Reese is a jealous, petty person. And, the veterans running their mouths and playing dirty are the same. No matter what Reese says, they stats (ratings, attendance, etc.) tell the truth. Nobody is watching for her. Right or wrong, Clark has garnered a whole new level of interest for the league, for which all the players are benefitting. Anybody that doesn't like it should go play overseas.
And, with all this new interest, the league is still hemorrhaging money. They are all lucky to have jobs at all. If the NBA decides tomorrow to cut off subsidizing the WNBA, the league folds by the end of the year.
The cynic in me wonders how much of this (not that particular foul, which was reckless) is WWE Kayfabe. The WNBA gets more attention with everyone hating on Clark versus everyone loving her, methinks.
The reffing is absolutely abysmal. They go from calling ticky tack calls to calling nothing all in the same game. I also am shocked when they'll review a call and still get it wrong.
These women think it’s a fashion show and they are all copycats imitating each other with spandex. Tatoos. Eyelashes different color hair. Etc
They all bitch and whine and complain instead of playing basketball
These women think it’s a fashion show and they are all copycats imitating each other with spandex. Tatoos. Eyelashes different color hair. Etc
They all bitch and whine and complain instead of playing basketball
I have zero interest in watching.
it's a female version of the NBA which I also don't watch.
These women think it’s a fashion show and they are all copycats imitating each other with spandex. Tatoos. Eyelashes different color hair. Etc
They all bitch and whine and complain instead of playing basketball
I have zero interest in watching.
it's a female version of the NBA which I also don't watch.
They miss wind open shots right under the basket like crazy. No matter the personalities or controversy or whatever....the league will never grow with that kind of play.
I'm sorry but if you've got two teams missing 4 or 5 layups a game no one is going to watch that.
and I think the quality has steadily improved over time. Most players weren't shooting or hitting 3s in the 90s, now most players on the court are at least passable at shooting. With notable exceptions (such as the crybaby currently in the Finals), most great players try very hard on defense and some of them are great at it.
I agree that the quality of the WNBA is meh. However I also find most college basketball and football to also be low quality, and that doesn't stop tons of people from enjoying those sports, even if they don't have alma mater allegiances.
It's probably a net benefit for society that there are women's professional sports leagues.
because they were the people to start the anti-clark stuff. Only true bigots are making that about race.
They'd rather the league be unpopular, because it will always leave them the window to pretend the problem is everyone else and their biases. Once people start tuning in, then they have to start succeeding on their merits. They don't appreciate that.
As Chris Rock once observed, there are three ways to get attention in America - be notorious, be a victim, or be great at something. Being great at something is hard. Being a victim isn't.
Like it, don’t like it. But let’s not pretend is more than that. There are women’s sports I like but I don’t find basketball to be a sport that displays women’s talents as well as some others. The anti Clark stuff is ugly for a number of reasons.
I'm still waiting for Angel reese to run, she lumbers up
and down the court. Her game is 5 ft in and she misses so many easy shots then gets her own rebounds which pad her stats. She thinks she's a beauty queen but looks like ET or could star in Avatar
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
Like it, don’t like it. But let’s not pretend is more than that. There are women’s sports I like but I don’t find basketball to be a sport that displays women’s talents as well as some others. The anti Clark stuff is ugly for a number of reasons.
Not to Miller the thread, but I don't understand why women's softball doesn't get more attention. It's a fast game. the pitchers look unhittable but somehow the batters get hits. it's basically MLB circa 1968. Way better than the wnba.
because they were the people to start the anti-clark stuff. Only true bigots are making that about race.
Taurasi is a hypocrite. She made team USA right out of college and praises how the veterans took her under their wings and helped her learn the international game. Then she says Clark shouldn't make it b/c she doesn't know the international game and isn't a veteran.
She's complaining about "special whistles" but the flagrant was lucky it was a flagrant 1. She wound up, never played the ball, and swiped clear across Clark's head. She's a dirty player and praises dirty play. She thinks she has a "role" as the villain.
Nobody is tuning in to watch her and she isn't anywhere near the player Clark is. She is good. Clark is great. She is the best player to come out of college in a long time.
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
They miss wind open shots right under the basket like crazy. No matter the personalities or controversy or whatever....the league will never grow with that kind of play.
I'm sorry but if you've got two teams missing 4 or 5 layups a game no one is going to watch that.
My buddy bet on the game they played a few weeks ago and I happened to be on the phone with him. So I watched it as well. It was absolutely terrible. They're missing shots that high schoolers are making and I'm not talking the high schoolers that go to the NBA. I couldn't believe how bad they were.
So far, this is not the case. Fever started the season with 7 straight sellouts, lead the WNBA attendance by a wide margin and also lead road attendance.
I'm sure high school teams are hitting logo threes going to their left like Sabrina and Caitlin do. You guys just can't give these women credit for anything. It would be too hard for your fragile egos to handle.
bricking layup’s. Obviously the other players are jealous and petty, even to their own detriment. It’s human nature, but it’s annoying her own coach and teammates aren’t coming to her aid. Neither is the league in general. In fact, it seems only the male NBA athletes are calling the rest of the league out.
Even McNutt has a poor take on this, and I generally like her.
I don't watch the WNBA, so when I saw this thread, I decided to look
at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
Smoke any team in the wnba. It’s ok. Men and boys play men and boys leagues and women and girls play women and girl’s leagues. Everything is fine that way. My issue is that the women’s college and wnba games are not compelling to me. I’ve tried watching but it’s just not very good and it’s slow. When I watch sports I want to see the best. Women’s is not that.
at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
I think it's perfectly fair to say that Clark is somewhat overhyped. But whatever her talent level relative to the hype she's getting, the WNBA just isn't in a position to treat badly the biggest cash cow it's ever had. It just makes the look-in audience wonder why they ought to take this league seriously.
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
“Murica at its finest”
What’s that supposed to mean?
It’s pretty simple - corporations prioritizing profits at the deliberate expense of their employees.
What did YOU think it meant.
RE: RE: I don't watch the WNBA, so when I saw this thread, I decided to look
at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
I think it's perfectly fair to say that Clark is somewhat overhyped. But whatever her talent level relative to the hype she's getting, the WNBA just isn't in a position to treat badly the biggest cash cow it's ever had. It just makes the look-in audience wonder why they ought to take this league seriously.
Is it fair to say that she’s overhyped after only 10 games or so? Not only has he had to adjust to pro level talent immediately after finishing a long college season but has also had to deal with an awful lot of bullying that the league has allowed. Along with the scrutiny that she’s been under. I think she’s doing an amazing job considering all of that. The rest of your comment I agree with.
It’s like people thought that she would walk into the league and be the #1 player from game 1 of her pro career. That’s unfair. And completely unrealistic.
loves it. I think there is a lot of old people, men and women, who like women's basketball. He says he appreciates the fundamentals and it reminds him of old school basketball with the teamwork and style of play.
My father started as a Uconn women's fan (he's always been a Uconn men's hoops fan as an alum - it was always Uconn's big sport even if it was just NIT goals vs NCAA plus with Scott Burrell being a neighbor of ours and classmate of mine, his interest became rekindled in the 90's) and when the women's team got good he became a fan of them too.
He still watches them religiously (Uconn women) and when they began graduating players to the WNBA (Taurasi, Bird, etc,) he began watching them in the WNBA.
it's not about beating the men or even boys. there are probably 300 boys high school teams who would beat a WNBA team if not more (probably more) - my HS team was mid and we had an NBA player on it plus an almost 7-footer - physically the women cannot compete it's a simple fact, but it's about how they compete with each other and creating an interesting entertainment product.
Which is where my problem with the WNBA exists. I have nothing against WNBA players and I admire their talent, but where does the entitlement come from? they want charter flights, security, salary beyond what the market bears, and to be treated like superstars. The WNBA is projected to lose $50M in 2024 alone.
IMO, they should earn what they want. So far they haven't done it, the league is what 25 or 30 years old and surviving on subsidies? I kind of view them like the old NFL teams from the early 1970's. If you believe my father, and I do, he says a lot of the players from an NFL roster in the 70's had to work jobs in the off-season to make ends meet. Put those dues in, keep building and increasing the talent level, make a compelling product, and the market will follow and with it comes everything else. but it seems like they want to jump to the outcome without putting in the work.
There are enough entertainment dollars for people to be interesting in consuming something else if it is compelling.
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
RE: I don't watch the WNBA, so when I saw this thread, I decided to look
at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
Overhyped? She's done things as a rookie that nobody else has done or 1 other person has done in the history of the league. She is just now starting to figure out the physicality of the league and also her and Boston are starting to get some real chemistry.
RE: RE: RE: I don't watch the WNBA, so when I saw this thread, I decided to look
at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
I think it's perfectly fair to say that Clark is somewhat overhyped. But whatever her talent level relative to the hype she's getting, the WNBA just isn't in a position to treat badly the biggest cash cow it's ever had. It just makes the look-in audience wonder why they ought to take this league seriously.
Is it fair to say that she’s overhyped after only 10 games or so? Not only has he had to adjust to pro level talent immediately after finishing a long college season but has also had to deal with an awful lot of bullying that the league has allowed. Along with the scrutiny that she’s been under. I think she’s doing an amazing job considering all of that. The rest of your comment I agree with.
It’s like people thought that she would walk into the league and be the #1 player from game 1 of her pro career. That’s unfair. And completely unrealistic.
You can probably name a few former WNBA rookies who came into the league more pro-ready that Caitlin Clark, but quite honestly, I struggle to think of any who came into the league with bigger expectations.
And that's kinda the point. The level of hype might have been unfair, given what the expectations reasonably should've been, and Clark hasn't exactly been the driving force behind her own hype, but at the end of the day overhype is overhype, even if it's coming from people who don't really understand what they're talking about.
loves it. I think there is a lot of old people, men and women, who like women's basketball. He says he appreciates the fundamentals and it reminds him of old school basketball with the teamwork and style of play.
My father started as a Uconn women's fan (he's always been a Uconn men's hoops fan as an alum - it was always Uconn's big sport even if it was just NIT goals vs NCAA plus with Scott Burrell being a neighbor of ours and classmate of mine, his interest became rekindled in the 90's) and when the women's team got good he became a fan of them too.
He still watches them religiously (Uconn women) and when they began graduating players to the WNBA (Taurasi, Bird, etc,) he began watching them in the WNBA.
it's not about beating the men or even boys. there are probably 300 boys high school teams who would beat a WNBA team if not more (probably more) - my HS team was mid and we had an NBA player on it plus an almost 7-footer - physically the women cannot compete it's a simple fact, but it's about how they compete with each other and creating an interesting entertainment product.
Which is where my problem with the WNBA exists. I have nothing against WNBA players and I admire their talent, but where does the entitlement come from? they want charter flights, security, salary beyond what the market bears, and to be treated like superstars. The WNBA is projected to lose $50M in 2024 alone.
IMO, they should earn what they want. So far they haven't done it, the league is what 25 or 30 years old and surviving on subsidies? I kind of view them like the old NFL teams from the early 1970's. If you believe my father, and I do, he says a lot of the players from an NFL roster in the 70's had to work jobs in the off-season to make ends meet. Put those dues in, keep building and increasing the talent level, make a compelling product, and the market will follow and with it comes everything else. but it seems like they want to jump to the outcome without putting in the work.
There are enough entertainment dollars for people to be interesting in consuming something else if it is compelling.
This is where I have a problem also. Salaries were not scrutinized before this year and no charter flights or security. Now, you have the league up in arms that it only came with Clark. How about a big thank you because your league still hemorrhages money every season. Just say thank you and play your game.
is the slew of players, fans, and media who want to pretend like she is some random phenomenon and hint that it's because she is white. Really? Are we to ignore that she is the best player to come out of college in a generation and she scored more points in women's college basketball ever? EVER.
She isn't a gimmick. She's fucking a great player.
In comment 16537930 CooperDash said:
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In comment 16537908 Greg from LI said:
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
“Murica at its finest”
What’s that supposed to mean?
It’s pretty simple - corporations prioritizing profits at the deliberate expense of their employees.
What did YOU think it meant.
I honestly didn’t know which is why I asked you the question
Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
In comment 16537930 CooperDash said:
[quote] In comment 16537916 Keaton028 said:
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In comment 16537908 Greg from LI said:
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
“Murica at its finest”
What’s that supposed to mean?
It’s pretty simple - corporations prioritizing profits at the deliberate expense of their employees.
What did YOU think it meant.
I honestly didn’t know which is why I asked you the question
Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
Look at the numbers with and without her. There is a reason the Fever lead the league in both home and road attendance, for example, with a losing record.
Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
Look at the numbers with and without her. There is a reason the Fever lead the league in both home and road attendance, for example, with a losing record.
Are you saying that no team other has had an increase in attendance or viewership in non-Fever games?
Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
Look at the numbers with and without her. There is a reason the Fever lead the league in both home and road attendance, for example, with a losing record.
Are you saying that no team other has had an increase in attendance or viewership in non-Fever games?
There has been an overall increase, but a significant difference in both TV viewership and attendance for Fever games. Vastly more people around the country are watching Clark/Fever than any other player/team.
salaries, I remember people being shocked, surprised and dismayed Clark was only going to earn $76,000 on her rookie salary (not endorsements or anything just her salary), but comparatively speaking the average XFL player made just $68,000 (plus health insurance) in 2023 and I think the XFL probably has similar viewership as the WNBA (with Clark - who as mentioned has contributed to triple the average viewership from last year - will it last?). The average WNBA salary is $120,000.
And, with all this new interest, the league is still hemorrhaging money. They are all lucky to have jobs at all. If the NBA decides tomorrow to cut off subsidizing the WNBA, the league folds by the end of the year.
The cynic in me wonders how much of this (not that particular foul, which was reckless) is WWE Kayfabe. The WNBA gets more attention with everyone hating on Clark versus everyone loving her, methinks.
They all bitch and whine and complain instead of playing basketball
I have zero interest in watching.
They all bitch and whine and complain instead of playing basketball
I have zero interest in watching.
it's a female version of the NBA which I also don't watch.
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They all bitch and whine and complain instead of playing basketball
I have zero interest in watching.
it's a female version of the NBA which I also don't watch.
Totally agree
I'm sorry but if you've got two teams missing 4 or 5 layups a game no one is going to watch that.
However, they would rather burn it all to the ground than let her be the reason for the success of the league.
If the roles were reversed, we would be hearing racism.
The WNBA is pretty awful, Clark is one of the only reasons to tune in and the other players are clearly pissed about it.
And the NBA is definitely not as good as its every been, not even close IMO.
I agree that the quality of the WNBA is meh. However I also find most college basketball and football to also be low quality, and that doesn't stop tons of people from enjoying those sports, even if they don't have alma mater allegiances.
It's probably a net benefit for society that there are women's professional sports leagues.
They'd rather the league be unpopular, because it will always leave them the window to pretend the problem is everyone else and their biases. Once people start tuning in, then they have to start succeeding on their merits. They don't appreciate that.
As Chris Rock once observed, there are three ways to get attention in America - be notorious, be a victim, or be great at something. Being great at something is hard. Being a victim isn't.
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
Not to Miller the thread, but I don't understand why women's softball doesn't get more attention. It's a fast game. the pitchers look unhittable but somehow the batters get hits. it's basically MLB circa 1968. Way better than the wnba.
And this year, Taurasi is not playing well.
Nobody is tuning in to watch her and she isn't anywhere near the player Clark is. She is good. Clark is great. She is the best player to come out of college in a long time.
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Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
“Murica at its finest”
What’s that supposed to mean?
I'm sorry but if you've got two teams missing 4 or 5 layups a game no one is going to watch that.
My buddy bet on the game they played a few weeks ago and I happened to be on the phone with him. So I watched it as well. It was absolutely terrible. They're missing shots that high schoolers are making and I'm not talking the high schoolers that go to the NBA. I couldn't believe how bad they were.
So far, this is not the case. Fever started the season with 7 straight sellouts, lead the WNBA attendance by a wide margin and also lead road attendance.
Clark:
23 ; 8 Reb; 9 assists
Clark ftw
Even McNutt has a poor take on this, and I generally like her.
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I think it's perfectly fair to say that Clark is somewhat overhyped. But whatever her talent level relative to the hype she's getting, the WNBA just isn't in a position to treat badly the biggest cash cow it's ever had. It just makes the look-in audience wonder why they ought to take this league seriously.
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In comment 16537908 Greg from LI said:
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
“Murica at its finest”
What’s that supposed to mean?
It’s pretty simple - corporations prioritizing profits at the deliberate expense of their employees.
What did YOU think it meant.
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at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
I think it's perfectly fair to say that Clark is somewhat overhyped. But whatever her talent level relative to the hype she's getting, the WNBA just isn't in a position to treat badly the biggest cash cow it's ever had. It just makes the look-in audience wonder why they ought to take this league seriously.
Is it fair to say that she’s overhyped after only 10 games or so? Not only has he had to adjust to pro level talent immediately after finishing a long college season but has also had to deal with an awful lot of bullying that the league has allowed. Along with the scrutiny that she’s been under. I think she’s doing an amazing job considering all of that. The rest of your comment I agree with.
It’s like people thought that she would walk into the league and be the #1 player from game 1 of her pro career. That’s unfair. And completely unrealistic.
My father started as a Uconn women's fan (he's always been a Uconn men's hoops fan as an alum - it was always Uconn's big sport even if it was just NIT goals vs NCAA plus with Scott Burrell being a neighbor of ours and classmate of mine, his interest became rekindled in the 90's) and when the women's team got good he became a fan of them too.
He still watches them religiously (Uconn women) and when they began graduating players to the WNBA (Taurasi, Bird, etc,) he began watching them in the WNBA.
it's not about beating the men or even boys. there are probably 300 boys high school teams who would beat a WNBA team if not more (probably more) - my HS team was mid and we had an NBA player on it plus an almost 7-footer - physically the women cannot compete it's a simple fact, but it's about how they compete with each other and creating an interesting entertainment product.
Which is where my problem with the WNBA exists. I have nothing against WNBA players and I admire their talent, but where does the entitlement come from? they want charter flights, security, salary beyond what the market bears, and to be treated like superstars. The WNBA is projected to lose $50M in 2024 alone.
IMO, they should earn what they want. So far they haven't done it, the league is what 25 or 30 years old and surviving on subsidies? I kind of view them like the old NFL teams from the early 1970's. If you believe my father, and I do, he says a lot of the players from an NFL roster in the 70's had to work jobs in the off-season to make ends meet. Put those dues in, keep building and increasing the talent level, make a compelling product, and the market will follow and with it comes everything else. but it seems like they want to jump to the outcome without putting in the work.
There are enough entertainment dollars for people to be interesting in consuming something else if it is compelling.
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
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In comment 16537946 Ira said:
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at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
I think it's perfectly fair to say that Clark is somewhat overhyped. But whatever her talent level relative to the hype she's getting, the WNBA just isn't in a position to treat badly the biggest cash cow it's ever had. It just makes the look-in audience wonder why they ought to take this league seriously.
Is it fair to say that she’s overhyped after only 10 games or so? Not only has he had to adjust to pro level talent immediately after finishing a long college season but has also had to deal with an awful lot of bullying that the league has allowed. Along with the scrutiny that she’s been under. I think she’s doing an amazing job considering all of that. The rest of your comment I agree with.
It’s like people thought that she would walk into the league and be the #1 player from game 1 of her pro career. That’s unfair. And completely unrealistic.
You can probably name a few former WNBA rookies who came into the league more pro-ready that Caitlin Clark, but quite honestly, I struggle to think of any who came into the league with bigger expectations.
And that's kinda the point. The level of hype might have been unfair, given what the expectations reasonably should've been, and Clark hasn't exactly been the driving force behind her own hype, but at the end of the day overhype is overhype, even if it's coming from people who don't really understand what they're talking about.
My father started as a Uconn women's fan (he's always been a Uconn men's hoops fan as an alum - it was always Uconn's big sport even if it was just NIT goals vs NCAA plus with Scott Burrell being a neighbor of ours and classmate of mine, his interest became rekindled in the 90's) and when the women's team got good he became a fan of them too.
He still watches them religiously (Uconn women) and when they began graduating players to the WNBA (Taurasi, Bird, etc,) he began watching them in the WNBA.
it's not about beating the men or even boys. there are probably 300 boys high school teams who would beat a WNBA team if not more (probably more) - my HS team was mid and we had an NBA player on it plus an almost 7-footer - physically the women cannot compete it's a simple fact, but it's about how they compete with each other and creating an interesting entertainment product.
Which is where my problem with the WNBA exists. I have nothing against WNBA players and I admire their talent, but where does the entitlement come from? they want charter flights, security, salary beyond what the market bears, and to be treated like superstars. The WNBA is projected to lose $50M in 2024 alone.
IMO, they should earn what they want. So far they haven't done it, the league is what 25 or 30 years old and surviving on subsidies? I kind of view them like the old NFL teams from the early 1970's. If you believe my father, and I do, he says a lot of the players from an NFL roster in the 70's had to work jobs in the off-season to make ends meet. Put those dues in, keep building and increasing the talent level, make a compelling product, and the market will follow and with it comes everything else. but it seems like they want to jump to the outcome without putting in the work.
There are enough entertainment dollars for people to be interesting in consuming something else if it is compelling.
She isn't a gimmick. She's fucking a great player.
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In comment 16537908 Greg from LI said:
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
“Murica at its finest”
What’s that supposed to mean?
It’s pretty simple - corporations prioritizing profits at the deliberate expense of their employees.
What did YOU think it meant.
I honestly didn’t know which is why I asked you the question
You answered the question
Thank you
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
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In comment 16537930 CooperDash said:
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In comment 16537908 Greg from LI said:
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
“Murica at its finest”
What’s that supposed to mean?
It’s pretty simple - corporations prioritizing profits at the deliberate expense of their employees.
What did YOU think it meant.
I honestly didn’t know which is why I asked you the question
You answered the question
Thank you
lol, all good man
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Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
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Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
Look at the numbers with and without her. There is a reason the Fever lead the league in both home and road attendance, for example, with a losing record.
Are you saying that no team other has had an increase in attendance or viewership in non-Fever games?
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In comment 16537962 Matt M. said:
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Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
Look at the numbers with and without her. There is a reason the Fever lead the league in both home and road attendance, for example, with a losing record.
Are you saying that no team other has had an increase in attendance or viewership in non-Fever games?