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Which Giants RB would you rather have in their prime...

KingBlue : 6/19/2024 9:07 am
Tiki or Saquan?

For me, it's TIKI all day, every day!

Some comments from link below:

- How much weight do you give to the supporting cast? Tiki had Eli, Plax, Amani, Shockey, an actual line and superior coaching. Saquon had, well, none of that.

Still, Tiki's prime was league-MVP caliber. He was unstoppable.

- For those saying Saquon (probably never saw Tiki play), please take a moment to look up what Tiki did. 7 straight seasons over 1400 combined yards. 5 straight 1000 yard rushing season, and 3 straight season of OVER 2000 combined yards.

- If they were both healthy I’d take Barkley but if we’re talking about real life I’d take Tiki



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Barkley is a better RB than TIKI  
George from PA : 6/19/2024 9:10 am : link
Tiki with his OL had better results
RE: Barkley is a better RB than TIKI  
robbieballs2003 : 6/19/2024 9:13 am : link
In comment 16539486 George from PA said:
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Tiki with his OL had better results


Lol. What? Tiki was by far the better RB.
Tiki -  
section125 : 6/19/2024 9:16 am : link
he was 1 maybe 2 seasons from HoF, easily. Barkley isn't even a thought as HoF.

Don't let Barber's bad behavior toward TC sway you.
Saquans Prime  
Capt. Don : 6/19/2024 9:18 am : link
Was his rookie year and he was the best back in the league. Unfortunately his prime was 1 year long. That said, his prime was better thank Tiki's.
RE: Saquans Prime  
section125 : 6/19/2024 9:23 am : link
In comment 16539492 Capt. Don said:
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Was his rookie year and he was the best back in the league. Unfortunately his prime was 1 year long. That said, his prime was better thank Tiki's.


Think Tiki had three years similar.
Saquon also wasn’t nearly the weapon …  
Crispino : 6/19/2024 9:24 am : link
Tiki was catching the ball out of the backfield. Tiki was a douche, but he was a hell of a weapon. I take Tiki all day.
I agree that Tiki's receiving was a big plus and add to that the fact  
Ira : 6/19/2024 9:27 am : link
that he didn't get injured nearly as much as Saquon. I think Tiki is the clear choice.
Tiki is one of only 3 players with 10k rushing and 5k receiving  
KingBlue : 6/19/2024 9:39 am : link
The others?

Marcus Allen and Marshall Faulk
RE: Barkley is a better RB than TIKI  
compton : 6/19/2024 9:41 am : link
In comment 16539486 George from PA said:
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Tiki with his OL had better results


Bullshit. Tiki did not have good OL play most of his career. Tike was an east-west runner that didn't need much to slip past defenders. Tiki was a better blocker and pass catcher. Tiki could score from any point on the field.
Tiki got better and better  
aquidneck : 6/19/2024 9:45 am : link
as his career progressed, stayed healthy and had superior vision.

Only way Barkely's prime is better is if his prime is still ahead of him in Philadelphia.
Barkley isn't in Tiki's universe  
Go Terps : 6/19/2024 9:49 am : link
I'd also much rather have Bradshaw, Jacobs, Hampton, Anderson, or Morris than Barkley.

Barkley wasn't a great Giant. In fact beside the enormous mistake of drafting him and the annoying unfounded proclamations of how good he was it's difficult to remember anything about him as a player.

Drafting him was one of the worst personnel decisions the Giants made in my four decades as a fan, if not the worst.
Tiki  
Dankbeerman : 6/19/2024 9:50 am : link
all day every day. More consistent plus a better receiver, blocker, and returner. He may even have more explosive plays.

One game on the line I’d take Barkley in his prime  
steve in ky : 6/19/2024 9:51 am : link
But if you are starting a team and looking at who you could depend on to carry the team in coming years then Tiki
Tiki had something Saquon could only dream of  
BigBlue7 : 6/19/2024 9:57 am : link
vision and instincts

RE: One game on the line I’d take Barkley in his prime  
section125 : 6/19/2024 9:58 am : link
In comment 16539525 steve in ky said:
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But if you are starting a team and looking at who you could depend on to carry the team in coming years then Tiki


Really? No.
Tiki could run between the tackles...  
KingBlue : 6/19/2024 10:01 am : link
He was a true workhorse...Saquan? Not so much.
Tiki had longevity  
TrueBlue56 : 6/19/2024 10:12 am : link
He had pass catching ability, knew how to avoid big hits. He also had situational awareness.

Barkley couldn't stay on the field. Wasn't better than Tiki catching passes and couldn't avoid big hits. We all know that Barkley lacked situational awareness.

I really don't see the debate here.
RE: RE: One game on the line I’d take Barkley in his prime  
steve in ky : 6/19/2024 10:14 am : link
In comment 16539531 section125 said:
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But if you are starting a team and looking at who you could depend on to carry the team in coming years then Tiki



Really? No.


Yes really. People forget just how dynamic Barkley was his rookie season because of how quickly it soured but he did things his rookie season that I’ve only seen Sayers do. Tiki by far has the better career, but he wasn’t equal to Barkley when it comes to who’s the better more gifted runner at his peak for one afternoon.

People also forget how Tiki struggled early on and how hard he worked at becoming such a magnificent and complete runner. Tiki for career yes, but if your life was on the line and needed one game you have to go Barkley
The question is about their primes  
UConn4523 : 6/19/2024 10:15 am : link
of course no one would take Barkeys career over Tikis. But Primes? A lot closer for anyone being objective.
Tiki...  
Porch622 : 6/19/2024 10:21 am : link
Last three years of his career he was consistently dominant, put the team on his back type player. Saquon showed flashes of that type of play but was never had a consistent three year run like Tiki had.
Tiki  
GF1080 : 6/19/2024 10:22 am : link
Easily. Prime and career. It's not particularly close. I don't know if you guys have recency bias but Tiki basically did everything better than Saquon except maybe top end speed which Barkley only had his rookie year.
RE: The question is about their primes  
TrueBlue56 : 6/19/2024 10:25 am : link
In comment 16539544 UConn4523 said:
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of course no one would take Barkeys career over Tikis. But Primes? A lot closer for anyone being objective.


In their prime, Tiki outperformed Barkley. Tiki had 3 seasons that statistically were better than Barkleys best.

I think if anyone thinks this is close, it's only recency bias and forget how impactful Tiki truly was.

Take one game. Who do you trust more to finish the game healthy?

Who do you trust more to make a key 3rd down conversion on a catch or run?

Who do you trust more to get 1 yard on a 3rd or 4th and 1?

My answer is Tiki on all of the above.
RE: RE: RE: One game on the line I’d take Barkley in his prime  
section125 : 6/19/2024 10:32 am : link
In comment 16539543 steve in ky said:
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But if you are starting a team and looking at who you could depend on to carry the team in coming years then Tiki



Really? No.



Yes really. People forget just how dynamic Barkley was his rookie season because of how quickly it soured but he did things his rookie season that I’ve only seen Sayers do. Tiki by far has the better career, but he wasn’t equal to Barkley when it comes to who’s the better more gifted runner at his peak for one afternoon.

People also forget how Tiki struggled early on and how hard he worked at becoming such a magnificent and complete runner. Tiki for career yes, but if your life was on the line and needed one game you have to go Barkley


I forgot neither. Not even close. I'll take Barber. Tiki did have issues early and with fumbling. That end after year three.
Tiki in every way. Runner, receiver, blocker  
Victor in CT : 6/19/2024 10:34 am : link
got the tough yards as well as the big plays. once TCs staff resolved the fumble issue he was top shelf.
You don’t seem to be taking the team into consideration  
UConn4523 : 6/19/2024 10:34 am : link
Barkleys rookie year, and even HAS 2019 and 2022 would be monstrous with those Tiki teams, IMO. And I’m not even saying it’s a slam dunk, just that’s it’s closer than people think
Tiki  
GF1080 : 6/19/2024 10:36 am : link
One game on the line and Tiki carried the Giants to the playoffs. 20 carries 240 yards 3 TDs or something close to that.
Early  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/19/2024 10:36 am : link
1990s version of Rodney Hampton was pretty darn special.
Barkley also had a penchant of running out of bounds  
SirLoinOfBeef : 6/19/2024 10:37 am : link
when we were in the rare position to run out the clock late 4Q.

I’ll take Tiki  
eric2425ny : 6/19/2024 10:37 am : link
better rushing instincts than Barkley.

Honorable mention goes to Rodney Hampton. Two pro bowls, five straight 1k+ seasons (and nearly a sixth). Guy was a workhorse on a terrible offense most of his career.
 
christian : 6/19/2024 10:39 am : link
Barkley's prime lasted one year, so if that's the real criteria, Barber is an easy choice.

If the question is who had the best individual season, I still think it's Barber. 2004 was pound for pound his best season. That 2004 line was not the strong unit it would develop into, they had the quarterback change, and Hufnagel was in over his head.
RE: …  
eric2425ny : 6/19/2024 10:47 am : link
In comment 16539569 christian said:
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Barkley's prime lasted one year, so if that's the real criteria, Barber is an easy choice.

If the question is who had the best individual season, I still think it's Barber. 2004 was pound for pound his best season. That 2004 line was not the strong unit it would develop into, they had the quarterback change, and Hufnagel was in over his head.


Tiki was excellent his last 2-3 years in the league. He could take over a game. Not a huge back by any means, but ran tough and had great instincts.

It’s hard to tell sometimes how good backs will be when they get to the NFL. Barkley for example seemed to always have big holes to run through at Penn State and his athleticism allowed him to dominate at that level. In the NFL you need that vision and instincts, to not only find the hole, but also to know when a play is over and take the yardage you can get while preserving your health. Barkley never got away from trying to hit the home run every play.
Tiki 100%!  
Fishmanjim57 : 6/19/2024 10:56 am : link
Once a Giant/Always a Giant/forever a Giant!
Wow.  
Hades07 : 6/19/2024 10:56 am : link
Barkley isn't a consideration here. He has lived his entire NFL career on his college reputation more than his NFL performance.

Between the two talked about on this thread it is Barber and it isn't close.
RE: Early  
Hades07 : 6/19/2024 11:02 am : link
In comment 16539561 Eric from BBI said:
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1990s version of Rodney Hampton was pretty darn special.
I would say he was special for most of his Giants tenure. When the Giants had nothing except for Hampton and everyone in the building knew he was getting the ball, he still performed. Not many would be successful in that situation. Barkley mostly wasn't.
Tiki  
BlueVinnie : 6/19/2024 11:03 am : link
It was an easy decision for me.
Tiki, and it isn’t especially close.  
Section331 : 6/19/2024 11:05 am : link
Yes, Tiki benefited from a better OL (and a better QB), but he was a far better receiver and pass protector. And even running the ball, Tiki had a better eye for gaps, and was more willing to lower his shoulders to grind out tough yards.

One more season at the level of production he had in the previous 5, and Tiki’s in the HOF, especially if that one season needed with a SB win. There were games where Tiki put the team on his back, many of them “must-win” games too. He may have been a bit of a dick, but he was a special player.
I think most would have to agree that Barkley, for that 1 season, was  
Ivan15 : 6/19/2024 11:21 am : link
Better than any Giants RB ever. He was a threat to score from anywhere by running or receiving. Because of injuries and the team he had, he never got to prove himself in a big game scenario or to do it again in a second season. Barkley’s second season could have been better than his first.

If you accept Barley’s one season as his prime, He is my choice, but by any other measure including being a big game player, Tiki would be my pick.
Tiki would single handily end games with his play  
Ben in Tampa : 6/19/2024 11:36 am : link
Barkley would often keep opponents in games by his dumb ass mistakes late in the 4th quarter.

Tiki is the no brainer.
which OL  
djm : 6/19/2024 11:37 am : link
would you rather have in its......lol...prime.

We know that answer especially since one OL had a prime that lasted about 7 years while the other OL was lucky to get prime rib.

Which back was more productive is the easy answer. It's TIKI in a landslide. Not sure Barkley doesn't rush for 10000 yards from 2000-2006 in his sleep, but we'll never know. Tiki was a wonderful player and underrated prior to 2004.
Can I choose Bradshaw?  
DonQuixote : 6/19/2024 11:43 am : link
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RE: I think most would have to agree that Barkley, for that 1 season, was  
section125 : 6/19/2024 11:54 am : link
In comment 16539593 Ivan15 said:
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Better than any Giants RB ever. He was a threat to score from anywhere by running or receiving. Because of injuries and the team he had, he never got to prove himself in a big game scenario or to do it again in a second season. Barkley’s second season could have been better than his first.

If you accept Barley’s one season as his prime, He is my choice, but by any other measure including being a big game player, Tiki would be my pick.


No he wasn't. Look at Barber's 2005 stats 1860 rushing and 530 receiving - 2390 yards. His 2004 and 2006 were right there, also.
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RE: Can I choose Bradshaw?  
KingBlue : 6/19/2024 12:12 pm : link
In comment 16539607 DonQuixote said:
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Bradshaw doesn't even crack the top 5
Tiki  
upnyg : 6/19/2024 12:21 pm : link
retired at or near his peak play...he could of had another 2-3 years with great stats if he continued to play.

I think Tiki was a more football savvy player once he figured out the fumbling issue.
Tiki and it isn't even close  
56goat : 6/19/2024 12:34 pm : link
Tiki hit the holes hard, missed a lot fewer games (6 in 10 years if I'm not mistaken, none in the last 5 years of his career), and has far superior stats. SB on the other hand...
RE: Barkley isn't in Tiki's universe  
mfjmfj : 6/19/2024 12:36 pm : link
In comment 16539522 Go Terps said:
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I'd also much rather have Bradshaw, Jacobs, Hampton, Anderson, or Morris than Barkley.

Barkley wasn't a great Giant. In fact beside the enormous mistake of drafting him and the annoying unfounded proclamations of how good he was it's difficult to remember anything about him as a player.

Drafting him was one of the worst personnel decisions the Giants made in my four decades as a fan, if not the worst.


I agree with all this with the one caveat that SB did have one great year. If his career had continued like that he would have been a HOF RB. And still not worth the 2nd pick in the draft.
RE: Barkley is a better RB than TIKI  
Toth029 : 6/19/2024 12:40 pm : link
In comment 16539486 George from PA said:
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Tiki with his OL had better results


Tiki had tremendous vision and was great as a receiver.

And for the line, people need to re-look at the 2004-2005 lines again. Especially 2004. This wasn't the 2008-2010 line.
Definitely Tiki  
Maggot Brain : 6/19/2024 1:11 pm : link
As someone who began going to games in 1967, I honestly believe Saquon barely belongs in the top 5. Tiki could get you the tough yards, was much better as a pass protector, turned many a screen pass into big gainers, was healthy and consistent from game to game and year to year. I would also take Hampton, Morris, Johnson, and maybe even Carpenter over Saquon. One great year does not make a career. Bye Felicia.
Barkleys best season would rank  
chuckydee9 : 6/19/2024 1:16 pm : link
somewhere between Tikis 4th or 5th best season. Tikis season under TC were all far better and no the OL wasn't good back then. Tiki had one of the best Peaks of all time and Barkley had 1 good season.
Not close  
gary_from_chester : 6/19/2024 1:44 pm : link
Tiki is a legit HOF.

Saquon’s career is a disappointment, even without the lofty expectations.

Giants RB I would rather have in their prime than Saquon (those I’ve watched play):

Tiki
Ron Johnson
Rodney Hampton
Ahmad Bradshaw
Joe Morris
Doug Kotar
Brandon Jacobs

Could probably make an argument for a few others.
I kind of view Tiki  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2024 1:52 pm : link
as a rarity. He got better every year until he became elite.

He was a returner/3rd down back primarily his first few years. And he had the fumbling issues.

Once he cleaned that up and studied the NFL game more he became elite.

If you listen to him talk about running angles, lanes, blocking, and absorbing contact it's truly next level stuff. He was such a smart player. But he wasn't always. Unlike Barkley he wasn't really a plug n play RB.

I do wonder how much of a role TC played in Tiki's growth, and Barkley's career isn't done so this is a little early, but regardless when Barkley's career is over I think it will still be Tiki.

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