Caring about what other people root for is pretty dumb, but there is a case to be made that rooting for Daniel is rooting for the Giants to stay a bad football team.
Do you put this much time and effort into your job?
Let me rephrase the question..
Does your employer know they are paying you to do nothing all day but to feed your obsession here on BBI?
The Darren Waller example is almost too perfect to illustrate the strangeness with Jones sensitivity.
I didn't want Waller back. I thought he was too expensive, not very durable, and unlikely ever to be a good return on investment. I don't hate Waller. I just didn't want him to come back. If he had, I would have been disappointed. When the season started I would root for him to do well if he was a Giant.
Caring about what other people root for is pretty dumb, but there is a case to be made that rooting for Daniel is rooting for the Giants to stay a bad football team.
Do you put this much time and effort into your job?
Let me rephrase the question..
Does your employer know they are paying you to do nothing all day but to feed your obsession here on BBI?
has a ton invested in Jones failure so there is no doubt in my mind he is rooting against him...
I haven't made any bets one way or the other so I have nothing invested.
I am rooting for the Giants to become a decent football team, and I'm pretty confident Jones can't be a good NFL QB so I'm rooting for him to choose to retire for no reason. This organization is too stupid to handle the issue themselves.
Caring about what other people root for is pretty dumb, but there is a case to be made that rooting for Daniel is rooting for the Giants to stay a bad football team.
Do you put this much time and effort into your job?
Let me rephrase the question..
Does your employer know they are paying you to do nothing all day but to feed your obsession here on BBI?
What a dumbass post. Go tell your employer about your habits during work first.
you guys lap up this offseason kumbaya stuff like it means something. I doubt any of it is going to help Daniel read defenses, progress past his first read, find the open receiver and not fling the ball into the dirt or over his head.
Jones is a qb out of central casting until he gets on the field during a game and then the casting is "Nightmare on Elm Street" half the time
Seasons would be unprecedented in the modern NFL. Drew Brees was a complete outlier as a late starter and he was playing really good football in his fourth season.
And what if Jones is good in 2024? So what? He improved in 2022 and that led to the train wreck of his 2023 season. A decent 2024 will mean nothing for 2025.
I think something like 99.9% of Giants fans are rooting for them...& accounts a helluva lot who don't think he's all that good. And I fall into that camp, but I'm not fucking around when I write that I hope he morphs into an elite QB & tells me-with his on the field performance-& the Terps of the world to STFU. If he becomes an elite QB, that would solve a helluva lot of our problems. I'd love for it to happen. Do I expect it, in his 6th season? No, I don't. But I also hope I'm wrong.
No, several had made the argument that it is better for the team if DJ fails and so they are rooting for it
Some are on this thread.
One started a thread on the topic promoting the idea.
This is a thread about some good things that DJ is doing. Some folks have come in here to shit on Jones and also to shit on people that are supporting him.
I have zero problem rooting against Daniel Jones having a middling season that provides him more plausible deniability. If that makes me an asshole, it makes me a smart asshole.
I have zero problem rooting against Daniel Jones having a middling season that provides him more plausible deniability. If that makes me an asshole, it makes me a smart asshole.
Not that it matters what anybody roots for, but in order, these would be the two best scenarios for me:
1) Jones flips a switch and suddenly becomes an upper tier NFL QB (4000 yards, 25-30 TDs, 7.5 Y/A)
2) Jones completely flops and the Giants have no other choice but to move on.
Anything between those two options is purgatory, because evidence suggests the Giants will look for reasons to keep him rather than vice versa.
bunch of young players, so good to see them get together and work on establishing more chemistry.
Probably some who root against Jones having success. Most of those were the same one pushing to draft Willis at pick 5 or 7.
That's an unfair criticism. Willis has only played in the NFL for 2 years. Everyone knows that you have to wait until year 6 or 7 to wait for a breakout to truly be able to evaluate a QB.
I believe every member of this site wants Daniel Jones to have an outstanding season, and for the Giants to compete for a championship. That's what I want.
What I don't want is another season that produces more questions than answers, and the experiment to drag on.
I'll be shocked if Jones magically develops into a quarterback that puts the Giants in contention for a championship. The same level of shock I'd feel if Azeez Ojulari develops into an All Pro pass rusher. I think those odds are about the same.
This isn't a particularly difficult or exotic view point to understand.
it being unfair Blue. Pretty easy to see he was not a top 10 QB pick imv. I don't like how the Giants have handled the QB situation the last two years but good to see they didn't make that mistake with pick 5 or 7.
it being unfair Blue. Pretty easy to see he was not a top 10 QB pick imv. I don't like how the Giants have handled the QB situation the last two years but good to see they didn't make that mistake with pick 5 or 7.
It was a joke about how lots of people on here are very comfortable calling every other QB bad after 2 years, but Jones needs nearly a decade as an unquestioned starter to fairly evaluate him.
Malik Willis sucks, and would have been a mistake to draft at 5 or 7. Similarly, Daniel Jones sucks and it was a mistake to draft him at 6. Both can be (and are) true
Accepting that Jones sucks is to accept some harder truths:
3. The Giants care too much about things that have nothing to do with winning football games
This point needs to be repeated, and often. Although I wouldn't use "too much" about the non-winning things the Giants care about, I'd say they care most about making money for the franchise. And you know what? The anxiety about Jones is going to make a ton of money for the Giants. Just look how many on BBI post about it, and think about how many fans will watch the games, go to the games, buy merchandise, etc.
Jones is a money-maker, and not because he's a good QB. Is he the best money-maker possible? Probably not, but he's not bad for business.
People already changed the tone of thread by calling out what others should and should not be rooting for.
That is not what happened.
No, that's literally what happened. One of BBI's resident twerps offered that up fives posts into thread. Which turned the direction of the conversation.
If the Giants built the offense around Parris Campbell and gave him $160M we'd all want them to acknowledge the error and move on. For some reason that doesn't apply to young Daniel.
I am not rooting for Daniel Jones. I am rooting for the Giants. I am rooting for them to wake up from this nightmare and do better.
If the Giants built the offense around Parris Campbell and gave him $160M we'd all want them to acknowledge the error and move on. For some reason that doesn't apply to young Daniel.
I am not rooting for Daniel Jones. I am rooting for the Giants. I am rooting for them to wake up from this nightmare and do better.
If it didn’t didn’t apply to “young Daniel” then they wouldn’t have tried to get Maye
"but there is a case to be made that rooting for Daniel is rooting for the Giants to stay a bad football team."
Why not say that you are rooting for Jones to play badly so that the Giants acquire a new QB?
There is no rationale for a Giants fan to celebrate Jones playing poorly. There is winning and losing. There is no tomorrow, there is today.
If Jones plays well and the Giants win that is the best outcome.
Your disdain for Jones clouds your judgment and is irrational. If the Giants win with Jones, that is all a fan can hope for.
Nobody believes that Jones is a great QB. But if he can be a winning QB that would be great.
He has already demonstrated that he can take a team to the playoffs and win a playoff game. If he can do that and more I would be satisfied.
I cannot imagine how badly you would feel if the Giants were to win the Super Bowl with Jones.
Even if they went after Maye, they failed to get him
About as tired as I am of the multiple DJ threads with the same people literally saying the exact same things
Of which you are under no obligation to participate.
You're contribution to this site resembles a broken chat bot. You're bordering on Lines of Scrimmage Great Destruction territory.
We could be debating the color of the turf and odds are your response would be "But the Giants considered trading for Maye."
Many of us don't find a compelling difference between Daniel Jones, and any other mediocre-to-bad player that's passed through the halls over the last decade.
I didn't see the uproar and fandom litmus tests applied to Nate Solder, Kenny Golladay, and Darren Waller. All guys who had more glimpses of quality play before ultimately sucking after signing a big deal with the Giants.
Why is it OK to be happy those guys are gone and not want Daniel Jones gone?
About as tired as I am of the multiple DJ threads with the same people literally saying the exact same things
Of which you are under no obligation to participate.
You're contribution to this site resembles a broken chat bot. You're bordering on Lines of Scrimmage Great Destruction territory.
We could be debating the color of the turf and odds are your response would be "But the Giants considered trading for Maye."
Many of us don't find a compelling difference between Daniel Jones, and any other mediocre-to-bad player that's passed through the halls over the last decade.
I didn't see the uproar and fandom litmus tests applied to Nate Solder, Kenny Golladay, and Darren Waller. All guys who had more glimpses of quality play before ultimately sucking after signing a big deal with the Giants.
Why is it OK to be happy those guys are gone and not want Daniel Jones gone?
Nor are you under any obligation to respond to my posts either
If you don’t like what I have to say don’t respond as opposed to consistently taking personnel shots at me
Reflects more poorly on you that you choose to take the personal route
Has admitted in the past rooting against jones and for the Giants to lose with him as QB.
He is the .1% rooting against Jones. He may not admit it but it’s an absolute fact.
I am rooting for him not to play for the Giants anymore. My interpretation of being a Giants fan is wanting them to have good players and win. I don't want them to have bad players and lose. I don't know why that bothers you or why you clearly care so much about what I root for. I don't care what you root for. In fact if you didn't follow me around so much I wouldn't notice you at all.
About as tired as I am of the multiple DJ threads with the same people literally saying the exact same things
Of which you are under no obligation to participate.
You're contribution to this site resembles a broken chat bot. You're bordering on Lines of Scrimmage Great Destruction territory.
We could be debating the color of the turf and odds are your response would be "But the Giants considered trading for Maye."
Many of us don't find a compelling difference between Daniel Jones, and any other mediocre-to-bad player that's passed through the halls over the last decade.
I didn't see the uproar and fandom litmus tests applied to Nate Solder, Kenny Golladay, and Darren Waller. All guys who had more glimpses of quality play before ultimately sucking after signing a big deal with the Giants.
Why is it OK to be happy those guys are gone and not want Daniel Jones gone?
Nor are you under any obligation to respond to my posts either
If you don’t like what I have to say don’t respond as opposed to consistently taking personnel shots at me
Reflects more poorly on you that you choose to take the personal route
Pointing out that you repeat yourself, and inject the same point in debates completely out of context is not a personal shot at you.
That's a factual criticism of the content your are contributing to the conversation.
I'll gladly debate football with you. For starters, what does Maye have to do with how Terps and I feel about Daniel Jones?
Giants recover from the great destruction of the LoS under Reese the Giants QB will benefit. Whoever that is.
Pretty impressed Christian hasn't told another fairy tale story about himself on this thread. I guess he recognized the red flags in that story of his.
About as tired as I am of the multiple DJ threads with the same people literally saying the exact same things
Of which you are under no obligation to participate.
You're contribution to this site resembles a broken chat bot. You're bordering on Lines of Scrimmage Great Destruction territory.
We could be debating the color of the turf and odds are your response would be "But the Giants considered trading for Maye."
Many of us don't find a compelling difference between Daniel Jones, and any other mediocre-to-bad player that's passed through the halls over the last decade.
I didn't see the uproar and fandom litmus tests applied to Nate Solder, Kenny Golladay, and Darren Waller. All guys who had more glimpses of quality play before ultimately sucking after signing a big deal with the Giants.
Why is it OK to be happy those guys are gone and not want Daniel Jones gone?
Nor are you under any obligation to respond to my posts either
If you don’t like what I have to say don’t respond as opposed to consistently taking personnel shots at me
Reflects more poorly on you that you choose to take the personal route
Pointing out that you repeat yourself, and inject the same point in debates completely out of context is not a personal shot at you.
That's a factual criticism of the content your are contributing to the conversation.
I'll gladly debate football with you. For starters, what does Maye have to do with how Terps and I feel about Daniel Jones?
The point was made that the Giants are happy with Jones…. Was it not?
It is more then fair to counter that point of view and say that if they were happy with him, then they wouldn’t have tried to draft his replacement whether it be Maye or anybody else
I agree with you and others that we need to move on from him….that is not up for debate
I differ with you on the organizations view point on him and am using the Maye example to try and back up my opinion
So you are rooting for the Giants to Lose so that the Giants are forced to obtain a new QB?
Do you cringe every time Jones completes a pass and celebrates his sacks?
Will you cease to be a Giant fan if the Giants win the NFC East and two playoff games next year?
I cannot fathom a Giant fan starting a season hoping they lose. I can't comprehend that thinking.
Your hatred for Jones is greater than your love of the team.
I can't comprehend pretending bad players are good just because they play on the team I root for.
I don't hate Jones. I hate entering a season knowing it's going to take an alignment of the stars just to win 9 games because the team is married to a terrible QB.
Do you put this much time and effort into your job?
Let me rephrase the question..
Does your employer know they are paying you to do nothing all day but to feed your obsession here on BBI?
I didn't want Waller back. I thought he was too expensive, not very durable, and unlikely ever to be a good return on investment. I don't hate Waller. I just didn't want him to come back. If he had, I would have been disappointed. When the season started I would root for him to do well if he was a Giant.
Go back and replace Waller with Jones.
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Caring about what other people root for is pretty dumb, but there is a case to be made that rooting for Daniel is rooting for the Giants to stay a bad football team.
Do you put this much time and effort into your job?
Let me rephrase the question..
Does your employer know they are paying you to do nothing all day but to feed your obsession here on BBI?
Does yours?
I haven't made any bets one way or the other so I have nothing invested.
I am rooting for the Giants to become a decent football team, and I'm pretty confident Jones can't be a good NFL QB so I'm rooting for him to choose to retire for no reason. This organization is too stupid to handle the issue themselves.
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Caring about what other people root for is pretty dumb, but there is a case to be made that rooting for Daniel is rooting for the Giants to stay a bad football team.
Do you put this much time and effort into your job?
Let me rephrase the question..
Does your employer know they are paying you to do nothing all day but to feed your obsession here on BBI?
What a dumbass post. Go tell your employer about your habits during work first.
Jones is a qb out of central casting until he gets on the field during a game and then the casting is "Nightmare on Elm Street" half the time
I don't know why we don't spend time rooting for Tomon Fox to become ten times better than Lawrence Taylor. Or DeVito to become the next Marino.
Yet so much time wishing Jones into existence as a good player. It's the strangest thing I've ever seen.
If the Cowboys or Sales were paying Daniel Jones $47M this year this board would be filled with threads just posting laugh emojis.
Then they lost McKInney and Barkley.
You better be drafting very well to overcome that.
And what if Jones is good in 2024? So what? He improved in 2022 and that led to the train wreck of his 2023 season. A decent 2024 will mean nothing for 2025.
There’s nothing to root for except replacing him.
Some are on this thread.
One started a thread on the topic promoting the idea.
This is a thread about some good things that DJ is doing. Some folks have come in here to shit on Jones and also to shit on people that are supporting him.
Those people are assholes.
Probably some who root against Jones having success. Most of those were the same one pushing to draft Willis at pick 5 or 7.
Not that it matters what anybody roots for, but in order, these would be the two best scenarios for me:
1) Jones flips a switch and suddenly becomes an upper tier NFL QB (4000 yards, 25-30 TDs, 7.5 Y/A)
2) Jones completely flops and the Giants have no other choice but to move on.
Anything between those two options is purgatory, because evidence suggests the Giants will look for reasons to keep him rather than vice versa.
Probably some who root against Jones having success. Most of those were the same one pushing to draft Willis at pick 5 or 7.
That's an unfair criticism. Willis has only played in the NFL for 2 years. Everyone knows that you have to wait until year 6 or 7 to wait for a breakout to truly be able to evaluate a QB.
What I don't want is another season that produces more questions than answers, and the experiment to drag on.
I'll be shocked if Jones magically develops into a quarterback that puts the Giants in contention for a championship. The same level of shock I'd feel if Azeez Ojulari develops into an All Pro pass rusher. I think those odds are about the same.
This isn't a particularly difficult or exotic view point to understand.
It was a joke about how lots of people on here are very comfortable calling every other QB bad after 2 years, but Jones needs nearly a decade as an unquestioned starter to fairly evaluate him.
Malik Willis sucks, and would have been a mistake to draft at 5 or 7. Similarly, Daniel Jones sucks and it was a mistake to draft him at 6. Both can be (and are) true
Accepting that Jones sucks is to accept some harder truths:
3. The Giants care too much about things that have nothing to do with winning football games
This point needs to be repeated, and often. Although I wouldn't use "too much" about the non-winning things the Giants care about, I'd say they care most about making money for the franchise. And you know what? The anxiety about Jones is going to make a ton of money for the Giants. Just look how many on BBI post about it, and think about how many fans will watch the games, go to the games, buy merchandise, etc.
Jones is a money-maker, and not because he's a good QB. Is he the best money-maker possible? Probably not, but he's not bad for business.
People already changed the tone of thread by calling out what others should and should not be rooting for.
Are you blind?
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To come into a thread about Jones getting the team together for workouts into an opportunity to tell everyone that he sucks is borderline obsessive.
People already changed the tone of thread by calling out what others should and should not be rooting for.
That is not what happened.
No, that's literally what happened. One of BBI's resident twerps offered that up fives posts into thread. Which turned the direction of the conversation.
I am not rooting for Daniel Jones. I am rooting for the Giants. I am rooting for them to wake up from this nightmare and do better.
I am not rooting for Daniel Jones. I am rooting for the Giants. I am rooting for them to wake up from this nightmare and do better.
If it didn’t didn’t apply to “young Daniel” then they wouldn’t have tried to get Maye
Try again
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This tired point doesn't apply. We're debating how fans feel, not what the organization may or may not have considered doing.
Try again
This tired point doesn't apply. We're debating how fans feel, not what the organization may or may not have considered doing. [/quote]
About as tired as I am of the multiple DJ threads with the same people literally saying the exact same things
"but there is a case to be made that rooting for Daniel is rooting for the Giants to stay a bad football team."
Why not say that you are rooting for Jones to play badly so that the Giants acquire a new QB?
There is no rationale for a Giants fan to celebrate Jones playing poorly. There is winning and losing. There is no tomorrow, there is today.
If Jones plays well and the Giants win that is the best outcome.
Your disdain for Jones clouds your judgment and is irrational. If the Giants win with Jones, that is all a fan can hope for.
Nobody believes that Jones is a great QB. But if he can be a winning QB that would be great.
He has already demonstrated that he can take a team to the playoffs and win a playoff game. If he can do that and more I would be satisfied.
I cannot imagine how badly you would feel if the Giants were to win the Super Bowl with Jones.
Nice spin
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"but there is a case to be made that rooting for Daniel is rooting for the Giants to stay a bad football team."
Why not say that you are rooting for Jones to play badly so that the Giants acquire a new QB?
There is no rationale for a Giants fan to celebrate Jones playing poorly. There is winning and losing. There is no tomorrow, there is today.
There are lots of tomorrows.
He is the .1% rooting against Jones. He may not admit it but it’s an absolute fact.
Of which you are under no obligation to participate.
You're contribution to this site resembles a broken chat bot. You're bordering on Lines of Scrimmage Great Destruction territory.
We could be debating the color of the turf and odds are your response would be "But the Giants considered trading for Maye."
Many of us don't find a compelling difference between Daniel Jones, and any other mediocre-to-bad player that's passed through the halls over the last decade.
I didn't see the uproar and fandom litmus tests applied to Nate Solder, Kenny Golladay, and Darren Waller. All guys who had more glimpses of quality play before ultimately sucking after signing a big deal with the Giants.
Why is it OK to be happy those guys are gone and not want Daniel Jones gone?
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About as tired as I am of the multiple DJ threads with the same people literally saying the exact same things
Of which you are under no obligation to participate.
You're contribution to this site resembles a broken chat bot. You're bordering on Lines of Scrimmage Great Destruction territory.
We could be debating the color of the turf and odds are your response would be "But the Giants considered trading for Maye."
Many of us don't find a compelling difference between Daniel Jones, and any other mediocre-to-bad player that's passed through the halls over the last decade.
I didn't see the uproar and fandom litmus tests applied to Nate Solder, Kenny Golladay, and Darren Waller. All guys who had more glimpses of quality play before ultimately sucking after signing a big deal with the Giants.
Why is it OK to be happy those guys are gone and not want Daniel Jones gone?
Nor are you under any obligation to respond to my posts either
If you don’t like what I have to say don’t respond as opposed to consistently taking personnel shots at me
Reflects more poorly on you that you choose to take the personal route
He is the .1% rooting against Jones. He may not admit it but it’s an absolute fact.
You can include me in that as well.
I'd much rather the Giants win 2 games than 7.
He is the .1% rooting against Jones. He may not admit it but it’s an absolute fact.
I am rooting for him not to play for the Giants anymore. My interpretation of being a Giants fan is wanting them to have good players and win. I don't want them to have bad players and lose. I don't know why that bothers you or why you clearly care so much about what I root for. I don't care what you root for. In fact if you didn't follow me around so much I wouldn't notice you at all.
Of which you are under no obligation to participate.
You're contribution to this site resembles a broken chat bot. You're bordering on Lines of Scrimmage Great Destruction territory.
We could be debating the color of the turf and odds are your response would be "But the Giants considered trading for Maye."
Many of us don't find a compelling difference between Daniel Jones, and any other mediocre-to-bad player that's passed through the halls over the last decade.
I didn't see the uproar and fandom litmus tests applied to Nate Solder, Kenny Golladay, and Darren Waller. All guys who had more glimpses of quality play before ultimately sucking after signing a big deal with the Giants.
Why is it OK to be happy those guys are gone and not want Daniel Jones gone?
Nor are you under any obligation to respond to my posts either
If you don’t like what I have to say don’t respond as opposed to consistently taking personnel shots at me
Reflects more poorly on you that you choose to take the personal route
Pointing out that you repeat yourself, and inject the same point in debates completely out of context is not a personal shot at you.
That's a factual criticism of the content your are contributing to the conversation.
I'll gladly debate football with you. For starters, what does Maye have to do with how Terps and I feel about Daniel Jones?
Pretty impressed Christian hasn't told another fairy tale story about himself on this thread. I guess he recognized the red flags in that story of his.
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About as tired as I am of the multiple DJ threads with the same people literally saying the exact same things
Of which you are under no obligation to participate.
You're contribution to this site resembles a broken chat bot. You're bordering on Lines of Scrimmage Great Destruction territory.
We could be debating the color of the turf and odds are your response would be "But the Giants considered trading for Maye."
Many of us don't find a compelling difference between Daniel Jones, and any other mediocre-to-bad player that's passed through the halls over the last decade.
I didn't see the uproar and fandom litmus tests applied to Nate Solder, Kenny Golladay, and Darren Waller. All guys who had more glimpses of quality play before ultimately sucking after signing a big deal with the Giants.
Why is it OK to be happy those guys are gone and not want Daniel Jones gone?
Nor are you under any obligation to respond to my posts either
If you don’t like what I have to say don’t respond as opposed to consistently taking personnel shots at me
Reflects more poorly on you that you choose to take the personal route
Pointing out that you repeat yourself, and inject the same point in debates completely out of context is not a personal shot at you.
That's a factual criticism of the content your are contributing to the conversation.
I'll gladly debate football with you. For starters, what does Maye have to do with how Terps and I feel about Daniel Jones?
The point was made that the Giants are happy with Jones…. Was it not?
It is more then fair to counter that point of view and say that if they were happy with him, then they wouldn’t have tried to draft his replacement whether it be Maye or anybody else
I agree with you and others that we need to move on from him….that is not up for debate
I differ with you on the organizations view point on him and am using the Maye example to try and back up my opinion
Nothing more
Do you cringe every time Jones completes a pass and celebrates his sacks?
Will you cease to be a Giant fan if the Giants win the NFC East and two playoff games next year?
I cannot fathom a Giant fan starting a season hoping they lose. I can't comprehend that thinking.
Your hatred for Jones is greater than your love of the team.
Darwinian/Manhattan/jinkies/Producer
hasn't once again risen from the dead to join this shitshow of a thread.
The likelihood of finding a top 5-10 QB in the draft is remote.
So it is likely that you will be railing against the next selection.
Do you cringe every time Jones completes a pass and celebrates his sacks?
Will you cease to be a Giant fan if the Giants win the NFC East and two playoff games next year?
I cannot fathom a Giant fan starting a season hoping they lose. I can't comprehend that thinking.
Your hatred for Jones is greater than your love of the team.
I can't comprehend pretending bad players are good just because they play on the team I root for.
I don't hate Jones. I hate entering a season knowing it's going to take an alignment of the stars just to win 9 games because the team is married to a terrible QB.