 8 year stretch with the Giants with no losing seasons and two championships. Impeccable human being and a great coach.

In comment 16537583 christian said:

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He's a lock. Very good job with the Jags, and had an 8 year stretch with the Giants with no losing seasons and two championships. Impeccable human being and a great coach.

+1

100%

then no. But stunning the 17-0 Pats should guarantee it.

a picture of his red frozen face during that playoff game in Green Bay deserves to be in.

4 with the Giants? Or is it 3?

Then a pretty damn good job with Jax for a while.

Plus, his presence. Has to factor some.

i don't like to make negative comparisons, but if Dungy is in than Coughlin should definitely be in.

I don't have a vote

But, I am biased and NOT on the selection/voting committees.

I don’t get worked up about Hall of Fame, Ring of Honor, retired numbers or any of that stuff. Nice for the person who gets the honor.

Coughlin will probably get in. Good for him. Same for Eli. Tiki Barber’s not quite as probable. Good for them if they get the call.

After he dies most likely

Fairly mediocre regular season record and a terrible last few years in the league say, "Reply hazy, ask again later"

Good record overall, well regarded as an assistant coach then successful head coach for 2 franchises, and the cherry on top is his 2 Super Bowl wins were epic games against the Belichick/Brady Pats

Just a shame he couldn’t get in before his wife passed

but as others have said it is a TBD when that is. I could see some voters harp on some more negative aspects in the overall body of work.

The league seems to understand that the Giants front office had some "issues" which should play to his favor imv.

Great leader and man. That Jay Fund is still going and I think it is at about the 30 year mark. Unfortunate Judy won't be with him when he does go in.

In comment 16537637 markky said:

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i don't like to make negative comparisons, but if Dungy is in than Coughlin should definitely be in.

I don't think Coughlin should absolutely be in the HoF except for the case of who else is (like a Dungy).

to get in first. I think Shanahan and Coughlin are probably closer, but I guess maybe give Coughlin an edge due to taking an expansion team to a conference championship in year 2 and going to 2 in 5 years with them.

It's kind of cool to realize in NFL history only 35 different coaches have won a Lombardi, and just 13 people have done it multiple times. I have to think as just 1 of 13 to do something it gives you some serious ammo.

Coughlin, Seifert and Shanahan are the only coaches eligible for HOF selection that have won twice (at least) but are not in the HOF.

I initially felt like Seifert road Walsh's coat tails, but once I looked in more detail, once Walsh retired, Seifert led SF to two SB wins and 5 championship games in 6 years. I can't put all that on Walsh.

Coughlin's candidacy is similar in some regards to Eli's eerily enough, only 13 QB's have won multiple SB's, just like 13 coaches have. But only Jim Plunkett, who is eligible, is not in the HOF. Players like Mahomes obviously not eligible. Just like Reid isn't as a coach.

to, Dungy was historic, he was the first black head coach to win a Super Bowl. So if you do decide to compare the two, it's not just a statistical comparison that makes sense.

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4 with the Giants? Or is it 3? Then a pretty damn good job with Jax for a while. Plus, his presence. Has to factor some.

He has 3 rings altogether with the Giants.

In comment 16537747 pjcas18 said:

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to get in first. I think Shanahan and Coughlin are probably closer, but I guess maybe give Coughlin an edge due to taking an expansion team to a conference championship in year 2 and going to 2 in 5 years with them. It's kind of cool to realize in NFL history only 35 different coaches have won a Lombardi, and just 13 people have done it multiple times. I have to think as just 1 of 13 to do something it gives you some serious ammo. Coughlin, Seifert and Shanahan are the only coaches eligible for HOF selection that have won twice (at least) but are not in the HOF. I initially felt like Seifert road Walsh's coat tails, but once I looked in more detail, once Walsh retired, Seifert led SF to two SB wins and 5 championship games in 6 years. I can't put all that on Walsh. Coughlin's candidacy is similar in some regards to Eli's eerily enough, only 13 QB's have won multiple SB's, just like 13 coaches have. But only Jim Plunkett, who is eligible, is not in the HOF. Players like Mahomes obviously not eligible. Just like Reid isn't as a coach.

lol *rode* whatever, no one reads this shit anyway.

In comment 16537751 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 16537747 pjcas18 said: Quote: to get in first. I think Shanahan and Coughlin are probably closer, but I guess maybe give Coughlin an edge due to taking an expansion team to a conference championship in year 2 and going to 2 in 5 years with them. It's kind of cool to realize in NFL history only 35 different coaches have won a Lombardi, and just 13 people have done it multiple times. I have to think as just 1 of 13 to do something it gives you some serious ammo. Coughlin, Seifert and Shanahan are the only coaches eligible for HOF selection that have won twice (at least) but are not in the HOF. I initially felt like Seifert road Walsh's coat tails, but once I looked in more detail, once Walsh retired, Seifert led SF to two SB wins and 5 championship games in 6 years. I can't put all that on Walsh. Coughlin's candidacy is similar in some regards to Eli's eerily enough, only 13 QB's have won multiple SB's, just like 13 coaches have. But only Jim Plunkett, who is eligible, is not in the HOF. Players like Mahomes obviously not eligible. Just like Reid isn't as a coach. lol *rode* whatever, no one reads this shit anyway.

LOL

Hall handles Head Coach candidacies. But two Super Bowls, and the build of the Jaguars into two AFC Champ games early in their existence likely at least gets him nominations.

I'd say he is 55/45 yes.

will both be interesting, pros & cons on each. I would say yes to both but then as a Giants fan I am biased.

that it was mostly his team when he left.

A very putrid team.

That has to be factored in, along with the SB rings.

He had a borderline HOF QB, and the team got worse, to the point of being non competitive.

Usually, pair a HOF coach with a HOF QB things go much better.

Some would consider him better than the TUNA.

I'm prolly one of them.

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before he dies.

No doubt about it. Hopefully soon

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that it was mostly his team when he left. A very putrid team. That has to be factored in, along with the SB rings. He had a borderline HOF QB, and the team got worse, to the point of being non competitive. Usually, pair a HOF coach with a HOF QB things go much better.

They won 2 super bowls.

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Should be in. In addition to the Giants SB wins, he basically built Jacksonville from scratch and had them challenge early on. An incredible feat.

When he left the Giants and was considered for the Eagles HC position, if hired thought he would have won there too.

there are very few coaches from the modern era clearly better than him. i think he is on the level of other SB winners like carroll and tomlin.

obviously a level below reid/belichick.

with his feet up on his desk (after the SB win against the 18-0 patriots) ... and on the white board behind him (written in black ink) -


"Mission accomplished"

It was the best ....

I'm not sure how many coaches have won 2 Super Bowls and not made it (if any) but the fact that he really built the Jacksonville franchise up and into a fast contender really needs to be taken into account.

It was sad to see that his career came to a fizzle at the end however I think he took the heat for some of Jerry Reese's really bad rosters.

In comment 16538160 Biteymax22 said:

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I'm not sure how many coaches have won 2 Super Bowls and not made it (if any) but the fact that he really built the Jacksonville franchise up and into a fast contender really needs to be taken into account. It was sad to see that his career came to a fizzle at the end however I think he took the heat for some of Jerry Reese's really bad rosters.

I posted above (lol which I also said no one reads), there are 3 people who have won 2 SB's as a head coach and are not yet in the HOF (13 total eligible):

Coughlin
Shanahan
Seifert

I think Seifert has a better resume than Coughlin, though you could argue about how much of that resume was self-made vs Walsh, but I think Seifert has earned it. I think Coughlin is close to Shanahan and maybe gets in over him for the reasons mentioned (an expansion team to the conference championship in two or however many years - also which I said no one reads, lol)

two coaches with at least 2 rings are not yet eligible - Belichick and Reid.

other HOF coaches with as many bad seasons on their resume as TC. But the high points were good enough to probably get him in. However his winning % would likely rank close to the bottom of other HOF coaches.

In comment 16538171 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 16538160 Biteymax22 said: Quote: I'm not sure how many coaches have won 2 Super Bowls and not made it (if any) but the fact that he really built the Jacksonville franchise up and into a fast contender really needs to be taken into account. It was sad to see that his career came to a fizzle at the end however I think he took the heat for some of Jerry Reese's really bad rosters. I posted above (lol which I also said no one reads), there are 3 people who have won 2 SB's as a head coach and are not yet in the HOF (13 total eligible): Coughlin Shanahan Seifert I think Seifert has a better resume than Coughlin, though you could argue about how much of that resume was self-made vs Walsh, but I think Seifert has earned it. I think Coughlin is close to Shanahan and maybe gets in over him for the reasons mentioned (an expansion team to the conference championship in two or however many years - also which I said no one reads, lol) two coaches with at least 2 rings are not yet eligible - Belichick and Reid.

I'm not sure about Seifert, but I think Shanahan eventually gets in. In addition to the Super Bowl wins, he has a good "coaching tree" underneath him and also made a huge impact on how the NFL views and utilizes the running game.

In comment 16537864 fkap said:

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that it was mostly his team when he left. A very putrid team. That has to be factored in, along with the SB rings. He had a borderline HOF QB, and the team got worse, to the point of being non competitive. Usually, pair a HOF coach with a HOF QB things go much better.

This doesn’t make any sense.

teams went to 5 NFC Championship games in 6 years and won 2 Super Bowls.

And you think Coughlin deserves to get in over him?

Tough sell IMO even with 2 HOF QBs.

but then again, Seifert has been eligible for a long time and is not in, so there's that.

will have the impact on HOF voters a lot of you seem to think it will. He'll get in or not get in based on his accomplishments with the Giants.

I think he gets in eventually, but it could take a long while, a la Tom Flores.

In comment 16538226 Greg from LI said:

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will have the impact on HOF voters a lot of you seem to think it will. He'll get in or not get in based on his accomplishments with the Giants. I think he gets in eventually, but it could take a long while, a la Tom Flores.

The totality of his career is definitely in play. Yes, his job as HC with the Giants will be the largest part, without question. But building an expansion team to playoff quality in two season is definitely in play.

He was a head coach for twenty years and only had ten winning seasons. His winning percentage is only .531, twenty wins over .500 in 320 total games.

Whoop-dee-doo

In comment 16538239 Gary from The East End said:

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He was a head coach for twenty years and only had ten winning seasons. His winning percentage is only .531, twenty wins over .500 in 320 total games.

He started with an expansion team, that alone explains a portion of the losing seasons. Don’t think his win % will mean much because of it, and taking the Jags as far as he did, and that quickly, offsets it as well.

I think TC's case is better than Eli's but Eli is way more likely to actually get in.

I'd vote for both personally.

I don't get how any Giant fan could put down Coughlin. He had a great 8 year run here. He won 2 super bowls here. He actually has 3 super bowl titles with NYG.

I get the sense some of the NYG fans who love the Parcells years like to prop down Coughlin. Strange to me. They are both great; they were both great eras of the franchise.

It's not like Parcells wasn't without criticism. Quits in May before the 1991 season after no one is available. Coaches the fucking Cowboys. I love Parcells, but there is no reason to prop up Parcells vs Coughlin. They are both great.