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Chris in Philly : 6/18/2024 8:59 pm
One of the greatest that ever lived.
My dad always told me  
moze1021 : 6/18/2024 9:00 pm : link
Mays was best player he ever saw

Keith and Gary just said the same.

Very sad
Very sad  
Earl the goat : 6/18/2024 9:01 pm : link
The greatest player

Vic Wertz. Thats all I’ll say
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/18/2024 9:01 pm : link
Way before my time.

His catch vs. Indians is all time great catch.
lol, I would have guessed  
Bill in UT : 6/18/2024 9:03 pm : link
he had already passed. I was a Yankee/Mantle fan, but Willie was a great player. I saw him live at Ebbots Field when I was about 5 years old. RIP, Willie
Greatest player of my youth.  
BigBlueNH : 6/18/2024 9:04 pm : link
He dominated the late 60s, when i became a Mets fan. And made a nice cameo in the incredible 1973 playoff run.
RE: lol, I would have guessed  
Bill in UT : 6/18/2024 9:04 pm : link
In comment 16539276 Bill in UT said:
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he had already passed. I was a Yankee/Mantle fan, but Willie was a great player. I saw him live at Ebbots Field when I was about 5 years old. RIP, Willie


Willie was 93
Perhaps the best of all time  
Matt M. : 6/18/2024 9:05 pm : link
RIP.
Mays, Mantle and Snider are all gone now. RIP Willie Mays.  
Ira : 6/18/2024 9:11 pm : link
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my dad took me to Shea to see him with the Mets  
markky : 6/18/2024 9:15 pm : link
he said he didn't want me to miss the chance to see him play.
My heart  
Joe Beckwith : 6/18/2024 9:17 pm : link
Just cried.
Only the Babe  
bluepepper : 6/18/2024 9:22 pm : link
has any claim to being better than Mays. 2-time MVP but if you look at the numbers there's about 6-7 other years you could make a strong case that he should have gotten it. Dominant player.

RIP
Few can be described as best ever and it not be an exaggeration  
steve in ky : 6/18/2024 9:23 pm : link
He was something else
Not a baseball fan anymore but  
Larry in Pencilvania : 6/18/2024 9:26 pm : link
Mays was one of the GOATS. He was a legend of baseball and sports in general. May he rest well in peace
The Best Ever  
Maggot Brain : 6/18/2024 9:31 pm : link
With all due respect to the Babe, he played in a segregated era and though one of the best hitters of all-time, certainly not the all-around player Mays was.
RIP to one of the GOATS.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/18/2024 9:31 pm : link
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I saw him play a few times at the Polo Grounds before the Giants moved  
Ivan15 : 6/18/2024 9:45 pm : link
As a hitter, he was probably top 5. As an outfielder, he was #1, or #2 at worst. His skill on the bases was underrated because his contributions to other aspects of the game were so important.

Of course, he was my favorite player. I knew this day would come and I knew how I would feel. Like a part of my life is gone.
He was the ultimate 5-tool player -  
Del Shofner : 6/18/2024 9:46 pm : link
he was good in every aspect of the game.

I was a little too young to see him on the NY Giants (not by much) but I saw him with the Mets. And of course saw a lot of him in the 1962 WS with the Yanks, tho the Yanks held him somewhat in check in that series.

Hard to compare eras but he's up there with the very best. RIP.
Hopefully  
Mark from Jersey : 6/18/2024 9:58 pm : link
he gets an intentional walk for bobby t in heaven.

RIP one of the greats.
Another one of the greats gone.  
Blue21 : 6/18/2024 10:00 pm : link
RIP Willie.
He’s been considered the best living player for decades.  
bceagle05 : 6/18/2024 10:02 pm : link
I wonder who gets that title now?
RE: The Best Ever  
Lurts : 6/18/2024 10:03 pm : link
In comment 16539323 Maggot Brain said:
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With all due respect to the Babe, he played in a segregated era and though one of the best hitters of all-time, certainly not the all-around player Mays was.


Not disputing that Mays was the greatest of my lifetime but the superior "all-around player" is not so simple, as the Babe was 94-46 as a pitcher, with only five of those wins as a Yankee.
I saw him at Ebbets field  
bluesince56 : 6/18/2024 10:03 pm : link
Vs the Brooklyn Dodgers. Sat with my father in center field. Snyder then Mays playing in same game. What a memory!
RE: My dad always told me  
rnargi : 6/18/2024 10:07 pm : link
In comment 16539270 moze1021 said:
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Mays was best player he ever saw

Keith and Gary just said the same.

Very sad


Same here...and my Dad was a huge Yankees fan.
RE: Mays, Mantle and Snider are all gone now. RIP Willie Mays.  
yalebowl : 6/18/2024 10:08 pm : link
In comment 16539292 Ira said:
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New York owned Center Field in the 1950s
One of my dad’s faves.  
Steve L : 6/18/2024 10:32 pm : link
Him and Musial. One of the best of all time

RIP
My dad's favorite player  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/18/2024 10:41 pm : link
and probably the best all-around baseball player who's ever lived. If he didn't play in the Polo Grounds, how many more HR would he have?

RIP.
I remember  
JoeyBigBlue : 6/18/2024 10:49 pm : link
Joe DiMaggio had to be introduced as the “Greatest Living Ball Player” at public appearances when Mays was a better player. You could argue that Ted Williams was also better. It was disrespectful and arrogant if you ask me.
In the argument for the greatest ever.  
BigBlueBuff : 6/18/2024 10:53 pm : link
He hit 660 and missed two years in his prime to the military. He would’ve broken Babe’s record before Aaron. RIP
Ruth, as noted was also a great pitcher  
Bill in UT : 6/19/2024 12:31 am : link
But keep this in mind as far as him being a great home run hitter:

"Ruth set the Major League Baseball single-season home run record four times, first at 29 (1919), then 54 (1920), 59 (1921), and finally 60 (1927).[12] Ruth's 1920 and 1921 seasons are tied for the widest margin of victory for a home run champion as he topped the next highest total by 35 home runs in each season."
In 2 seasons he hit more than twice the number of home runs as the 2nd place guy. That's pretty incredible.
RIP To The GOAT  
Trainmaster : 6/19/2024 1:12 am : link
Also my Dad’s favorite player.

My Dad was driving to work on rare Saturday morning for him. Stopped to get gas off the old West Side Highway. He noticed the car in front of him had “SAY HEY” license plate. Out pops Willie. My Dad got his autograph (very out of character for my Dad).

When he got home from work, he was grinning from ear to ear recounting his meeting Willie Mays.

Willie outlived my Dad by 30+ years even though my Dad was born less than a year before Willie.

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Jim in Fairfax : 6/19/2024 1:28 am : link


That’s roughly 450 feet from home plate boys and girls.
RE: He’s been considered the best living player for decades.  
Matt M. : 6/19/2024 1:31 am : link
In comment 16539348 bceagle05 said:
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I wonder who gets that title now?
Not many will use it, but Willie's G-d-son, Barry Bonds.
Childhood idol  
floridafan : 6/19/2024 5:19 am : link
He was my favorite sports figure growing up.
During the Mets first year at the Polo grounds the Giants came to town.
My neighbor was a sports photographer for an old paper the Daily Mirror.
At the gane wee met him at the fence on the third base line, while we were talking Willie came over.
I have a picture of me, my cousin and a Little League teammate.
Holding baseballs and staring up at Willie. (don't know what happened to the ball)
Many years later a colleague of mine had the picture signed and it was hung on our bedroom wall.
When we were moving to Portugal I searched out my old teammate and sent him the picture.
I did not realize how much I would miss it.
I was telling this to my wife and she commented we have have a copy of that picture by her parents.
Next time I am in the states I am bringing it back and hanging it up.
RE: The Best Ever  
gridirony : 6/19/2024 6:41 am : link
In comment 16539323 Maggot Brain said:
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With all due respect to the Babe, he played in a segregated era and though one of the best hitters of all-time, certainly not the all-around player Mays was.


Not to diminish Mays in any way, since he was the best of his era, but Babe was near the top as one of the best pitchers of his era. THAT is all-around, in my book.
RE: In the argument for the greatest ever.  
gridirony : 6/19/2024 6:57 am : link
In comment 16539386 BigBlueBuff said:
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He hit 660 and missed two years in his prime to the military. He would’ve broken Babe’s record before Aaron. RIP
Ted Williams missed 3 full years due to military service.

It is often speculated by baseball historians, that if THE TRADE ever happened early in his career, Williams for DiMaggio, and he played during those 3 years, Williams would be the only 800 home run man. The house that Ruth built had a very short porch, compared to Fenway's right field.
Joe B summed it up, heart is in mourning  
ColHowPepper : 6/19/2024 7:54 am : link
like Bill, I saw him play at Ebbets and Polo Grounds—thanks Jim for the iconic still of the greatest catch ever off the bat of 1B Vic Wertz, caught it, whirled and got off a throw toward the infield in one, continuous motion. CF at Polo Grounds to the clubhouses’ steps 480’ lol.

Say Hey Kid’s passing is sad not only for one of the greatest players ever but for the era in which a lot of us grew up, when baseball was transcendent and filled our lives every day of spring, summer, and fall until the Hot Stove League, when I listened to Vince doing spring training games from Vero Beach—Dem Bums’ fan here and a big tip of the cap to the immortal #24. My heart is heavy for him and us because the times during which he made his mark are now even more distant with him gone, they were never recoverable, but it feels like a door closing. RIP
It must have been incredible to see him live  
RCPhoenix : 6/19/2024 8:03 am : link
My Dad was a Giants fan & told me Mays ran like a gazelle. I can only imagine what it was like to attend a game & see him in person.

Mays is the GOAT.
I vaguely rememebr seeing him play in '70 and 71 with SF on TV  
Victor in CT : 6/19/2024 8:08 am : link
and more vivid with the Mets in 72-73 but by the Mets he was a shell of himself. I remember my Dad saying how I missed seeing him in his prime and he was amazing.
Polo Grounds  
ColHowPepper : 6/19/2024 8:52 am : link
where Willie first made his mark just across the river from the original Stadium
RIP Willie  
SomeFan : 6/19/2024 8:52 am : link
Loved how you played stick ball with the kids!
RE: I vaguely rememebr seeing him play in '70 and 71 with SF on TV  
56goat : 6/19/2024 8:58 am : link
In comment 16539461 Victor in CT said:
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and more vivid with the Mets in 72-73 but by the Mets he was a shell of himself. I remember my Dad saying how I missed seeing him in his prime and he was amazing.


Same here, only remember seeing him in the early 70s when I was a kid, but the film doesn't lie. Easily one of the best ever. RIP.
when he first broke in, before Jackie broke the color line  
ColHowPepper : 6/19/2024 9:51 am : link
I saw him play once against the Dodgers in 1956 at Ebbets Field  
Rick in Dallas : 6/19/2024 10:32 am : link
He was electric to watch. He was such a complete player.
He was my second favorite player growing up behind Mickey Mantle.
when we played ball in the late 60s  
Dave on the UWS : 6/19/2024 12:21 pm : link
we all wanted to play CF so we could make the basket catch.
He had that kind of impact on so many of us.
We would get yelled at by our LL coaches all the time.
Our response was always the same: "Willie does it!"
Willie was my father's favorite when he was a kid.  
Matt M. : 6/19/2024 12:23 pm : link
He sort of gave up on baseball when the Giants left, until I came along.

He used to say what you don't often see and what was more impressive than "The Catch" was the throw immediately after.
RE: when he first broke in, before Jackie broke the color line  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/19/2024 1:42 pm : link
In comment 16539527 ColHowPepper said:
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That was actually after Jackie had broken the color line.
what does the best (or damn close) player ever look like?  
djm : 6/19/2024 2:03 pm : link
23 seasons (although I counted 24, whatever)

lifetime avg - 301
Lifetime RBIs - 1909
lifetime OBP - 384
lifetime OPS - 940 ---stupid stat!
Lifetime HRs - 660
--11 gold gloves

From 1951 to 1972 he was basically awesome, eclipsing 800 OPS every year save for 1967 and 1969 where he got to 787 and 798, respectively. 1952 and 53 were interrupted due to military service.

amazingly  
djm : 6/19/2024 2:06 pm : link
940 OPS (Willie) is 33rd all time

1 Babe Ruth* 1.1636
2 Ted Williams* 1.1155
3 Lou Gehrig* 1.0798
4 Oscar Charleston* 1.0632
5 Barry Bonds 1.0512
6 Jimmie Foxx* 1.0376
7 Turkey Stearnes* 1.0340
8 Mule Suttles* 1.0276
9 Hank Greenberg* 1.0169
10 Rogers Hornsby* 1.0103
11 Manny Ramírez .9960
12 Aaron Judge .9925
13 Mike Trout .9913


Judge is the active leader....
OPS all time leaders - ( New Window )
RE: RE: when he first broke in, before Jackie broke the color line  
Matt M. : 6/19/2024 2:31 pm : link
In comment 16539708 Jim in Fairfax said:
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That was actually after Jackie had broken the color line.
That picture was, but Mays played for Birmingham as a teen, while still in HS.
RE: RE: RE: when he first broke in, before Jackie broke the color line  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/19/2024 2:56 pm : link
In comment 16539731 Matt M. said:
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That was actually after Jackie had broken the color line.

That picture was, but Mays played for Birmingham as a teen, while still in HS.

Yes: In 1948, a year after Robinson debuted in Brooklyn.
RE: amazingly  
Bill in UT : 6/19/2024 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16539716 djm said:
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940 OPS (Willie) is 33rd all time

1 Babe Ruth* 1.1636
2 Ted Williams* 1.1155
3 Lou Gehrig* 1.0798
4 Oscar Charleston* 1.0632
5 Barry Bonds 1.0512
6 Jimmie Foxx* 1.0376
7 Turkey Stearnes* 1.0340
8 Mule Suttles* 1.0276
9 Hank Greenberg* 1.0169
10 Rogers Hornsby* 1.0103
11 Manny Ramírez .9960
12 Aaron Judge .9925
13 Mike Trout .9913


Judge is the active leader.... OPS all time leaders - ( New Window )


One last thing about Ruth- he did all that shit drunk. Imagine if he'd played sober
RE: RE: He’s been considered the best living player for decades.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2024 3:17 pm : link
In comment 16539433 Matt M. said:
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I wonder who gets that title now?

Not many will use it, but Willie's G-d-son, Barry Bonds.


Yep, I was thinking Bonds or Griffey. I might lean Griffey. Koufax is probably the most revered, if you want to include pitchers.
The greatest living player now is  
speedywheels : 6/19/2024 5:36 pm : link
Hank Aaron, IMHO
RE: The greatest living player now is  
JoeyBigBlue : 6/19/2024 5:41 pm : link
In comment 16539798 speedywheels said:
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Hank Aaron, IMHO


Aaron died in 2021.
RE: RE: The greatest living player now is  
speedywheels : 6/19/2024 6:31 pm : link
In comment 16539799 JoeyBigBlue said:
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In comment 16539798 speedywheels said:


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Hank Aaron, IMHO



Aaron died in 2021.


He's dead? Well cross him off the list, then! :-)
RE: RE: amazingly  
djm : 6/20/2024 10:51 am : link
In comment 16539747 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 16539716 djm said:


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940 OPS (Willie) is 33rd all time

1 Babe Ruth* 1.1636
2 Ted Williams* 1.1155
3 Lou Gehrig* 1.0798
4 Oscar Charleston* 1.0632
5 Barry Bonds 1.0512
6 Jimmie Foxx* 1.0376
7 Turkey Stearnes* 1.0340
8 Mule Suttles* 1.0276
9 Hank Greenberg* 1.0169
10 Rogers Hornsby* 1.0103
11 Manny Ramírez .9960
12 Aaron Judge .9925
13 Mike Trout .9913


Judge is the active leader.... OPS all time leaders - ( New Window )



One last thing about Ruth- he did all that shit drunk. Imagine if he'd played sober


I think there was a game where he ate 12 hot dogs throughout the affair. Honestly that might be even more of an achievment than playing drunk lol.
RIP  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/20/2024 11:47 am : link
one of the great American athletes ever.

Generally, the 4 Baseball position player GOATs are Cobb/Ruth/Mays/Bonds. Cobb in the pre-HR era, Ruth in the "HR are a thing now" era, Mays in the post-integration modern game era, Bonds in the last 50 years era if you ignore the roids.

He was probably the most complete player ever. Although other players like Ruth/Bonds and even his contemporary in Mantle likely peaked higher, Mays' consistently awesome play was amazing.

He won an MVP in '54 as a 23 year old, and an MVP in '65 as 34 year old (finished 3rd as a 35 year old the next year). He was just so good for so long and did it all over the field. The best 5 tool player ever.
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