Tiki or Saquan?
For me, it's TIKI all day, every day!
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- How much weight do you give to the supporting cast? Tiki had Eli, Plax, Amani, Shockey, an actual line and superior coaching. Saquon had, well, none of that.
Still, Tiki's prime was league-MVP caliber. He was unstoppable.
- For those saying Saquon (probably never saw Tiki play), please take a moment to look up what Tiki did. 7 straight seasons over 1400 combined yards. 5 straight 1000 yard rushing season, and 3 straight season of OVER 2000 combined yards.
- If they were both healthy I’d take Barkley but if we’re talking about real life I’d take Tiki
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Lol. What? Tiki was by far the better RB.
Don't let Barber's bad behavior toward TC sway you.
Think Tiki had three years similar.
Marcus Allen and Marshall Faulk
Bullshit. Tiki did not have good OL play most of his career. Tike was an east-west runner that didn't need much to slip past defenders. Tiki was a better blocker and pass catcher. Tiki could score from any point on the field.
Only way Barkely's prime is better is if his prime is still ahead of him in Philadelphia.
Barkley wasn't a great Giant. In fact beside the enormous mistake of drafting him and the annoying unfounded proclamations of how good he was it's difficult to remember anything about him as a player.
Drafting him was one of the worst personnel decisions the Giants made in my four decades as a fan, if not the worst.
Really? No.
Barkley couldn't stay on the field. Wasn't better than Tiki catching passes and couldn't avoid big hits. We all know that Barkley lacked situational awareness.
I really don't see the debate here.
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But if you are starting a team and looking at who you could depend on to carry the team in coming years then Tiki
Really? No.
Yes really. People forget just how dynamic Barkley was his rookie season because of how quickly it soured but he did things his rookie season that I’ve only seen Sayers do. Tiki by far has the better career, but he wasn’t equal to Barkley when it comes to who’s the better more gifted runner at his peak for one afternoon.
People also forget how Tiki struggled early on and how hard he worked at becoming such a magnificent and complete runner. Tiki for career yes, but if your life was on the line and needed one game you have to go Barkley
In their prime, Tiki outperformed Barkley. Tiki had 3 seasons that statistically were better than Barkleys best.
I think if anyone thinks this is close, it's only recency bias and forget how impactful Tiki truly was.
Take one game. Who do you trust more to finish the game healthy?
Who do you trust more to make a key 3rd down conversion on a catch or run?
Who do you trust more to get 1 yard on a 3rd or 4th and 1?
My answer is Tiki on all of the above.
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But if you are starting a team and looking at who you could depend on to carry the team in coming years then Tiki
Really? No.
Yes really. People forget just how dynamic Barkley was his rookie season because of how quickly it soured but he did things his rookie season that I’ve only seen Sayers do. Tiki by far has the better career, but he wasn’t equal to Barkley when it comes to who’s the better more gifted runner at his peak for one afternoon.
People also forget how Tiki struggled early on and how hard he worked at becoming such a magnificent and complete runner. Tiki for career yes, but if your life was on the line and needed one game you have to go Barkley
I forgot neither. Not even close. I'll take Barber. Tiki did have issues early and with fumbling. That end after year three.
Honorable mention goes to Rodney Hampton. Two pro bowls, five straight 1k+ seasons (and nearly a sixth). Guy was a workhorse on a terrible offense most of his career.
If the question is who had the best individual season, I still think it's Barber. 2004 was pound for pound his best season. That 2004 line was not the strong unit it would develop into, they had the quarterback change, and Hufnagel was in over his head.
If the question is who had the best individual season, I still think it's Barber. 2004 was pound for pound his best season. That 2004 line was not the strong unit it would develop into, they had the quarterback change, and Hufnagel was in over his head.
Tiki was excellent his last 2-3 years in the league. He could take over a game. Not a huge back by any means, but ran tough and had great instincts.
It’s hard to tell sometimes how good backs will be when they get to the NFL. Barkley for example seemed to always have big holes to run through at Penn State and his athleticism allowed him to dominate at that level. In the NFL you need that vision and instincts, to not only find the hole, but also to know when a play is over and take the yardage you can get while preserving your health. Barkley never got away from trying to hit the home run every play.
Between the two talked about on this thread it is Barber and it isn't close.
One more season at the level of production he had in the previous 5, and Tiki’s in the HOF, especially if that one season needed with a SB win. There were games where Tiki put the team on his back, many of them “must-win” games too. He may have been a bit of a dick, but he was a special player.
If you accept Barley’s one season as his prime, He is my choice, but by any other measure including being a big game player, Tiki would be my pick.
Tiki is the no brainer.
We know that answer especially since one OL had a prime that lasted about 7 years while the other OL was lucky to get prime rib.
Which back was more productive is the easy answer. It's TIKI in a landslide. Not sure Barkley doesn't rush for 10000 yards from 2000-2006 in his sleep, but we'll never know. Tiki was a wonderful player and underrated prior to 2004.
If you accept Barley’s one season as his prime, He is my choice, but by any other measure including being a big game player, Tiki would be my pick.
No he wasn't. Look at Barber's 2005 stats 1860 rushing and 530 receiving - 2390 yards. His 2004 and 2006 were right there, also.
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Bradshaw doesn't even crack the top 5
I think Tiki was a more football savvy player once he figured out the fumbling issue.
Barkley wasn't a great Giant. In fact beside the enormous mistake of drafting him and the annoying unfounded proclamations of how good he was it's difficult to remember anything about him as a player.
Drafting him was one of the worst personnel decisions the Giants made in my four decades as a fan, if not the worst.
I agree with all this with the one caveat that SB did have one great year. If his career had continued like that he would have been a HOF RB. And still not worth the 2nd pick in the draft.
Tiki had tremendous vision and was great as a receiver.
And for the line, people need to re-look at the 2004-2005 lines again. Especially 2004. This wasn't the 2008-2010 line.
Saquon’s career is a disappointment, even without the lofty expectations.
Giants RB I would rather have in their prime than Saquon (those I’ve watched play):
Tiki
Ron Johnson
Rodney Hampton
Ahmad Bradshaw
Joe Morris
Doug Kotar
Brandon Jacobs
Could probably make an argument for a few others.
He was a returner/3rd down back primarily his first few years. And he had the fumbling issues.
Once he cleaned that up and studied the NFL game more he became elite.
If you listen to him talk about running angles, lanes, blocking, and absorbing contact it's truly next level stuff. He was such a smart player. But he wasn't always. Unlike Barkley he wasn't really a plug n play RB.
I do wonder how much of a role TC played in Tiki's growth, and Barkley's career isn't done so this is a little early, but regardless when Barkley's career is over I think it will still be Tiki.