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Definitely didn't see Ottawa as a destination. I think the trade is a big win for Ottawa. Boston basically gets their pick back And they had to take back Korpisalo's lousy contract which they have no use for. Ottawa retained 25% but especially if they can sign Ullmark which they are already negotiating it would be huge for them. I think Boston was screwed when we made the Markstrom trade. It really caved in the Ullmark market.

to Laine. I thought he would end up a superstar player. If I was a team in need of a reclamation project I would definitely sign him.

Mitch Marner would be a good get. He would be the type of player the Rangers have been seeking at RW and would certainly be better than a washed up Wheeler or washed out Kakko. Whether the Rangers could pay him would be the question.

The team that has beaten the Rangers in the ECF has gone on to win the Cup.

Rangers have a decision to make with Trouba, not a top pair defenseman, and will be making $8M next year. They will get his 15 team list on July 1st. Maybe once and for all this teaches upper management to STOP with the NTC, NMC that they seem to hand out like Halloween candy.

returning to New York. I'm not sure how that exactly helps with the vision of becoming bigger and faster...

who are very tight with the cap.
The core needs an infusion of new blood. Who stays? Who goes? How do they maneuver salary?
They still have quality pieces to build around and have a good team in 2024-25.
Should be interesting.

Drury will make additions to supplement the roster but will it be enough to get the Cup. Is Igor and the gang enough to get us over the hump????

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who are very tight with the cap. The core needs an infusion of new blood. Who stays? Who goes? How do they maneuver salary? They still have quality pieces to build around and have a good team in 2024-25. Should be interesting.

I expect a hockey trade: one of the dmen under contract (Pelech Pulockl for a F with term.

Rangers need to get bigger & tougher and also need to find a RW for their top line.

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who are very tight with the cap. The core needs an infusion of new blood. Who stays? Who goes? How do they maneuver salary? They still have quality pieces to build around and have a good team in 2024-25. Should be interesting.

think they are using a pick to dump pageau then either signing a FA like marchessault (played w/ roy in juniors) or trading their first for someone like ehlers.

whatever they add the improvement next year needs to come from within. Sorokin tanked hard and Dobson did his annual playoff houdini.

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The team that has beaten the Rangers in the ECF has gone on to win the Cup. Rangers have a decision to make with Trouba, not a top pair defenseman, and will be making $8M next year. They will get his 15 team list on July 1st. Maybe once and for all this teaches upper management to STOP with the NTC, NMC that they seem to hand out like Halloween candy.

it's that early '70s again.

I'd keep Trouba and be done with him in 2 years before I gave a long term deal to Lindgren. I love Lindgren, but at 26 he's already hurt constantly, the way he plays above his weight class is not conducive to aging well.

Larry Brooks has written a number of compelling columns on the Rangers over the last week on Trouba, Igor, and roster in general. most are behind the paywall though.

Reactivation of coyotes seems unlikely. Atlanta, Houston and Kansas City are favorites for expansion.

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Reactivation of coyotes seems unlikely. Atlanta, Houston and Kansas City are favorites for expansion.

Expansion or relocation? Just not sure if you mean a new franchise or if SLC is temporary for the "Coyotes" (as had been speculated).

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In comment 16542303 Longtimelurker said: Quote: Reactivation of coyotes seems unlikely. Atlanta, Houston and Kansas City are favorites for expansion. Expansion or relocation? Just not sure if you mean a new franchise or if SLC is temporary for the "Coyotes" (as had been speculated).

PLEASE no more expansion!! THe owners Ponzi scheme is getting more absurd with each new team. Pretty soon it will be 83 teams with 1 game against each team regular season. Enough already.

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Reactivation of coyotes seems unlikely. Atlanta, Houston and Kansas City are favorites for expansion.

And Canadians will bitch even more

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Reactivation of coyotes seems unlikely. Atlanta, Houston and Kansas City are favorites for expansion.

Atlanta? Seriously? for a 3rd time? Give it up already. Not crazy about Houston as a sports town but I see the importance of the market. KC is a real good sports town. They had the Scouts but that was half a century ago. It would probably work out well there today.

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In comment 16542244 Costy16 said: Quote: The team that has beaten the Rangers in the ECF has gone on to win the Cup. Rangers have a decision to make with Trouba, not a top pair defenseman, and will be making $8M next year. They will get his 15 team list on July 1st. Maybe once and for all this teaches upper management to STOP with the NTC, NMC that they seem to hand out like Halloween candy. it's that early '70s again. I'd keep Trouba and be done with him in 2 years before I gave a long term deal to Lindgren. I love Lindgren, but at 26 he's already hurt constantly, the way he plays above his weight class is not conducive to aging well. Larry Brooks has written a number of compelling columns on the Rangers over the last week on Trouba, Igor, and roster in general. most are behind the paywall though.

Agree that they should look to replace Lindgren, his style of play is going to wear down his body similar to Dan Girardi.

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In comment 16542303 Longtimelurker said: Quote: Reactivation of coyotes seems unlikely. Atlanta, Houston and Kansas City are favorites for expansion. Expansion or relocation? Just not sure if you mean a new franchise or if SLC is temporary for the "Coyotes" (as had been speculated).

Did you see the arena layout at the Delta Center for hockey? It's worse than Barclays Center was for the Islanders. So many restrictive sightlines because the arena was never built for hockey.

announcing McDavid was the Conn Smythe winner.

I watched the series and some of the other Oiler games and don't see all the hoopla around McDavid. I rememeber the days of prime Gretzky, Lemieux, and Crosby. He doesn't check those boxes for me. He is okay. But certainly not a game changer IMHO.

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announcing McDavid was the Conn Smythe winner. I watched the series and some of the other Oiler games and don't see all the hoopla around McDavid. I rememeber the days of prime Gretzky, Lemieux, and Crosby. He doesn't check those boxes for me. He is okay. But certainly not a game changer IMHO.

I could not disagree more. Every shift I see him, I think that's the best hockey player I have ever seen (understanding full well that the level of play is far better than it was during the 80s/90s).

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In comment 16542362 GiantBlue said: Quote: announcing McDavid was the Conn Smythe winner. I watched the series and some of the other Oiler games and don't see all the hoopla around McDavid. I rememeber the days of prime Gretzky, Lemieux, and Crosby. He doesn't check those boxes for me. He is okay. But certainly not a game changer IMHO. I could not disagree more. Every shift I see him, I think that's the best hockey player I have ever seen (understanding full well that the level of play is far better than it was during the 80s/90s).

Beat me to it. He's the best player in the league. He should be a Ranger in 10 years if history is any indicator.

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In comment 16542253 truebluelarry said: Quote: who are very tight with the cap. The core needs an infusion of new blood. Who stays? Who goes? How do they maneuver salary? They still have quality pieces to build around and have a good team in 2024-25. Should be interesting. think they are using a pick to dump pageau then either signing a FA like marchessault (played w/ roy in juniors) or trading their first for someone like ehlers. whatever they add the improvement next year needs to come from within. Sorokin tanked hard and Dobson did his annual playoff houdini.

This team has to get younger and more skilled. I also don't believe Lou would agree with that statement. Roy may be a very good coach, but right now he has a roster that is not built to keep up with most teams in the league.

I think the gap between McDavid and player #2 is the biggest gap in any sport right now, and the biggest it's been in the NHL for as long as I've been watching.

The Oilers team is really not that good beyond the top five players.

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The Oilers team is really not that good beyond the top five players.

Nope. A whole lotta JAGs on that roster.

Zegras would be intriguing.

had to carry his team the last two series. Draisaitl kind of tailed off quickly after the semis. Hyman is a one trick pony who shoots but is reliant on having an elite playmaker to put up his gaudy goal totals and is bad skater and can’t really play with the puck. Their defense is mediocre. You take McDavid off that team and they would quickly be in bottom 6 of league.

In comment 16542433 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 16542413 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: The Oilers team is really not that good beyond the top five players. Nope. A whole lotta JAGs on that roster. Zegras would be intriguing.

Zegras would be a great get. Pushes possession, has two 60 point seasons under his belt, a lot of potential.

Did not expect that. Frankly I would say he's borderline to be in at all.

Roenick finally made it, Datsyuk is in, and.....COLIN FUCKING CAMPBELL??????????? Builder, my ass.

by 1 goal.

I don't think it's as bad in EDM as most of you seem to think. I thought goalie was their biggest issue and you can argue Skinner should have saved goal #2 but he wasn't why they lost.

I think they need a veteran more than a Zegras. Marner or someone like that IMO. and a veteran D - someone like Chychrun or even Savard. And I know those two are very different.

Watched some of the game on my phone last night at work. Looked like Hyman or someone had a very good shot to put the puck in the net to tie the game with 6-7 minutes to go (I think) but looked like he whiffed?

He had a second or two there to put the puck in, did someone get a stick in there or did he just blow a flat tire?

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Watched some of the game on my phone last night at work. Looked like Hyman or someone had a very good shot to put the puck in the net to tie the game with 6-7 minutes to go (I think) but looked like he whiffed? He had a second or two there to put the puck in, did someone get a stick in there or did he just blow a flat tire?

He got his stick held (legally) by Verhaeghe or one of the FLA forwards. i think it was Verhaeghe.

finally gets in the hall of fame.

as do Pavel Datsyuk (1st ballot) and Shea Weber (1st ballot)

I thought Weber was still on someone's roster.

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In comment 16542433 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 16542413 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: The Oilers team is really not that good beyond the top five players. Nope. A whole lotta JAGs on that roster. Zegras would be intriguing. Zegras would be a great get. Pushes possession, has two 60 point seasons under his belt, a lot of potential.

With the rumors of Zegras and Kane, I just don't know how they fit the mold of what Drury wants, which is bigger and faster.

meant Zegras for EDM.

I don't think he's a good fit for either EDM or NYR. Especially at C. if you think Chytil struggled on the dots, he looks like Bergeron next to Zegras. But...he's young so it's not surprising, but on a contender it's also not something tolerable.

Depending on the money Kane could be a good fit for NYR.

Bigger and Faster doesn't have to mean every single player on the roster is bigger and faster.

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finally gets in the hall of fame. as do Pavel Datsyuk (1st ballot) and Shea Weber (1st ballot) I thought Weber was still on someone's roster.

Lol and the annual snub of Patrik Elias lives on. Roenick & Datsyuk are more than worth but Shea Weber finished playing 5 minutes ago and we had to rush him in?

Don’t think the gap to 2 is as great as you think. Nathan McKinnon is a very close 2

Marner gone!

They have to break up the Boys Club- Matthews, Marner, Willie, and Taveras. Those 4 take up a lot of cap space. I’d rather see guys built more for the playoffs than the regular season.

Hey pjcas….I have a trade proposal for you…

Marner to HABS

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Josh Anderson, Arber “Jackeye”, and Jason Struble, plus your 2nd 1st round pick in 2024.

Deal?

You finally can get rid of your whipping boy, Josh A, and you have so many Dmen needing to play like Hutson and Mailloux so losing those two won’t hurt you. Finally you acquire a top 3-6 player you desperately need.

I meant NYR, but think Zegras would be good for anyone, lol.

I'm doubtful it gets done. A younger team who can take more risk (Detorit) is probably a more logical landing spot.

this isles fan would so long as there's some kind of extension contingency.

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this isles fan would so long as there's some kind of extension contingency.

Eric, Sorokin is good, but honestly, I think Joseph Woll, age 25, had a very good season as the #2 goalie. His save % is about equal to Sorokin and his GAA is also about the same as Sorokin. I think Woll will be the starter and honestly, I don’t see much if any of an upgrade with Sorokin over Woll.

I need more- physicality on both forwards and defense. That’s why I chose two tough young hombres from the HABS and Josh Anderson ….who usually scores 15- 20….not this year….and plays well in the playoffs….something my boys need more of.

Bottom line::Sorokin may be considered the #1 if he came over, but barely. And like I said, we need other things….like big tough bodies made for the playoffs.

Farabee has been in Torts' doghouse quite a bit

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Marner gone! They have to break up the Boys Club- Matthews, Marner, Willie, and Taveras. Those 4 take up a lot of cap space. I’d rather see guys built more for the playoffs than the regular season. Hey pjcas….I have a trade proposal for you… Marner to HABS For Josh Anderson, Arber “Jackeye”, and Jason Struble, plus your 2nd 1st round pick in 2024. Deal? You finally can get rid of your whipping boy, Josh A, and you have so many Dmen needing to play like Hutson and Mailloux so losing those two won’t hurt you. Finally you acquire a top 3-6 player you desperately need.

no chance.

I'm not a Marner fan, but also apparently Hughes' phone is ringing off the hook with GMs asking about Xhekaj.

in case it wasn't clear about me - Xhekaj is the epitome of the kind of player I like. he has the hardest shot on MTL, hardest hitter and he one of the toughest fighters in the league. Yeah, he has flaws, but I wouldn't trade him for a player who I don't think adds many wins.

Even though I don't like Marner I'd trade Anderson, Harris, and a 2nd round pick.

In comment 16542699 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 16542621 5BowlsSoon said: Quote: Marner gone! They have to break up the Boys Club- Matthews, Marner, Willie, and Taveras. Those 4 take up a lot of cap space. I’d rather see guys built more for the playoffs than the regular season. Hey pjcas….I have a trade proposal for you… Marner to HABS For Josh Anderson, Arber “Jackeye”, and Jason Struble, plus your 2nd 1st round pick in 2024. Deal? You finally can get rid of your whipping boy, Josh A, and you have so many Dmen needing to play like Hutson and Mailloux so losing those two won’t hurt you. Finally you acquire a top 3-6 player you desperately need. no chance. I'm not a Marner fan, but also apparently Hughes' phone is ringing off the hook with GMs asking about Xhekaj. in case it wasn't clear about me - Xhekaj is the epitome of the kind of player I like. he has the hardest shot on MTL, hardest hitter and he one of the toughest fighters in the league. Yeah, he has flaws, but I wouldn't trade him for a player who I don't think adds many wins. Even though I don't like Marner I'd trade Anderson, Harris, and a 2nd round pick.

I was hoping you made this counter proposal in jest, but now I’m beginning to think you are being serious. Now, you are aware Marner has scored 85+ points in 4 of his 8 years in Toronto. And you want to throw me a small bone named Jordan Harris…a guy who can’t even start on your bottom dwelling team. A 2nd round pick is usually not much…and as we both know, every HABS fan wants to open the door to let Josh out the door.

And to add Injury to insult, my brother is telling me HABS are willing to give up much much more to acquire…..drum roll please…..MARTIN NECAS! A guy who averages about 40+ points a season….much much less than Mariner’s 90+.

You know HABS need a much better 2nd line….Marner fits quite nicely. Team him with Dachshund, assuming he can stay healthy, and your 2 line should get some attention.

In comment 16542732 5BowlsSoon said:

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In comment 16542699 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 16542621 5BowlsSoon said: Quote: Marner gone! They have to break up the Boys Club- Matthews, Marner, Willie, and Taveras. Those 4 take up a lot of cap space. I’d rather see guys built more for the playoffs than the regular season. Hey pjcas….I have a trade proposal for you… Marner to HABS For Josh Anderson, Arber “Jackeye”, and Jason Struble, plus your 2nd 1st round pick in 2024. Deal? You finally can get rid of your whipping boy, Josh A, and you have so many Dmen needing to play like Hutson and Mailloux so losing those two won’t hurt you. Finally you acquire a top 3-6 player you desperately need. no chance. I'm not a Marner fan, but also apparently Hughes' phone is ringing off the hook with GMs asking about Xhekaj. in case it wasn't clear about me - Xhekaj is the epitome of the kind of player I like. he has the hardest shot on MTL, hardest hitter and he one of the toughest fighters in the league. Yeah, he has flaws, but I wouldn't trade him for a player who I don't think adds many wins. Even though I don't like Marner I'd trade Anderson, Harris, and a 2nd round pick. I was hoping you made this counter proposal in jest, but now I’m beginning to think you are being serious. Now, you are aware Marner has scored 85+ points in 4 of his 8 years in Toronto. And you want to throw me a small bone named Jordan Harris…a guy who can’t even start on your bottom dwelling team. A 2nd round pick is usually not much…and as we both know, every HABS fan wants to open the door to let Josh out the door. And to add Injury to insult, my brother is telling me HABS are willing to give up much much more to acquire…..drum roll please…..MARTIN NECAS! A guy who averages about 40+ points a season….much much less than Mariner’s 90+. You know HABS need a much better 2nd line….Marner fits quite nicely. Team him with Dachshund, assuming he can stay healthy, and your 2 line should get some attention.

Why do you think teams will be desperate to bail you out of a bad contract for a soft player who doesn’t win you games? His point totals are high because of the offensive scheme and who he has around him. The market is not as high for Marner as you would like.

In comment 16542740 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 16542732 5BowlsSoon said: Quote: In comment 16542699 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 16542621 5BowlsSoon said: Quote: Marner gone! They have to break up the Boys Club- Matthews, Marner, Willie, and Taveras. Those 4 take up a lot of cap space. I’d rather see guys built more for the playoffs than the regular season. Hey pjcas….I have a trade proposal for you… Marner to HABS For Josh Anderson, Arber “Jackeye”, and Jason Struble, plus your 2nd 1st round pick in 2024. Deal? You finally can get rid of your whipping boy, Josh A, and you have so many Dmen needing to play like Hutson and Mailloux so losing those two won’t hurt you. Finally you acquire a top 3-6 player you desperately need. no chance. I'm not a Marner fan, but also apparently Hughes' phone is ringing off the hook with GMs asking about Xhekaj. in case it wasn't clear about me - Xhekaj is the epitome of the kind of player I like. he has the hardest shot on MTL, hardest hitter and he one of the toughest fighters in the league. Yeah, he has flaws, but I wouldn't trade him for a player who I don't think adds many wins. Even though I don't like Marner I'd trade Anderson, Harris, and a 2nd round pick. I was hoping you made this counter proposal in jest, but now I’m beginning to think you are being serious. Now, you are aware Marner has scored 85+ points in 4 of his 8 years in Toronto. And you want to throw me a small bone named Jordan Harris…a guy who can’t even start on your bottom dwelling team. A 2nd round pick is usually not much…and as we both know, every HABS fan wants to open the door to let Josh out the door. And to add Injury to insult, my brother is telling me HABS are willing to give up much much more to acquire…..drum roll please…..MARTIN NECAS! A guy who averages about 40+ points a season….much much less than Mariner’s 90+. You know HABS need a much better 2nd line….Marner fits quite nicely. Team him with Dachshund, assuming he can stay healthy, and your 2 line should get some attention. Why do you think teams will be desperate to bail you out of a bad contract for a soft player who doesn’t win you games? His point totals are high because of the offensive scheme and who he has around him. The market is not as high for Marner as you would like.

Josh Anderson and Jordan Harris…..are you kidding me?

a 2nd round pick.

you're trying to make me give you a better offer for a player I don't want. I'd rather have Zegras than Marner.

if he (Zegras) can pan out at C the Habs don't rely on Dach to stay healthy and are very strong at C.

for NHL game 7. 2nd most watched NHL game ever.

if that was not FLA but a better media market it could have been the highest, but still a good thing.

Thank god

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Thank god

“If I had the Rangers payroll, I'd never lose a game.”

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a 2nd round pick. you're trying to make me give you a better offer for a player I don't want. I'd rather have Zegras than Marner. if he (Zegras) can pan out at C the Habs don't rely on Dach to stay healthy and are very strong at C.

Just curious, who are you willing to give up to get Zegras? He has never scored more than 65 points, usually with 20+ goals…and wasn’t he injured this past year? You can’t afford to have another Kirby Dach on your team.

Imknow he is young…23 years, so his upside may be higher….and I don’t want Marner either, but outside the playoffs, the kid is a beast.

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LOL I know, what a jerk. for 64 of the 84 years since 1940 there was no cap and they barely one 1 Cup.

Irony is that the imposition of the hard cap included the one time salary dump that allowed him to get out of some of the stupid moves he made (i.e. Bobby Holik. UGH)

Would be a decent option for NYR imo.

In comment 16543170 5BowlsSoon said:

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In comment 16543012 pjcas18 said: Quote: a 2nd round pick. you're trying to make me give you a better offer for a player I don't want. I'd rather have Zegras than Marner. if he (Zegras) can pan out at C the Habs don't rely on Dach to stay healthy and are very strong at C. Just curious, who are you willing to give up to get Zegras? He has never scored more than 65 points, usually with 20+ goals…and wasn’t he injured this past year? You can’t afford to have another Kirby Dach on your team. Imknow he is young…23 years, so his upside may be higher….and I don’t want Marner either, but outside the playoffs, the kid is a beast.

First of all I will admit I am terrible at trade values/proposals.

Marner is not a bad player, that should be made clear, in fact he's a star, but for a player like him who would require significant players/draft picks and a large contract extension you need to make sure he fits in your contention window. Plus he makes over $10M for 2024-2025 that you need to fit into your cap.

The way you go from a bad team (MTL) to a dumpster fire is by adding players like Marner who are possibly going to age out of effectiveness (or even eliteness) before you are ready to contend and then you're left with bad player, bad team, bad contracts - the holy trinity of shittiness.

So, my proposal for Marner - unless I have visibility into the Habs plans for the rest of the roster to see how they plan to contend in the next 2-3 years, is not what Leafs fans would want.

Zegras age (and positional value if (big if) he can stay at center and be effective - he is ass on the dots right now) makes him a better fit for MTL

In comment 16543170 5BowlsSoon said:

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In comment 16543012 pjcas18 said: Quote: a 2nd round pick. you're trying to make me give you a better offer for a player I don't want. I'd rather have Zegras than Marner. if he (Zegras) can pan out at C the Habs don't rely on Dach to stay healthy and are very strong at C. Just curious, who are you willing to give up to get Zegras? He has never scored more than 65 points, usually with 20+ goals…and wasn’t he injured this past year? You can’t afford to have another Kirby Dach on your team. Imknow he is young…23 years, so his upside may be higher….and I don’t want Marner either, but outside the playoffs, the kid is a beast.

You're looking and relying on stats as an end all be all. Anaheim had a horrible team, so I would say it's more impressive that Zegras was able to put up the numbers he did, with the supporting cast he did.

People also know Toronto needs to shed cap. No one will want to help them out

I think it is safe to say that not many people outside Woll's house see him as equivalent to Sorokin. Woll hasn't stuck in the NHL yet, Sorokin has been a Vezina finalist. He had an off year last year, no question, but comparing Woll at his very short career best to Sorokin at his career worst and deciding they are about the same is flat out silly.

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I think it is safe to say that not many people outside Woll's house see him as equivalent to Sorokin. Woll hasn't stuck in the NHL yet, Sorokin has been a Vezina finalist. He had an off year last year, no question, but comparing Woll at his very short career best to Sorokin at his career worst and deciding they are about the same is flat out silly.

agreed, missed that initial reply but this is exactly right. Woll has 36 career games. Sorokin was runner up for Vez last year.

your an isles fan right Mike? would you do sorokin for marner? not sure if im biased having seen like 4 different carolina journeyman outplay nyi vez candidates in the last few years, but all things equal i think id take a PPG forward over an elite goalie knowing they already have a decent solution in goal with Varlamov for a few years. again would need some contingency that marner would be extended since sorokin is signed.

got back in a trade and the Markstrom deal I wouldn't trade Marner for Sorokin if I were the Leafs.

None are perfect comparisons but I think Ullmark is probably better than Sorokin and projects to be, but Markstrom could be or could not be - he's been that variable in his recent history so consider Sorokin in between the two.

Markstrom is a 2-year deal for MUCH less and allows NJD to keep searching for the future stalwart in net. I expect OTT will extend Ullmark, if not it's a bad trade, not awful they didn't give up a ton, but still bad.

Thinks a reunion with 36 year-old Patrick Kane is what puts the Rangers over the top, then he should just go ahead and follow Sather right out the door.

As if the team needs another forward who doesn't like contact and physical play. Really concerning if this is their top FA priority this offseason.
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In comment 16543309 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: I think it is safe to say that not many people outside Woll's house see him as equivalent to Sorokin. Woll hasn't stuck in the NHL yet, Sorokin has been a Vezina finalist. He had an off year last year, no question, but comparing Woll at his very short career best to Sorokin at his career worst and deciding they are about the same is flat out silly. agreed, missed that initial reply but this is exactly right. Woll has 36 career games. Sorokin was runner up for Vez last year. your an isles fan right Mike? would you do sorokin for marner? not sure if im biased having seen like 4 different carolina journeyman outplay nyi vez candidates in the last few years, but all things equal i think id take a PPG forward over an elite goalie knowing they already have a decent solution in goal with Varlamov for a few years. again would need some contingency that marner would be extended since sorokin is signed.

I am an Islander fan, and I would not trade Sorokin for Marner straight up. I think the Sorokin we saw in 22-23 is closer to what we can expect from him over the course of much of his contract rather than the 23-24 version.

Marner is very good player but I think you have to expect a regression in the numbers playing on the less talents Isles than what he produced on the Leafs. I don’t think that would offset the drop off in talent you would get from Sorokin to ??? The Isles have nobody solid in the pipeline behind him.

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I think it is safe to say that not many people outside Woll's house see him as equivalent to Sorokin. Woll hasn't stuck in the NHL yet, Sorokin has been a Vezina finalist. He had an off year last year, no question, but comparing Woll at his very short career best to Sorokin at his career worst and deciding they are about the same is flat out silly.

Maybe you missed by point…..let’s say Sorokin is better than Woll. Okay, so how much better would he be? His save % or GAA might be very close, just like this past year. So, assuming Sorokin is slightly better, why would then Leaf’s trade a bona fide star who scores 90 points on a regular basis and is only 28 years old for a guy who might be marginally better than the guy we have now? To me that doesn’t make sense. If we lose Marner and get nothing back but a goalie…he doesn’t replace Mariner’s 90:points and he is maybe only marginally better than the guy we have already.

This doesn’t work for me…you can keep Sorokin.

the Rangers are looking at signing Kane again. JFC. I thought Sather retired!

about Kane to NYR. In a vacuum sure if that's all they do, but wait and see how the off-season plays out.

I guarantee Kane provides more offense than almost anyone on roster they would put in the top 6 and he would not require a long-term commitment and probably not cost a ton.

He makes sense (as one of many moves).

tonight.

Hart
Vezina
Norris
Calder
Lindsay

all awarded tonight

no idea why they need to make an event out of it but I guess maybe the award is more prestigious if it's not just a press release but also a ceremony. probably not going to watch. just not my thing.

Predictions?

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about Kane to NYR. In a vacuum sure if that's all they do, but wait and see how the off-season plays out. I guarantee Kane provides more offense than almost anyone on roster they would put in the top 6 and he would not require a long-term commitment and probably not cost a ton. He makes sense (as one of many moves).

The idea of Kane doesn't bother me in the least. Hard to get incredibly excited about it, but he's a significantly better player than he was in his prior brief stint here. He didn't just not perform -- he was significantly injured.

It isn't easy to find a player with as much playoff experience and scoring punch who won't cost you term and high AAV.

It's a pretty sensible match.

And if he specifically wants to be here, that's always a nice touch as well (yes, I know that and $3 will get you a subway ride).

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In comment 16543940 pjcas18 said: Quote: about Kane to NYR. In a vacuum sure if that's all they do, but wait and see how the off-season plays out. I guarantee Kane provides more offense than almost anyone on roster they would put in the top 6 and he would not require a long-term commitment and probably not cost a ton. He makes sense (as one of many moves). The idea of Kane doesn't bother me in the least. Hard to get incredibly excited about it, but he's a significantly better player than he was in his prior brief stint here. He didn't just not perform -- he was significantly injured. It isn't easy to find a player with as much playoff experience and scoring punch who won't cost you term and high AAV. It's a pretty sensible match. And if he specifically wants to be here, that's always a nice touch as well (yes, I know that and $3 will get you a subway ride).

That's exactly how I look at it.

And Kane wasn't bad in the playoffs last year. Relatively speaking. 3rd in the team in playoff points (6pts in 7 games) and was not a defensive liability.

barring anything really significant happening via trade right now, the Rangers have quite a re-tool coming after the 25-26 season (which also happens to be a pretty massive free agent class).

So, doing things to maximize the 2 year window without tying up more capital beyond that than they already have committed seems like a good strategy.

Of course, as Twitter rumors abound regarding league interest in Trouba, perhaps there are things that will be done to more significantly re-imagine the roster in the short term.

Rumor has it the Devils might offer #10 in a package for him. He's a good player but don't know that I'm crazy about that. Carolina is definitely an interesting organization. Kind of remind me of the 90's-2000's Devils in that guys come and go and they refuse to pay top $ to keep guys but the player development and system are so strong they are able to keep contending.

if they trade a really good player like Necas within the division for #10 in a pretty weak draft class.

send him outside of the Metro, please.

Rangers are getting McDavid in 2026, guys.

#10 for Necas. No-brainer.

25 year old, probably matures into a ppg player, good size, can play a little bit physical or the skill game, good enough defender - easy top 6 player.

needs work on the dots to be playable at center, he is more of a W IMO, but could be a C if he can figure out face offs.

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#10 for Necas. No-brainer. 25 year old, probably matures into a ppg player, good size, can play a little bit physical or the skill game, good enough defender - easy top 6 player. needs work on the dots to be playable at center, he is more of a W IMO, but could be a C if he can figure out face offs.

He'd probably fit more as a winger any way for the Devils.

that NYR working on extension with Lindgren as a priority and that early chatter says his ask "appears reasonable".

I've been pretty vocal that I'd prefer to move him now, as much as I respect him.

My stance hasn't changed, but I'll wait to see numbers before I judge.

My real response is "define reasonable".

is team going hard after Necas. Rumors of them buying out Skinner. They also might play Necas at C where he wants to.

As for Devils I could see Patrik Elias (fellow Czech) pushing to look at Necas, but to be honest, while he has some ideal talents they could use at wing and is a good shooter, it would leave Dawson Mercer redundant to some degree.

I know they'd love to get Tkachuk out of Ottawa but not happening it seems with Ottawa trying to give it a go still until he asks to be traded again.

Suspect Devils hold the 10th to use and look at an interchangeable winger and a Dman in FA.

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that NYR working on extension with Lindgren as a priority and that early chatter says his ask "appears reasonable". I've been pretty vocal that I'd prefer to move him now, as much as I respect him. My stance hasn't changed, but I'll wait to see numbers before I judge. My real response is "define reasonable".

They should play Miller and Fox together next year.

GM Ken Holland will part ways July 1 when his contract is up.

Holland, a HOFer for his work in DET (3 cups as GM, 1 as assistant GM) I thought was a good fit for EDM, but he continually failed to build a team around Connor McDavid. Whether it be goalies, depth, or something else, that team was always missing something.

Or is it McDavid? With his performance this post-season it would seem like no, but he should probably share some of the blame IMO.

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is team going hard after Necas. Rumors of them buying out Skinner. They also might play Necas at C where he wants to. As for Devils I could see Patrik Elias (fellow Czech) pushing to look at Necas, but to be honest, while he has some ideal talents they could use at wing and is a good shooter, it would leave Dawson Mercer redundant to some degree. I know they'd love to get Tkachuk out of Ottawa but not happening it seems with Ottawa trying to give it a go still until he asks to be traded again. Suspect Devils hold the 10th to use and look at an interchangeable winger and a Dman in FA.

I'm hoping that Brady Tkachuk let's Ottawa know that he will not re-sign with them before the draft so that he becomes available. The Devils have a lot of good pieces to offer Ottawa in exchange for Tkachuk. I think a package of the #10 pick, Dawson Mercer or Jesper Bratt, and Seamus Casey is a very attractive offer. The Devils could also include one of their goalies like Daws or Schmid.

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In comment 16543309 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: I think it is safe to say that not many people outside Woll's house see him as equivalent to Sorokin. Woll hasn't stuck in the NHL yet, Sorokin has been a Vezina finalist. He had an off year last year, no question, but comparing Woll at his very short career best to Sorokin at his career worst and deciding they are about the same is flat out silly. Maybe you missed by point…..let’s say Sorokin is better than Woll. Okay, so how much better would he be? His save % or GAA might be very close, just like this past year. So, assuming Sorokin is slightly better, why would then Leaf’s trade a bona fide star who scores 90 points on a regular basis and is only 28 years old for a guy who might be marginally better than the guy we have now? To me that doesn’t make sense. If we lose Marner and get nothing back but a goalie…he doesn’t replace Mariner’s 90:points and he is maybe only marginally better than the guy we have already. This doesn’t work for me…you can keep Sorokin.

The idea that Sorokin is only marginally better than Woll is where you are clearly projecting something that I think few people would agree with. Woll has played 34 NHL games. Sorokin was second in the Vezina voting two years ago.

Your argument is based on a massive projection I don't think most people would agree with. It is not hard to understand.

trade proposals are not my strong suit - maybe Andy in Halifax checks in to tell you what he's hearing, but I don't think this is close for Brady Tkachuk. I don't think Brady is much different than Matthew, just younger.

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Cliff's Notes on why the Jets are likely trading Rutger McGroarty?

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Cliff's Notes on why the Jets are likely trading Rutger McGroarty?

Doesn't want to sign with the Jets.

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In comment 16544033 Sammo85 said: Quote: is team going hard after Necas. Rumors of them buying out Skinner. They also might play Necas at C where he wants to. As for Devils I could see Patrik Elias (fellow Czech) pushing to look at Necas, but to be honest, while he has some ideal talents they could use at wing and is a good shooter, it would leave Dawson Mercer redundant to some degree. I know they'd love to get Tkachuk out of Ottawa but not happening it seems with Ottawa trying to give it a go still until he asks to be traded again. Suspect Devils hold the 10th to use and look at an interchangeable winger and a Dman in FA. I'm hoping that Brady Tkachuk let's Ottawa know that he will not re-sign with them before the draft so that he becomes available. The Devils have a lot of good pieces to offer Ottawa in exchange for Tkachuk. I think a package of the #10 pick, Dawson Mercer or Jesper Bratt, and Seamus Casey is a very attractive offer. The Devils could also include one of their goalies like Daws or Schmid.

I am not sure what the makeup of package could be or would be - Bratt is a huge playdriver and has shown ability to commit to 2 way play - yes he isn't a physical force like Tkachuk and has his streaks, but to me losing Bratt makes the forward corps worse and Tkachuck/Meier to me neither may really gel with Hughes plays. I think Fitzgerald is trying to juggle between changing the wings, but finding someone who could settle/stick with Hughes.

Mercer to me is an X-factor. He had a mediocre year last year, and needs to work on his game but he plays a style that is unique - even if some see some enigmatic play. I suspect he gets bridge deal but most teams if Devils try to add a top winger will demand him in return right now plus more.

said that McGroarty would likely require a top 13 pick. Not sure if this is related but...maybe SJS building a squad?

Buffalo Sabres
@BuffaloSabres
We have acquired the 14th and 42nd overall picks in the 2024 NHL Draft from the San Jose Sharks in exchange for the 11th overall pick in the 2024 NHL Draft.

Details: http://bufsabres.co/3XHFgBz

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Dakota Joshua re-signs in Vancouver (4x3.25M)

In the next 36 hours I think it could be the time to move Mercer in the deal. #10 & Mercer can be the start of a solid package. I like Mercer but he did have a down season but still probably has really solid value. Another down year though and that could change.

I hate replay, but rule #1 makes sense if you're going to have replay and this is not a judgment call #2 is stupid - just drop the f-ing puck, I already thought rule #3 was a rule - no idea #4 was a problem.

don't forget, CAR has a new GM.

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I hate replay, but rule #1 makes sense if you're going to have replay and this is not a judgment call #2 is stupid - just drop the f-ing puck, I already thought rule #3 was a rule - no idea #4 was a problem.

RE: #4---I read a linesman got hurt, which is why it was instituted... But agreed.

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don't forget, CAR has a new GM.

Betting it Buffalo. If not then then the Devils. What the hell if it's the Devils throw in a 5th or so and get the UFA rights to Pesci

other than MTL being mentioned connected with Zegras and Necas.

If you believe it to be true, it means that pick #26 is the one MTL would trade if they do in fact trade a 2024 1st.

They do have 2 2025 1sts as well. Their own and Calgary's.

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Demidov to pair with Michkov?

I think MTL would be a good trade partner if Demidov makes it past CBJ.

Mark Scheig
@mark_scheig
Per TSN, it is believed that the Philadelphia Flyers made an aggressive pitch to the Columbus Blue Jackets. #CBJ reportedly said no.

To Flyers: 4th overall pick.

To #CBJ: 12th overall pick, a roster player, 2025 first rounder.

Of note: the Flyers have two firsts in 2025.
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suggesting Demidov #2.

Marco D'Amico
@mndamico
Artyom Levshunov's odds to go 2nd overall just shot up from -350 to -500 in the last two hours, while Demidov's slid from +210 to +280

Seems like the smart money may be coming in.

in a landslide

I didn't even think - if people don't want me to post "spoilers" just let me know.

who am I kidding, lol, no one really reads this.

for Calder. I bet on Cooley and Faber. Bedard was negative odds. I always thought he would win, but I like prop bets with long odds.

wins the Lindsay award - formerly known as the Pearson.

with Hart....

it seems like the Caps are not going to let Ovi just drift away.

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Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Word at draft is Predators closing in on an eight-year extension with Juuse Saros

Not sure of the exact AAV, but apparently in the 7s. Clearly, Saros wanted to stay.
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Further to @FriedgeHNIC
and @PierreVLeBrun
reports, sources say Juuse Saros will sign an eight-year extension with #preds carrying an AAV of approximately $7.5M once he's eligible to do so on Monday.
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gets moved somewhere like NJD or OTT now.

Ullmark is just under contract one year and Markstrom two.

Reminds me a little of FLA extending Bob after drafting Spencer Knight at #13. Knight has had issues but it was good to see him holding the SC.

Askarov cannot be happy with this.

Kevin Weekes
@KevinWeekes
👀
4 Goalies getting plenty of interest in the market ; Thompson, Stolarz, Hill, and Brossoit. 2 of them are UFA’s, all 4 are @StanleyCup
winners as well 💍.
#HockeyX

I’m reading an Athletic article that says the HABS are facing a conundrum …..with the top forwards gone, probably the best player available for them is a defenseman- BUIUM. And they say this guys skill sets are special.

But as you know, HABS have young Dmen coming up out of the you know what who are just waiting to get their turn. The article even said, “too bad they selected that Dman last year in the 1st round instead of the sexy forward….they wouldn’t be feeling this stressed out at the thought of selecting BUIUM this year had they not taken the Dman last year.

So, my question to you pj…..are you okay drafting BUIUM tonight and trying to trade several of your young Dmen prospects to acquire a forward or two….or would you prefer to take the best forward available tonight and the heck with BUIUM ?

Buium. He's really good, but...I was thinking MTL may have a shot at Cole Hutson with their 2nd first. That would be ridiculous that many legit D who can probably fit in your top 4. Some say Cole is better than Lane.

I would have taken Michkov last year, but to second guess not taking a Russian prospect is kind of disingenuous. A lot going on there.

Also we just saw Cutter Gauthier get traded for Jamie Drysdale, so I wouldn't worry about it. Maybe MTL trades Reinbacher or a different D prospect for McGroarty (plus a pick probably). Problem solved.

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Buium. He's really good, but...I was thinking MTL may have a shot at Cole Hutson with their 2nd first. That would be ridiculous that many legit D who can probably fit in your top 4. Some say Cole is better than Lane. I would have taken Michkov last year, but to second guess not taking a Russian prospect is kind of disingenuous. A lot going on there. Also we just saw Cutter Gauthier get traded for Jamie Drysdale, so I wouldn't worry about it. Maybe MTL trades Reinbacher or a different D prospect for McGroarty (plus a pick probably). Problem solved.

If all the top 3 fwds get scooped up there will probably even be a better D than Buium that falls to the Habs. Plus there are damn good fwds like Iginla & Sennecke that slot in right around 5-10. The Demidov thing is the most interesting. I think teams finally got to see him close up in Ft. Lauderdale so that's why late mocks have moving up as high as #2.

In comment 16544827 Stu11 said:

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In comment 16544778 pjcas18 said: Quote: Buium. He's really good, but...I was thinking MTL may have a shot at Cole Hutson with their 2nd first. That would be ridiculous that many legit D who can probably fit in your top 4. Some say Cole is better than Lane. I would have taken Michkov last year, but to second guess not taking a Russian prospect is kind of disingenuous. A lot going on there. Also we just saw Cutter Gauthier get traded for Jamie Drysdale, so I wouldn't worry about it. Maybe MTL trades Reinbacher or a different D prospect for McGroarty (plus a pick probably). Problem solved. If all the top 3 fwds get scooped up there will probably even be a better D than Buium that falls to the Habs. Plus there are damn good fwds like Iginla & Sennecke that slot in right around 5-10. The Demidov thing is the most interesting. I think teams finally got to see him close up in Ft. Lauderdale so that's why late mocks have moving up as high as #2.

But if you scroll up you actually see a post I had where the odds for Demidov to be picked #2 overall are not becoming lower (meaning more likely to go #2) they're going higher.

So, not sure what to believe.

I do think it was legit that PHI was trying to move to 5 (and IMO it was to have a shot at Demidov), but we saw that was unsuccessful.

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Chris Johnston @reporterchris Further to @FriedgeHNIC and @PierreVLeBrun reports, sources say Juuse Saros will sign an eight-year extension with #preds carrying an AAV of approximately $7.5M once he's eligible to do so on Monday. 9:51 PM · Jun 27, 2024 · 216.2K Views

Yeah saw this yesterday. It is absolutely bizarre for a team that so meticulously manages the cap. You have a young #1 in your system and you give a 29 year old goalie 8 years? Head scratcher. I think had the Devils caught wind of this deal they would have probably made a strong run at Askarov.

In comment 16544827 Stu11 said:

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In comment 16544778 pjcas18 said: Quote: Buium. He's really good, but...I was thinking MTL may have a shot at Cole Hutson with their 2nd first. That would be ridiculous that many legit D who can probably fit in your top 4. Some say Cole is better than Lane. I would have taken Michkov last year, but to second guess not taking a Russian prospect is kind of disingenuous. A lot going on there. Also we just saw Cutter Gauthier get traded for Jamie Drysdale, so I wouldn't worry about it. Maybe MTL trades Reinbacher or a different D prospect for McGroarty (plus a pick probably). Problem solved. If all the top 3 fwds get scooped up there will probably even be a better D than Buium that falls to the Habs. Plus there are damn good fwds like Iginla & Sennecke that slot in right around 5-10. The Demidov thing is the most interesting. I think teams finally got to see him close up in Ft. Lauderdale so that's why late mocks have moving up as high as #2.

Have you seen Buium? He's one of those players you watch and can easily see him in the NHL game. He reminds me of what the Rangers hoped K'Andre Miller would become. Activates well, defends well, smoother skater, just oozes athleticism.

A lot of D in this draft.

In comment 16544878 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 16544827 Stu11 said: Quote: In comment 16544778 pjcas18 said: Quote: Buium. He's really good, but...I was thinking MTL may have a shot at Cole Hutson with their 2nd first. That would be ridiculous that many legit D who can probably fit in your top 4. Some say Cole is better than Lane. I would have taken Michkov last year, but to second guess not taking a Russian prospect is kind of disingenuous. A lot going on there. Also we just saw Cutter Gauthier get traded for Jamie Drysdale, so I wouldn't worry about it. Maybe MTL trades Reinbacher or a different D prospect for McGroarty (plus a pick probably). Problem solved. If all the top 3 fwds get scooped up there will probably even be a better D than Buium that falls to the Habs. Plus there are damn good fwds like Iginla & Sennecke that slot in right around 5-10. The Demidov thing is the most interesting. I think teams finally got to see him close up in Ft. Lauderdale so that's why late mocks have moving up as high as #2. Have you seen Buium? He's one of those players you watch and can easily see him in the NHL game. He reminds me of what the Rangers hoped K'Andre Miller would become. Activates well, defends well, smoother skater, just oozes athleticism. A lot of D in this draft.

Buium is great. I get that you watch a ton of NCAA hockey but the guys who are dialed into the whole pool like Pronman, Morreale etc...all have Levshunov and Silayev ahead of him and my point was if those teams in the top 4 scoop up fwds instead one of those 2 slide down as well. Either way the Habs get a back line stud.

Tonight unless it's acquiring Askarov. The reason why is that I am convinced that Brady Tkachuk will not re-sign with Ottawa and they will be forced to trade him at some point next season. I would hate to see the Devils trade assets that could have gone to Ottawa for Tkachuk on Necas or one of the other names being mentioned for NJ.

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Tonight unless it's acquiring Askarov. The reason why is that I am convinced that Brady Tkachuk will not re-sign with Ottawa and they will be forced to trade him at some point next season. I would hate to see the Devils trade assets that could have gone to Ottawa for Tkachuk on Necas or one of the other names being mentioned for NJ.

Well one big asset expires tonight. I guess we could deal whomever we draft at 10. I love Tkatchuk but I don't know. PJ felt #10, Bratt/Mercer & Casey wasn't enough so I'm not sure how much we can give to get him. Askarov would be interesting, not sure Fitz would want to put that much resources into goaltending in one off season though. It wouldn't be crazy at all though with Markstrom being so old and it would still leave them a ton of cap space to fill needs on D & fwd

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In comment 16544878 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 16544827 Stu11 said: Quote: In comment 16544778 pjcas18 said: Quote: Buium. He's really good, but...I was thinking MTL may have a shot at Cole Hutson with their 2nd first. That would be ridiculous that many legit D who can probably fit in your top 4. Some say Cole is better than Lane. I would have taken Michkov last year, but to second guess not taking a Russian prospect is kind of disingenuous. A lot going on there. Also we just saw Cutter Gauthier get traded for Jamie Drysdale, so I wouldn't worry about it. Maybe MTL trades Reinbacher or a different D prospect for McGroarty (plus a pick probably). Problem solved. If all the top 3 fwds get scooped up there will probably even be a better D than Buium that falls to the Habs. Plus there are damn good fwds like Iginla & Sennecke that slot in right around 5-10. The Demidov thing is the most interesting. I think teams finally got to see him close up in Ft. Lauderdale so that's why late mocks have moving up as high as #2. Have you seen Buium? He's one of those players you watch and can easily see him in the NHL game. He reminds me of what the Rangers hoped K'Andre Miller would become. Activates well, defends well, smoother skater, just oozes athleticism. A lot of D in this draft. Buium is great. I get that you watch a ton of NCAA hockey but the guys who are dialed into the whole pool like Pronman, Morreale etc...all have Levshunov and Silayev ahead of him and my point was if those teams in the top 4 scoop up fwds instead one of those 2 slide down as well. Either way the Habs get a back line stud.

I'm not an expert, I do like Buium - I have seen him a lot as an American and NCAA player.

but 5Bowls point was the Habs, while not a juggernaut by anyone's definition, don't need D.

These are their under 24 D right now (by age oldest to youngest):

Arber Xhekaj 23 (UDFA)
Jordan Harris 23 (3rd round)
Kaiden Guhle 22 (1st round)
Jayden Struble 22 (2nd round)
Justin Barron 22 (1st round)
Logan Mailloux 21 (1st round)
Lane Hutson 20 (2nd round)
Adam Engstrom 20 (3rd round)
Reinbacher 19 (1st round)

Engstrom and Reinbacher have some projection still, but the rest of these guys are pretty close to all being legit top 4 D. Definitely top 6.

And MTL has Matheson, Savard, Kovacevik as veterans on the roster.

That's why it's not a good if forwards go early. Best case for MTL would be Celebrini and a bunch of D. Realistically Lindstrom isn't dropping to 5, but after that nothing would surprise me (Demidov is really the big one, maybe Iginla but I don't see him going before 5 - even 5 some people say is a little over-drafted, but who really cares if he develops into his potential).

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris
The #stlblues have acquired Alexandre Texier from #CBJ for a mid-round draft pick and, per @PuckPedia
, signed him to a two-year extension carrying a $2.1M AAV.
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Costs their later 1st, a late 2nd and a 7th

LA Kings
@LAKings
We've acquired the 26th, 57th and 198th overall selections in the 2024 NHL Draft from the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for the 21st overall pick.

Full Release 📝 https://bit.ly/3VLTQ8r

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
As the Flyers announced, Cam Atkinson is on unconditional waivers for the purposes of a buyout
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for each team being announced for the 4-nations face off.

I love this stuff. more than the NHL. Holy shit - lol - these top 6 are loaded. The Olympics is going to be awesome. I do wonder though if Crosby is still involved or if maybe someone like Bedard is on the team (assuming he's not in the 4 nations)

USA:


Canada:


Sweden:


Finland:

Keep an eye on #njdevils    today. Aside from interest in No. 10 overall pick, New Jersey is actively looking to move defenseman John Marino.

#Canucks    were one of the teams in the mix - a potential checkdown option if no Zadorov.

recently Zadorov will not be returning to VAN.

Sportsnet
@Sportsnet
Nikita Zadorov will not be re-signing with the Canucks, GM Patrik Allvin announced Friday.

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Costs their later 1st, a late 2nd and a 7th LA Kings @LAKings We've acquired the 26th, 57th and 198th overall selections in the 2024 NHL Draft from the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for the 21st overall pick. Full Release 📝 https://bit.ly/3VLTQ8r

This is interesting pj. I see two possibilities here:

#1: HABS have someone locked in at 21 who they don’t think will make it to 26

Or

#2: They are in heavy trade talks with another team who want their #26 pick to be sexier (a bit higher up).

I’m choosing Door #2…..I think the HABS will trade that pick (#21 now) in order to acquire another decent forward. They did this will Kirby Dach and then they did this with Alex Newhook. Besides, it is too risky thinking a player you covet will be around at #21…someone else may cover that player too.

I’m expecting Part 3 tonight……stay tuned….

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Well one big asset expires tonight. I guess we could deal whomever we draft at 10. I love Tkatchuk but I don't know. PJ felt #10, Bratt/Mercer & Casey wasn't enough so I'm not sure how much we can give to get him. Askarov would be interesting, not sure Fitz would want to put that much resources into goaltending in one off season though. It wouldn't be crazy at all though with Markstrom being so old and it would still leave them a ton of cap space to fill needs on D & fwd

I would happily give up the 10th overall pick, Daws or Schmid, and Jake Allen for Askarov. If Nashville doesn't want Allen the Devils could easily trade him for a draft pick. Let Markstrom and Askarov split time over the next two years then when Markstrom's contract expires Askarov can take over as the full time starter.

"The Nashville Predators have received numerous calls on goalie Yaroslav Askarov in the last 24 hours in the wake of the Juuse Saros extension news. The Preds are willing to move him but have set a high price they feel is warranted. Nashville would like to move into the top 5 of the first round tonight via an Askarov trade. So far there hasn’t been a fit. But the Preds will keep talking to teams."

I wonder if the Devs offered #10 would they do it?

and Preds now looking to get in the top 5.

I wonder who for? Demidov?

Iginla? maybe Lindstrom is dropping?

Very interesting.

I think I shared this before, but I went to the draft when it was in Hartford.

THE MOST BORING SPORTS EVENT IN MY LIFE.

Now things are very different with media and entertainment, since this was the 1994 draft.

It wasn't exactly a star-laden draft. Ed Jovanovski was the top pick. best players was Daniel Alfredsson, picked in the 6th round.

The draft was eleven rounds then. Some notables from that draft: Tim Thomas, Chris Drury, Jose Theodore, Milan Hejduk, all in later rounds.

Best thing about it was seeing the stanley cup without a crowd, lol.

"Hearing Carolina is working hard to acquire a top 7 pick in this year's draft. #CauseChaos "  


Between the Canes and Necas, and Nashville and Askarov you have to think they've at least checked in with the Devils.

believe there is a real gem in the top 10 or they think there is a massive drop off after the top 10.

not sure what to think with all the alleged trade up activity

For this draft. Must have their eye on specific people.

for Sennecke if it works out this way. No real Team Canada INTL tourneys, which is different for Canadians than Americans, but still amazing to go top 3 if it happens.

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the boards didn't see him all the way at #3 anywhere though.

says Pens and he are talking extension.

nailed it.

is there if MTL wants him.

Seems like a no-brainer, but I thought Michkov was too.

announced by Celine Dion. lol.

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can play D he reminds me of Pavel Datsyuk. he already reminds me of him offensively, but Pavel was obviously good defensively too (multiple selke winner).

between Demidov and Iginla, but also didn't think Demidov was going to be available.

If Silayev or Buium are there you have to take them.

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If Silayev or Buium are there you have to take them.

Helenius if he's there?

has congratulated the Panthers, lol. I don't even think Bettman did, but hard to hear what he said with the boos.

Don't teams usually congratulate the champs at the draft?

get the russian monster.

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get the russian monster.

Stunned he fell to 10. He’s gotten some Hedman comps. He’s an ideal fit and complement to guys like Nemec and Hughes. Devils also have Seamus Casey coming up as a puck mover. Building a potential high end defense.

trade coming?

In comment 16545220 Sammo85 said:

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In comment 16545218 pjcas18 said: Quote: get the russian monster. Stunned he fell to 10. He’s gotten some Hedman comps. He’s an ideal fit and complement to guys like Nemec and Hughes. Devils also have Seamus Casey coming up as a puck mover. Building a potential high end defense.

It's hard for fans like me to know what you're getting with the Russians lately b/c they are prohibited from INTL tourneys. So it's youtube clips and live streaming KHL games, lol.

i think his upside is more like Chara than Hedman, but who knows, either outcome would be awesome.

MIN trades a 2025 3rd to the Flyers to move up 1 spot

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MIN trades a 2025 3rd to the Flyers to move up 1 spot

Long delay for that trade. Hope for no more trades in this 1st round.

once he got past 10 I was hoping Buium fell to 21.

In comment 16545223 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 16545220 Sammo85 said: Quote: In comment 16545218 pjcas18 said: Quote: get the russian monster. Stunned he fell to 10. He’s gotten some Hedman comps. He’s an ideal fit and complement to guys like Nemec and Hughes. Devils also have Seamus Casey coming up as a puck mover. Building a potential high end defense. It's hard for fans like me to know what you're getting with the Russians lately b/c they are prohibited from INTL tourneys. So it's youtube clips and live streaming KHL games, lol. i think his upside is more like Chara than Hedman, but who knows, either outcome would be awesome.

Yeah that’s who Corey Pronman compared him to as well. Either way two great defenseman where there’s real projection. Will have to wait 2 years but he’ll be an NHLer in 2026 season

Luchanko.

and I hate BUF for every year me thinking they'll be better and they never are. lol.

Helenius completed the rare triple, U18, WJC (U20), and WC in one year. 1st Fin to do it and something like 7 people have done it.

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falls due to character concerns.

He plays like a Tkachuk.

Good fortunate for vegas.

Cole Eiserman to NYI.

this pick.

He may need some development, but I like his compete, I love his shot, and he can be physical.

If Silayev is there. Buium would have been interesting too. Buium is probably closer to playing in the NHL, I think I would have gone with him or traded the pick but you can't beef with drafting another potential Zdeno Chara.

trades #23 to ANA for a #31 and a late 2nd.

trades #24 to the Utes for #38 and #71 and NYR 2nd round pick in 2025.

were going to take Letourneau, but BOS nabs him.

a 3rd 1st round pick.

CAR trades pick 27 to CHI for 34 and 50.

is the player teams may have been targeting in a trade up....


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In comment 16545265 Stu11 said:

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If Silayev is there. Buium would have been interesting too. Buium is probably closer to playing in the NHL, I think I would have gone with him or traded the pick but you can't beef with drafting another potential Zdeno Chara.

Buium has some elite offensive traits but his defensive work is a bit of a liability. Given his profile not upset Devils passed on him and given they have Nemec and Casey with puck handling push up ice ability, never mind Hughes on left side as well. Silayev is a potential unicorn.

In comment 16545397 Sammo85 said:

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In comment 16545265 Stu11 said: Quote: If Silayev is there. Buium would have been interesting too. Buium is probably closer to playing in the NHL, I think I would have gone with him or traded the pick but you can't beef with drafting another potential Zdeno Chara. Buium has some elite offensive traits but his defensive work is a bit of a liability. Given his profile not upset Devils passed on him and given they have Nemec and Casey with puck handling push up ice ability, never mind Hughes on left side as well. Silayev is a potential unicorn.

You think Buium is a defensive liability? I didn't see that in college or INTL, but everyone sees something different. He does not have prototypical D size, but that metric has been slowly changing. I view Buium as similar to McAvoy, a little better offensively and a little worse defensively but should be similar if he develops.

that said, Silayev has the quality I like most in a defenseman, he's "hard to play against" some times people don't realize how much an advantage being 6'7" provides for a D - especially if he uses a long stick. The reach is insane - made even better by the fact he skates like he's 6' 2" so it's not like he's got long lumbering strides. forwards need to make their moves much sooner against him. It changes a lot.

In comment 16545397 Sammo85 said:

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In comment 16545265 Stu11 said: Quote: If Silayev is there. Buium would have been interesting too. Buium is probably closer to playing in the NHL, I think I would have gone with him or traded the pick but you can't beef with drafting another potential Zdeno Chara. Buium has some elite offensive traits but his defensive work is a bit of a liability. Given his profile not upset Devils passed on him and given they have Nemec and Casey with puck handling push up ice ability, never mind Hughes on left side as well. Silayev is a potential unicorn.

Yeah true. From what I read Buium isn't necessarily liability on D just his offensive skills are ++. I agree though Silayev if he develops his skills could be exactly what they're missing. Saw some video of him hitting. The Devils haven't had someone like that in over a decade. Maybe since Stevens retired. I'm excited.

the draft graphics and experience at the Sphere seemed pretty cool. I don't think ESPN did a great job of showing them, but on social media it was much better.

And for the record, as maligned as he was Cole Eiserman gave the best interview of anyone they spoke to.

In comment 16545404 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 16545397 Sammo85 said: Quote: In comment 16545265 Stu11 said: Quote: If Silayev is there. Buium would have been interesting too. Buium is probably closer to playing in the NHL, I think I would have gone with him or traded the pick but you can't beef with drafting another potential Zdeno Chara. Buium has some elite offensive traits but his defensive work is a bit of a liability. Given his profile not upset Devils passed on him and given they have Nemec and Casey with puck handling push up ice ability, never mind Hughes on left side as well. Silayev is a potential unicorn. You think Buium is a defensive liability? I didn't see that in college or INTL, but everyone sees something different. He does not have prototypical D size, but that metric has been slowly changing. I view Buium as similar to McAvoy, a little better offensively and a little worse defensively but should be similar if he develops. that said, Silayev has the quality I like most in a defenseman, he's "hard to play against" some times people don't realize how much an advantage being 6'7" provides for a D - especially if he uses a long stick. The reach is insane - made even better by the fact he skates like he's 6' 2" so it's not like he's got long lumbering strides. forwards need to make their moves much sooner against him. It changes a lot.

Maybe liability is too strong of interpretative word. He’s just not a defensive matchup guy. He has admitted he has to improve his decisionmaking and tactics in defensive zone. His offense was so good and so often a weapon used by coaches I don’t think they, and then he really put enough work into preparation and tactical responsibility with what he’s going to face at NHL level. That said he’s going to MIN where if they put him with Faber that’s a dynamite duo with Faber looking like a top D. You let Buium run like a horse up ice and create.

Was surprised Flyers passed on him but they’ve gotten so burned by their D picks going back 15-16 years now, not sure if they just have a different idea on their D corps and developing their timeline differently.

Eiserman has the potential to be a huge steal at 20. Like scoring in basketball in hockey scoring has become so overrated over the years it's now underrated. You still win by putting the puck in the net and Eiserman did it at a US national team record pace. You put him with a tip playmaking C and he's potentially a legit 40 goal guy.

or has some info:

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I can’t believe Drury is on the precipice of trading Trouba

on the other hand has some questions if his offense will translate enough to NHL rink and style but a 17 yr old with points in KHL makes you wonder about just how that high ceiling will get. It could be really high - that’s where the Chara and Herman comps have been coming. Coaching and developing players the right way is a huge thing with these 17-21 yr olds. Being coached by the great Igor Larionov and his cohorts excites me and tells me Silayev is just scratching surface. Even if Silayev end up more of a defensive only comp of say Pronger(without the goals) and more of a size/speed matchup passer from back end up ice, that’s still worth a unicorn label in NHL.

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or has some info: NRD @NHLRumorsDaily I can’t believe Drury is on the precipice of trading Trouba

Brooks is reporting it’s close to done to Detroit

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In comment 16545424 pjcas18 said: Quote: or has some info: NRD @NHLRumorsDaily I can’t believe Drury is on the precipice of trading Trouba Brooks is reporting it’s close to done to Detroit

Good for Trouba. Gets to go home.

and Costy should be popping champagne right about now.

In comment 16545427 Sammo85 said:

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on the other hand has some questions if his offense will translate enough to NHL rink and style but a 17 yr old with points in KHL makes you wonder about just how that high ceiling will get. It could be really high - that’s where the Chara and Herman comps have been coming. Coaching and developing players the right way is a huge thing with these 17-21 yr olds. Being coached by the great Igor Larionov and his cohorts excites me and tells me Silayev is just scratching surface. Even if Silayev end up more of a defensive only comp of say Pronger(without the goals) and more of a size/speed matchup passer from back end up ice, that’s still worth a unicorn label in NHL.

Yeah the fact that he may be the best skater drafted last night is insane at 6'7. Most mocks had him going #3 to Anaheim. He slipped a bit in the one or two that had Anaheim going someone else. I think there was one I saw where he got to 10. I guess the Russians are pretty volatile with their draft spots being as you can't really scout them much. By the way I read an old report where Pat Verbeek scouted Sennecke a lot late so it really isn't a shock they took him.

Brett is proving right that Trouba had value.

Sad to lose pj as a Ranger fan with Trouba gone.

that Kreider turned down the captaincy in the past. Is that established fact or just Reddit being Reddit?

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Brett is proving right that Trouba had value. Sad to lose pj as a Ranger fan with Trouba gone.

At 5m per year, just not at 8. That salary retention comes in right around where we always said he should be paid! Although if what he was in the playoffs is an indication of the player he’s starting to become then shedding that 5.5 off the cap is worth it, even if you don’t get much in return. Drury is not messing around. But Trouba gets to return to Michigan on an up and coming team. Seems fair, if it does go down.

The Rangers captaincy is becoming a curse though. Would be three straight that got traded

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Brett is proving right that Trouba had value. Sad to lose pj as a Ranger fan with Trouba gone.

lol, you still have Fox, Kreider, Miller, Vesey, Lindgren, Jones, just drafted Emery, have Perreault and Berard in the system, off the top of my head - I like all the American players.

In comment 16545444 Kyle in NY said:

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In comment 16545441 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Brett is proving right that Trouba had value. Sad to lose pj as a Ranger fan with Trouba gone. At 5m per year, just not at 8. That salary retention comes in right around where we always said he should be paid! Although if what he was in the playoffs is an indication of the player he’s starting to become then shedding that 5.5 off the cap is worth it, even if you don’t get much in return. Drury is not messing around. But Trouba gets to return to Michigan on an up and coming team. Seems fair, if it does go down. The Rangers captaincy is becoming a curse though. Would be three straight that got traded

Yeah, that's what I said. I thought Trouba had a ton of value in the $4-6 range. I think someone else argued he was a $1-2m player.

Part of the issue with the captaincy is that they're giving to guys who aren't THAT good.

Callahan and Trouba are/were good, but other teams give it to their elite players.

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that Kreider turned down the captaincy in the past. Is that established fact or just Reddit being Reddit?

I've never heard this.

and eventually it should be Lafreniere, but he's not signed long enough IMO.

Trocheck or Fox may be the default captain.

it’s mostly a cap dump for Trouba. Maybe a conditional pick in return. Suggests Drury might be delving into FA?

Sounds like Devils are shopping Marino to do same and also dangling Holtz around still.

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it’s mostly a cap dump for Trouba. Maybe a conditional pick in return. Suggests Drury might be delving into FA? Sounds like Devils are shopping Marino to do same and also dangling Holtz around still.

Seeing a lot of smoke about Kane returning. Could be a direct swap of locations between the two

quality here is a massive drop off for day 2. holy crap.

the announcements in the sphere are being made while the broadcast crew is talking and you can't hear both.

They did this yesterday too a little but more time for 1st round so it was less frequent and noticeable.

trades Sergachev to the Utes for Geekie and a few picks.

Wow.

Being this late. UFA starts in 2 days.

take Cole Hutson - steal.

Caps doing some work this off-season.

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trades Sergachev to the Utes for Geekie and a few picks. Wow.

Well there’s a cap clear move to try and keep Stamkos. But that’s a huge hole on back end now.

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In comment 16545461 pjcas18 said: Quote: trades Sergachev to the Utes for Geekie and a few picks. Wow. Well there’s a cap clear move to try and keep Stamkos. But that’s a huge hole on back end now.

Tampa should be in tear it down mode. It's over for them.

trade Marino to the Utes for a 2nd and another pick.

Devils on the clock.

the Pesce rumors for sure then.

take a lot of people's #1 goalie in the draft

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trade Marino to the Utes for a 2nd and another pick. Devils on the clock.

Took a Russian G. Mikhail Yegorov.

They do have an ocean of cap space now though. Probably over 20 mill.

Tampa trades Tanner Jeannot for a pick.

I thought it was a weird trade/signing, basically big $$ and picks for someone that was not a scorer.

Could Trouba to Detroit be next?

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They do have an ocean of cap space now though. Probably over 20 mill.

I think they go for Pesce and also add a F.

Also the Devils get a 2025 2nd in the Marino deal. They have 3 2nd rounders next year so probably trade bait there.

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In comment 16545486 Stu11 said: Quote: They do have an ocean of cap space now though. Probably over 20 mill. I think they go for Pesce and also add a F.

Yeah this trade may put them in position to go for Guentzel too.

are crushing their picks. I like Bednarik and Eiserman.

picking off the USNDTP glue guys.

Which is good. Outside of Seamus Casey most of the Devils top prospects are in Europe.

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Which is good. Outside of Seamus Casey most of the Devils top prospects are in Europe.

Yeah, I always prefer that. He's been in NA, he plays in the USHL. Much easier to scout.

thing to do - take Saku Koivu's son.

Wow there's always a lot of trades today but this is insane

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are crushing their picks. I like Bednarik and Eiserman. picking off the USNDTP glue guys.

What type of upside does Bednarik have

with PLD, Mangiapane, and more....

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In comment 16545497 pjcas18 said: Quote: are crushing their picks. I like Bednarik and Eiserman. picking off the USNDTP glue guys. What type of upside does Bednarik have

Part of it is projection, he's not a flashy player, but does everything well, so I say his floor is bottom 6 player, PK, physical, great D, shot blocking, but if he develops it doesn't take much to see him in the top 6.

trade out of 75 for 82 and 146 with WAS.

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In comment 16545503 JayBinQueens said: Quote: In comment 16545497 pjcas18 said: Quote: are crushing their picks. I like Bednarik and Eiserman. picking off the USNDTP glue guys. What type of upside does Bednarik have Part of it is projection, he's not a flashy player, but does everything well, so I say his floor is bottom 6 player, PK, physical, great D, shot blocking, but if he develops it doesn't take much to see him in the top 6.

Sounds like a Pageau replacement

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In comment 16545505 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 16545503 JayBinQueens said: Quote: In comment 16545497 pjcas18 said: Quote: are crushing their picks. I like Bednarik and Eiserman. picking off the USNDTP glue guys. What type of upside does Bednarik have Part of it is projection, he's not a flashy player, but does everything well, so I say his floor is bottom 6 player, PK, physical, great D, shot blocking, but if he develops it doesn't take much to see him in the top 6. Sounds like a Pageau replacement

good comp. eventually. I think he's going to BU or BC which is perfect for him.

With San Jose

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In comment 16545510 JayBinQueens said: Quote: In comment 16545505 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 16545503 JayBinQueens said: Quote: In comment 16545497 pjcas18 said: Quote: are crushing their picks. I like Bednarik and Eiserman. picking off the USNDTP glue guys. What type of upside does Bednarik have Part of it is projection, he's not a flashy player, but does everything well, so I say his floor is bottom 6 player, PK, physical, great D, shot blocking, but if he develops it doesn't take much to see him in the top 6. Sounds like a Pageau replacement good comp. eventually. I think he's going to BU or BC which is perfect for him.

Sounds similar to Danny Nelson last year. Bednarik and Cole will be college teammates.

In comment 16545518 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 16545512 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 16545510 JayBinQueens said: Quote: In comment 16545505 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 16545503 JayBinQueens said: Quote: In comment 16545497 pjcas18 said: Quote: are crushing their picks. I like Bednarik and Eiserman. picking off the USNDTP glue guys. What type of upside does Bednarik have Part of it is projection, he's not a flashy player, but does everything well, so I say his floor is bottom 6 player, PK, physical, great D, shot blocking, but if he develops it doesn't take much to see him in the top 6. Sounds like a Pageau replacement good comp. eventually. I think he's going to BU or BC which is perfect for him. Sounds similar to Danny Nelson last year. Bednarik and Cole will be college teammates.

Another good comp. I think Nelson has a little more edge to his game, but similar players - a lot of the USNTDP play this style.

Announce the Trouba trade already!

if true. Hayes is one of the few US players I'm not a fan of, I hate that he's been blessed with such size but plays soft as charmin.

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if true. Hayes is one of the few US players I'm not a fan of, I hate that he's been blessed with such size but plays soft as charmin. Josh Yohe @JoshYohe_PGH Whether you like the Kevin Hayes move or not, important to note that he was rumored to play a role in Cutter Gauthier refusing to play in Philly. Hayes denies. But still funny and maybe will add some spice to Penguins-Flyers rivalry, which has gone stale the past few years. 1:07 PM · Jun 29, 2024 · 1,509 Views

You didn't hear this? Pj, I'm shocked lol.


Torts defending Hayes - ( New Window )

In comment 16545530 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 16545528 pjcas18 said: Quote: if true. Hayes is one of the few US players I'm not a fan of, I hate that he's been blessed with such size but plays soft as charmin. Josh Yohe @JoshYohe_PGH Whether you like the Kevin Hayes move or not, important to note that he was rumored to play a role in Cutter Gauthier refusing to play in Philly. Hayes denies. But still funny and maybe will add some spice to Penguins-Flyers rivalry, which has gone stale the past few years. 1:07 PM · Jun 29, 2024 · 1,509 Views You didn't hear this? Pj, I'm shocked lol. Torts defending Hayes - ( New Window )

oh yeah, it looks familiar now, I think someone on here shared it.

Size of Devils first four picks:
Silayev: 6'7, 207
Yegorov: 6'5, 187
Pikkarainen: 6'3, 198
Traff: 6'3, 216

the draft is 6' 3" or taller it seems. I don't remember it being this drastic before.

The broadcast crew commented on it a few times. If I hear the phrase "big rig" again it will be too soon.

Someone (Granato?) estimated two thirds of the draftees were over 6' 3"

I can't remember this many trades on draft day(s).

Akira Schmid going from NJD to LVG

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Akira Schmid going from NJD to LVG

And Holtz!


Sounds like Schmid and Holtz for Paul Cotter and a pick

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In comment 16545555 pjcas18 said: Quote: Akira Schmid going from NJD to LVG And Holtz! Sounds like Schmid and Holtz for Paul Cotter and a pick

yeah that's it - a 2025 3rd.

Around the league better than I do especially out west. Give me the breakdown on Cotter.

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Around the league better than I do especially out west. Give me the breakdown on Cotter.

JAG - bottom 6 player, will hit, block shots, interchangeable, probably sticks if he has a min contract otherwise I wouldn't be shocked if he gets cut (not too familiar with the bottom of NJD roster)

Not sure, but I don't think he was active at all for LVG in the playoffs.

Not sure why/how they threw Holtz in to this trade unless they're looking to clear cap (is Holtz an RFA?)

drafted a player from a public high school in MA.

I know I saw a kid from a MN high school picked earlier, but I'm not sure this happens too often anymore.

In comment 16545563 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 16545562 Stu11 said: Quote: Around the league better than I do especially out west. Give me the breakdown on Cotter. JAG - bottom 6 player, will hit, block shots, interchangeable, probably sticks if he has a min contract otherwise I wouldn't be shocked if he gets cut (not too familiar with the bottom of NJD roster) Not sure, but I don't think he was active at all for LVG in the playoffs. Not sure why/how they threw Holtz in to this trade unless they're looking to clear cap (is Holtz an RFA?)

No Holtz has another year left on his ELC. This trade makes no sense whatsoever. They save next to nothing on the cap. Not saying Holtz headlines a deal any more but he was a good guy to combine with other assets in a big trade. I get his star has fallen in the organization but come on he's trade for a 4th line JAG??

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drafted a player from a public high school in MA. I know I saw a kid from a MN high school picked earlier, but I'm not sure this happens too often anymore.

Sorry, Saint Sebastians is not public. It's $58 grand a year to go to. lol.

acquiring the rights to Chris Tanev in exchange for Max Ellis and "mr irrelevant"

In the last 2 big Devils trades- Timo & Markstrom neither team wanted Holtz. Obviously his trade value wasn't much. I thought maybe Keefe would take 1 more shot this year at developing him but maybe he didn't like what he saw either. Just seemed to me worth it for another season. It's not like you can get less in a trade. Oh well.

but man, this definitely makes you think. from NY Post...

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...4. If the Rangers do move Trouba with a $2.5 million retention, they would be flush in 2024-25 space, with approximately $21.1M with which to fill four spots up front and three on defense, including impending restricted free agents Ryan Lindgren and Braden Schneider. But the crunch is coming in 2025-26, when Igor Shesterkin, Alexis Lafreniere and K’Andre Miller are due new contracts that could amount to a sum of at least $26M. For reference, the trio will eat a combined $11.9M this season. Kind of a big gulp, don’t you think? 5. The gulp may be even larger than you imagine with The Post having been told that Shesterkin’s camp is aiming for a contract under which the goaltender would start with 14 percent of the cap, which would equate to a netminding record of $12.9M under an expected $92M cap for 2025-26. The cap hit would remain at $12.9M through the contract while the percentage would decline as the cap is expected to increase. But that number seems untenable on a deal that would likely be seven or eight years and take Shesterkin — who has had two very uneven regular seasons following his 2021-22 Vezina — to age 36 or 37. In fact, I’d suggest it would be untenable for the Rangers, GM Chris Drury and the hierarchy to enter the season with Shesterkin as a pending free agent. This is something that needs to get done before the season. If the goaltender’s camp is not amenable to that, the Rangers will have to investigate trade opportunities. ...

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/r/Habs
@HabsOnReddit
“CHI tried to get into that 4th spot, offering next year’s unprotected 1st+, CBJ didn’t do it. PHI also tried, couldn’t do it. That was about Demidov. Everybody knew MTL was gonna take Demidov 5th & if you wanted to get him, you had to beat them [to it].”

- Elliotte Friedman

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In comment 16545563 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 16545562 Stu11 said: Quote: Around the league better than I do especially out west. Give me the breakdown on Cotter. JAG - bottom 6 player, will hit, block shots, interchangeable, probably sticks if he has a min contract otherwise I wouldn't be shocked if he gets cut (not too familiar with the bottom of NJD roster) Not sure, but I don't think he was active at all for LVG in the playoffs. Not sure why/how they threw Holtz in to this trade unless they're looking to clear cap (is Holtz an RFA?) No Holtz has another year left on his ELC. This trade makes no sense whatsoever. They save next to nothing on the cap. Not saying Holtz headlines a deal any more but he was a good guy to combine with other assets in a big trade. I get his star has fallen in the organization but come on he's trade for a 4th line JAG??

For what it's worth, ESPN is giving the devils a higher grade for this trade than VGK.

for a 3rd....

Tampa Bay Lightning
@TBLightning
Latest addition coming to Tampa! ⚡️

We have acquired forward Jake Guentzel from the Carolina Hurricanes in exchange for a third-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft.

looks like they may need to move more money if they are going to sign him and stamkos though.

is "officially" testing free agency.

I think they get Guentzel done before FA.

I also am always surprised at how often the deals do get done in these types of situations.

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is "officially" testing free agency. I think they get Guentzel done before FA.

34 years old but 3 healthy years in a row.

malkin at 36 got 4x6.1m 2 years ago. he'd been older and more injured but not sure there's a better comp than that. got to think stamkos will do a lot better than that. cap about 10% higher.

linked to Stamkos.

I think this explains the TBL Sergachev trade - an effort to clear space for Guentzel especially once Stamkos talks broke off.

Elliotte was all over this.

Edmonton Oilers
@EdmontonOilers
The #Oilers have placed goaltender Jack Campbell on unconditional waivers for the purpose of a buyout.

seems way better than last year's, especially if stamkos goes elsewhere.

im hoping theres a way isles can clear $ for marchessault. played for roy in minors and would be a pretty good fit for what isles need. if they can move pageau or palmieri i think that's enough money.

...

Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
#nhljets have also placed D Nate Schmidt on unconditional waivers today for purposes of a buyout.
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... Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli #nhljets have also placed D Nate Schmidt on unconditional waivers today for purposes of a buyout. 12:10 PM · Jun 30, 2024 · 23.5K Views

the FA class is probably why there wasnt much action at draft. teams would probably rather sign guys for free before trading assets for guys who need extensions any way.

could be an interesting trade market once free agents start coming off the board.

a lot of trades as the draft. Is there usually more activity?

PLD went pre-draft as did Mangiapane - both to WAS.

Only one I did not see reported yet was Boqvist.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Buyout waivers today: Adam Boqvist (Columbus), Jack Campbell (Edmonton), Nate Schmidt (Winnipeg)

Ben Pope
@BenPopeCST
Sounds like Taylor Raddysh will NOT receive a qualifying offer from the Blackhawks. Deadline for those is today at 4pm CT.

Sportsnet
@Sportsnet
Max Domi and the Maple Leafs are closing in on a contract extension, as per @FriedgeHNIC
. 👀

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Hearing talks between the Maple Leafs and Max Domi intensified over the last 24 hours…we should see something at four years, just under $4M AAV

how this plays out, but maybe something to keep an eye on (with Hart at least).

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris
Sources say there is no change to the NHL rights of the Canadian world junior players charged with sexual assault.

That means Dillon Dubé (CGY), Carter Hart (PHI), Michael McLeod (NJ) and Cal Foote (NJ) will become UFA's if not tendered a qualifying offer by 5 p.m. ET on Sunday.

Usually it's a token 5th or 6th rounder. Yesterday Toronto dealt their last pick for Tanev's rights.

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how this plays out, but maybe something to keep an eye on (with Hart at least). Chris Johnston @reporterchris Sources say there is no change to the NHL rights of the Canadian world junior players charged with sexual assault. That means Dillon Dubé (CGY), Carter Hart (PHI), Michael McLeod (NJ) and Cal Foote (NJ) will become UFA's if not tendered a qualifying offer by 5 p.m. ET on Sunday.

Yeah no way the Devils tender McLeod. Hart is a very interesting situation.

should be doing right now is commiting 6 or so years at 9+ mill per it's gonna cost for Guentzel. They're off their rocker.

from Domi, hate the Leafs, but I love when players love where they are.


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Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
It was believed it would be an either/or for the Leafs in negotiations with Domi and Bertuzzi. However, with Domi locked down, Toronto continues to negotiate with Tyler Bertuzzi.

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Yeah no way the Devils tender McLeod. Hart is a very interesting situation.

Yea easy decision there. I think Hart will be the only one tendered.

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a lot of trades as the draft. Is there usually more activity? PLD went pre-draft as did Mangiapane - both to WAS. Only one I did not see reported yet was Boqvist. Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC Buyout waivers today: Adam Boqvist (Columbus), Jack Campbell (Edmonton), Nate Schmidt (Winnipeg)

maybe i missed but did any players move for firsts around draft? feel like there have been a bunch in the last few drafts and maybe this is just a nyi centric thing but the trend had felt like more trades of 1st round picks for established players (romanov, fiala, debrincat, but maybe that was just an outlier in 2022).

In comment 16545994 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16545921 pjcas18 said: Quote: a lot of trades as the draft. Is there usually more activity? PLD went pre-draft as did Mangiapane - both to WAS. Only one I did not see reported yet was Boqvist. Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC Buyout waivers today: Adam Boqvist (Columbus), Jack Campbell (Edmonton), Nate Schmidt (Winnipeg) maybe i missed but did any players move for firsts around draft? feel like there have been a bunch in the last few drafts and maybe this is just a nyi centric thing but the trend had felt like more trades of 1st round picks for established players (romanov, fiala, debrincat, but maybe that was just an outlier in 2022).

Well relatively speaking...and omitting player trades for a moment, so just trades involving a 1st...

last year, 2023 draft there were 0 trades. A function of a strong draft class and weak FA class.

but the 2024 draft (just at the draft) there were 6 trades involving 1st round picks.

in 2022 at the draft there were 6.

Some of them in 2022, like Romanov, Debrincat, Dach, etc involved players.

In 2024, none did, but the trades were still happening.

none of top names like necas, ehlers, marner ended up moving, probably because this happens to be a year where you can buy forwards in FA.

of the FA class but also the 2024 draft winding up stronger (from a prospect standpoint) than once was anticipated.

2023 draft is regarded as strong because it was so top heavy with Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov, but overall there was not that much positional diversity.

2024 did not have a Bedard, but from a depth standpoint might be stronger than 2023 and has a better mix of F and D, so teams did not want to give up those 1sts after scouting players and becoming comfortable with who could be available when they pick.

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What did you think of the Devils draft?

Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
A few notes ahead of July 1 in the NHL…

As I said on our draft broadcast, the Jacob Trouba stuff is real. Believe family considerations are huge - and that could be hold up with potential Red Wings trade. We’ll see what transpires over next few hours before his trade protection kicks in, but his future with NYR is in limbo.

Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
All focus for Tampa Bay after clearing cap space is to sign Jake Guentzel. Canes closed in on framework in Vegas, but Guentzel got so close to July, he decided to test elsewhere. Canes will busy regardless. Many in the NHL are focusing on Nashville for Stamkos but I wouldn’t rule out anything.

Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
The Devils making big moves this offseason. Already got Jacob Markstrom and as @EmptyNettersPod
first reported, expectation is Brett Pesce also signs. Don’t think they’re done after that either.

Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
Patrick Kane is still in communication with Red Wings and I think there’s a possibility he goes back. While fit and a chance to win are most important, term and money also have to make sense.

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Patrick Kane is still in communication with Red Wings and I think there’s a possibility he goes back. While fit and a chance to win are most important, term and money also have to make sense.

What else is left when deciding on a contract lol

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In comment 16546032 Stu11 said: Quote: . What did you think of the Devils draft?

Jay I loved the Silayev pick. His size and skating and defensive/shut down and hitting upside are a fit on any team. Buium would have been an interesting pick and has tremendous upside as well, but with Luke, Hamilton and even Nemec here for the foreseeable future offensively we're fine there. The rest of the draft was very meh to me. I mean I'm going on all what I read, I wouldn't know these guys if they fell out of the sky into my living room. The 3rd Rd kid from Finland is interesting with his size and upside. The goalie in the 2nd Rd. Doesn't blow me away. Seems like he's most likely a backup. What did you think?

Lol

are predominantly the 1st round.

That's not to say the rest is meaningless, of course its meaningful, but the odds of NHL draft success is skewed to the 1st round more than any other sports draft, even baseball.

THW just did a study of every draft from 1963-2023.

Just a draft pick playing at least 1 NHL game drops 20% from Round 1 to Round 2 (88% to 68%).

playing at least 100 games drops over 30% from round 1 to round 2 (from 70% to 39%) basically that's saying a 2nd round pick in the NHL draft has historically a 40% chance of playing at least 100 games. a season is 82). A 2nd round pick has just a 25% chance of playing 300 NHL games which is considered an ok career.

Every later round gets worse.

Which is why I'd give up 2nd round picks or later very easily, but I'd be hesitant to give up 1sts (not groundbreaking, lol, but the discrepancy is wide).

Article linked below...
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I absolutely loved the Silayev pick. I saw several mocks with him going 3rd overall so I didn't expect him to fall to 10. I've seen comps to Hedman and Chara but I think the Hedman comps are extreme best case scenario but he is exactly what this team needs, a potential elite shutdown defenseman. If his offensive game develops more I expect him to be a 1st line LD who can chip in 35-45 points a year. Buium is very talented but he's another offensive Dman with a questions about his play in his own zone. The Devils have enough offensive defensemen with Hamilton, Hughes, Nemec, and soon Casey. Now they can play Silayev with Nemec or Casey in the future.

I really did like the Yegorov pick. He was arguably the best goalie prospect in the draft and he is already in North America so there is no concern about him possibly not coming over. He is committed to BU in the 25-26 season.

The other picks were meh but I was happy to see them take another goalie later. It is so difficult to project goalies and so many mid to late round picks turn into good starters so the more chances you take the better the odds. Even after trading Schmid the Devils have a nice group of goalie prospects with Daws, Brennan, Malek, Yegorov, and Louhivaara.

Schmid I am fine with trading as there was a logjam in net in the minors with all the prospects but I wanted to see how Holtz would perform with a fresh start under Keefe. Cotter is a solid 4th line LW but nothing special and they could have easily found a player similar.

Larry Brooks
@NYP_Brooksie
It's not only the Rangers who swing and miss. Dallas traded a No. 1 for Nils Lundkvist. He played 119 games for Stars over two years, was not qualified, and is eligible to become UFA tomorrow at age 23.

a good player.

Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
#UtahHC Sean Durzi breakdown:

2024-26: $7.1 million
2025-26: $5.6 million
2026-27: $4.8 million
2027-28: $6.5 million

Total: 4 years, $24 million, $6 million AAV
Includes a 10-team NTC clause starting July 1, 2026.
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Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
Hearing #Habs have traded D Jonathan Kovacevic.

No word yet on where or return.

Canadiens had a logjam on defense - and no shortage of right-shooting blueliners at that.

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Schmid I am fine with trading as there was a logjam in net in the minors with all the prospects but I wanted to see how Holtz would perform with a fresh start under Keefe. Cotter is a solid 4th line LW but nothing special and they could have easily found a player similar.

That was my initial reaction to the trade. However as I mentioned in another post trade wise Holtz had no value around the league. I agree I'd have loved to see him get a fresh start with Keefe. However it seems like they just gave up on him. The analytics actually like Cotter. He's a very good skater and hitter, dirt cheap at less than a million. Tomorrow will be very interesting. Everyone seems to think Pesce is all but done but the have space to do other things as well. They're still in the market for a top 6 fwd.

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Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli Hearing #Habs have traded D Jonathan Kovacevic.

Kovacevic is going to #njdevils in exchange for a 2026 4th Round Pick.

Kovacevik is solid, but not spectacular.

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Kovacevik is solid, but not spectacular.

I like it. He's still pretty young and he was solid but it's odd that they added another RD. They have Hamilton, Nemec, and likely Pesce there plus DeSimone and Casey in the minors.

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Kovacevik is solid, but not spectacular.

Yeah could be Bahl's replacement on the roster. Cheap depth piece.

allegedly in on McGroarty.

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
Patrick Kane and the Red Wings closing in on a one-year deal
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Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Among players who did not receive qualifying offers today, making them free agents: Calen Addison, Joey Anderson, Jake Bean, Jesper Boqvist, Erik Brannstrom, Jacob Bryson, Max Comtois, Dillon Dube, Cal Foote, Noah Gregor, Carter Hart, Boris Katchouk, Parker Kelly, Nils Lundkvist, Michael McLeod, Alex Nylander, Mason Shaw, Sam Steel, Jack Studnicka, Filip Zadina

NHL indicated the four players charged in the Team Canada 2018 case would have to be qualified for their teams to keep their rights. None did so.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Add to this lis:t: Blake Lizotte, Mattias Norlinder and Pierre-Olivier Joseph

No one will touch him till this gets resolved one way or another but if he's acquitted Hart will make a nice free agent killing.

the NTC/NMC and then act like the player is the problem.

Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
I’ve been working on the train and will share a few tidbits in this thread heading into a big Monday…

- The Trouba situation has gotten messy. Makes sense for #NYR to move him and use cap space elsewhere, but you can also understand him not wanting to uproot his family.

Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
- Part of reason he wanted to come to NY in first place was for his wife’s medical career and now they have 6-month-old. Can’t blame him for wanting to stay put, and I don’t think the way he and Goodrow have been handled this offseason is sitting well with some teammates.

Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
- Fences will need to be mended if Trouba is back, but you have to wonder if all this makes him feel unwanted and he ultimately decides to go. Clock is ticking for #NYR, who need cap certainty ASAP as they weigh UFA decisions, especially with Guentzel & Kane likely off the table.

Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
- Steven Stamkos is a guy many have their eye on and I do believe #NYR have interest. Bertuzzi, Marchessault and Toffoli also make some sense, otherwise they could go cheaper at RW and put more focus on C and D. Depth at both positions is a legit concern. Lots of intrigue!

PuckPedia
@PuckPedia
Recently acquired Goalie Akira Schmid did not receive a qualifying offer from #VegasBorn, making him a free agent

is going back to play in Europe.

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
#Habs qualified RFAs Justin Barron and Arber Xhekaj.

No QO for Jesse Ylonen, Lias Andersson, Filip Cederqvist, and Mattias Norlinder. @PuckPedia

Not a Drury fan but his handling of Goodrow and Trouba is a big positive.

The goal is to win the Cup. If you wanted to remain best friends forever, you should have won one.

Although I guess that isn't true either since Stamkos and Sergachev are gone from Tampa lol

Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
Sources say #GoBolts have agreed to terms on a contract with Jake Guentzel after a productive Sunday.

Details have been hard to come by as Tampa has other moving parts, and info might not come out until tomorrow.

Kevin Weekes
@KevinWeekes
Sounds like @TBLightning
have progressed and closing in on a Contract Extension with D Hedman. #GoBolts #HockeyX

THE SHOW GOES ON IN HOCKEYTOWN!

The #RedWings have signed Patrick Kane to a one-year contract extension.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Hearing the Panthers did get Sam Reinhart signed to a maximum-term eight-year deal before the midnight deadline
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Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
The Steven Stamkos Sweepstakes are just that, with six or more teams still very much in the running. Amongst the many suitors still pitching to Stamkos and his agent Don Meehan are NSH, ANA, CAR, DET and NJ but it’s a fluid situation and others are involved as well.

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
I would think Jake Guentzel’s deal with TB will be the richest of the day. Word on the street — that is, not necessarily an official number — is that it will be seven years with an AAV of $9 million or thereabouts.

Carolina would be an interesting destination if he wants to contend for a cup. The Panthers save someone from massively overpaying Reinhart for a ridiculous career year.

was a huge case of SC euphoria/keep the band together-ism.

I definitely would not have bent over backwards for the 8th year.

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was a huge case of SC euphoria/keep the band together-ism. I definitely would not have bent over backwards for the 8th year.

Yeah I guess if you're Florida you're doing everything you can to repeat so you justify it. Of course the Guentzel deal is crazy but then again with Igor wanting 12 mill soon enough I guess it will look like a bargain by then.

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
Stanley Cup champion goaltender Anthony Stolarz will have a decision to make. Three teams, including Florida and Toronto are working on signing the 6’6 tender.

In comment 16546312 pjcas18 said:

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Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger Stanley Cup champion goaltender Anthony Stolarz will have a decision to make. Three teams, including Florida and Toronto are working on signing the 6’6 tender.

Per Dreger, CHI is the 3rd team.

to CHI

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
Bertuzzi’s 4-year deal with Chicago will come with a $5.5M AAV
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David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
Sam Carrick is joining the NY Rangers on a 3-year, $3M total deal.
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David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
Tampa makes the Jake Guentzel deal official: 7 years at $9M AAV
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David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
#Flames are trying to add up front today. Anthony Mantha is a player they’re targeting

fans. I'm at the age now I'd consider going to these kinds of things. I'm trying to convince my family to go to Germany for the Giants game.

If I were a NJD fan, I would absolutely look into this and I hear Prague is incredible.

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
Breaking News: #LetsGoBuffalo will visit Munich for exhibition play then take on #NJDevils in Prague for 2 games to kick off the 2024-25 season. Then in Nov, #TexasHockey play #TimeToHunt in Tampere, Finland for 2 games. Also, there WILL be an All-Star Game in 2026 & 2027. ⤵️

While the term is crazy, the AAV isn't that bad at all.

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fans. I'm at the age now I'd consider going to these kinds of things. I'm trying to convince my family to go to Germany for the Giants game. If I were a NJD fan, I would absolutely look into this and I hear Prague is incredible. David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod Breaking News: #LetsGoBuffalo will visit Munich for exhibition play then take on #NJDevils in Prague for 2 games to kick off the 2024-25 season. Then in Nov, #TexasHockey play #TimeToHunt in Tampere, Finland for 2 games. Also, there WILL be an All-Star Game in 2026 & 2027. ⤵️

Yeah a good buddy of mine from HS(we went to a million games together our last few years of school) has lived in Israel since HS he goes to the Czech Republic a lot. Loves it. He's already got tickets for the games. Too bad I work in a schools so an Oct trip isn't in the cards.

PuckPedia
@PuckPedia
The #NYR qualified Lindgren, Robertson, Henriksson, and Schneider.

They did not qualify Trivigno and Lindbom

Full list of non QO's:

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
Devils are going to add a top-six forward. One name to look out for: Jonathan Marchessault. Lots of noise there.

Championship

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Maybe they think he can replace Goodrow's regular season? Hits, blocks shots, has become pretty good on the dots.

4th liner

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
Veteran defenceman Dmitry Kulikov is heading back to the Stanley Cup champion FLA Panthers. Four years, AAV of $1.15 million.

6 years $5.5 million AAV. Not a fan of the term.

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Yeah, the reason I don't like 6 years is b/c they just signed Kovacevic and they have RD in the system like Casey.

and a glut of RD on the roster.

Unless they think Hamilton is done.

I guess teams do it to keep the AAV down but man does it bite you in the ass. Just look at Palat. Don't totally hate it with Pesce. He's 4 years younger than Palat and has a game that should age just fine and with the cap ballooning in the next few years he AAV is solid. Forget about the RD/LD/current makeup of the roster. Check out the roster turnover from a team 2 years ago that set the Devils regular season record for points. 2 or 3 years from now Hamilton probably won't be here and Casey could easily be dealt.

legit?

Mike Commodore
@commie22
Steven Stamkos has had it with these insulting offers from the Lightning…he’s had enough…he’s #PackingHisShit and heading to #Smashville on a 4 year deal

NHL
@NHL
WOLL EXTENDED 🧱

Joseph Woll is staying with the @MapleLeafs
on a three-year deal! #NHLFreeAgency

Dillon as well.

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Dillon as well.

I'm not a Marchessault fan, but hard to argue adding a Conn Smythe winner isn't a good move.

Devils season will come down to health and Markstrom.

[Toronto Maple Leafs] We've signed defenceman Chris Tanev to a six-year contract. The average annual value of the contract is $4.5 million.





Also favored to land OEL

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legit? Mike Commodore @commie22 Steven Stamkos has had it with these insulting offers from the Lightning…he’s had enough…he’s #PackingHisShit and heading to #Smashville on a 4 year deal

Pierre says pump the brakes....

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
All signs still point to Nashville being the front-runner for Steven Stamkos. Still nothing finalized obviously.

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In comment 16546456 Stu11 said: Quote: Dillon as well. I'm not a Marchessault fan, but hard to argue adding a Conn Smythe winner isn't a good move. Devils season will come down to health and Markstrom.

Yeah I'm mixed on Marchessault. Definitely a solid top 6 guy, but at 33 I really hope they don't give him 5 years.

In comment 16546462 JayBinQueens said:

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[Toronto Maple Leafs] We've signed defenceman Chris Tanev to a six-year contract. The average annual value of the contract is $4.5 million. Also favored to land OEL

I get you wanna keep the AAV down but 6 years to a guy who's gonna be 35 in December??? wow.

In comment 16546470 Stu11 said:

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In comment 16546462 JayBinQueens said: Quote: [Toronto Maple Leafs] We've signed defenceman Chris Tanev to a six-year contract. The average annual value of the contract is $4.5 million. Also favored to land OEL I get you wanna keep the AAV down but 6 years to a guy who's gonna be 35 in December??? wow.

especially to a pretty one-dimensional player like Tanev.

Maybe TOR thinks with their forward group and Rielly they could use some defensive d-men.

In comment 16546473 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 16546470 Stu11 said: Quote: In comment 16546462 JayBinQueens said: Quote: [Toronto Maple Leafs] We've signed defenceman Chris Tanev to a six-year contract. The average annual value of the contract is $4.5 million. Also favored to land OEL I get you wanna keep the AAV down but 6 years to a guy who's gonna be 35 in December??? wow. especially to a pretty one-dimensional player like Tanev. Maybe TOR thinks with their forward group and Rielly they could use some defensive d-men.

yea they are definitely all in for this core's prime the next 3 or 4 years and then I guess they figure they'll deal with a train wreck of a roster after that.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Hearing Nashville has emerged as a serious contender for Jonathan Marchessault

NMC for Tanev, so no way out.

per Elliotte

Gotta think Rangers may overpay for Teuravainen. If they don't land him, they've got to explore the trade market.

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Gotta think Rangers may overpay for Teuravainen. If they don't land him, they've got to explore the trade market.

And it sounds like Teuvo is headed to Chicago

for Marner. DO IT DO IT.

Joking aside, I can't see any scenario in which Drury comes out of this with a better team. Zero.

NYR are already less tough, if 8 is done they are way less tough. Are they any more skilled than they were last year? Not like any free agents left out there are going to raise the skill level. (Assuming Stamkos isn't coming in)

Wow

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In comment 16546490 Anakim said: Quote: Gotta think Rangers may overpay for Teuravainen. If they don't land him, they've got to explore the trade market. And it sounds like Teuvo is headed to Chicago

Back where he came from (NHL-wise)

day he left NYI still stings.


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We'll see where it ends up officially, but word is Steven Stamkos' deal with the Predators should end up around four years and $8 million AAV per year

I want to say if NSH signs Stamkos even at 34 years old he immediately becomes the best forward Filip Forsberg (at 30 years old and 12 seasons into his career) has played with.

for a contender IMO. Definitely has outplayed his rep from Philly.

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
There were talks all week with Detroit but sounds like Shayne Gostisbehere will head to market today

will be interesting to see where the Devils go for a top 6 guy

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Necas?

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will be interesting to see where the Devils go for a top 6 guy

And they're in on Skjei and Stephenson. Busy down there in Nashville!

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Ehlers? I don't think Zegras fits, but you could make a case he fits anywhere.

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
If the Predators can finalize things with Jonathan Marchessault, hearing his deal with Nashville will be five years and around $5.5 M AAV per season

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Brandon Montour deal in Seattle will be 7 x $7.14M

Kevin Weekes
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. #SJSharks #HockeyX

So the Rangers are going to do nothing to improve other than the addition-by-subtraction of Trouba, if that even happens. Great.

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
Jonathan Drouin likely hitting the open market. Boston, St Louis and the NYR believed to be among the clubs most interested. Return to Colorado also possible.

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Yeah all are interesting options. Trades are trickier, but you also don't have to deal with giving out 5-6 years in term.

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Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger Jonathan Drouin likely hitting the open market. Boston, St Louis and the NYR believed to be among the clubs most interested. Return to Colorado also possible.

He was really good in COL last year. Of course it was playing next to MacKinnon, but had a great 2-way season.

He'd be a good addition to a contender if the term and $$$ are right.

yep thats why the Devils dealt him. The ask was crazy. Love TT but I don't see his game aging as well and his lack of speed is not gonna get better.

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris

The #caps acquire Jakob Chychrun from the #sens for Nick Jensen and a 2026 third-round pick.

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Chris Johnston @reporterchris The #caps acquire Jakob Chychrun from the #sens for Nick Jensen and a 2026 third-round pick.

Nice deal for WAS. They are trying to salvage Ovi's end of career.

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In comment 16546556 Anakim said: Quote: Chris Johnston @reporterchris The #caps acquire Jakob Chychrun from the #sens for Nick Jensen and a 2026 third-round pick. Nice deal for WAS. They are trying to salvage Ovi's end of career.

And they just signed Matt Roy

Maybe they can shore up the fourth line some more, that'll put them over the top

Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli

Sources say #njdevils are closing in on defenseman Brenden Dillon: sounds like 3 years just around/under $4 million per year.

wow the NHL actually gave some marketing thought to a game...

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Maybe they can shore up the fourth line some more, that'll put them over the top

I am quickly starting to absolutely fucking despise Chris Drury. What an absolute disaster.

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Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli Sources say #njdevils are closing in on defenseman Brenden Dillon: sounds like 3 years just around/under $4 million per year.

Outside of Dougie the Devils have completely remade their D from a team 2 years ago that had well north of 100 points.

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger

Boston lands both Lindholm and Zadorov.

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Maybe they can shore up the fourth line some more, that'll put them over the top

I have to think he's working on a trade. Kakko?

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@NJDevils sign Brett Pesce to a six-year contract worth an AAV of $5.5 million

But hey, who needs a forward who can actually play defense?

The Rangers have been run so poorly for so many years now.

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun

As reported earlier but now a done deal, Steven Stamkos, Jonathan Marchessault and Brady Skjei all agree to terms in Nashville.
Stamkos, 4 years x $8 M AAV
Marchessault, 5 years x $5.5 M AAV
Brady Skjei, 7 years x $7 M AAV

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But hey, who needs a forward who can actually play defense? The Rangers have been run so poorly for so many years now.

SO SO SO SO SO SO BAD- absolutely cannot believe JD/Gorton were on such short leashes for this absolute jackass.

"But he is very tight lipped" yea no shit because he gets bullied by every other GM in the league. Obviously, he isn't going to advertise that.

did with the Presidents Trophy (which is obviously not a consolation) and lost to the SC winner in a series closer than it looked, so they should not need much to get back there.

Maybe they just think Rempe as a full time member of the lineup does it (fans do, lol).

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Elias Lindholm 7 x $7.75 Boston

1 or 2C.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC

Arvidsson to Edmonton

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
$4 million AAV.

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did with the Presidents Trophy (which is obviously not a consolation) and lost to the SC winner in a series closer than it looked, so they should not need much to get back there. Maybe they just think Rempe as a full time member of the lineup does it (fans do, lol).

I would argue the exact opposite about the FL series. It was NOT a close series. Both Rangers wins they got ABSOLUTELY BULLIED for at least 75% of the game. One of the games was an insanely lucky tip in by Wennberg. That series should have been a sweep if not for a superhuman Igor performance.

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
Monahan is deliberating now as Bob reports. It’s expected this deal will come in around 5 years and just north of $25 million. CBJ or WPG?

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But hey, who needs a forward who can actually play defense? The Rangers have been run so poorly for so many years now.

Which of these completed deals would you say Drury should have beaten? We're like 45 minutes into free agency. Give it a little time?

in such good health. These prices are very rich.

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The well has dried up. There are no more decent options. I know PJ mentioned Drouin, but he was playing with fucking MacKinnon and has been a complete bust.

I would've definitely done Arvidsson for 2 x 4M.

by the quiet NYR start. I think their situation is pretty complicated and I really don't mind a measured approach.

I would have really liked Matt Roy, I will say that.

Teuvo was the only signing so far that left me wishing the Rangers had been able to get that done.

Shedding Goodrow and eventually Trouba is not nothing and tells me Drury isn't just sitting on his hands looking to run it back.

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Teuvo was the only signing so far that left me wishing the Rangers had been able to get that done. Shedding Goodrow and eventually Trouba is not nothing and tells me Drury isn't just sitting on his hands looking to run it back.

Yeah, but for whom? For what? Shedding the salary in order to get whom?

Arvidsson is a reasonable shoutout. That's a cheap deal and he had Laviolette ties. Otherwise I'm not seeing much that has me envious besides him and Teuvo.

Trades are an option, either now or in-season where we can weaponize cap space even more. Let's see

Not trading Trouba meant they were probably pretty tight today.

Try to get someone at the deadline to improve the defense and RW. The team was 2 games from the SCF, and Florida is getting a little worse. Rangers have some risk, too, but they'll be up there again.

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Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger Monahan is deliberating now as Bob reports. It’s expected this deal will come in around 5 years and just north of $25 million. CBJ or WPG?

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun

The Blue Jackets have agreed to terms with Sean Monahan, five years x $5.5 M AAV per season.
Reunion with Johnny Gaudreau

IMO. Big dude, decent defensively, but NYR fans complain about 2 years left on Trouba at $8M - I'd take that all day before this deal with Zadorov. Should be a trade market for Trouba after teams see these numbers.

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
6 years $5 mill per for Zadorov in Boston.

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Not trading Trouba meant they were probably pretty tight today. Try to get someone at the deadline to improve the defense and RW. The team was 2 games from the SCF, and Florida is getting a little worse. Rangers have some risk, too, but they'll be up there again.

And NJ and Washington have gotten better.

Fuck Trouba. I know it's his prerogative under the contract, but he's hurt and disappointed that he was going to be traded? Boo fucking hoo. Maybe if he earned that 8M per...or even close to it, we wouldn't be so gung-ho to get rid of him.

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
1-year deal for Mantha in Calgary

off these past 2 seasons, but I could see Boston getting the most out of him and if he gets back to where he was when he was playing with Tkatchuk/Gaudreu it could be worth it.

Brennan Klak
@nhlupdate

#Canucks sign Jake DeBrusk to a seven-year deal at a 5.5M AAV

Darren Dreger
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Kevin Stenlund. Two years at $2 mil per with Utah.

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Vancouver Canucks General Manager Patrik Allvin announced today that the club has agreed to terms with forward Danton Heinen on a 2-year contract with a $2.25M AAV.

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Teuvo was the only signing so far that left me wishing the Rangers had been able to get that done. Shedding Goodrow and eventually Trouba is not nothing and tells me Drury isn't just sitting on his hands looking to run it back.

He may not be sitting on his hands but doesn't seem like he is a guy who can get anything done.

What has he done that is positive? Made some deadline rentals?

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In comment 16546597 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Not trading Trouba meant they were probably pretty tight today. Try to get someone at the deadline to improve the defense and RW. The team was 2 games from the SCF, and Florida is getting a little worse. Rangers have some risk, too, but they'll be up there again. And NJ and Washington have gotten better. Fuck Trouba. I know it's his prerogative under the contract, but he's hurt and disappointed that he was going to be traded? Boo fucking hoo. Maybe if he earned that 8M per...or even close to it, we wouldn't be so gung-ho to get rid of him.

Washington remains irrelevant. I think the Devils are going to be good again, though.

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In comment 16546593 Kyle in NY said: Quote: Teuvo was the only signing so far that left me wishing the Rangers had been able to get that done. Shedding Goodrow and eventually Trouba is not nothing and tells me Drury isn't just sitting on his hands looking to run it back. He may not be sitting on his hands but doesn't seem like he is a guy who can get anything done. What has he done that is positive? Made some deadline rentals?

Capitalize on the signings and draft of Gorton

I am really struggling to find anything good! Is the best thing he has done getting Chytil to accept a contract without a NMC?

Arthur Staple
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Not sure if it's done but hearing Jonathan Drouin is headed back to COL. #NYR had strong interest

with guys like Dillon, Kovacevic and Cotter at very little cost cap wise. They needed it more than even finishing out their top 6 fwds. All of the guys they added can play.

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I am really struggling to find anything good! Is the best thing he has done getting Chytil to accept a contract without a NMC?

Trocheck looks like an absolute bargain when guys like Debrusk are getting the same AAV as him and Lindholm is getting 2M more. So there's that

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In comment 16546619 TeamSchlitz1 said: Quote: I am really struggling to find anything good! Is the best thing he has done getting Chytil to accept a contract without a NMC? Trocheck looks like an absolute bargain when guys like Debrusk are getting the same AAV as him and Lindholm is getting 2M more. So there's that

Yea good point... Vinny was a huge win, love Vinny.

in 10 years is why no one wants to play for the Rangers.

I'm guessing Drury has Lafreniere, K'Andre, and Igor contract extensions in the back of his mind as well. Yeah they've created some cap space for now, but that there are some significant future expenses incoming.

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I'm guessing Drury has Lafreniere, K'Andre, and Igor contract extensions in the back of his mind as well. Yeah they've created some cap space for now, but that there are some significant future expenses incoming.

Hopefully not the back of his mind. They should not give out any contracts that hurt their ability to bring those guys back.

I wouldn't give Miller much. He's starting to look like a perpetual tease - physically gifted but never can put it all together

He offers nothing on offense and is bound to break down sooner rather than later

Yeah that's probably a captain obvious statement on my part. But I could see them prioritizing depth this offseason, cap clearing that's already in progress, and keep dry powder for deadline deals. Knowing that they have to be smart committing future cap space

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Yeah that's probably a captain obvious statement on my part. But I could see them prioritizing depth this offseason, cap clearing that's already in progress, and keep dry powder for deadline deals. Knowing that they have to be smart committing future cap space

Just an FYI: the Rangers have one first round pick in 2025 and don't pick again until the fifth round, where they have two picks....so yeah.

guys in hockey.

Elliotte Friedman
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Matt Grzelcyk 1 x $2.75M Pittsburgh

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Not sure yet how this is going to look contract-wise, but hearing Sean Walker to Carolina

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David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
As mentioned on @NHLNetwork
a few seconds ago, despite some back-and-forth, Joel Edmundson has indeed agreed to a deal with the LA Kings.

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I remember that draft like it was yesterday.

I wanted MTL to take Tkachuk and thought they made a mistake if not Tkachuk by not taking Zadina.

Turned out they made a mistake, but Zadina would have been worse, lol.

hey Jay lets get Boyle out of retirement and bring back Wood to get the 2017-18 band back together again!

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hey Jay lets get Boyle out of retirement and bring back Wood to get the 2017-18 band back together again!

Ugh, this move is my least favorite of the offseason so far.

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Oh and Tarasenko

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In comment 16546664 Stu11 said: Quote: hey Jay lets get Boyle out of retirement and bring back Wood to get the 2017-18 band back together again! Ugh, this move is my least favorite of the offseason so far.

He actually was a nice back 6 contributor for Carolina this year.

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
Multiple teams are in the mix for Jeff Skinner, including the Oilers as I previously mentioned. No deal/decision yet.

give me Sean Walker, Tarasenko, Henrique, trade trouba, put some term on Schneider, and bridge Lindgren to UFA.

Your team is actually better here, and you haven't done a damned thing to screw up the intermediate term cap.

Stefen Rosner
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Rumblings about Anthony Duclair and #Isles.

Nothing to confirm yet.

D Brendan Smith signs a 1 year deal with Dallas. Thank god he's not returning to NJ.

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give me Sean Walker, Tarasenko, Henrique, trade trouba, put some term on Schneider, and bridge Lindgren to UFA. Your team is actually better here, and you haven't done a damned thing to screw up the intermediate term cap.

Listen Trouba isn't an $8M a year guy but if you think this team gets better by removing him and adding Zac Jones.... you are out of your mind. This team lost a ton of grit (assuming Trouba goes) and a little bit of skill. Usually you lose one or the other, not both! I don't see how any could possibly think NYR got better?

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Goodrow
Gustaffson
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Cap space

After NYR sign Igor, Laf, Miller after next year they are going to be in perpetual cap hell for the next 6-8 years.

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He was a goner. We're loaded with depth on D now

Reilly Smith to NYR from Pittsburgh.

Happy now!? :)

Elliotte Friedman
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Sounds like Pittsburgh is trading Reilly Smith to the Rangers

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Reilly Smith to NYR from Pittsburgh. Happy now!? :)

lol, here comes the Stanley Cup now. Yikes that really was our big move. I am scared.

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He actually was a nice back 6 contributor for Carolina this year.

Yes he was but there is a lot of money tied into the bottom 6 between him and Palat.

but I don't love this contract.

Darren Dreger
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Confirming Chandler Stephenson agrees to a 7 year deal with Seattle. $6.25 aav.

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In comment 16546685 Jay on the Island said: Quote: D Brendan Smith signs a 1 year deal with Dallas. Thank god he's not returning to NJ. He was a goner. We're loaded with depth on D now

I know but I am just thrilled that there is officially no way that he is returning.

4 years for Duclair to NYI

Elliotte Friedman
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Erik Gustafsson 2 x $2M Detroit

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In comment 16546695 Kyle in NY said: Quote: Reilly Smith to NYR from Pittsburgh. Happy now!? :) lol, here comes the Stanley Cup now. Yikes that really was our big move. I am scared.

He's a good player, one year left on his deal so it's not a huge commitment, I'm not really sure what you're looking for

Smith trade (depending on which picks as long as its not a 1st) is a good add for NYR.

He's a top 6 forward on most teams. Not sure where NYR will play him.

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3.5M AAV

does seem to make some pretty good sense for where the Rangers are at. Still leaves flexibility to add at the deadline and doesn't compromise future roster construction.

That is why I am not enthusiastic about it. This is the same exact move as bringing in Wheeler this year. How did that work out?

gross

HockeyStatMiner
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If there's no salary retained, Smith is pretty much all #NYR's spending money (for the moment). Any ballpark figures for Lindgren & Schneider and it'll take them just under $88m.

Obviously the Trouba situation and/or other unrelated trades can/will change that.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Pittsburgh is retaining 25 per cent of Reilly Smith's salary

I don't like the Smith trade. I would have waited until the deadline rather than trade for an over 30, probably declining player.

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I don't like the Smith trade. I would have waited until the deadline rather than trade for an over 30, probably declining player.

Who cares if he's declining, he's in the last year of his deal, and the 2nd round pick I believe is from 2027. They are a better team with him than without him (assuming no other roster changes).

The Rangers basically used Goodrow's money on Smith. - Huge upgrade and I don't hate Goodrow.

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In comment 16546701 pjcas18 said: Quote: 4 years for Duclair to NYI 3.5M AAV

Good deal. Brings needed speed and finish, played for Roy in junior.

Duke for 3.5 and Reilly for 1.5 are good adds, especially given the doomed overpays we are seeing today (and every July 1)

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COREY'S CONFIRMED ☑️

The #Oilers have re-signed forward Corey Perry to a one-year, $1.4 million contract.

#LetsGoOilers

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The #LeafsForever have signed Oliver Ekman-Larsson to a four-year, $3.5 million deal.

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The Dallas Stars have re-signed defenceman Nils Lundkvist to a one-year, $1.25 million contract.

going to get under the cap?

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In comment 16546718 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: I don't like the Smith trade. I would have waited until the deadline rather than trade for an over 30, probably declining player. Who cares if he's declining, he's in the last year of his deal, and the 2nd round pick I believe is from 2027. They are a better team with him than without him (assuming no other roster changes). The Rangers basically used Goodrow's money on Smith. - Huge upgrade and I don't hate Goodrow.

Because of alternative uses at the deadline for that cap space and draft pick.

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The Montreal Canadiens announced they've signed Juraj Slafkovsky to an 8-year deal.

Carries a $7.6M AAV and only kicks in as of 2025-2026.
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Backstrom on LTIR
Buy out Oshie

In comment 16546772 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 16546729 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 16546718 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: I don't like the Smith trade. I would have waited until the deadline rather than trade for an over 30, probably declining player. Who cares if he's declining, he's in the last year of his deal, and the 2nd round pick I believe is from 2027. They are a better team with him than without him (assuming no other roster changes). The Rangers basically used Goodrow's money on Smith. - Huge upgrade and I don't hate Goodrow. Because of alternative uses at the deadline for that cap space and draft pick.

Why risk it? So much can change between now and the deadline it seems very risky to eschew adding a player who can help you all season in hopes you get to the deadline in a condition to add what you need.

Hopefully Drury learns a lesson from this past deadline.

The Rangers should have used LTIR to their advantage to add at the deadline. I wonder if ownership prevented him.

Drury has learned anything. I could not possibly be more down on him... He hasn't done three good things combined in his 3+ years.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Vincent Desharnais 2 x $2M Vancouver

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In comment 16546772 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: In comment 16546729 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 16546718 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: I don't like the Smith trade. I would have waited until the deadline rather than trade for an over 30, probably declining player. Who cares if he's declining, he's in the last year of his deal, and the 2nd round pick I believe is from 2027. They are a better team with him than without him (assuming no other roster changes). The Rangers basically used Goodrow's money on Smith. - Huge upgrade and I don't hate Goodrow. Because of alternative uses at the deadline for that cap space and draft pick. Why risk it? So much can change between now and the deadline it seems very risky to eschew adding a player who can help you all season in hopes you get to the deadline in a condition to add what you need. Hopefully Drury learns a lesson from this past deadline. The Rangers should have used LTIR to their advantage to add at the deadline. I wonder if ownership prevented him.

You risk it because you can get a better player with more confidence in how the player is going to perform over the next couple months. Smith is at the age where guys fall off a cliff.

I would have personally gunned harder for Chychrun. Lindgren and a pick wouldn't have gotten it done?

a 2027 2nd round pick and using $3.5M of cap room impacts in almost any meaningful way what the Rangers can do at the 2025 deadline.

And I think Reilly helps them get to the deadline more than any roster player does. Drury has been pretty mid as a GM, but this is not a move I'd be critical of him about.

I like Chychrun, don't know if a deal was there, but also don't think this move completely negated that potential one - because as you say would have required a roster player going the other way - such as Lindgren.

would have really liked to get marchessault but the price/age difference may not have been worth it. 5.5m in nash is at least 6m in ny, 5 years older.

if pinto is really available something around jgp + 1 or 2 RFAs + first for pinto would be a nice cherry on top. same structure could possibly do ehlers too but that would be tighter against cap.

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would have really liked to get marchessault but the price/age difference may not have been worth it. 5.5m in nash is at least 6m in ny, 5 years older. if pinto is really available something around jgp + 1 or 2 RFAs + first for pinto would be a nice cherry on top. same structure could possibly do ehlers too but that would be tighter against cap.

Seems relevant to mention today, but I read teams in cities with high taxes (like NY) were going to start leveraging deferred comp more than they previously have been to bridge the gap in real $$$ between cities in NY (for example) and places like NSH or CAR (for example).

It had always been allowed per CBA and I don't believe it changes the cap hit, but it can help offset (and then some) tax hits of metropolitan cities.

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In comment 16546811 Eric on Li said: Quote: would have really liked to get marchessault but the price/age difference may not have been worth it. 5.5m in nash is at least 6m in ny, 5 years older. if pinto is really available something around jgp + 1 or 2 RFAs + first for pinto would be a nice cherry on top. same structure could possibly do ehlers too but that would be tighter against cap. Seems relevant to mention today, but I read teams in cities with high taxes (like NY) were going to start leveraging deferred comp more than they previously have been to bridge the gap in real $$$ between cities in NY (for example) and places like NSH or CAR (for example). It had always been allowed per CBA and I don't believe it changes the cap hit, but it can help offset (and then some) tax hits of metropolitan cities.

the other thing that could work is day 1 signing bonus $. believe that would tax'ed at whatever the current residency is, but that only works if the player is coming from a lower tax place to start with.

$5M AAV? Is this a joke? SJS really needs to get to the salary floor I guess.



Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Alexander Wennberg 2 x $5M San Jose

does Quenneville become the most targeted HC or is he a pariah, which should he be?

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
NHL announces that (as of July 10), Joel Quenneville, Stan Bowman and Al MacIsaac are eligible to seek employment in the NHL.

They had been suspended because of their “inadequate response upon being informed in 2010 of allegations that Blackhawks’ Player, Kyle Beach, had been assaulted by the Club’s video coach.”

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official.

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
Hurricanes make Sean Walker's 5-year, $18M deal official.

non-update on Trouba.

Mollie Walker
@MollieeWalkerr
#NYR president and GM Chris Drury full quote on Jacob Trouba situation:

"Jacob plays hard every night, provides a lot of leadership for us. Jacob knows what I think of him as a person and a player and I'm going to keep any private conversations I have with him or his agent.

Mollie Walker
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#NYR president and GM Chris Drury full quote on Jacob Trouba situation:

"Jacob plays hard every night, provides a lot of leadership for us. Jacob knows what I think of him as a person and a player and I'm going to keep any private conversations I have with him or his agent...


Mollie Walker
@MollieeWalkerr
keep it private. We're always looking to move the team forward and be the best team we can possibly be. I'm not going to go through player by player, who is going to be here, who is not going to be here. We're just trying to do the best we can in the offseason... (2/3)

Mollie Walker
@MollieeWalkerr
and put our best foot forward come training camp." (3/3)

In comment 16546808 pjcas18 said:

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a 2027 2nd round pick and using $3.5M of cap room impacts in almost any meaningful way what the Rangers can do at the 2025 deadline. And I think Reilly helps them get to the deadline more than any roster player does. Drury has been pretty mid as a GM, but this is not a move I'd be critical of him about. I like Chychrun, don't know if a deal was there, but also don't think this move completely negated that potential one - because as you say would have required a roster player going the other way - such as Lindgren.

Yeah, this isn't a burn the house down move. But the margin between Cup winner and failure is so small. Everything's overanalyzed.

I think they needed to make a bigger change at D than at 1RW, frankly.

In comment 16546811 Eric on Li said:

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if pinto is really available something around jgp + 1 or 2 RFAs + first for pinto would be a nice cherry on top. same structure could possibly do ehlers too but that would be tighter against cap.

I don't get the Pinto love among the fan base, if he were from Ontario nobody would be clamoring for him. Other than goal scoring, which is a huge premium I admit, jgp is a better player. The wrist injury/nerve damage has ruined his shot, but he's still very good at everything else. I'd rather move Lee.

to CAR.

Pesce and Skjei replaced by Ghost and Walker, maybe not quite as good but cost less and not too much of a drop off.

In comment 16546832 Diversify yo bonds said:

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In comment 16546811 Eric on Li said: Quote: if pinto is really available something around jgp + 1 or 2 RFAs + first for pinto would be a nice cherry on top. same structure could possibly do ehlers too but that would be tighter against cap. I don't get the Pinto love among the fan base, if he were from Ontario nobody would be clamoring for him. Other than goal scoring, which is a huge premium I admit, jgp is a better player. The wrist injury/nerve damage has ruined his shot, but he's still very good at everything else. I'd rather move Lee.

i think it's more that he's 23 years old than the long island thing. He was on a 20g/50 point pace last year carrying a +9 and he's over 50% on faceoffs for his career - with really good g/60's both ways.

i cant say ive seen him play more than a dozen times or have the most informed opinion of him in all zones but a lot less goals occurred with him on ice compared to ott's other top TOI forwards.

i dont think it's just the shooting w/ jgp either, the full 200 regressed (though tbf everyone's full 200 regressed w/ lane). if pinto is a younger better version of jgp i think that's worth a first round pick.

In comment 16546841 pjcas18 said:

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to CAR. Pesce and Skjei replaced by Ghost and Walker, maybe not quite as good but cost less and not too much of a drop off.

As much as I'd like to bury them they've done this multiple times in the Rod era, and the guys they plug in have career seasons.

In comment 16546846 Diversify yo bonds said:

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In comment 16546841 pjcas18 said: Quote: to CAR. Pesce and Skjei replaced by Ghost and Walker, maybe not quite as good but cost less and not too much of a drop off. As much as I'd like to bury them they've done this multiple times in the Rod era, and the guys they plug in have career seasons.

Yeah, I can't stand them, but I think they'll be good again.

In comment 16546845 Eric on Li said:

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i dont think it's just the shooting w/ jgp either, the full 200 regressed (though tbf everyone's full 200 regressed w/ lane). if pinto is a younger better version of jgp i think that's worth a first round pick.

In theory yes, acquiring rfa aged guys would be a huge coup. Totally worth moving picks for. I just don't see it with Pinto. I am admittedly a skating nazi, Pinto is a bottom quartile skater (jgp 81st btw) I'll have to look closer at jgp regression, though currently I don't have access to the good fancy stats. The fact the pk went from top5 for years to shit show is damning.

In comment 16546862 Diversify yo bonds said:

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In theory yes, acquiring rfa aged guys would be a huge coup. Totally worth moving picks for. I just don't see it with Pinto. I am admittedly a skating nazi, Pinto is a bottom quartile skater (jgp 81st btw) I'll have to look closer at jgp regression, though currently I don't have access to the good fancy stats. The fact the pk went from top5 for years to shit show is damning.

where do you get skater tracking info? im with you on speed >>> most everything.

my go to for "fancy stats" is the athletic player cards, i dont think they are the end all be all but i think they are generally directionally correct.

In comment 16546827 pjcas18 said:

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non-update on Trouba. Mollie Walker @MollieeWalkerr #NYR president and GM Chris Drury full quote on Jacob Trouba situation: "Jacob plays hard every night, provides a lot of leadership for us. Jacob knows what I think of him as a person and a player and I'm going to keep any private conversations I have with him or his agent. Mollie Walker @MollieeWalkerr · 1m #NYR president and GM Chris Drury full quote on Jacob Trouba situation: "Jacob plays hard every night, provides a lot of leadership for us. Jacob knows what I think of him as a person and a player and I'm going to keep any private conversations I have with him or his agent... Mollie Walker @MollieeWalkerr keep it private. We're always looking to move the team forward and be the best team we can possibly be. I'm not going to go through player by player, who is going to be here, who is not going to be here. We're just trying to do the best we can in the offseason... (2/3) Mollie Walker @MollieeWalkerr and put our best foot forward come training camp." (3/3)

Another circus, Drury is an absolute joke as a GM

Necas and sounds like Tarasenko working to say in FLA.

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
Vlad Tarasenko would like to stay in Florida, but a deal isn't close yet. Other teams continue to express interest.

In comment 16546875 TeamSchlitz1 said:

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Another circus, Drury is an absolute joke as a GM

They fired Davidson and Gordon for this?

for islanders no matter what. They are 1m under the cap right now but with 21/23 players. they tendered 3 RFA F's (wahlstrom, holmstrom, iskahov) but im pretty sure there's no way to afford more than 1 unless they somehow lose some salary.

Pageau buyout saves 2.75m this year, 2.25m next year, then costs an extra +1.25m in each of the 2 years after that. Not terrible. though im sure their preference is to use his $5m slot as a trade chip along with picks and maybe 1 of the RFA forwards.

Believe any of their RFA's getting an ARB award would trigger a buyout window later this summer, so they have time. With Horvat, Nelson, Maclean, Czikas, plus Barzal, JGP is a luxury it seems they may have been willing to sacrifice for Duclair.

Or maybe they will play the season with 22 active roster.

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In comment 16546875 TeamSchlitz1 said: Quote: Another circus, Drury is an absolute joke as a GM They fired Davidson and Gordon for this?

Wild wild stuff to pull the plug that quickly for A non proven commodity.. hope I’m wrong but this guy stinks!

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Jeff Skinner 1 x $3M Edmonton

Arthur Staple wrote that Trouba and his agent, Kurt Overhardt, didn't submit his list prior to today, which seems to suggest that Drury assumed he would accept a trade to Detroit because it's Trouba's home and his boyhood team. It was then leaked to Uncle Larry to put pressure on them.

And then Trouba got hold of it and was caught off-guard and didn't submit his list until today, which presumably had Detroit on it.




Vince Mercogliano wrote the following:

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"Trouba has been a central figure in establishing an all-for-one, selfless culture the last few seasons, while Goodrow was one of the team's most respected veterans. There's a perception among teammates that their situations could have been handled with more openness and dignity, according to one source, with those feelings extending to other team employees who have been let go in recent years. At the top of that list is longtime trainer Jim Ramsay, who was suddenly fired last year. He was not acknowledged upon his return to Madison Square Garden with the Montreal Canadians on Feb. 15, which apparently didn't sit well with a number of players, either."



Drury has a bit of a rep of being...cut-throat? Backstabbing? Whatever you want to call it. From the moment he got the job and Gorton and JD were fired, through the Kravtsov stuff, the Lias Andersson reported stuff, the Jim Ramsay stuff, the Goodrow stuff, and now, the Trouba stuff.

If that's true, it's pretty obviously not how you handle it. I advocate for the cut throat approach, but you can do it while not being forthcoming and honest.

In comment 16546966 BrettNYG10 said:

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If that's true, it's pretty obviously not how you handle it. I advocate for the cut throat approach, but you can do it while not being forthcoming and honest.

*While being forthcoming and honest