For those who didn't read his QB preview thread, here are the 4:
1) He gets hurt again and the Giants look like idiots.
2) He performs poorly again and the Giants look like idiots.
3) He stays healthy and plays OK, but is clearly not elevating the team.
4) He stays healthy and has his best year, leaving a lot of people with egg on their face.
For all those who think I hate Jones with a passion-which I don't-I hope it is 4 & I'm eating crow. But I think I'm a realist & I'll say either scenario 1 or 2. Scenario #1 scares the shit out of me with that injury clause if he can't pass a physical next March.
3, 2, 1, 4.
2. Scenario 3, and possibly also Scenario 2, are probably enough to bring him back as the starter in 2025. Remember, the Giants brought him back for 2024 despite 2023 being Scenario 1.
They want him to be the guy, and are going to find any excuse to make that happen.
Hopefully if he's bad the leash is short because of BD keeps running a bad Jones out there he's gone too
But if he doesn't, I hope he falls on his face and the Giants have all the evidence they need to move on from him.
that would be a fan killer...
Splitting the difference Im going with 3, but in actuality I see it being either 2 or 4.
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3
and then an incredibly distant #4
3.5) He stays healthy and plays well, elevates the team on multiple occasions, but doesn’t play well enough to be considered a clear franchise QB
4) He stays healthy and has his best year, leaving a lot of people with egg on their face.
If it's 4 everyone on here will be ecstatic and most will admit that they were wrong.
If it's 1-3, the same people who have defended Jones at every turn will continue to make excuses and/or live in fantasy realities.
1. Daniel Jones is coming back from a recurring neck injury.
2. Daniel Jones best skill is scrambling which brings him into more contact.
3. Daniel Jones offensive line is still an unknown. Last season it put him out for the year early. Will it at all be improved this season.
4. Daniel Jones has unfamiliar weapons. No more Barkley or Waller. How long will it take to get on the same page with Nabers, Singletary and Theo Johnson?
I am not a DJ hater. I just don’t see a world where he isn’t coming into viscous contact and hard hits again.
how many times did he do this in the Vikings win?
He won't be able to stay on the field if he starts 2-5 or something like that.
He takes off by design or when his first read us taken away
You virtually never see him scramble (run around behind the LOS) to buy more time to throw the ball
When he does run around back behind the line of scrimmage he usually winds up not throwing the ball and running out if bounds. He takes alot of lost yardage running out of bounds, which actually counts as a sack as oppossed to throwing the ball away
You can look at an example last year much cited of a WR I forgot who doing jumping jacks out there trying to get Jones to see him down field while Jones ran it out of bounds for a loss.
3, 4 the least likely in that order.
With that in mind I'd expect this:
Hurt missing a few games, average play made to look slightly better when Nabers takes a few short passes 80yds for a TD and skews Jones stats.
I believe the Giants will have an outstanding defense this year. My guess is the Giants are a 7-8 win team, and the entire band will be back together in 2025.
I believe the Giants will have an outstanding defense this year. My guess is the Giants are a 7-8 win team, and the entire band will be back together in 2025.
If the defense is outstanding and Nabers has a similar impact to Beckham, you are predicting an improvement of 1 win? If that's the outcome the team is going to the playoffs. Not even a question. Especially given we are both high on Daboll.
But I will keep an open mind. He never has had a stellar WR group, or OL, but there are no excuses this year. Easily his best WR group, and while this OL isn’t likely to remind anyone of the early 90’s Cowboys, it should be solid. Another 15 TD season just isn’t going to cut it.
I think the additions of Nabers, a healthy Wan'Dale, a more experienced Hyatt, Theo, Runyan, Eluemunor and Bricillo's development of the OL is going to make a big difference.
I think Nabers alone is going to make a big difference and not only by his own individual production. I think his presence is going to improve the entire O.
I know a lot of people think they're just excuses, but it's a fact that most QBs play better with a decent OL and a stud WR or 2. DJ has never had a stud WR and has barely ever had a decent OL, at least not for long.
We've seen flashes from him without those 2 things and now he/we hopefully have them.
Another possible scenario is DJ is playing well and gets hurt. That's the one I most fear (and why I was ready to move on at the last draft).
#4, then #1 - without the editorial that the Giants look like idiots if Jones misses time for injury. On average QBs miss about 2 games a season (which was Jones average going into last season). They may look like idiots, but not because of Jones missing a few games.
No point in ranking 2 and 3. Too subjective, and not extreme enough. If Jones won MVP, BBIers haters will argue it's in spite of him, and Dave Brown would have passed for 8,000/100 with the same weapons.
NFL QB injury projections - ( New Window )
It what Jones does best unfortunately.
He is not his QB.
He takes off by design or when his first read us taken away
You virtually never see him scramble (run around behind the LOS) to buy more time to throw the ball
When he does run around back behind the line of scrimmage he usually winds up not throwing the ball and running out if bounds. He takes alot of lost yardage running out of bounds, which actually counts as a sack as oppossed to throwing the ball away
You can look at an example last year much cited of a WR I forgot who doing jumping jacks out there trying to get Jones to see him down field while Jones ran it out of bounds for a loss.
Spot on.
I believe the Giants will have an outstanding defense this year. My guess is the Giants are a 7-8 win team, and the entire band will be back together in 2025.
If the defense is outstanding and Nabers has a similar impact to Beckham, you are predicting an improvement of 1 win? If that's the outcome the team is going to the playoffs. Not even a question. Especially given we are both high on Daboll.
Look at the Raiders - a top 10 defense, a no doubt number one receiver in Adams. Yet an 8 win team because of the talent at quarterback.
If Jones is healthy 17 games, then I agree they will improve more than 1-2 wins.
Definitely.
Definitely.
If he's not hurt he'll be solid, at least? He was not hurt for a good portion of 2023, and that wasn't the 2023 experience.
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2 doesn’t seem that likely - if he’s not hurt he’s going to be solid, at least. 4 would be a surprise.
If he's not hurt he'll be solid, at least? He was not hurt for a good portion of 2023, and that wasn't the 2023 experience.
You're hilarious.
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2 doesn’t seem that likely - if he’s not hurt he’s going to be solid, at least. 4 would be a surprise.
If he's not hurt he'll be solid, at least? He was not hurt for a good portion of 2023, and that wasn't the 2023 experience.
You're hilarious.
How am I hilarious? Was he healthy for a portion of 2023? Would you describe his play during those times he was healthy as solid, when he was below 30th in almost every meaningful passing metric?