the giants gameplan will be predicated on what they can do to win games.
if daboll thinks they can win with a high % of 3 by 1 sets with with a pass first offense with DJ they will be one of the worst teams in the league and hes probably getting fired.
i think DJ is a game manager type QB at best, if you ask too much, you will lose. fumbles, ints, etc etc.
his strengths are QB runs/scrambles/read option, short/accurate passing game and not have him do full field reads long holds. balance being key with run/pass split.
I think daboll will play to those strengths, while trying to open it up a bit with easy 1 on 1 shots but still focused on the core that he does well with running the ball being a focus.
given this - i dont think our WRs will have big years which was the main point. over under 800-900 yards for nabors.
the giants gameplan will be predicated on what they can do to win games.
if daboll thinks they can win with a high % of 3 by 1 sets with with a pass first offense with DJ they will be one of the worst teams in the league and hes probably getting fired.
i think DJ is a game manager type QB at best, if you ask too much, you will lose. fumbles, ints, etc etc.
his strengths are QB runs/scrambles/read option, short/accurate passing game and not have him do full field reads long holds. balance being key with run/pass split.
I think daboll will play to those strengths, while trying to open it up a bit with easy 1 on 1 shots but still focused on the core that he does well with running the ball being a focus.
given this - i dont think our WRs will have big years which was the main point. over under 800-900 yards for nabors.
Then we have the wrong GM and HC. Because they are going to throw the ball. It's clear based on everything they've done and what has been reported already from this spring.
I think when reading tea leaves we can all see signals of maybe where we want or think things should go.
Singeltary for instance has never come close to the 76 pass targets Barkely did in 2022. The Giants also signed two blocking tight ends as well ads drafting a pass catching tight end.
To me it's less a matter of run vs. pass attempts, and more about how the Giants plan to achieve plays by yards.
Do they plan to achieve 0-10 yard gains through a lot of short passes at or near the line?
Do they plan to achieve 10-20 gains with balls thrown in the air that far or with passes intended for YAC?
Can they start putting up those 20 yard chunk plays at a strong clip?
I think at the risk at re-torturing the horse's corpse, this all comes down to Daniel Jones and pass protection.
the giants gameplan will be predicated on what they can do to win games.
if daboll thinks they can win with a high % of 3 by 1 sets with with a pass first offense with DJ they will be one of the worst teams in the league and hes probably getting fired.
i think DJ is a game manager type QB at best, if you ask too much, you will lose. fumbles, ints, etc etc.
his strengths are QB runs/scrambles/read option, short/accurate passing game and not have him do full field reads long holds. balance being key with run/pass split.
I think daboll will play to those strengths, while trying to open it up a bit with easy 1 on 1 shots but still focused on the core that he does well with running the ball being a focus.
given this - i dont think our WRs will have big years which was the main point. over under 800-900 yards for nabors.
You are not paying attention. He didn't draft all those playmakers to play cautiously. They RBs he picked up are pass catching players.
And Jones, fwiw, turnovers have dropped dramatically. Yes last year was a minor retro, but still he has been infinitely better than his early days. I agree that I do not expect a big change in the player. But since 2022 they have added Hyatt, Nabers, Theo Johnson and in effect Wan'Dale since he got hurt early in 2022. Even picked up fast players as FAs and UDFAs.
Those are not players you go conservative with. Yes the plan may be to hit quick crossers and unders, but these players signal a move from plodding along with 4 yard running plays and hoping Barkley can break one.
I think when reading tea leaves we can all see signals of maybe where we want or think things should go.
Singeltary for instance has never come close to the 76 pass targets Barkely did in 2022. The Giants also signed two blocking tight ends as well ads drafting a pass catching tight end.
To me it's less a matter of run vs. pass attempts, and more about how the Giants plan to achieve plays by yards.
Do they plan to achieve 0-10 yard gains through a lot of short passes at or near the line?
Do they plan to achieve 10-20 gains with balls thrown in the air that far or with passes intended for YAC?
Can they start putting up those 20 yard chunk plays at a strong clip?
I think at the risk at re-torturing the horse's corpse, this all comes down to Daniel Jones and pass protection.
I get what you are saying and you are not incorrect, but big picture, this coaching staff clearly believes you score points by throwing the football.
The lengths people go to defend indefensible positions.
Forget the name on the back of the QB jersey (I know that's not possible for most BBIers). Watch the video from a guy who actually played for Daboll who says Daboll worked miracles in 2022 specifically because of because of the utter crap we had at WR.
Daboll and Schoen have said repeatedly and specifically they need to get more explosive on offense. To Eric's point, roster construction backs that up. Nothing about it says they're building a run-centric / dink-dunk team -- in fact everything about it says that's exactly what they want to get away from. Film Review: New York Giants head coach Brian Daboll is a GENIUS - ( New Window )
It's this WR group with Daboll running the offense and calling plays.
Look what happened to the Eagles offense when they got AJ Brown and Devonta Smith. Hurts was a joke just like DJ's been (anyone remember him losing to Judge's Giants? He looked like he couldn't complete a pass) and all the sudden he was in the MVP hunt.
I'm expecting this group to change the outlook of this offense significantly, even if the OL continues to suck.
to break the century mark in receptions in a season (Steve Smith and OBJ). Daboll's Giants have attempted just over 500 passes/season and completed about 65% of passes over the 2 seasons (regardless of QB). Nabers should be in line to get 120-130 targets that would have gone to Waller and Saquon, but I think they got to feed him a lot more (140-150 targets) if he is going to pass 100 receptions and push elite WR status next season.
Jones is the question mark. If healthy, he should get to 500 attempts and likely 350 completions based on past performance but he has never really had someone this talented to throw to. Will they get on same page quickly? I think Jones is going to need to for his own sake.
I'm not sure what type of offense they wanted to run last year, be they were 27th in the NFL at 7.3 air yards per attempt.
i think last year they tried to do more of the KC offense and it obviously failed spectacularly. Waller was going to be the Kelce, not unlike the receivers KC had post-Tyreek they were going to try to spread the ball around and scheme speed plays.
there is no doubt they knew jones isn't mahomes, but with his legs and barkleys i think they expected they could a little more explosive passing while maintaining the run game. defense take a step forward with banks/okereke/ashawn/nacho.
what they missed on was...pretty much everything. and now daboll is back on the playcalling and i think going way more direct to what he knows. im not sure how downfield the passing attack will be but i think there will 600+ of them.
made a decision that a force multiplier (Nabers) was the better way to go at 6, rather than a second tier QB (JJM). Only time will tell, but its a sound strategy whether it works out or not.
You can always go after a 2nd tier QB when we have made some foundational improvements this year.
I agree, not sure if you saw my post above, but I think that's the number for both Kafka and Daboll would be 600 ideally. Obviously last year they just plain sucked.
The key obviously is possessions and first downs. They can't be averaging fewer than 5 yards a play, and they can't bottom three in first downs.
I'm excited about the array of weapons. I find nothing more boring than watching a running back fall down.
- Sign Runyan, who is a far better pass blocker than run blocker - to a $30 million contract.
- Let Saquon walk.
- Bring in Singletary and Tracy, who are pass catchers.
- Draft Nabers with the 6th overall pick.
- Draft Theo Johnson, who is a better pass catcher than blocker.
And your take-away is they are going to run the ball more?
- Sign Runyan, who is a far better pass blocker than run blocker - to a $30 million contract.
- Let Saquon walk.
- Bring in Singletary and Tracy, who are pass catchers.
- Draft Nabers with the 6th overall pick.
- Draft Theo Johnson, who is a better pass catcher than blocker.
And your take-away is they are going to run the ball more?
This is a great post. If Jones stays healthy, which is a big ?…..
I think he’s going to put up pretty impressive statistics- just because our skill players have a chance to be very very good.
the giants gameplan will be predicated on what they can do to win games.
if daboll thinks they can win with a high % of 3 by 1 sets with with a pass first offense with DJ they will be one of the worst teams in the league and hes probably getting fired.
i think DJ is a game manager type QB at best, if you ask too much, you will lose. fumbles, ints, etc etc.
his strengths are QB runs/scrambles/read option, short/accurate passing game and not have him do full field reads long holds. balance being key with run/pass split.
I think daboll will play to those strengths, while trying to open it up a bit with easy 1 on 1 shots but still focused on the core that he does well with running the ball being a focus.
given this - i dont think our WRs will have big years which was the main point. over under 800-900 yards for nabors.
the giants gameplan will be predicated on what they can do to win games.
if daboll thinks they can win with a high % of 3 by 1 sets with with a pass first offense with DJ they will be one of the worst teams in the league and hes probably getting fired.
i think DJ is a game manager type QB at best, if you ask too much, you will lose. fumbles, ints, etc etc.
his strengths are QB runs/scrambles/read option, short/accurate passing game and not have him do full field reads long holds. balance being key with run/pass split.
I think daboll will play to those strengths, while trying to open it up a bit with easy 1 on 1 shots but still focused on the core that he does well with running the ball being a focus.
given this - i dont think our WRs will have big years which was the main point. over under 800-900 yards for nabors.
Then we have the wrong GM and HC. Because they are going to throw the ball. It's clear based on everything they've done and what has been reported already from this spring.
Singeltary for instance has never come close to the 76 pass targets Barkely did in 2022. The Giants also signed two blocking tight ends as well ads drafting a pass catching tight end.
To me it's less a matter of run vs. pass attempts, and more about how the Giants plan to achieve plays by yards.
Do they plan to achieve 0-10 yard gains through a lot of short passes at or near the line?
Do they plan to achieve 10-20 gains with balls thrown in the air that far or with passes intended for YAC?
Can they start putting up those 20 yard chunk plays at a strong clip?
I think at the risk at re-torturing the horse's corpse, this all comes down to Daniel Jones and pass protection.
the giants gameplan will be predicated on what they can do to win games.
if daboll thinks they can win with a high % of 3 by 1 sets with with a pass first offense with DJ they will be one of the worst teams in the league and hes probably getting fired.
i think DJ is a game manager type QB at best, if you ask too much, you will lose. fumbles, ints, etc etc.
his strengths are QB runs/scrambles/read option, short/accurate passing game and not have him do full field reads long holds. balance being key with run/pass split.
I think daboll will play to those strengths, while trying to open it up a bit with easy 1 on 1 shots but still focused on the core that he does well with running the ball being a focus.
given this - i dont think our WRs will have big years which was the main point. over under 800-900 yards for nabors.
You are not paying attention. He didn't draft all those playmakers to play cautiously. They RBs he picked up are pass catching players.
And Jones, fwiw, turnovers have dropped dramatically. Yes last year was a minor retro, but still he has been infinitely better than his early days. I agree that I do not expect a big change in the player. But since 2022 they have added Hyatt, Nabers, Theo Johnson and in effect Wan'Dale since he got hurt early in 2022. Even picked up fast players as FAs and UDFAs.
Those are not players you go conservative with. Yes the plan may be to hit quick crossers and unders, but these players signal a move from plodding along with 4 yard running plays and hoping Barkley can break one.
Singeltary for instance has never come close to the 76 pass targets Barkely did in 2022. The Giants also signed two blocking tight ends as well ads drafting a pass catching tight end.
To me it's less a matter of run vs. pass attempts, and more about how the Giants plan to achieve plays by yards.
Do they plan to achieve 0-10 yard gains through a lot of short passes at or near the line?
Do they plan to achieve 10-20 gains with balls thrown in the air that far or with passes intended for YAC?
Can they start putting up those 20 yard chunk plays at a strong clip?
I think at the risk at re-torturing the horse's corpse, this all comes down to Daniel Jones and pass protection.
I get what you are saying and you are not incorrect, but big picture, this coaching staff clearly believes you score points by throwing the football.
Forget the name on the back of the QB jersey (I know that's not possible for most BBIers). Watch the video from a guy who actually played for Daboll who says Daboll worked miracles in 2022 specifically because of because of the utter crap we had at WR.
Daboll and Schoen have said repeatedly and specifically they need to get more explosive on offense. To Eric's point, roster construction backs that up. Nothing about it says they're building a run-centric / dink-dunk team -- in fact everything about it says that's exactly what they want to get away from.
Film Review: New York Giants head coach Brian Daboll is a GENIUS - ( New Window )
Look what happened to the Eagles offense when they got AJ Brown and Devonta Smith. Hurts was a joke just like DJ's been (anyone remember him losing to Judge's Giants? He looked like he couldn't complete a pass) and all the sudden he was in the MVP hunt.
I'm expecting this group to change the outlook of this offense significantly, even if the OL continues to suck.
I get what you are saying and you are not incorrect, but big picture, this coaching staff clearly believes you score points by throwing the football.
Yes absolutely. I think the staff wants to
1) Use the short pass game in place of the run
2) Throw the ball a lot more than they've been able to in 2022/2023
I think if you privately asked Kafka especially what the single indication would be the Giants had a great offense, he would say pass attempts.
I'd love to see the Giants pass the ball 600 times next year.
Jones is the question mark. If healthy, he should get to 500 attempts and likely 350 completions based on past performance but he has never really had someone this talented to throw to. Will they get on same page quickly? I think Jones is going to need to for his own sake.
i think last year they tried to do more of the KC offense and it obviously failed spectacularly. Waller was going to be the Kelce, not unlike the receivers KC had post-Tyreek they were going to try to spread the ball around and scheme speed plays.
there is no doubt they knew jones isn't mahomes, but with his legs and barkleys i think they expected they could a little more explosive passing while maintaining the run game. defense take a step forward with banks/okereke/ashawn/nacho.
what they missed on was...pretty much everything. and now daboll is back on the playcalling and i think going way more direct to what he knows. im not sure how downfield the passing attack will be but i think there will 600+ of them.
You can always go after a 2nd tier QB when we have made some foundational improvements this year.
The key obviously is possessions and first downs. They can't be averaging fewer than 5 yards a play, and they can't bottom three in first downs.
I'm excited about the array of weapons. I find nothing more boring than watching a running back fall down.