job marketing her and making people who typically don't care, care. Some of the discourse is expectedly stupid (TIL there are no other straight white players in the WNBA lmao). Angel Reese in particular has done a great job leveraging her relative popularity into a "rivalry" with Clark. Interesting to see how long this popularity surge lasts. The jealousy around Clark is absolutely real, but they're definitely playing it up WWE-style to create the first WNBA storyline that would ever approach 100+ posts on BBI or be a topic on the stupid SAS/Skip sports shows (outside the Griner craziness).
So you think Reese is doing it on purpose? I don’t, I think she’s got a naturally shitty attitude and it happens to be working for her.
I think she's definitely exaggerating their "beef" even if she doesn't like her to begin with. She was an NIL darling and has a strong social media following, she knows how to make money by bringing attention on herself.
I think she doesn't like Clark, but she's definitely going overboard to push a "rivalry" because she knows it's just going to make her more relevant and get her more internet clicks.
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
Indiana is not irrelevant. First of all, just for the overall league, they might be the MOST relevant or significant because they are the one team with, by far, the most eyes on it every game.
More importantly, with Clark and Boston starting to gel, they are actually becoming a relevant team in the standings. They still have a losing record, but they have won 5 of their last 7 to move into 4th in the East. Not spectacular, but on the rise.
I meant relevant from a level of play and standings, they are not close to playing at the level of the top teams and those teams have shut down Clark. I think Clark and Boston are a strong foundation but like the NBA you need 2 or 3 stars to win a title she is in for a long grind over the next couple of years.
I hope she continues to develop and gets stronger. It should be fun to watch.
If you get a chance listen to Geno Auriemma's comments about her and the rookie class. Geno Auriemma - ( New Window )
i had heard something very interesting regarding why NBA players like Clark so much. Someone mentioned 2 things
- she can score from 35 ft away
- she is a brilliant passer who gets inside players involved.
Every bottom roster NBA player can do what every WNBA player does to the 'Nth' degree... except most NBA players cant do what Clark does with shooting or passing and they like that
She is the gravy train right now, not Reese or anyone else
Obviously the shooter/distributor will get more attention while the player doing the grunt work doesn't. But without the Horace Grant/ D Rodman the championships still wouldn't come.
Chicago Sky average attendance last year was 6411 this year it is averaging 8634 and Clark have not played there as yet. I guess Reece is having some kind of effect.
RE: Both are excellent players but with different game.
Obviously the shooter/distributor will get more attention while the player doing the grunt work doesn't. But without the Horace Grant/ D Rodman the championships still wouldn't come.
Chicago Sky average attendance last year was 6411 this year it is averaging 8634 and Clark have not played there as yet. I guess Reece is having some kind of effect.
Sky was over 7200 last year, so the jump to 8600 is great but not that impressive when compared to the Fever. 2023 the Fever averaged just over 4000, this year its over 16,000.
Also, look at the attendance when the Mystics played the Sky (4200) and then 3-4 days later played the Fever . Clark moves the needle, for whatever reason. The Mystics had to move the game to a larger arena and drew 20k
[quote]Last Friday, the Washington Mystics hosted the Indiana Fever at Capital One Arena. After the game, the Mystics announced that they set some major attendance marks. They include a sellout of 20,333 fans, the highest attended game since 1999 and that this mark was higher than any game since the 2007 WNBA Finals.[quote] attendance - ( New Window )
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
Indiana is not irrelevant. First of all, just for the overall league, they might be the MOST relevant or significant because they are the one team with, by far, the most eyes on it every game.
More importantly, with Clark and Boston starting to gel, they are actually becoming a relevant team in the standings. They still have a losing record, but they have won 5 of their last 7 to move into 4th in the East. Not spectacular, but on the rise.
I meant relevant from a level of play and standings, they are not close to playing at the level of the top teams and those teams have shut down Clark. I think Clark and Boston are a strong foundation but like the NBA you need 2 or 3 stars to win a title she is in for a long grind over the next couple of years.
I hope she continues to develop and gets stronger. It should be fun to watch.
If you get a chance listen to Geno Auriemma's comments about her and the rookie class. Geno Auriemma - ( New Window )
And Angel Reese stepped up to the plate in that time of need.
Clark is handling it well I think. She's got a lot of attention and scrutiny because she brought a lot of eyes to the sport that weren't there already. In the long run, that's great for the game. My wife, for example, couldn't give a shit about pro sports. We live in CT where we see a lot of great college players come thru and she's a big fan of Caitlin Clark. Bigger even than Paige Bueckers right now.
This beef is good for the sport. Half of what makes the NBA so fun these days is this kind of stuff, which adds a WWE type plot to a lot of these games. It's good for the womens' game that they have this now too.
Clark has put the WNBA on the map, just look at this thread.
Has there ever been a thread about womens sports on bbi as active as this one? Shes polarizing on both sides and everyone wants to watch. She is the ONLY reason that the WNBA is on the map. Nobody is watching Angel Reese unless shes playing CC.
Everyone looks at everything through a racial lense these days. Its quite annoying. People see the attention that CC is getting and then turning into a white thing. People are then seeing the hate shes getting and turning it into a black thing. IMO, the reality is that people become fans of athletes they can relate to. Theres nothing wrong with that. Its the same reason Angel Reese gets so much love despite being a below average player.
On the flip side, I don't think shes hated because shes a straight white girl. Maybe by some small group of idiots, but I think its because they are jealous. They've put all of their blood, sweat and tears into the game and this young girl comes in and shes immediately the face of the league. Women are catty and this is no different.
However, these girls complain about the money they make and they are too stupid to realize that CC is their golden ticket. They need to open their damn eyes.
are fairly interchangeable terms especially with sports. And the word hate has lost its meaning anyway, just look at how misused and misinterpreted it is in Daniel Jones threads.
Has there ever been a thread about womens sports on bbi as active as this one? Shes polarizing on both sides and everyone wants to watch. She is the ONLY reason that the WNBA is on the map. Nobody is watching Angel Reese unless shes playing CC.
Everyone looks at everything through a racial lense these days. Its quite annoying. People see the attention that CC is getting and then turning into a white thing. People are then seeing the hate shes getting and turning it into a black thing. IMO, the reality is that people become fans of athletes they can relate to. Theres nothing wrong with that. Its the same reason Angel Reese gets so much love despite being a below average player.
On the flip side, I don't think shes hated because shes a straight white girl. Maybe by some small group of idiots, but I think its because they are jealous. They've put all of their blood, sweat and tears into the game and this young girl comes in and shes immediately the face of the league. Women are catty and this is no different.
However, these girls complain about the money they make and they are too stupid to realize that CC is their golden ticket. They need to open their damn eyes.
About women's sports? Yes. Threads about the USWNT have garnered this level of interest. About the WNBA? Never.
She’s relevant. But Reese probably thinks people tuned in to watch her. Clark is the golden goose - ( New Window )
In this one case, Reese and Carter are at least a little relevant, because some of the viewership may have been to see if there were any fireworks resulting from the flagrant the last game.
I really can't figure out if Reese is delusional or if she is just playing this up for her own brand management.
RE: Clark has put the WNBA on the map, just look at this thread.
Has there ever been a thread about womens sports on bbi as active as this one? Shes polarizing on both sides and everyone wants to watch. She is the ONLY reason that the WNBA is on the map. Nobody is watching Angel Reese unless shes playing CC.
Everyone looks at everything through a racial lense these days. Its quite annoying. People see the attention that CC is getting and then turning into a white thing. People are then seeing the hate shes getting and turning it into a black thing. IMO, the reality is that people become fans of athletes they can relate to. Theres nothing wrong with that. Its the same reason Angel Reese gets so much love despite being a below average player.
On the flip side, I don't think shes hated because shes a straight white girl. Maybe by some small group of idiots, but I think its because they are jealous. They've put all of their blood, sweat and tears into the game and this young girl comes in and shes immediately the face of the league. Women are catty and this is no different.
However, these girls complain about the money they make and they are too stupid to realize that CC is their golden ticket. They need to open their damn eyes.
A below average player? Are you serious? This is the idiocy that fuels the drama. Both players are upper echelon and both play different positions which makes the constant comparison even more stupid. Neither one is as good as the other in what they do best.
I'm sorry to hurt your feelings, but shes below average.
She shoots like 30% from within 5 feet of the basket and a lot of her rebounds come from her own easy misses. I didn't say she was useless, just below average, which she is.
CC isn't anything special yet either, but at least you can see the potential with her. She should get stronger and more skilled and she can shoot with the best of em so she will be a force in the future.
RE: I'm sorry to hurt your feelings, but shes below average.
She shoots like 30% from within 5 feet of the basket and a lot of her rebounds come from her own easy misses. I didn't say she was useless, just below average, which she is.
CC isn't anything special yet either, but at least you can see the potential with her. She should get stronger and more skilled and she can shoot with the best of em so she will be a force in the future.
Disagree about Clark. She's already top 20 in scoring and is setting records as the fastest in league history to a number of milestones.
but I've watched a few games and I do look at the box scores. CC plays like a rookie. She turns the ball over a lot, she doesn't shoot with the confidence that she had in college and she gets pushed around. You can clearly see the talent and that she will be a top player, but shes a rookie that doesn't really have a big impact yet.
RE: I'm sorry to hurt your feelings, but shes below average.
She shoots like 30% from within 5 feet of the basket and a lot of her rebounds come from her own easy misses. I didn't say she was useless, just below average, which she is.
CC isn't anything special yet either, but at least you can see the potential with her. She should get stronger and more skilled and she can shoot with the best of em so she will be a force in the future.
Lol @ hurt feelings. It's not about feelings but simply looking at where she ranks in the league in most categories she's well above average. Numbers don't lie but your bias is showing.
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job marketing her and making people who typically don't care, care. Some of the discourse is expectedly stupid (TIL there are no other straight white players in the WNBA lmao). Angel Reese in particular has done a great job leveraging her relative popularity into a "rivalry" with Clark. Interesting to see how long this popularity surge lasts. The jealousy around Clark is absolutely real, but they're definitely playing it up WWE-style to create the first WNBA storyline that would ever approach 100+ posts on BBI or be a topic on the stupid SAS/Skip sports shows (outside the Griner craziness).
So you think Reese is doing it on purpose? I don’t, I think she’s got a naturally shitty attitude and it happens to be working for her.
I think she's definitely exaggerating their "beef" even if she doesn't like her to begin with. She was an NIL darling and has a strong social media following, she knows how to make money by bringing attention on herself.
I think she doesn't like Clark, but she's definitely going overboard to push a "rivalry" because she knows it's just going to make her more relevant and get her more internet clicks.
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For a few obvious reasons:
-White
-Straight
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
Indiana is not irrelevant. First of all, just for the overall league, they might be the MOST relevant or significant because they are the one team with, by far, the most eyes on it every game.
More importantly, with Clark and Boston starting to gel, they are actually becoming a relevant team in the standings. They still have a losing record, but they have won 5 of their last 7 to move into 4th in the East. Not spectacular, but on the rise.
I meant relevant from a level of play and standings, they are not close to playing at the level of the top teams and those teams have shut down Clark. I think Clark and Boston are a strong foundation but like the NBA you need 2 or 3 stars to win a title she is in for a long grind over the next couple of years.
I hope she continues to develop and gets stronger. It should be fun to watch.
If you get a chance listen to Geno Auriemma's comments about her and the rookie class.
Geno Auriemma - ( New Window )
- she can score from 35 ft away
- she is a brilliant passer who gets inside players involved.
Every bottom roster NBA player can do what every WNBA player does to the 'Nth' degree... except most NBA players cant do what Clark does with shooting or passing and they like that
She is the gravy train right now, not Reese or anyone else
Chicago Sky average attendance last year was 6411 this year it is averaging 8634 and Clark have not played there as yet. I guess Reece is having some kind of effect.
Chicago Sky average attendance last year was 6411 this year it is averaging 8634 and Clark have not played there as yet. I guess Reece is having some kind of effect.
Sky was over 7200 last year, so the jump to 8600 is great but not that impressive when compared to the Fever. 2023 the Fever averaged just over 4000, this year its over 16,000.
Also, look at the attendance when the Mystics played the Sky (4200) and then 3-4 days later played the Fever . Clark moves the needle, for whatever reason. The Mystics had to move the game to a larger arena and drew 20k
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For a few obvious reasons:
-White
-Straight
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
Indiana is not irrelevant. First of all, just for the overall league, they might be the MOST relevant or significant because they are the one team with, by far, the most eyes on it every game.
More importantly, with Clark and Boston starting to gel, they are actually becoming a relevant team in the standings. They still have a losing record, but they have won 5 of their last 7 to move into 4th in the East. Not spectacular, but on the rise.
I meant relevant from a level of play and standings, they are not close to playing at the level of the top teams and those teams have shut down Clark. I think Clark and Boston are a strong foundation but like the NBA you need 2 or 3 stars to win a title she is in for a long grind over the next couple of years.
I hope she continues to develop and gets stronger. It should be fun to watch.
If you get a chance listen to Geno Auriemma's comments about her and the rookie class. Geno Auriemma - ( New Window )
Auriemma's clip is a good listen.
Would be tough. Reese isn’t a transcendent player and bird and magic respected each other. Reese hates Clark.
& Bird-Magic for sure had a ton of respect for one another.
I watched more of the women's NCCA tournament this spring than I did the men's.
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This feels like it could morph into the women's version of Bird-Magic.
Would be tough. Reese isn’t a transcendent player and bird and magic respected each other. Reese hates Clark.
The media would love this and will try to create the narrative, but for these reasons, it just isn't so.
Clark is handling it well I think. She's got a lot of attention and scrutiny because she brought a lot of eyes to the sport that weren't there already. In the long run, that's great for the game. My wife, for example, couldn't give a shit about pro sports. We live in CT where we see a lot of great college players come thru and she's a big fan of Caitlin Clark. Bigger even than Paige Bueckers right now.
This beef is good for the sport. Half of what makes the NBA so fun these days is this kind of stuff, which adds a WWE type plot to a lot of these games. It's good for the womens' game that they have this now too.
Everyone looks at everything through a racial lense these days. Its quite annoying. People see the attention that CC is getting and then turning into a white thing. People are then seeing the hate shes getting and turning it into a black thing. IMO, the reality is that people become fans of athletes they can relate to. Theres nothing wrong with that. Its the same reason Angel Reese gets so much love despite being a below average player.
On the flip side, I don't think shes hated because shes a straight white girl. Maybe by some small group of idiots, but I think its because they are jealous. They've put all of their blood, sweat and tears into the game and this young girl comes in and shes immediately the face of the league. Women are catty and this is no different.
However, these girls complain about the money they make and they are too stupid to realize that CC is their golden ticket. They need to open their damn eyes.
Everyone looks at everything through a racial lense these days. Its quite annoying. People see the attention that CC is getting and then turning into a white thing. People are then seeing the hate shes getting and turning it into a black thing. IMO, the reality is that people become fans of athletes they can relate to. Theres nothing wrong with that. Its the same reason Angel Reese gets so much love despite being a below average player.
On the flip side, I don't think shes hated because shes a straight white girl. Maybe by some small group of idiots, but I think its because they are jealous. They've put all of their blood, sweat and tears into the game and this young girl comes in and shes immediately the face of the league. Women are catty and this is no different.
However, these girls complain about the money they make and they are too stupid to realize that CC is their golden ticket. They need to open their damn eyes.
Clark is the golden goose - ( New Window )
I really can't figure out if Reese is delusional or if she is just playing this up for her own brand management.
Everyone looks at everything through a racial lense these days. Its quite annoying. People see the attention that CC is getting and then turning into a white thing. People are then seeing the hate shes getting and turning it into a black thing. IMO, the reality is that people become fans of athletes they can relate to. Theres nothing wrong with that. Its the same reason Angel Reese gets so much love despite being a below average player.
On the flip side, I don't think shes hated because shes a straight white girl. Maybe by some small group of idiots, but I think its because they are jealous. They've put all of their blood, sweat and tears into the game and this young girl comes in and shes immediately the face of the league. Women are catty and this is no different.
However, these girls complain about the money they make and they are too stupid to realize that CC is their golden ticket. They need to open their damn eyes.
A below average player? Are you serious? This is the idiocy that fuels the drama. Both players are upper echelon and both play different positions which makes the constant comparison even more stupid. Neither one is as good as the other in what they do best.
CC isn't anything special yet either, but at least you can see the potential with her. She should get stronger and more skilled and she can shoot with the best of em so she will be a force in the future.
CC isn't anything special yet either, but at least you can see the potential with her. She should get stronger and more skilled and she can shoot with the best of em so she will be a force in the future.
CC isn't anything special yet either, but at least you can see the potential with her. She should get stronger and more skilled and she can shoot with the best of em so she will be a force in the future.
Lol @ hurt feelings. It's not about feelings but simply looking at where she ranks in the league in most categories she's well above average. Numbers don't lie but your bias is showing.
It’s the hype she gets. Reese clearly thinks it’s not warranted, so like an adult, she whacks her in the head every chance she gets. Seems logical.