are with DJ's slow development but I can easily see why the front office liked him so much. Very similar in personality to Eli and teammates really seem to like him as a man. While not overly optimistic, I am really rooting hard for him to take the next step up in his development this year. He certainly puts in the work. How can you not root for this guy?
For him and the team. As noted, his Eli-like demeanor and leadership is absolutely part of the reason the team likes him.
Before we played AZ last year, an ex-Cards TE talked about how critical off-the-field things like that are (especially with the OL who he said should be sharing rooms and finishing each others sentences).
you guys lap up this offseason kumbaya stuff like it means something. I doubt any of it is going to help Daniel read defenses, progress past his first read, find the open receiver and not fling the ball into the dirt or over his head.
Jones is a qb out of central casting until he gets on the field during a game and then the casting is "Nightmare on Elm Street" half the time
Wasn't going to start another thread for this - but my wife and 6 month son landed back in Charlotte from NJ on Monday and we were waiting for our bags, and we saw DJ. I went up to him and said hello and my wife asked if he would take a pic with our son Brooks. He said absolutely and was super nice about it. Not sure how to upload a photo on here otherwise I would. But it was a great memory - will have to get it framed for the little guy!
I would imagine a lot of things seem debatable to you, but it's true: NO ONE IS ROOTING AGAINST DANIEL JONES.
If anything, his most outspoken critics are rooting hardest for him to improve. His supporters are the ones who seem satisfied with what he is already. That's not rooting, it's enabling.
I would imagine a lot of things seem debatable to you, but it's true: NO ONE IS ROOTING AGAINST DANIEL JONES.
If anything, his most outspoken critics are rooting hardest for him to improve. His supporters are the ones who seem satisfied with what he is already. That's not rooting, it's enabling.
Drew Lock
Tommy DeVito
Darius Slayton
Malik Nabers
Wan’Dale Robinson
Jalin Hyatt
Bryce Ford-Wheaton
Dennis Houston
Daniel Bellinger
Theo Johnson
Lawrence Cager
Dante Miller
you guys lap up this offseason kumbaya stuff like it means something. I doubt any of it is going to help Daniel read defenses, progress past his first read, find the open receiver and not fling the ball into the dirt or over his head.
Jones is a qb out of central casting until he gets on the field during a game and then the casting is "Nightmare on Elm Street" half the time
Absurdly immature, Rory. Thinking Daniel Jones isn't a very good QB, and rooting against him are two separate things. Many believe the first. I don't think I have seen anyone on this board doing the latter.
These are the types of emotional, divisive posts that make this board insufferable.
Wasn't going to start another thread for this - but my wife and 6 month son landed back in Charlotte from NJ on Monday and we were waiting for our bags, and we saw DJ. I went up to him and said hello and my wife asked if he would take a pic with our son Brooks. He said absolutely and was super nice about it. Not sure how to upload a photo on here otherwise I would. But it was a great memory - will have to get it framed for the little guy!
Very cool story, Ryan. I don't know how old Brooks is, but hopefully old enough to cherish that memory.
Wasn't going to start another thread for this - but my wife and 6 month son landed back in Charlotte from NJ on Monday and we were waiting for our bags, and we saw DJ. I went up to him and said hello and my wife asked if he would take a pic with our son Brooks. He said absolutely and was super nice about it. Not sure how to upload a photo on here otherwise I would. But it was a great memory - will have to get it framed for the little guy!
Very cool story, Ryan. I don't know how old Brooks is, but hopefully old enough to cherish that memory.
If Brooks was old enough to know who DJ was, he wouldn't have wanted a picture with him :) It says he's 6 months old, btw
Okay. I probably speak for 99.9% of BBI when I say no one is rooting against Jones, but there’s this belief among some that’s there this behemoth section of BBI rooting for him to fail. Spoiler alert…there isn’t. I hope he lights it up this fall and I look like a fool.
They are some of the most important players on the team right now, and DJ really needs to bond with them as well as his receivers.
While I agree with you about the need for O-line chemistry, I'm not sure how a glorified 7 on 7 passing camp would help in that area. To me, the way to increase O-line chemistry to for them to practice against competition (even if it is your own guys), not air
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#Giants players at Daniel Jones’ QB/WR/TE/RB workout retreat to Lake Norman, N.C. and Charlotte area:
Jones
Drew Lock
Tommy DeVito
Darius Slayton
Malik Nabers
Wan’Dale Robinson
Jalin Hyatt
Bryce Ford-Wheaton
Dennis Houston
Daniel Bellinger
Theo Johnson
Lawrence Cager
Dante Miller
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
#Giants players at Daniel Jones’ QB/WR/TE/RB workout retreat to Lake Norman, N.C. and Charlotte area:
Jones
Drew Lock
Tommy DeVito
Darius Slayton
Malik Nabers
Wan’Dale Robinson
Jalin Hyatt
Bryce Ford-Wheaton
Dennis Houston
Daniel Bellinger
Theo Johnson
Lawrence Cager
Dante Miller
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
#Giants players at Daniel Jones’ QB/WR/TE/RB workout retreat to Lake Norman, N.C. and Charlotte area:
Jones
Drew Lock
Tommy DeVitoj
Darius Slayton
Malik Nabers
Wan’Dale Robinson
Jalin Hyatt
Bryce Ford-Wheaton
Dennis Houston
Daniel Bellinger
Theo Johnson
Lawrence Cager
Dante Miller
That’s a good showing. Most of the receivers. Would have liked a couple RB’s.
I would imagine a lot of things seem debatable to you, but it's true: NO ONE IS ROOTING AGAINST DANIEL JONES.
If anything, his most outspoken critics are rooting hardest for him to improve. His supporters are the ones who seem satisfied with what he is already. That's not rooting, it's enabling.
I want to burn the world down right now! This is the biggest accountability dodge I've ever read. You have never once saw any of the "outspoken critics" even entertain the possibility that DJ CAN improve, let alone root for him to do so! You want him gone. Period. Now that the truth of the current situation is settling in, maybe you are dialing that back a bit. I welcome that. But let's not get it twisted, bro bro. Y'all were calling for his head.
Wasn't going to start another thread for this - but my wife and 6 month son landed back in Charlotte from NJ on Monday and we were waiting for our bags, and we saw DJ. I went up to him and said hello and my wife asked if he would take a pic with our son Brooks. He said absolutely and was super nice about it. Not sure how to upload a photo on here otherwise I would. But it was a great memory - will have to get it framed for the little guy!
Very cool story, Ryan. I don't know how old Brooks is, but hopefully old enough to cherish that memory.
If Brooks was old enough to know who DJ was, he wouldn't have wanted a picture with him :) It says he's 6 months old, btw
Oh yeah, it does. I obviously missed it. Well maybe it's best he doesn't remember it?
It’s not a big deal, but interesting the 4th QB isn’t there.
You really sticking by the line that these people who post Jones Sucks every chance they get are rooting for him? There is legitimate criticism and there is incomprehensible hated for the only QB who has taken the team and to the playoffs and won a road playoff game since Eli and Eli only did it twice in a likely hall of fame career. In fact, Eli only won a playoff game twice in his career.
Don't strain credulity claiming there aren't a lot of people actively rooting against Danial Jones because they want to be right.
You really sticking by the line that these people who post Jones Sucks every chance they get are rooting for him? There is legitimate criticism and there is incomprehensible hated for the only QB who has taken the team and to the playoffs and won a road playoff game since Eli and Eli only did it twice in a likely hall of fame career. In fact, Eli only won a playoff game twice in his career.
Don't strain credulity claiming there aren't a lot of people actively rooting against Danial Jones because they want to be right.
Good lord, I can't believe there are people so in love with a mediocre QB who's seemingly on an endless scholarship cause he looks the part. Great. Every other team in the league hopes the Giants keep Jones for 10, no 15 YEARS. If you can't see what he is at this point, you're never gonna see it. And no one wants him to fail, they're just extremely dubious that he could or would EVER actually BE a top franchise QB.
I'm glad it so well attended. It speaks very well for those players.
I think something like 99.9% of Giants fans are rooting for them...& accounts a helluva lot who don't think he's all that good. And I fall into that camp, but I'm not fucking around when I write that I hope he morphs into an elite QB & tells me-with his on the field performance-& the Terps of the world to STFU. If he becomes an elite QB, that would solve a helluva lot of our problems. I'd love for it to happen. Do I expect it, in his 6th season? No, I don't. But I also hope I'm wrong.
Caring about what other people root for is pretty dumb, but there is a case to be made that rooting for Daniel is rooting for the Giants to stay a bad football team.
Terps, you know my thoughts on Jones-they mirror yours-but I think that graphic of him sucking in '19 is a tad unfair. He showed the makings of a potential good QB that year, TOs aside. & I know TOs aside might be like, 'Other than that Mrs. Kennedy, how was your time in Dallas?' but even Peyton Manning turned the ball over a lot his first year in Indy. & obviously I'm not comparing the two, but I think you get my point.
Ironically, 2019 was his sole year under Shurmur & I think there's merit to the idea that Garrett/Judge coached him up to be much more conservative with the rock, like Judge did in '22. But, as you pointed out, when they took off the training wheels in '23, he was awful. & I know the OL sucked. No one disputes that. But Jones didn't play well regardless & sure AF didn't live up to the coin he's making.
Well, here we go with year six. I'm crossing my fingers Nabers & a better OL means he'll ascend into a top level QB, but do I expect it? No.
I was already raising red flags towards the end of the 2019 season. If you removed the "I really want this guy to be good" glasses, you could see he was backup level at best.
Without diving too deep into the numbers and just using passer rating, Jones's passer rating exceeded that year's league average (90.4) in only 4 of the 12 games he started. Those 4 "good" games were against (defense ranking):
Tampa (29th)
Detroit (26th)
Jets (16th)
Washington (27th)
So he had four above average passing games in 2019; three were against some of the worst defenses in the league. And in these 4 games (his 4 best of the season) he fumbled an astounding 8 times, losing 4 of them.
He stinks, and he stunk in 2019. But he's our guy and we love him.
I would imagine a lot of things seem debatable to you, but it's true: NO ONE IS ROOTING AGAINST DANIEL JONES.
If anything, his most outspoken critics are rooting hardest for him to improve. His supporters are the ones who seem satisfied with what he is already. That's not rooting, it's enabling.
I want to burn the world down right now! This is the biggest accountability dodge I've ever read. You have never once saw any of the "outspoken critics" even entertain the possibility that DJ CAN improve, let alone root for him to do so! You want him gone. Period. Now that the truth of the current situation is settling in, maybe you are dialing that back a bit. I welcome that. But let's not get it twisted, bro bro. Y'all were calling for his head.
Fair rebuttal. I can't remember each '19 Giants game-the team sucked & I watched most games @ a bar with one eye on another game because of how bad we were-but I came out of that season thinking he could possibly be a good QB if he cleaned up his mistakes.
Well, it is now '24 & I think we're long past time to move on, but here we are. Obviously hoping for a miracle that he'll morph into something better, but not expecting it.
I do find some fans feelings about him really bizarre, as if he's some golden child that dare not be criticized or warrant any blame. I think most people who watch football just don't think he's a good QB. & I hate to regurgitate this, but that doesn't mean he's not a hard worker, good dude, or good teammate. It just means he's not a good QB. There are worse fates in life.
Fair rebuttal. I can't remember each '19 Giants game-the team sucked & I watched most games @ a bar with one eye on another game because of how bad we were-but I came out of that season thinking he could possibly be a good QB if he cleaned up his mistakes.
Well, it is now '24 & I think we're long past time to move on, but here we are. Obviously hoping for a miracle that he'll morph into something better, but not expecting it.
I do find some fans feelings about him really bizarre, as if he's some golden child that dare not be criticized or warrant any blame. I think most people who watch football just don't think he's a good QB. & I hate to regurgitate this, but that doesn't mean he's not a hard worker, good dude, or good teammate. It just means he's not a good QB. There are worse fates in life.
Accepting that Jones sucks is to accept some harder truths:
1. The Giants are not competing for anything real in 2024 and probably 2025
2. Schoen and Daboll might not be as good at their jobs as we hope
3. The Giants care too much about things that have nothing to do with winning football games
If the situation were as simple as moving on from Jones, things wouldn't be bleak. Moving on from quarterbacks is as simple and possible as it's been in decades. But accepting that the Giants don't want to move on from Jones is accepting a series of far shittier possibilities regarding this organization. No one wants to do that.
Before we played AZ last year, an ex-Cards TE talked about how critical off-the-field things like that are (especially with the OL who he said should be sharing rooms and finishing each others sentences).
Now hopefully it translates to the field.
I can’t believe this still has to be said: NOBODY IS ROOTING AGAINST HIM.
Jones is a qb out of central casting until he gets on the field during a game and then the casting is "Nightmare on Elm Street" half the time
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I would imagine a lot of things seem debatable to you, but it's true: NO ONE IS ROOTING AGAINST DANIEL JONES.
If anything, his most outspoken critics are rooting hardest for him to improve. His supporters are the ones who seem satisfied with what he is already. That's not rooting, it's enabling.
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I can’t believe this still has to be said: NOBODY IS ROOTING AGAINST HIM.
How is it you can speak for everyone else?
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I would imagine a lot of things seem debatable to you, but it's true: NO ONE IS ROOTING AGAINST DANIEL JONES.
If anything, his most outspoken critics are rooting hardest for him to improve. His supporters are the ones who seem satisfied with what he is already. That's not rooting, it's enabling.
yawn..
Tommy DeVito
Darius Slayton
Malik Nabers
Wan’Dale Robinson
Jalin Hyatt
Bryce Ford-Wheaton
Dennis Houston
Daniel Bellinger
Theo Johnson
Lawrence Cager
Dante Miller
Jones is a qb out of central casting until he gets on the field during a game and then the casting is "Nightmare on Elm Street" half the time
LOL, absolutely this.
Absurdly immature, Rory. Thinking Daniel Jones isn't a very good QB, and rooting against him are two separate things. Many believe the first. I don't think I have seen anyone on this board doing the latter.
These are the types of emotional, divisive posts that make this board insufferable.
Very cool story, Ryan. I don't know how old Brooks is, but hopefully old enough to cherish that memory.
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Wasn't going to start another thread for this - but my wife and 6 month son landed back in Charlotte from NJ on Monday and we were waiting for our bags, and we saw DJ. I went up to him and said hello and my wife asked if he would take a pic with our son Brooks. He said absolutely and was super nice about it. Not sure how to upload a photo on here otherwise I would. But it was a great memory - will have to get it framed for the little guy!
Very cool story, Ryan. I don't know how old Brooks is, but hopefully old enough to cherish that memory.
If Brooks was old enough to know who DJ was, he wouldn't have wanted a picture with him :) It says he's 6 months old, btw
Daniel Jones Giants Performance Chart - ( New Window )
While I agree with you about the need for O-line chemistry, I'm not sure how a glorified 7 on 7 passing camp would help in that area. To me, the way to increase O-line chemistry to for them to practice against competition (even if it is your own guys), not air
@art_stapleton
#Giants players at Daniel Jones’ QB/WR/TE/RB workout retreat to Lake Norman, N.C. and Charlotte area:
Jones
Drew Lock
Tommy DeVito
Darius Slayton
Malik Nabers
Wan’Dale Robinson
Jalin Hyatt
Bryce Ford-Wheaton
Dennis Houston
Daniel Bellinger
Theo Johnson
Lawrence Cager
Dante Miller
@art_stapleton
#Giants players at Daniel Jones’ QB/WR/TE/RB workout retreat to Lake Norman, N.C. and Charlotte area:
Jones
Drew Lock
Tommy DeVito
Darius Slayton
Malik Nabers
Wan’Dale Robinson
Jalin Hyatt
Bryce Ford-Wheaton
Dennis Houston
Daniel Bellinger
Theo Johnson
Lawrence Cager
Dante Miller
@art_stapleton
#Giants players at Daniel Jones’ QB/WR/TE/RB workout retreat to Lake Norman, N.C. and Charlotte area:
Jones
Drew Lock
Tommy DeVitoj
Darius Slayton
Malik Nabers
Wan’Dale Robinson
Jalin Hyatt
Bryce Ford-Wheaton
Dennis Houston
Daniel Bellinger
Theo Johnson
Lawrence Cager
Dante Miller
That’s a good showing. Most of the receivers. Would have liked a couple RB’s.
Thanks for pointing out what two thirds of this board doesn't realize or care about....
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I would imagine a lot of things seem debatable to you, but it's true: NO ONE IS ROOTING AGAINST DANIEL JONES.
If anything, his most outspoken critics are rooting hardest for him to improve. His supporters are the ones who seem satisfied with what he is already. That's not rooting, it's enabling.
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who the hell is at the far right? MONSTER!
Chris Manhertz, I believe.
Seems plausible. 13 players listed in Arts tweet. 14 in the picture.
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Wasn't going to start another thread for this - but my wife and 6 month son landed back in Charlotte from NJ on Monday and we were waiting for our bags, and we saw DJ. I went up to him and said hello and my wife asked if he would take a pic with our son Brooks. He said absolutely and was super nice about it. Not sure how to upload a photo on here otherwise I would. But it was a great memory - will have to get it framed for the little guy!
Very cool story, Ryan. I don't know how old Brooks is, but hopefully old enough to cherish that memory.
If Brooks was old enough to know who DJ was, he wouldn't have wanted a picture with him :) It says he's 6 months old, btw
Oh yeah, it does. I obviously missed it. Well maybe it's best he doesn't remember it?
Don't strain credulity claiming there aren't a lot of people actively rooting against Danial Jones because they want to be right.
Jesus who is the guy on the back row to the left? I should know but I don’t.
Don't strain credulity claiming there aren't a lot of people actively rooting against Danial Jones because they want to be right.
Good lord, I can't believe there are people so in love with a mediocre QB who's seemingly on an endless scholarship cause he looks the part. Great. Every other team in the league hopes the Giants keep Jones for 10, no 15 YEARS. If you can't see what he is at this point, you're never gonna see it. And no one wants him to fail, they're just extremely dubious that he could or would EVER actually BE a top franchise QB.
Ironically, 2019 was his sole year under Shurmur & I think there's merit to the idea that Garrett/Judge coached him up to be much more conservative with the rock, like Judge did in '22. But, as you pointed out, when they took off the training wheels in '23, he was awful. & I know the OL sucked. No one disputes that. But Jones didn't play well regardless & sure AF didn't live up to the coin he's making.
Well, here we go with year six. I'm crossing my fingers Nabers & a better OL means he'll ascend into a top level QB, but do I expect it? No.
Without diving too deep into the numbers and just using passer rating, Jones's passer rating exceeded that year's league average (90.4) in only 4 of the 12 games he started. Those 4 "good" games were against (defense ranking):
Tampa (29th)
Detroit (26th)
Jets (16th)
Washington (27th)
So he had four above average passing games in 2019; three were against some of the worst defenses in the league. And in these 4 games (his 4 best of the season) he fumbled an astounding 8 times, losing 4 of them.
He stinks, and he stunk in 2019. But he's our guy and we love him.
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I would imagine a lot of things seem debatable to you, but it's true: NO ONE IS ROOTING AGAINST DANIEL JONES.
If anything, his most outspoken critics are rooting hardest for him to improve. His supporters are the ones who seem satisfied with what he is already. That's not rooting, it's enabling.
I want to burn the world down right now! This is the biggest accountability dodge I've ever read. You have never once saw any of the "outspoken critics" even entertain the possibility that DJ CAN improve, let alone root for him to do so! You want him gone. Period. Now that the truth of the current situation is settling in, maybe you are dialing that back a bit. I welcome that. But let's not get it twisted, bro bro. Y'all were calling for his head.
haha. this is fkn awesome.
Well, it is now '24 & I think we're long past time to move on, but here we are. Obviously hoping for a miracle that he'll morph into something better, but not expecting it.
I do find some fans feelings about him really bizarre, as if he's some golden child that dare not be criticized or warrant any blame. I think most people who watch football just don't think he's a good QB. & I hate to regurgitate this, but that doesn't mean he's not a hard worker, good dude, or good teammate. It just means he's not a good QB. There are worse fates in life.
Well, it is now '24 & I think we're long past time to move on, but here we are. Obviously hoping for a miracle that he'll morph into something better, but not expecting it.
I do find some fans feelings about him really bizarre, as if he's some golden child that dare not be criticized or warrant any blame. I think most people who watch football just don't think he's a good QB. & I hate to regurgitate this, but that doesn't mean he's not a hard worker, good dude, or good teammate. It just means he's not a good QB. There are worse fates in life.
Accepting that Jones sucks is to accept some harder truths:
1. The Giants are not competing for anything real in 2024 and probably 2025
2. Schoen and Daboll might not be as good at their jobs as we hope
3. The Giants care too much about things that have nothing to do with winning football games
If the situation were as simple as moving on from Jones, things wouldn't be bleak. Moving on from quarterbacks is as simple and possible as it's been in decades. But accepting that the Giants don't want to move on from Jones is accepting a series of far shittier possibilities regarding this organization. No one wants to do that.