Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
Look at the numbers with and without her. There is a reason the Fever lead the league in both home and road attendance, for example, with a losing record.
Are you saying that no team other has had an increase in attendance or viewership in non-Fever games?
There has been an overall increase, but a significant difference in both TV viewership and attendance for Fever games. Vastly more people around the country are watching Clark/Fever than any other player/team.
Yes, I’ve already mentioned that Clark is a big part of the overall increase in viewership. Which is to be expected anytime you have a new player with her type of hype. But even if you remove the Fever games - there has been a significant rise in views up for other teams that have nothing to do with Clark. I don’t understand what the argument is here. The numbers bear this out.
at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
Overhyped? She's done things as a rookie that nobody else has done or 1 other person has done in the history of the league. She is just now starting to figure out the physicality of the league and also her and Boston are starting to get some real chemistry.
You also have to remember; these college kids completed their season and came straight to their WNBA season with little to no rest or even practice with their teams. The biggest thing killing the fever right now, is until the last few games no one else as stepped up. They've been doubling Clark and giving her full court press all game. Logic tells you someone else should be wide open, but no one else is stepping up and hitting their shots.
Is a white Jackie Robinson. With most of her league Black, Caitlin has been disrespected, ostracized, and relentlessly taunted and attacked by a jealous league of black players so racially short sighted. Caitlin is really gifted and energizing their formerly empty venues into stadiums full of cheering (and paying) fans bolstering their league’s revenues and possibly making them ALL more money! Ever since Angel Reese pointed to her ring finger in a cesspool filled lack of sporting honor she wears a moniker as the classless Darth Vader of women’s basketball. The NBA never dared treat Larry Bird like this.
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at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
Overhyped? She's done things as a rookie that nobody else has done or 1 other person has done in the history of the league. She is just now starting to figure out the physicality of the league and also her and Boston are starting to get some real chemistry.
You also have to remember; these college kids completed their season and came straight to their WNBA season with little to no rest or even practice with their teams. The biggest thing killing the fever right now, is until the last few games no one else as stepped up. They've been doubling Clark and giving her full court press all game. Logic tells you someone else should be wide open, but no one else is stepping up and hitting their shots.
Well, now they have Boston inside and cutting to the hoop and Mitchell a little bit. Between Clark starting to figure things out and the team gaining a little chemistry, they are playing much better.
Is a white Jackie Robinson. With most of her league Black, Caitlin has been disrespected, ostracized, and relentlessly taunted and attacked by a jealous league of black players so racially short sighted. Caitlin is really gifted and energizing their formerly empty venues into stadiums full of cheering (and paying) fans bolstering their league’s revenues and possibly making them ALL more money! Ever since Angel Reese pointed to her ring finger in a cesspool filled lack of sporting honor she wears a moniker as the classless Darth Vader of women’s basketball. The NBA never dared treat Larry Bird like this.
The young girls coming up are ballers, Caitlin Clark is just the beginning.
Run for the Rose is in mid-July in Louisville it's the largest AAU girls event every year over 2500 teams for 7 days and its been growing like crazy year over year.
Girls are in the gym now 7 days a week at a young age and the skill level is growing at a rapid rate. Also the girls game is much more physical currently than the boys game they use more screens and work harder down low.
It's a different game but you should be able to appreciate it for what it is and not compare it to the men's game. There are a lot of great ball players in the WNBA beside Clark but what she is doing as a rookie is impressive.
But this is ridiculous. The white Jackie Robinson?? So the hundreds of other white players before her suddenly don't exist?
Generational talent? Done things that noone else has ever done? Like what?
This is where the "hate" comes from. It's not hate to point things out that aren't true while still giving her credit.
She's a great shooter and can develop into a great player but she isn't there yet and there's no shame or hate in saying that.
Her hype is doing well for the league but many people are seeing the hype and just flat out making up things to go along with it. Twisting stats and making hyperbole.
Let her play her game and keep her out of the circus and just let her hone her craft.
The highly-anticipated debut game for the first overall pick in the 2024 WNBA Draft drew an average of 2.1 million viewers, the most for a WNBA game since 2001.
The WNBA game was also competing with the NBA Playoff game between the New York Knicks and Indiana Pacers which was airing on ESPN. The NBA's opening night doubleheader in October averaged 2.8 million viewers on TNT, the league's least-watched opening night since 2014.
from a rights standpoint the WNBA obviously isn't anywhere in the same galaxy as the NBA's $75 billion but they dont need to be anywhere close to that for everyone associated with the WNBA to benefit from any increased attention Caitlin Clark brings. As the value associated with the NBA despite declining ratings can attest, sports are basically the last viable bulk time media property left. it's not impossible that a women's sport starts benefiting from it even if it's infrequent like Team USA soccer.
As far as her success on the court, she's a rookie. Wemby is probably the next dynasty guy in the NBA and he didnt get anywhere close to MVP votes or playoff race. they were actually 22-60 for the 2nd straight year so their record didnt change at all. Lebron was 35-47 his rookie year shooting 41% overall and 29% from 3. MJ is the undisputed goat, he was 38-44 and didnt win his first MVP until year 4. so maybe we give it more than a few weeks or even a year until we declare overhyped?
But this is ridiculous. The white Jackie Robinson?? So the hundreds of other white players before her suddenly don't exist?
Generational talent? Done things that noone else has ever done? Like what?
This is where the "hate" comes from. It's not hate to point things out that aren't true while still giving her credit.
She's a great shooter and can develop into a great player but she isn't there yet and there's no shame or hate in saying that.
Her hype is doing well for the league but many people are seeing the hype and just flat out making up things to go along with it. Twisting stats and making hyperbole.
Let her play her game and keep her out of the circus and just let her hone her craft.
I agree the Jackie Robinson comparison is ridiculous. But, I do think 100% she is a generational talent. What has she done? For one, she scored more points in the college game than anyone...ever. Two, I don't recall the specific stats, but there are few instances where she is the first person or second person in the WNBA to accomplish a few milestones as a rookie, first 10 games, etc.
But this is ridiculous. The white Jackie Robinson?? So the hundreds of other white players before her suddenly don't exist?
Generational talent? Done things that noone else has ever done? Like what?
This is where the "hate" comes from. It's not hate to point things out that aren't true while still giving her credit.
She's a great shooter and can develop into a great player but she isn't there yet and there's no shame or hate in saying that.
Her hype is doing well for the league but many people are seeing the hype and just flat out making up things to go along with it. Twisting stats and making hyperbole.
Let her play her game and keep her out of the circus and just let her hone her craft.
I agree the Jackie Robinson comparison is ridiculous. But, I do think 100% she is a generational talent. What has she done? For one, she scored more points in the college game than anyone...ever. Two, I don't recall the specific stats, but there are few instances where she is the first person or second person in the WNBA to accomplish a few milestones as a rookie, first 10 games, etc.
She has scored the most points in D1 but not in the college game. And even with that there are some tehnicalities with ncaa changes where others with more points are excluded. I don't remember the specifics but it's similar to saying a football team has the most championships because it had the most superbowls but other teams have more including when it wasn't called the superbowl. Saying they have the most superbowls is accurate, saying the have the most championships isn't.
Her accomplishments are worthy enough to state them as they are without having to be creative reporting it. That is the reason people go out of their way to overcorrect the hype and try to put her down. That's not fair to her. She's just trying to play her game but this whole media storm is out of control. But drama sells and the league is trying to capitalize on it. But it has to be a distraction for her and just more for her to overcome to get comfortable in the league.
RE: The Clark fans are the Swifties of women's b-ball
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
Hanna Hidalgo and MiLaysia Fulwiley are three excellent young freshmen in last year's NCAA season. Actually like the physical, hard charging (old School) game the women play than the no defense NBA's game.
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
they clearly don’t like her, and that’s unfortunate. Her playstyle seems like a very strange reason why, so I don’t buy that, there’s a lot more to it than you are admitting IMO.
Fever home game - 18K in attendance with 2 losing teams playing. The Fever have been averaging 16.5K,
Atlanta home game - 3K in attendance.
Yeah, there was another game played yesterday that you conveniently left out.
Why did you choose to highlight the one team (Atlanta) that has the worse attendance in the league? And why did you omit the other game played yesterday (Storm vs Mercury) that had an attendance of 9,444?
but doesn’t that further prove that the attendance was still doubled? The away attendance proves everything - 15k for the Fever, 7-10k for the rest of the league (and it’s skewed a bit since some of those games are @ Indy).
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
the avg wnba salary is about $140k. Caitlin has a 30 mil Nike deal. It's just jealousy, that's it.
They hate that she’s the face of the league. But she’s is clearly not liked for her race and orientation, that’s a fact and it a sad one. It’s not just good hard nosed basketball being played against her, players are out to get her. Would be nice if some of her veteran teammates stood up for her.
Fever home game - 18K in attendance with 2 losing teams playing. The Fever have been averaging 16.5K,
Atlanta home game - 3K in attendance.
Yeah, there was another game played yesterday that you conveniently left out.
Why did you choose to highlight the one team (Atlanta) that has the worse attendance in the league? And why did you omit the other game played yesterday (Storm vs Mercury) that had an attendance of 9,444?
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
the avg wnba salary is about $140k. Caitlin has a 30 mil Nike deal. It's just jealousy, that's it.
They hate that she’s the face of the league. But she’s is clearly not liked for her race and orientation, that’s a fact and it a sad one. It’s not just good hard nosed basketball being played against her, players are out to get her. Would be nice if some of her veteran teammates stood up for her.
I suppose there's some amount of rookie hazing going on, but agree that her teammates should step up here - rookie or no rookie, when your teammate is abused on the court, you should stand up for her.
Fever home game - 18K in attendance with 2 losing teams playing. The Fever have been averaging 16.5K,
Atlanta home game - 3K in attendance.
Yeah, there was another game played yesterday that you conveniently left out.
Why did you choose to highlight the one team (Atlanta) that has the worse attendance in the league? And why did you omit the other game played yesterday (Storm vs Mercury) that had an attendance of 9,444?
I only heard the attendance for those 2 games.
The point is to highlight that attendance for the Fever is ridiculously more than the rest of the league. So are ratings. Yes, attendance and viewership are up league-wide. But, the disparity in Fever games vs. evryone else is significantly huge.
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
Indiana is not irrelevant. First of all, just for the overall league, they might be the MOST relevant or significant because they are the one team with, by far, the most eyes on it every game.
More importantly, with Clark and Boston starting to gel, they are actually becoming a relevant team in the standings. They still have a losing record, but they have won 5 of their last 7 to move into 4th in the East. Not spectacular, but on the rise.
job marketing her and making people who typically don't care, care. Some of the discourse is expectedly stupid (TIL there are no other straight white players in the WNBA lmao). Angel Reese in particular has done a great job leveraging her relative popularity into a "rivalry" with Clark. Interesting to see how long this popularity surge lasts. The jealousy around Clark is absolutely real, but they're definitely playing it up WWE-style to create the first WNBA storyline that would ever approach 100+ posts on BBI or be a topic on the stupid SAS/Skip sports shows (outside the Griner craziness).
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
I think that's a bit of a mischaracterization of Clark. She is very emotional in the heat of the game for sure, but I wouldn't say she is brash or a shit talker. Off the court all her answers are completely bland and from the Eli school of answering reporters.
job marketing her and making people who typically don't care, care. Some of the discourse is expectedly stupid (TIL there are no other straight white players in the WNBA lmao). Angel Reese in particular has done a great job leveraging her relative popularity into a "rivalry" with Clark. Interesting to see how long this popularity surge lasts. The jealousy around Clark is absolutely real, but they're definitely playing it up WWE-style to create the first WNBA storyline that would ever approach 100+ posts on BBI or be a topic on the stupid SAS/Skip sports shows (outside the Griner craziness).
So you think Reese is doing it on purpose? I don’t, I think she’s got a naturally shitty attitude and it happens to be working for her.
job marketing her and making people who typically don't care, care. Some of the discourse is expectedly stupid (TIL there are no other straight white players in the WNBA lmao). Angel Reese in particular has done a great job leveraging her relative popularity into a "rivalry" with Clark. Interesting to see how long this popularity surge lasts. The jealousy around Clark is absolutely real, but they're definitely playing it up WWE-style to create the first WNBA storyline that would ever approach 100+ posts on BBI or be a topic on the stupid SAS/Skip sports shows (outside the Griner craziness).
So you think Reese is doing it on purpose? I don’t, I think she’s got a naturally shitty attitude and it happens to be working for her.
I agree with you. I think people are giving Reese too much credit. If it wasn't for her dust up at the end of the 2023 NCAA Finals I don't think she'd be anywhere near as popular.
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Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
Look at the numbers with and without her. There is a reason the Fever lead the league in both home and road attendance, for example, with a losing record.
Are you saying that no team other has had an increase in attendance or viewership in non-Fever games?
There has been an overall increase, but a significant difference in both TV viewership and attendance for Fever games. Vastly more people around the country are watching Clark/Fever than any other player/team.
Yes, I’ve already mentioned that Clark is a big part of the overall increase in viewership. Which is to be expected anytime you have a new player with her type of hype. But even if you remove the Fever games - there has been a significant rise in views up for other teams that have nothing to do with Clark. I don’t understand what the argument is here. The numbers bear this out.
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at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
Overhyped? She's done things as a rookie that nobody else has done or 1 other person has done in the history of the league. She is just now starting to figure out the physicality of the league and also her and Boston are starting to get some real chemistry.
You also have to remember; these college kids completed their season and came straight to their WNBA season with little to no rest or even practice with their teams. The biggest thing killing the fever right now, is until the last few games no one else as stepped up. They've been doubling Clark and giving her full court press all game. Logic tells you someone else should be wide open, but no one else is stepping up and hitting their shots.
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at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
Overhyped? She's done things as a rookie that nobody else has done or 1 other person has done in the history of the league. She is just now starting to figure out the physicality of the league and also her and Boston are starting to get some real chemistry.
You also have to remember; these college kids completed their season and came straight to their WNBA season with little to no rest or even practice with their teams. The biggest thing killing the fever right now, is until the last few games no one else as stepped up. They've been doubling Clark and giving her full court press all game. Logic tells you someone else should be wide open, but no one else is stepping up and hitting their shots.
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Then don’t watch ?
Run for the Rose is in mid-July in Louisville it's the largest AAU girls event every year over 2500 teams for 7 days and its been growing like crazy year over year.
Girls are in the gym now 7 days a week at a young age and the skill level is growing at a rapid rate. Also the girls game is much more physical currently than the boys game they use more screens and work harder down low.
It's a different game but you should be able to appreciate it for what it is and not compare it to the men's game. There are a lot of great ball players in the WNBA beside Clark but what she is doing as a rookie is impressive.
Generational talent? Done things that noone else has ever done? Like what?
This is where the "hate" comes from. It's not hate to point things out that aren't true while still giving her credit.
She's a great shooter and can develop into a great player but she isn't there yet and there's no shame or hate in saying that.
Her hype is doing well for the league but many people are seeing the hype and just flat out making up things to go along with it. Twisting stats and making hyperbole.
Let her play her game and keep her out of the circus and just let her hone her craft.
The WNBA game was also competing with the NBA Playoff game between the New York Knicks and Indiana Pacers which was airing on ESPN. The NBA's opening night doubleheader in October averaged 2.8 million viewers on TNT, the league's least-watched opening night since 2014.
from a rights standpoint the WNBA obviously isn't anywhere in the same galaxy as the NBA's $75 billion but they dont need to be anywhere close to that for everyone associated with the WNBA to benefit from any increased attention Caitlin Clark brings. As the value associated with the NBA despite declining ratings can attest, sports are basically the last viable bulk time media property left. it's not impossible that a women's sport starts benefiting from it even if it's infrequent like Team USA soccer.
As far as her success on the court, she's a rookie. Wemby is probably the next dynasty guy in the NBA and he didnt get anywhere close to MVP votes or playoff race. they were actually 22-60 for the 2nd straight year so their record didnt change at all. Lebron was 35-47 his rookie year shooting 41% overall and 29% from 3. MJ is the undisputed goat, he was 38-44 and didnt win his first MVP until year 4. so maybe we give it more than a few weeks or even a year until we declare overhyped?
Generational talent? Done things that noone else has ever done? Like what?
This is where the "hate" comes from. It's not hate to point things out that aren't true while still giving her credit.
She's a great shooter and can develop into a great player but she isn't there yet and there's no shame or hate in saying that.
Her hype is doing well for the league but many people are seeing the hype and just flat out making up things to go along with it. Twisting stats and making hyperbole.
Let her play her game and keep her out of the circus and just let her hone her craft.
Might be one of the most moronic takes I’ve read.
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But this is ridiculous. The white Jackie Robinson?? So the hundreds of other white players before her suddenly don't exist?
Generational talent? Done things that noone else has ever done? Like what?
This is where the "hate" comes from. It's not hate to point things out that aren't true while still giving her credit.
She's a great shooter and can develop into a great player but she isn't there yet and there's no shame or hate in saying that.
Her hype is doing well for the league but many people are seeing the hype and just flat out making up things to go along with it. Twisting stats and making hyperbole.
Let her play her game and keep her out of the circus and just let her hone her craft.
I agree the Jackie Robinson comparison is ridiculous. But, I do think 100% she is a generational talent. What has she done? For one, she scored more points in the college game than anyone...ever. Two, I don't recall the specific stats, but there are few instances where she is the first person or second person in the WNBA to accomplish a few milestones as a rookie, first 10 games, etc.
She has scored the most points in D1 but not in the college game. And even with that there are some tehnicalities with ncaa changes where others with more points are excluded. I don't remember the specifics but it's similar to saying a football team has the most championships because it had the most superbowls but other teams have more including when it wasn't called the superbowl. Saying they have the most superbowls is accurate, saying the have the most championships isn't.
Her accomplishments are worthy enough to state them as they are without having to be creative reporting it. That is the reason people go out of their way to overcorrect the hype and try to put her down. That's not fair to her. She's just trying to play her game but this whole media storm is out of control. But drama sells and the league is trying to capitalize on it. But it has to be a distraction for her and just more for her to overcome to get comfortable in the league.
Outside of one or 2 ridiculous takes, what are you referring to?
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
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no hyperbole too great, no offense too slight, no criticism at all valid.
Might be one of the most moronic takes I’ve read.
Now blow me.
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This is correct.
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no hyperbole too great, no offense too slight, no criticism at all valid.
Might be one of the most moronic takes I’ve read.
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
the avg wnba salary is about $140k. Caitlin has a 30 mil Nike deal. It's just jealousy, that's it.
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For a few obvious reasons:
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
the avg wnba salary is about $140k. Caitlin has a 30 mil Nike deal. It's just jealousy, that's it.
Ionescu deal was 24 million 2 years ago with no hype or drama and NBA players love her shoes
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no hyperbole too great, no offense too slight, no criticism at all valid.
Might be one of the most moronic takes I’ve read.
and thanks for proving my point, jackass
I proved your a moron? I can’t take credit for that. You did a bang up job yourself.
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For a few obvious reasons:
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Atlanta home game - 3K in attendance.
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For a few obvious reasons:
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
Clark may not be a top 15-20 player in the league but she is clearly the most relevant player there.
Atlanta home game - 3K in attendance.
Yeah, there was another game played yesterday that you conveniently left out.
Why did you choose to highlight the one team (Atlanta) that has the worse attendance in the league? And why did you omit the other game played yesterday (Storm vs Mercury) that had an attendance of 9,444?
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
the avg wnba salary is about $140k. Caitlin has a 30 mil Nike deal. It's just jealousy, that's it.
They hate that she’s the face of the league. But she’s is clearly not liked for her race and orientation, that’s a fact and it a sad one. It’s not just good hard nosed basketball being played against her, players are out to get her. Would be nice if some of her veteran teammates stood up for her.
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Fever home game - 18K in attendance with 2 losing teams playing. The Fever have been averaging 16.5K,
Atlanta home game - 3K in attendance.
Yeah, there was another game played yesterday that you conveniently left out.
Why did you choose to highlight the one team (Atlanta) that has the worse attendance in the league? And why did you omit the other game played yesterday (Storm vs Mercury) that had an attendance of 9,444?
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For a few obvious reasons:
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
the avg wnba salary is about $140k. Caitlin has a 30 mil Nike deal. It's just jealousy, that's it.
They hate that she’s the face of the league. But she’s is clearly not liked for her race and orientation, that’s a fact and it a sad one. It’s not just good hard nosed basketball being played against her, players are out to get her. Would be nice if some of her veteran teammates stood up for her.
I suppose there's some amount of rookie hazing going on, but agree that her teammates should step up here - rookie or no rookie, when your teammate is abused on the court, you should stand up for her.
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Fever home game - 18K in attendance with 2 losing teams playing. The Fever have been averaging 16.5K,
Atlanta home game - 3K in attendance.
Yeah, there was another game played yesterday that you conveniently left out.
Why did you choose to highlight the one team (Atlanta) that has the worse attendance in the league? And why did you omit the other game played yesterday (Storm vs Mercury) that had an attendance of 9,444?
I only heard the attendance for those 2 games.
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For a few obvious reasons:
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
More importantly, with Clark and Boston starting to gel, they are actually becoming a relevant team in the standings. They still have a losing record, but they have won 5 of their last 7 to move into 4th in the East. Not spectacular, but on the rise.
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For a few obvious reasons:
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
I think that's a bit of a mischaracterization of Clark. She is very emotional in the heat of the game for sure, but I wouldn't say she is brash or a shit talker. Off the court all her answers are completely bland and from the Eli school of answering reporters.
So you think Reese is doing it on purpose? I don’t, I think she’s got a naturally shitty attitude and it happens to be working for her.
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job marketing her and making people who typically don't care, care. Some of the discourse is expectedly stupid (TIL there are no other straight white players in the WNBA lmao). Angel Reese in particular has done a great job leveraging her relative popularity into a "rivalry" with Clark. Interesting to see how long this popularity surge lasts. The jealousy around Clark is absolutely real, but they're definitely playing it up WWE-style to create the first WNBA storyline that would ever approach 100+ posts on BBI or be a topic on the stupid SAS/Skip sports shows (outside the Griner craziness).
So you think Reese is doing it on purpose? I don’t, I think she’s got a naturally shitty attitude and it happens to be working for her.
I agree with you. I think people are giving Reese too much credit. If it wasn't for her dust up at the end of the 2023 NCAA Finals I don't think she'd be anywhere near as popular.