I caught part of an interview with Breer while running an errand. The host (don't recall who it was) asked Breer for a surprise team for the 2024 - 2025 season.
Breer offered the Giants. He recalled he had the Eagles as a surprise team a few years ago, based on talent along both the offensive and defensive lines.
He felt that the Giant had a lot of talent / potential in both the OL and DL. Andrew Thomas as a stud with the potential of Evan Neal plus improved talent in other spots on the line.
The defensive line is solid with Dex. Breer included Thibs and Burns as players along the DL. Said that combo could prove very effective.
Spoke very highly of Daboll and his coaching staff. I recall it ended with Breer saying a repeat of the 2021 to 2022 turnaround from 2023 to 2024 was possible.
And for the DJFC and Dan Jones Haters Society, no mention of Jones or the QB situation.
I don't want to make him the end-all, be-all... after all the interior of the OL was a bigger problem than RT last year. But I feel pretty good about the guard situation right now.
I don't want to make him the end-all, be-all... after all the interior of the OL was a bigger problem than RT last year. But I feel pretty good about the guard situation right now.
JMS too. I think it was in the bobby skinner interview with ryan dunleavy, he pointed out that JMS was actually getting worse over last year.
Even how they are deploying Runyan and Elumeanor, initially Runyan said he was more comfortable on the left, and we know Elumeanor is moving from RT to LG.
OL is still the biggest question on the roster. it could be good. or it could all go to crap again. thomas is the only sure thing, and his health is not a sure thing.
We can talk about it a million times. On the field in Sept is the ONLY way to change the perception.
For the record, like Eric, I feel pretty good about the guard situation. Both Eleumonor and Runyan will be solid professional guards, there are veteran backups and Bricillo is likely (based on his resume), to help Ezeudu and McKeathan to become professionals that could be useful, if not more.
Most you could ask for at that position.
Neal also has those same issues with regard to consistency of health and the performance/health of his wingman at RG. In spite of that, Neal is clearly the bigger concern vs JMS.
I don't want to make him the end-all, be-all... after all the interior of the OL was a bigger problem than RT last year. But I feel pretty good about the guard situation right now.
You’re basing this on what?
Well, you know the old saying, believe it and it will happen.
I think Neal will be fine. He really has had a shit ton of bad breaks. He's just due for a clean year, and with that he'll be solid if not better.
Put differently, I feel pretty good the raw materials of a solid at worst OL are already there, and Bricillo knows how to make them a unit and possibly a very good one. Regardless of which name ends up where.
And yeah, with a solid OL, and solid DL -- at worst -- you have a solid team at worst.
That said, they can also disappoint like last year but I think a few really bad things had to happen for 6-11 to happen. IF things go by rote injury wise, or they stay just a bit more relatively healthy than your average team, the Giants should be in that 7-10 win range. If things go somewhat lucky injury wise we are hanging on those 4-5-6-7 games that will be close in the 4th. Win more than half of them...could be fun.
Can't lose Thomas. Biggest key player in my view.
It might be just 10+ years of bad Giants offensive line PTSD, but when I see Neal off balance or on the ground, I get major Ereck Flowers flashbacks.
Obviously this year is very important for Neal's future Giants and NFL career. IF he lives up to close to his draft position and becomes an above average / excellent right tackle, the Giants next decision will be to sign him early / relatively cheaply to a long term deal after this season. An ocean's worth of water needs to pass under the bridge before we're at that point.
Neal also has those same issues with regard to consistency of health and the performance/health of his wingman at RG. In spite of that, Neal is clearly the bigger concern vs JMS.
Being a rookie, with a couch potato to his left, and a nice paycheck to his right, along with being injured, makes the case that his first year was overwhelming, with several issues.
In no way does it make the case that he will be solid at worst this year. This year, with few to no issues like last year, will make the case for this year.
1. Incompetent medical injury evaluation
2. Incompetent coaching
3. Incompetent guard play
He was (and is) a young inexperienced player counting on the vets around him knowing what they're doing. Instead, those vets had their heads up their up their you-know-whats.
Hard to soar like eagles when surrounded by ....
I don't want to make him the end-all, be-all... after all the interior of the OL was a bigger problem than RT last year. But I feel pretty good about the guard situation right now.
He was beaten on inside rushes and second moves. Part of it could be over setting, anticipating a speed rush but coming back inside seemed to be his biggest issue. But, it may also speak to him not having an inside chip from the RG who likely overcommitted to a 0 or 1.
As you said, if he's improved, the OL becomes a potential strength.
And we have a tough schedule: Cowboys twice, Eagles twice, Ravens, Steelers, Bengals, Browns. I can see starting 2-0 with the Vikings and Washington because of their qb situations. Then it is a brutal stretch - Browns, Cowboys, Seahawks who always give us fits, Bengals, Eagles, Steelers.
I don't want to make him the end-all, be-all... after all the interior of the OL was a bigger problem than RT last year. But I feel pretty good about the guard situation right now.
Neal's recovery from ankle surgery and his history of lower leg injuries is very concerning to me.
It might be just 10+ years of bad Giants offensive line PTSD, but when I see Neal off balance or on the ground, I get major Ereck Flowers flashbacks.
Obviously this year is very important for Neal's future Giants and NFL career. IF he lives up to close to his draft position and becomes an above average / excellent right tackle, the Giants next decision will be to sign him early / relatively cheaply to a long term deal after this season. An ocean's worth of water needs to pass under the bridge before we're at that point.
Never mind worrying about a long term deal. The big decision is deciding on the 5th year option. Long term deals offered after 3 seasons are only for Pro Bowl caliber players. Unless he can get there this season, I wouldn’t put a long term deal on the table.
If Neal does not work out, I suspect the plan would be for him to be a swing tackle this year, and allow him to compete at guard next year. After 1 year at swing tackle, he probably will be more than happy to compete at guard next year. If not, cut him loose.
1. Incompetent medical injury evaluation
2. Incompetent coaching
3. Incompetent guard play
He was (and is) a young inexperienced player counting on the vets around him knowing what they're doing. Instead, those vets had their heads up their up their you-know-whats.
Hard to soar like eagles when surrounded by ....
Just because there are turkeys surrounding you, doesn't mean that you're not a turkey too. In fact, it hasn't impacted Thomas one bit.
Neal has trouble staying on the field and when he is on the field he doesn't play well.
Enough with the excuses.
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1. Incompetent medical injury evaluation
2. Incompetent coaching
3. Incompetent guard play
He was (and is) a young inexperienced player counting on the vets around him knowing what they're doing. Instead, those vets had their heads up their up their you-know-whats.
Hard to soar like eagles when surrounded by ....
Just because there are turkeys surrounding you, doesn't mean that you're not a turkey too. In fact, it hasn't impacted Thomas one bit.
Neal has trouble staying on the field and when he is on the field he doesn't play well.
Enough with the excuses.
Your memory sucks. 1 1/2 years into Thomas’ career there were plenty of mouth breathers on this site screaming to move him to guard and lamenting the fact that the Giants screwed up again and took the wrong OT. That is a fact. Neal may or may not work out but YOU wanting immediate results from every young player coming into the league is a you problem. Some players take a bit longer to develop whether you like it or not. Forget about right now, how quickly this fanbase tuned on Neal in his rookie year was absolutely pathetic. Especially after those same clowns were made out to be fools coming off the heels of doing the same exact thing to Thomas
Which disappears first, the last of the Halloween candy or mathematical shot at the playoffs?
Sir: I can understand it if you don't have anything positive to say. After all its been 18 long games since the Giants last won a playoff game. But one just wants to ask if all you're going to do is be effing negative then maybe just STFU! What a miserable person you must be to be around!
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1. Incompetent medical injury evaluation
2. Incompetent coaching
3. Incompetent guard play
He was (and is) a young inexperienced player counting on the vets around him knowing what they're doing. Instead, those vets had their heads up their up their you-know-whats.
Hard to soar like eagles when surrounded by ....
Just because there are turkeys surrounding you, doesn't mean that you're not a turkey too. In fact, it hasn't impacted Thomas one bit.
Neal has trouble staying on the field and when he is on the field he doesn't play well.
Enough with the excuses.
Your memory sucks. 1 1/2 years into Thomas’ career there were plenty of mouth breathers on this site screaming to move him to guard and lamenting the fact that the Giants screwed up again and took the wrong OT. That is a fact. Neal may or may not work out but YOU wanting immediate results from every young player coming into the league is a you problem. Some players take a bit longer to develop whether you like it or not. Forget about right now, how quickly this fanbase tuned on Neal in his rookie year was absolutely pathetic. Especially after those same clowns were made out to be fools coming off the heels of doing the same exact thing to Thomas
Your comprehension skills suck. This has nothing to do with my memory or the opinions of Giants' fans regarding Neal.
Manny referenced three reasons (excuses) for Neal's lack of success and then suggested that it's "Hard to soar like eagles when surrounded by..." followed by a photo of Turkeys. Those three specific reasons (regarding Neal) are what I was challenging, while also pointing out that none of those reasons impacted Thomas.
I know that your sole purpose for posting is to call other posters names and tell them how wrong they are because they have a different view than yours... but maybe next time read the post before spewing your vitriol.
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In comment 16541064 Manny in CA said:
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1. Incompetent medical injury evaluation
2. Incompetent coaching
3. Incompetent guard play
He was (and is) a young inexperienced player counting on the vets around him knowing what they're doing. Instead, those vets had their heads up their up their you-know-whats.
Hard to soar like eagles when surrounded by ....
Just because there are turkeys surrounding you, doesn't mean that you're not a turkey too. In fact, it hasn't impacted Thomas one bit.
Neal has trouble staying on the field and when he is on the field he doesn't play well.
Enough with the excuses.
Your memory sucks. 1 1/2 years into Thomas’ career there were plenty of mouth breathers on this site screaming to move him to guard and lamenting the fact that the Giants screwed up again and took the wrong OT. That is a fact. Neal may or may not work out but YOU wanting immediate results from every young player coming into the league is a you problem. Some players take a bit longer to develop whether you like it or not. Forget about right now, how quickly this fanbase tuned on Neal in his rookie year was absolutely pathetic. Especially after those same clowns were made out to be fools coming off the heels of doing the same exact thing to Thomas
Your comprehension skills suck. This has nothing to do with my memory or the opinions of Giants' fans regarding Neal.
Manny referenced three reasons (excuses) for Neal's lack of success and then suggested that it's "Hard to soar like eagles when surrounded by..." followed by a photo of Turkeys. Those three specific reasons (regarding Neal) are what I was challenging, while also pointing out that none of those reasons impacted Thomas.
I know that your sole purpose for posting is to call other posters names and tell them how wrong they are because they have a different view than yours... but maybe next time read the post before spewing your vitriol.
Thomas is at a different place in his development and career. But all 3 of those things absolutely had an effect on Thomas for the first couple of years. He wasn’t anywhere near the player he is now and I’m not sure how the hell you can say with a straight face that injuries, coaching and surrounding cast don’t have any effect on rookie and second year players development. That’s mind boggling. Neal may not be very good in the end but to suggest none of those 3 things have anything to do with his struggles and development is laughable.
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I do love this time of the summer when EVERYONE & their mother seem to be optimistic about what's going down this fall.
Sir: I can understand it if you don't have anything positive to say. After all its been 18 long games since the Giants last won a playoff game. But one just wants to ask if all you're going to do is be effing negative then maybe just STFU! What a miserable person you must be to be around!
Probably more fun to be around than someone who is constantly trying to control and change the conversation