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Nabers,Hiatt and Robinson

TimsGiants : 6/17/2024 5:48 pm
I feel or receiver situation is looking better and having Nabers could really help Hiatt but I'm not sold on Robinson. He's got the agility and talent but I'm not a fan of his size. 5'8 is pretty small and a difficult target/catch radius. I think the Giants really need to find a crafty solid vet to pay the slot similar to the Tate pickup. Hope I'm wrong and Robinson becomes a big factor.
You  
Toth029 : 6/17/2024 5:54 pm : link
Will find a lot of people who will disagree with you in regards to Wan'Dale.

He's an ascending player and has not had a true #1 threat to play alongside him. Same goes for Hyatt. These guys getting Nabers in the mix is a huge step up for all of their ability and allows Daboll to be more creative with mismatches.

The Giants did sign a vet as insurance in Isaiah McKenzie.
it's Hyatt  
Giantology : 6/17/2024 5:59 pm : link
like the hotel
Wasn't Tom Brady's wr's all faily short? If they can get separation  
Jack Stroud : 6/17/2024 6:08 pm : link
height should not matter.
I'm with Toth  
KraZee : 6/17/2024 6:13 pm : link
I think that Wandale, while diminutive, is a major threat to have a huge year if he remains healthy. Like 80 catches and 1,000 yds type huge. He can use his shiftiness to elude the first tackle well and he can also line up and go deep if they deploy him that way periodically. Guy has very good hands, wheels, off the charts change of direction skills and in this offense I think he will sit down in space to be an outlet for Jones at the 7 yd spot post line of scrimmage. With Jones likely to be the QB unless hurt again...expect lots of Jones to Wandale R plays. Where DJ will struggle will be waiting for Hyatt and Nabers and to a smaller extent Theo J and Bellinger to release late. But all that means is more burn for Wandale
Tim, maybe you want the ‘other’ Robinson playing the slot. He has the  
Ivan15 : 6/17/2024 6:17 pm : link
Experience.
RE: You  
TimsGiants : 6/17/2024 6:21 pm : link
In comment 16538511 Toth029 said:
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Will find a lot of people who will disagree with you in regards to Wan'Dale.

He's an ascending player and has not had a true #1 threat to play alongside him. Same goes for Hyatt. These guys getting Nabers in the mix is a huge step up for all of their ability and allows Daboll to be more creative with mismatches.

The Giants did sign a vet as insurance in Isaiah McKenzie.


Yeah that's a big reason I made the post because I've been seeing alot of hype on Robinson around here. I know he can make plays but his size is what is concerning to me. Cruz, Tate and Shepard could still battle for the ball if they didn't outright beat their man. They could play bigger than their size.
you gotta love  
mittenedman : 6/17/2024 6:30 pm : link
how these guys complement eachother. they all have inside out versatility, they all play the slot....they are interchangeable like daboll wants
This could be a fun group to watch grow together.  
solarmike : 6/17/2024 6:40 pm : link
I'm optimistic that our OL will improve and these WR's can have a chance to shine. It's not gonna be easy but if we can get a running game going and an OL who can cut our sacks by 50% (85 sacks in 2023) then I'm a very happy camper "being average" for now. I know that I'm dreaming but it beats the alternative.




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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/17/2024 6:42 pm : link
Outside of Nabers, Robinson is the one dude on offense I'm super stoked to watch this fall.
So, you don't know Hyatt's name but  
robbieballs2003 : 6/17/2024 6:56 pm : link
we're supposed to take this thread seriously? You are fine with Hyatt who has proven nothing but worried about Robinson who has shown he is pretty damn good. Got it.
RE: So, you don't know Hyatt's name but  
TimsGiants : 6/17/2024 7:09 pm : link
In comment 16538535 robbieballs2003 said:
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we're supposed to take this thread seriously? You are fine with Hyatt who has proven nothing but worried about Robinson who has shown he is pretty damn good. Got it.

I disagree... I think Hyatt has proven himself in his limited opportunities.
I am more  
TommyWiseau : 6/17/2024 7:13 pm : link
worried about Hyatt then I am about a healthy Robinson.
Don't sleep on  
aquidneck : 6/17/2024 7:16 pm : link
Slayton.
RE: This could be a fun group to watch grow together.  
TimsGiants : 6/17/2024 7:16 pm : link
In comment 16538530 solarmike said:
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I'm optimistic that our OL will improve and these WR's can have a chance to shine. It's not gonna be easy but if we can get a running game going and an OL who can cut our sacks by 50% (85 sacks in 2023) then I'm a very happy camper "being average" for now. I know that I'm dreaming but it beats the alternative.




Yeah I'm optimistic every year. Really thought last year we were gonna be a solid team but wow that's was a rough season. If anything I'm pretty confident we're going to be better this year.
RE: Don't sleep on  
TimsGiants : 6/17/2024 7:21 pm : link
In comment 16538544 aquidneck said:
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Slayton.



Yeah he could be a huge factor. Nabers in the slot more with Slayton and Hyatt outside and Robinson running his quick INS and outs
Tim  
Giants : 6/17/2024 7:24 pm : link
Did you not watch the Giants last season? Robinson stood out and that was on team with a horrible OL and no true #1 WR to watch out for.
I’m actually most confident in Robinson  
BillT : 6/17/2024 7:25 pm : link
He’s shown he has the talent and he’s finally healthy and has enough experience. He’s going to be a major factor.
I think the perspective of the competition is  
eric2425ny : 6/17/2024 7:25 pm : link
important. CeeDee Lamb recently stated that Wan’Dale is one of his top sleeper receivers to have a breakout campaign in 2024.

If Nabers is the goods you have him as the line up anywhere true #1 WR, Hyatt as the deep threat, and Wan’Dale as the YAC receiver who can catch 100+ balls and be a third down machine (kind of like Steve Smith for us back in 2007-2008).
BBIer flames Robinson pick because he's short,  
81_Great_Dane : 6/17/2024 7:56 pm : link
saying he won't succeed in the NFL because no player that short has ever succeeded in the NFL. (Possibly false to begin with, but that was the argument.)

Robinson becomes an important playmaker for the Giants, far exceeding the angry predictions of the BBIer who flamed the pick. He is a good NFL player who still has upside. He's succeeding.

BBIer says he's STILL too small and the wide receiver group would be improved by a declining veteran whose only advantage over Robinson is that he's bigger.

(Sigh.)
Wandale is a weapon.  
HBart : 6/17/2024 8:06 pm : link
He's going to be a big factor this season. Shifty, explosive, fearless, fast little F'er who runs like a much bigger dude.

He's a key reason I'm stoked about the WRs. I have high hopes for Hyatt and expect he'll be a serious weapon at some point but still need to see it. I've already seen it from WDR. He's a stud.

He and Nabers are going to be fun to watch.
RE: You  
logman : 6/17/2024 8:09 pm : link
In comment 16538511 Toth029 said:
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Will find a lot of people who will disagree with you in regards to Wan'Dale.


Yup. Wan'Dale was coming on very nicely at the end of last season and after a full year post-injury. I'm very excited to see what he can do healthy out of camp with no rehab during the offseason.
I think Nabers and Robinson  
Bill in UT : 6/17/2024 8:13 pm : link
will be solid. Hyatt has a terrific upside, but still to be proven on a regular basis
I love the wr talent on this team  
GiantsFan84 : 6/17/2024 8:40 pm : link
All different and unique and excellent at different things
The Giants WR group has potential but is still for now  
Darwinian : 6/17/2024 8:55 pm : link
the worst in the division.

CBS recently did a rundown that placed the Giants in the bottom tier of WR groups. Tier 7: Developmental stage.

Of the Giants, they said:

The Giants are building what I view as a fun receiver room if everyone reaches their potential. Similar to Harrison and the Cardinals, Malik Nabers has the ability to turn into a top-10 receiver in the NFL. He'll be the No. 1 option, but the club also has veterans Darius Slayton and Wan'Dale Robinson. Jalin Hyatt showed some flashes as a deep threat during his rookie season but will look for more consistency as he heads into Year 2.

linked below
Ranking every WR room in the NFL by tiers - ( New Window )
RE: I am more  
djm : 6/17/2024 8:57 pm : link
In comment 16538541 TommyWiseau said:
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worried about Hyatt then I am about a healthy Robinson.


Bingo. Hyatt is a complete unknown. He could be good, bad or somewhere in between. I have next to no doubts about Robinson. He’s already a good player.
RE: RE: I am more  
Darwinian : 6/17/2024 9:04 pm : link
In comment 16538615 djm said:
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worried about Hyatt then I am about a healthy Robinson.



Bingo. Hyatt is a complete unknown. He could be good, bad or somewhere in between. I have next to no doubts about Robinson. He’s already a good player.


I think Robinson has some potential, but he's diminutive and staying on the field is a major question mark. And when he's been on there, the numbers are not jumping out. Y/R, Succ% are all pretty pedestrian. He looks like more of a gadget than an every week workhorse.
I could see Nabers and Hyatt  
Don from CT : 6/17/2024 9:09 pm : link
being similar to Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins if the cards fell right (not saying at that level, however, I would be happy with a slightly lesser version of Chase and Higgins for a year or 2

If D.J has the time, I think he can be competitive.. I do believe Nabers is going to be a stud, Hyatt is very capable in his own right
Robinson  
Toth029 : 6/17/2024 10:28 pm : link
Has had one injury keeping him out any significant time.

Sure, it's a "developmental" group because the best talent from it is a rookie.

The Giants WR group is better than Washington's.
RE: Robinson  
Darwinian : 6/17/2024 11:36 pm : link
In comment 16538655 Toth029 said:
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Has had one injury keeping him out any significant time.

Sure, it's a "developmental" group because the best talent from it is a rookie.

The Giants WR group is better than Washington's.


Maybe by year's end. But Terry McLaurin is the most underrated receiver in the league.
Robinson is a more polished WR than Hyatt...  
DefenseWins : 6/18/2024 5:59 am : link
... if we can keep him on the field, he will be moving the chains for us.
RE: RE: Robinson  
HBart : 6/18/2024 6:28 am : link
In comment 16538670 Darwinian said:
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Has had one injury keeping him out any significant time.

Sure, it's a "developmental" group because the best talent from it is a rookie.

The Giants WR group is better than Washington's.



Maybe by year's end. But Terry McLaurin is the most underrated receiver in the league.

Wandale may be the most underrated receiver in the league. CeeDee Lamb thinks so. He hasn't had a chance to put up numbers yet but he will.

McLaurin’s a terriffic receiver. Model of consistency. Can hurt you for sure. He's the top of the same good WR tier that Slayon's at the bottom of.

As of now the Skins group is "better". We'll see if that lasts, and how long. If I'm right about Nabers, 6 weeks.
RE: RE: RE: Robinson  
Blueworm : 6/18/2024 8:06 am : link
In comment 16538685 HBart said:
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Has had one injury keeping him out any significant time.

Sure, it's a "developmental" group because the best talent from it is a rookie.

The Giants WR group is better than Washington's.



Maybe by year's end. But Terry McLaurin is the most underrated receiver in the league.


Wandale may be the most underrated receiver in the league. CeeDee Lamb thinks so. He hasn't had a chance to put up numbers yet but he will.

McLaurin’s a terriffic receiver. Model of consistency. Can hurt you for sure. He's the top of the same good WR tier that Slayon's at the bottom of.

As of now the Skins group is "better". We'll see if that lasts, and how long. If I'm right about Nabers, 6 weeks.


Can we not let the slur die?
Commanders will do, or commies if you insist.
Robinson is short  
Larry from WV : 6/18/2024 9:18 am : link
but I wouldn't call him small. His only real injury was an ACL, not exactly a contact related injury. He has shown more than any of the top 4 receivers outside of Slayton. I fully expect him to end up 2nd on the team in catches this year.
Nabers, Robinson, Hyatt and Slayton all have the potential to have  
Ira : 6/18/2024 9:26 am : link
thousand yard seasons if the o-line gives Jones and these receivers a little time to run a play.
RE: RE: So, you don't know Hyatt's name but  
gersh : 6/18/2024 9:33 am : link
In comment 16538539 TimsGiants said:
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we're supposed to take this thread seriously? You are fine with Hyatt who has proven nothing but worried about Robinson who has shown he is pretty damn good. Got it.


I disagree... I think Hyatt has proven himself in his limited opportunities.


It's a good thing when people post contrarian views here.
Your concerns about Robinsons limitations are valid, but I agree with others that his abilities are impressive. I also feel confident he will have a big year.

As for Hyatt, he is still a one trick pony, though, its a very good trick. It seems clear to me that he still has a lot of work to do to be a well- rounded WR.

Finally, a word of advice. If you want to maintain credibility, spell names correctly, especially simple ones.
RE: RE: RE: Robinson  
Darwinian : 6/18/2024 9:41 am : link
In comment 16538685 HBart said:
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In comment 16538655 Toth029 said:


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Has had one injury keeping him out any significant time.

Sure, it's a "developmental" group because the best talent from it is a rookie.

The Giants WR group is better than Washington's.



Maybe by year's end. But Terry McLaurin is the most underrated receiver in the league.


Wandale may be the most underrated receiver in the league. CeeDee Lamb thinks so. He hasn't had a chance to put up numbers yet but he will.

McLaurin’s a terriffic receiver. Model of consistency. Can hurt you for sure. He's the top of the same good WR tier that Slayon's at the bottom of.

As of now the Skins group is "better". We'll see if that lasts, and how long. If I'm right about Nabers, 6 weeks.


McLaurin is not in the same tier with Slayton. He has 4 straight 1000 yard seasons and his first season was over 900 yards. I'll grant you that Slayton has been hamstrung by substandard QB play, but so has Scary Terry.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Robinson  
HBart : 6/18/2024 4:40 pm : link
In comment 16538754 Darwinian said:
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In comment 16538655 Toth029 said:


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Has had one injury keeping him out any significant time.

Sure, it's a "developmental" group because the best talent from it is a rookie.

The Giants WR group is better than Washington's.



Maybe by year's end. But Terry McLaurin is the most underrated receiver in the league.


Wandale may be the most underrated receiver in the league. CeeDee Lamb thinks so. He hasn't had a chance to put up numbers yet but he will.

McLaurin’s a terriffic receiver. Model of consistency. Can hurt you for sure. He's the top of the same good WR tier that Slayon's at the bottom of.

As of now the Skins group is "better". We'll see if that lasts, and how long. If I'm right about Nabers, 6 weeks.



McLaurin is not in the same tier with Slayton. He has 4 straight 1000 yard seasons and his first season was over 900 yards. I'll grant you that Slayton has been hamstrung by substandard QB play, but so has Scary Terry.

And you get even funnier. You -- Mr. (cherry picked) Stats Tell All -- the top tier of NFL WRs in 2023 had closer to 1,500 yards. It takes 1,200 just to break into top 10. 1,000 yards in 17 games is much different than in 12.

McClaurin was #28 in yards with 1,002 (good thing he got those 2 yards). I take it back - he's not at the very top of the muddled middle. He's just comfortably in the upper portion. Slayton -- in the shitshow that was 2023 -- was smack in the middle of the muddled middle, 18 spots below McLaurin.
When drafted, Robinson was noted for his Separation  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 6/18/2024 5:45 pm : link
Important for a team with an OL that couldn't give its QB time to wait for plays to develop. Finally healthy, he should see more targets the worse the OL performs.

Fretful?  
gidiefor : Mod : 6/18/2024 6:08 pm : link
In my opinion this (including Wan'Dale) may be one of the best starting Giants' WR groups in my lifetime
RE: Fretful?  
Ira : 6/18/2024 7:03 pm : link
In comment 16539178 gidiefor said:
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In my opinion this (including Wan'Dale) may be one of the best starting Giants' WR groups in my lifetime


I hope so. We'll see how it develops.
I'm curious about WR5  
Milton : 6/18/2024 7:37 pm : link
Nabers, Robinson, Hyatt, and Slayton give them different versions of speed and quickness, but none of the four give them length (I think this was the reason some on BBI (not me!) favored Odunze over Nabers). Will Hodgins be that guy? He and Jones seemed to hit it off in 2022, but he seemed like and afterthought in 2023. Boykin is another strong contender for QB5, but I'd love to see one of the undrafted youngsters step up.
Milton  
mittenedman : 6/19/2024 8:42 pm : link
I wouldn't rule out Bryce Ford-Wheaton for the WR5 either. Big dude, and apparently he had won a roster spot as a gunner last year before the ACL tear.
RE: I'm curious about WR5  
HBart : 6/19/2024 8:56 pm : link
In comment 16539218 Milton said:
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Nabers, Robinson, Hyatt, and Slayton give them different versions of speed and quickness, but none of the four give them length (I think this was the reason some on BBI (not me!) favored Odunze over Nabers). Will Hodgins be that guy? He and Jones seemed to hit it off in 2022, but he seemed like and afterthought in 2023. Boykin is another strong contender for QB5, but I'd love to see one of the undrafted youngsters step up.

Nabers was 80th percentile in catch radius.
RE: Milton  
Milton : 6/19/2024 10:28 pm : link
In comment 16539857 mittenedman said:
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I wouldn't rule out Bryce Ford-Wheaton for the WR5 either. Big dude, and apparently he had won a roster spot as a gunner last year before the ACL tear.
Yeah I include him among the "undrafted youngsters" I mentioned. Definitely someone to pay attention to.
RE: RE: I'm curious about WR5  
Milton : 6/19/2024 10:36 pm : link
In comment 16539865 HBart said:
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Nabers was 80th percentile in catch radius.
Geez, Nabers is Mister Everything, isn't he? Short area quickness, long speed, strong hands, physicality, and the football smarts to maximize it all. There isn't a box he doesn't check!
RE: RE: RE: Robinson  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 6/20/2024 5:19 am : link
He's the top of the same good WR tier that Slayon's at the bottom of.

Is maybe the dumbest thing I’ve ever read here. Congrats
RE: RE: RE: RE: Robinson  
HBart : 6/20/2024 8:39 am : link
In comment 16539965 You'reMyBoyBlue!! said:
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He's the top of the same good WR tier that Slayon's at the bottom of.

Is maybe the dumbest thing I’ve ever read here. Congrats

Why is that? By his own ranking: McLaursin #28. Slayton # 46.

Fuck off.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Robinson  
gersh : 6/20/2024 2:34 pm : link
In comment 16539965 You'reMyBoyBlue!! said:
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He's the top of the same good WR tier that Slayon's at the bottom of.

Is maybe the dumbest thing I’ve ever read here. Congrats


Strange take.
So of all idiocy here - you choose a good post to single out?

The irony is - your post is now among the dumbest I've read here.
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