Just watched his 'A Football Life' for the first time. I know his last couple of seasons here were rough ones, but the man was one helluva coach for us & is a HOFer IMO.
Nice to hear Fred Taylor & Strahan-who both detested TC at first-come to really appreciate him. Also, his love of Judy/hers of him made me smile.
And if not for the NFL then absolutely the Human Being HOF.
I'll always remember the Mara handshake snub.
If he had beef with you, it was you. Not him.
+1
Then a pretty damn good job with Jax for a while.
Plus, his presence. Has to factor some.
Coughlin will probably get in. Good for him. Same for Eli. Tiki Barber’s not quite as probable. Good for them if they get the call.
Just a shame he couldn’t get in before his wife passed
The league seems to understand that the Giants front office had some "issues" which should play to his favor imv.
Great leader and man. That Jay Fund is still going and I think it is at about the 30 year mark. Unfortunate Judy won't be with him when he does go in.
I don't think Coughlin should absolutely be in the HoF except for the case of who else is (like a Dungy).
It's kind of cool to realize in NFL history only 35 different coaches have won a Lombardi, and just 13 people have done it multiple times. I have to think as just 1 of 13 to do something it gives you some serious ammo.
Coughlin, Seifert and Shanahan are the only coaches eligible for HOF selection that have won twice (at least) but are not in the HOF.
I initially felt like Seifert road Walsh's coat tails, but once I looked in more detail, once Walsh retired, Seifert led SF to two SB wins and 5 championship games in 6 years. I can't put all that on Walsh.
Coughlin's candidacy is similar in some regards to Eli's eerily enough, only 13 QB's have won multiple SB's, just like 13 coaches have. But only Jim Plunkett, who is eligible, is not in the HOF. Players like Mahomes obviously not eligible. Just like Reid isn't as a coach.
Then a pretty damn good job with Jax for a while.
Plus, his presence. Has to factor some.
He has 3 rings altogether with the Giants.
It's kind of cool to realize in NFL history only 35 different coaches have won a Lombardi, and just 13 people have done it multiple times. I have to think as just 1 of 13 to do something it gives you some serious ammo.
Coughlin, Seifert and Shanahan are the only coaches eligible for HOF selection that have won twice (at least) but are not in the HOF.
I initially felt like Seifert road Walsh's coat tails, but once I looked in more detail, once Walsh retired, Seifert led SF to two SB wins and 5 championship games in 6 years. I can't put all that on Walsh.
Coughlin's candidacy is similar in some regards to Eli's eerily enough, only 13 QB's have won multiple SB's, just like 13 coaches have. But only Jim Plunkett, who is eligible, is not in the HOF. Players like Mahomes obviously not eligible. Just like Reid isn't as a coach.
lol *rode* whatever, no one reads this shit anyway.
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to get in first. I think Shanahan and Coughlin are probably closer, but I guess maybe give Coughlin an edge due to taking an expansion team to a conference championship in year 2 and going to 2 in 5 years with them.
It's kind of cool to realize in NFL history only 35 different coaches have won a Lombardi, and just 13 people have done it multiple times. I have to think as just 1 of 13 to do something it gives you some serious ammo.
Coughlin, Seifert and Shanahan are the only coaches eligible for HOF selection that have won twice (at least) but are not in the HOF.
I initially felt like Seifert road Walsh's coat tails, but once I looked in more detail, once Walsh retired, Seifert led SF to two SB wins and 5 championship games in 6 years. I can't put all that on Walsh.
Coughlin's candidacy is similar in some regards to Eli's eerily enough, only 13 QB's have won multiple SB's, just like 13 coaches have. But only Jim Plunkett, who is eligible, is not in the HOF. Players like Mahomes obviously not eligible. Just like Reid isn't as a coach.
lol *rode* whatever, no one reads this shit anyway.
LOL
I'd say he is 55/45 yes.
Dungy
Seasons Coached: 13
Winning Seasons: 11
Win Percentage : .668 (13th best all time)
Playoff Seasons: 11
Playoff Wins : 9
Superbowls won : 1
Coughlin
Seasons Coached: 20
Winning Seasons: 10
Win Percentage : .531 (77th best all time)
Playoff Seasons: 9
Playoff Wins : 12
Superbowls won : 2
A very putrid team.
That has to be factored in, along with the SB rings.
He had a borderline HOF QB, and the team got worse, to the point of being non competitive.
Usually, pair a HOF coach with a HOF QB things go much better.
I'm prolly one of them.
A very putrid team.
That has to be factored in, along with the SB rings.
He had a borderline HOF QB, and the team got worse, to the point of being non competitive.
Usually, pair a HOF coach with a HOF QB things go much better.
They won 2 super bowls.
When he left the Giants and was considered for the Eagles HC position, if hired thought he would have won there too.
obviously a level below reid/belichick.
"Mission accomplished"
It was the best ....
It was sad to see that his career came to a fizzle at the end however I think he took the heat for some of Jerry Reese's really bad rosters.
It was sad to see that his career came to a fizzle at the end however I think he took the heat for some of Jerry Reese's really bad rosters.
I posted above (lol which I also said no one reads), there are 3 people who have won 2 SB's as a head coach and are not yet in the HOF (13 total eligible):
Coughlin
Shanahan
Seifert
I think Seifert has a better resume than Coughlin, though you could argue about how much of that resume was self-made vs Walsh, but I think Seifert has earned it. I think Coughlin is close to Shanahan and maybe gets in over him for the reasons mentioned (an expansion team to the conference championship in two or however many years - also which I said no one reads, lol)
two coaches with at least 2 rings are not yet eligible - Belichick and Reid.
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I'm not sure how many coaches have won 2 Super Bowls and not made it (if any) but the fact that he really built the Jacksonville franchise up and into a fast contender really needs to be taken into account.
It was sad to see that his career came to a fizzle at the end however I think he took the heat for some of Jerry Reese's really bad rosters.
I posted above (lol which I also said no one reads), there are 3 people who have won 2 SB's as a head coach and are not yet in the HOF (13 total eligible):
Coughlin
Shanahan
Seifert
I think Seifert has a better resume than Coughlin, though you could argue about how much of that resume was self-made vs Walsh, but I think Seifert has earned it. I think Coughlin is close to Shanahan and maybe gets in over him for the reasons mentioned (an expansion team to the conference championship in two or however many years - also which I said no one reads, lol)
two coaches with at least 2 rings are not yet eligible - Belichick and Reid.
I'm not sure about Seifert, but I think Shanahan eventually gets in. In addition to the Super Bowl wins, he has a good "coaching tree" underneath him and also made a huge impact on how the NFL views and utilizes the running game.
A very putrid team.
That has to be factored in, along with the SB rings.
He had a borderline HOF QB, and the team got worse, to the point of being non competitive.
Usually, pair a HOF coach with a HOF QB things go much better.
This doesn’t make any sense.
And you think Coughlin deserves to get in over him?
Tough sell IMO even with 2 HOF QBs.
but then again, Seifert has been eligible for a long time and is not in, so there's that.
I think he gets in eventually, but it could take a long while, a la Tom Flores.
I think he gets in eventually, but it could take a long while, a la Tom Flores.
The totality of his career is definitely in play. Yes, his job as HC with the Giants will be the largest part, without question. But building an expansion team to playoff quality in two season is definitely in play.
He started with an expansion team, that alone explains a portion of the losing seasons. Don’t think his win % will mean much because of it, and taking the Jags as far as he did, and that quickly, offsets it as well.
I'd vote for both personally.
I get the sense some of the NYG fans who love the Parcells years like to prop down Coughlin. Strange to me. They are both great; they were both great eras of the franchise.
It's not like Parcells wasn't without criticism. Quits in May before the 1991 season after no one is available. Coaches the fucking Cowboys. I love Parcells, but there is no reason to prop up Parcells vs Coughlin. They are both great.