Realistically I am curious what the market is for Hartenstein
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As has been mentioned, Orlando and OKC are the two teams that are most often referenced as possible destinations, but I just have a hard time believing that the Thunder look at their roster and feel that spending big money on a center is the answer. The big advantage of having a guy like Holmgren is to have one of the few 5s in the league that can truly stretch the floor while also being an elite rim protector. You are going to then relegate him to being a stretch 4 instead by having him play next to a center? That just feels like you are setting yourself up for the same issues they are having in Cleveland by pairing Evan Mobley with Jarrett Allen.
Orlando makes more sense, but I guess at this point it all hinges on Paul George. From the sound of it, his whole process has been about going to whichever team is going to give him the full max. The Clippers don't seem willing to do it, but Philly and Orlando probably will. In that case, what are the chances he decides that he has had enough of playing Robin to a constantly injured star and really maximizes his income with a no state tax Magic?
Last thing, is there a $100 million offer from either of these teams anyway? I think the prevailing thought all along was that Claxton was the guy that would get the biggest center contract this offseason. He got 100 to return to the Nets, do we look at that to mean Hartenstein should get a similar contract or is Claxton viewed as more valuable so Hartenstein likely gets below that? If that is the case, and the best offer is say 4/90 - is the Knicks best offer of 4/72 close enough for him to come back at a discount?
Next couple of days will be interesting for sure.
I don't see Rose doing what he did without IHart coming back.
Is this Bridges trade still on hold? Could we see something get done today?
I hope you’re right. I think we just need to decide whether to include money or McBride in the deal to complete the bridges trade in order for us to be under the second apron to sign IHart.
If anyone is offering Hartenstein 30 million more than the Knicks,
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Sorry, that should say to get over Bridges' salary
The Claxton-IHart comps are not spot on. They're different types of players. Claxton is a better rebounder/rim protector, IHart is a better passer, ball mover and has that 8-10 foot floater game. The Nets gave him that contract to keep him from hitting the open market. Claxton and Mitch are better comps.
I can't believe Rose would act the way he did at the draft avoiding a C like the plague without pretty good knowledge IHart would come back. I mean he had Adem Bona staring at him at 40 and traded out of the pick while getting little to nothing in return but cash.
RE: I don't see Rose doing what he did without IHart coming back.
Is this Bridges trade still on hold? Could we see something get done today?
I totally agree. There had to have been an agreement between iHart and the NYK. iHart might sign a short one or two year deal and then with his Bird Rights firmly in hand sign a max deal after that with the Knicks.
His wife's a model. iHart's options are NY, Orlando, or OKC. For a model, it's obvious where she'd want to be professionally. IHart's a big part of this team now and they're ascending. OKC is also a top team, better even, so he'd have that going for him. Orlando is just a middling team. iHart can't say the Knicks didn't try if he goes elsewhere.
RE: Sorry, that should say to get over Bridges' salary
Is there any concern that he hasn’t signed yet and is apparently hitting FA? Or could this just be something to do with this 1st and 2nd apron nonsense? He has to have an idea by now what other teams are willing to pay him so it’s a bit concerning that he’s still not signed unless it has to do with this ridiculously complicated CBA stuff
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
I read/heard somewhere that they can no longer do that with Precious. He was going to be a Restricted FA, but the Knicks didn't make him a qualifying offer, so now he's an Unrestricted FA. As a result they can't do a sign and trade with him anymore. I'm not totally sure about this, but that's what I recall reading/hearing elsewhere yesterday. Someone please update/correct me if I'm wrong. This whole thing is confusing AF, lol.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
I read/heard somewhere that they can no longer do that with Precious. He was going to be a Restricted FA, but the Knicks didn't make him a qualifying offer, so now he's an Unrestricted FA. As a result they can't do a sign and trade with him anymore. I'm not totally sure about this, but that's what I recall reading/hearing elsewhere yesterday. Someone please update/correct me if I'm wrong. This whole thing is confusing AF, lol.
I said it but i guess technically they didnt renounce his rights yet even though they didnt extend the qualifying offer....
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Using MLE hard caps at 1st apron
But after we make all these moves, it wouldn't matter if the MLE is the last move we make. So, do we have it or not under this situation?
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Using MLE hard caps at 1st apron
But after we make all these moves, it wouldn't matter if the MLE is the last move we make. So, do we have it or not under this situation?
Either we get iHart or we get a 5.9 level exception. But not both. Either one requires us not being hard capped at the first apron.
All the money they’ve pissed away on washed up players and they’re gonna pinch pennies on Paul George.
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Using MLE hard caps at 1st apron
But after we make all these moves, it wouldn't matter if the MLE is the last move we make. So, do we have it or not under this situation?
Either we get iHart or we get a 5.9 level exception. But not both. Either one requires us not being hard capped at the first apron.
All the money they’ve pissed away on washed up players and they’re gonna pinch pennies on Paul George.
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
I don't think he wants to leave LA but is going to milk the Clippers for everything he can you would hope this other teams realize he is not worth 50 a year but Philly is desperate.
All the money they’ve pissed away on washed up players and they’re gonna pinch pennies on Paul George.
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
I don't think he wants to leave LA but is going to milk the Clippers for everything he can you would hope this other teams realize he is not worth 50 a year but Philly is desperate.
I think there's a pretty decent chance that year 3 and 4 of that contract age like milk, but year 1 and 2 he's still good enough to cause other teams (The Knicks) serious problems. Probably a 20% chance Embiid and PG are both healthy at the same time in the playoffs but that's a tough out if they are, right when the Knicks look ready to be a serious contender.
All the money they’ve pissed away on washed up players and they’re gonna pinch pennies on Paul George.
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
I don't think he wants to leave LA but is going to milk the Clippers for everything he can you would hope this other teams realize he is not worth 50 a year but Philly is desperate.
I think there's a pretty decent chance that year 3 and 4 of that contract age like milk, but year 1 and 2 he's still good enough to cause other teams (The Knicks) serious problems. Probably a 20% chance Embiid and PG are both healthy at the same time in the playoffs but that's a tough out if they are, right when the Knicks look ready to be a serious contender.
Yeah if you are the sixers you need to do something... The Knicks are massively upgraded vs the team that beat sixers in playoffs (Randle and Bridges)... So Sixers are indeed desperate
but I think the Nova Knicks with Randle and OG is better..
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
I don’t know man. Two players making over $50M and Maxey getting ready to get paid as well, probably also a max deal, the rest of that roster will likely be trash. It’s very difficult to build a team around 3 max contracts with the new CBA. Does it ever work anymore?
RE: RE: Maxey, George, Embiid would be a tough matchup
but I think the Nova Knicks with Randle and OG is better..
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
I don’t know man. Two players making over $50M and Maxey getting ready to get paid as well, probably also a max deal, the rest of that roster will likely be trash. It’s very difficult to build a team around 3 max contracts with the new CBA. Does it ever work anymore?
No what i am saying is the Knicks are better and built better but they are going to have so much hype like the suns bjg 3 got hyped up, that they are goingnto want Sixers vs Knicks game 1
RE: RE: RE: Maxey, George, Embiid would be a tough matchup
but I think the Nova Knicks with Randle and OG is better..
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
I don’t know man. Two players making over $50M and Maxey getting ready to get paid as well, probably also a max deal, the rest of that roster will likely be trash. It’s very difficult to build a team around 3 max contracts with the new CBA. Does it ever work anymore?
No what i am saying is the Knicks are better and built better but they are going to have so much hype like the suns bjg 3 got hyped up, that they are goingnto want Sixers vs Knicks game 1
Yeah, I agree with you. My wording wasn’t the best but I was just commenting randomly on the idea of the Sixers trying to go the 3 stars/max contracts route. It’s a dying method in the NBA because it doesn’t work anymore. It has too much of an effect on the rest of the roster. But, we all know Daryl Morey is a star chaser to the highest degree. He loves him some name recognition
going to stick to the thought that there is one scenario with the Sixers that scares me, which is them signing PG outright to the max and then trading all of their assets for someone like Lauri, Jimmy, Ingram, etc.
That would be a concern.
Also unrelated but it really seems like Mitchell is going to sign a full max with Cleveland. I really did not see that coming. Figured he'd force his way to Miami or something like that to play with Bam.
Embiid is such a whiny bitch and Haliburton talks so much shit. When we lost to Atlanta a few years ago, I actually liked Trae Young. He embraced the Garden. He didn't bother me. Rivalies are great. But fuck Embiid and Haliburton. I have no respect for either. Even with Miami, I respect the hell out of Butler.
RE: Maxey, George, Embiid would be a tough matchup
going to stick to the thought that there is one scenario with the Sixers that scares me, which is them signing PG outright to the max and then trading all of their assets for someone like Lauri, Jimmy, Ingram, etc.
That would be a concern.
Also unrelated but it really seems like Mitchell is going to sign a full max with Cleveland. I really did not see that coming. Figured he'd force his way to Miami or something like that to play with Bam.
If they got Lauri it would be scary because of his ability to play off of Maxxey and Embiid..
Ingram ehhh, i dont think he fits with a Maxxey, OG, Embiid big 3..
I think with Mitchell he rrally wanted to be a Knick but knew once Brunson became what he is that it was never going to happen, no way he thinks Cleveland can compete
Signing a 34 yr old wing that has played over 56 games once in the past 5 years to a 4 yr 212 million max contract will cause a rebuild in no time. Embid has proven he can not stay healthy and it's become a matter of fact now.
You eat all your cap space to build around those 2 is ridiculous.
It would also probably save the Clippers from themselves.
our front office has done really well but they botched quite a bit when it came to Obi - pretty much from day one up until the trade. Not a good look that they just gave away a guy who clearly has some value.
our front office has done really well but they botched quite a bit when it came to Obi - pretty much from day one up until the trade. Not a good look that they just gave away a guy who clearly has some value.
They're quite good at recovering from their mistakes IE they basically swapped out Obi for Donte
our front office has done really well but they botched quite a bit when it came to Obi - pretty much from day one up until the trade. Not a good look that they just gave away a guy who clearly has some value.
They're quite good at recovering from their mistakes IE they basically swapped out Obi for Donte
it seems like the Magic not the Thunder are the big threat for iHart. Scotto thinks it’ll be 23 mil per. Not necessarily that he’ll take it.
Best case scenario is Orlando signs PG and OKC makes a big move for Markannen or sits out Hartenstein's FA. If it's all about the money for George then Orlando makes the most sense given the tax advantage
Sounds like Klay s&t to Dallas is likely to happen shortly
it seems like the Magic not the Thunder are the big threat for iHart. Scotto thinks it’ll be 23 mil per. Not necessarily that he’ll take it.
Best case scenario is Orlando signs PG and OKC makes a big move for Markannen or sits out Hartenstein's FA. If it's all about the money for George then Orlando makes the most sense given the tax advantage
PG not wanting to tie his future to a chronically injured Embiid with no depth wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world.
RE: Sounds like Klay s&t to Dallas is likely to happen shortly
it seems like the Magic not the Thunder are the big threat for iHart. Scotto thinks it’ll be 23 mil per. Not necessarily that he’ll take it.
Best case scenario is Orlando signs PG and OKC makes a big move for Markannen or sits out Hartenstein's FA. If it's all about the money for George then Orlando makes the most sense given the tax advantage
PG not wanting to tie his future to a chronically injured Embiid with no depth wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world.
Philly market will also eat him alive if plays and acts the way he did this past season in LA
There was a Twitter scenario thrown around that they can do a 2 year deal with an option but the CBA doesn’t allow that.
They could give him 2 years guaranteed and he can opt out in year 3 at 28 and sign a bigger contract then. That could be the best way to maximize his earnings if he believes that he may not thrive quite as much in a new system vs the way he has since coming to the Knicks
RE: RE: They’re still confident in Ihart coming back
There was a Twitter scenario thrown around that they can do a 2 year deal with an option but the CBA doesn’t allow that.
They could give him 2 years guaranteed and he can opt out in year 3 at 28 and sign a bigger contract then. That could be the best way to maximize his earnings if he believes that he may not thrive quite as much in a new system vs the way he has since coming to the Knicks
There was a Twitter scenario thrown around that they can do a 2 year deal with an option but the CBA doesn’t allow that.
They could give him 2 years guaranteed and he can opt out in year 3 at 28 and sign a bigger contract then. That could be the best way to maximize his earnings if he believes that he may not thrive quite as much in a new system vs the way he has since coming to the Knicks
Yea but I don’t know if he’s willing to sacrifice for two years
RE: RE: RE: They’re still confident in Ihart coming back
There was a Twitter scenario thrown around that they can do a 2 year deal with an option but the CBA doesn’t allow that.
They could give him 2 years guaranteed and he can opt out in year 3 at 28 and sign a bigger contract then. That could be the best way to maximize his earnings if he believes that he may not thrive quite as much in a new system vs the way he has since coming to the Knicks
Yea but I don’t know if he’s willing to sacrifice for two years
I won't blame him if he walks for more money. He deserves it and this is his chance to cash in
wonder if Harden ends up really considering LAL and lebrons offer to take less? would think LAL could move DLo's expiring if they want to, but not sure why he would have opted in without any commitment that they werent going to trade him.
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B/R Sources: There’s growing optimism the Philadelphia 76ers will land Paul George in free agency.
about Philly landing PG. Maybe just pressuring LAC but I expect him to land in Philly at this point.
I’m not saying giving George a 4 year max is a good idea but what the hell are the Clippers going to do to stay competitive without him? They barely have any tradeable assets and the roster just isn’t that good right now. Is it really worth LAC opening up their new arena with a team that will be in the play-in mix?
about Philly landing PG. Maybe just pressuring LAC but I expect him to land in Philly at this point.
I’m not saying giving George a 4 year max is a good idea but what the hell are the Clippers going to do to stay competitive without him? They barely have any tradeable assets and the roster just isn’t that good right now. Is it really worth LAC opening up their new arena with a team that will be in the play-in mix?
It’s definitely weird. Barring major injury I think 3 of the 4 years of that deal will be productive enough to justify it
It’s definitely weird. Barring major injury I think 3 of the 4 years of that deal will be productive enough to justify it
The Clips letting him walk over a year would be madness. However, he missed a ton of time two years ago and missed the end of the season last year. The Sixers and Warriors were desperate, but I’m glad the Knicks went the way they ultimately did.
At the worst possible time for the Knicks. Finally ready to contend and have to jump through all kinds of hoops with these apron restrictions.
Reminds me of the year Zion was in the draft, and the Knicks had the worst record in the league, but of course it coincides with when the league smooths out the lottery odds and we end up getting dropping to third.
Begley mentions Nick Richards as a potential option
if Hartenstein walks. He'd be a great get/fit but I'm not sure what the Knicks could offer Charlotte that would entice them. Maybe 2 2nd rounders? Not sure if that'd be enough tbh
Me too, I’ve mentioned here before one of my best college buddies is Obi’s cousin. As a Knicks fan, I can see he wasn’t a great fit for Thibs, but I’ve heard stories of his excellent work ethic and will always root for him. Except for when he plays us
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With cap space teams Orlando focused on wing free agents and Utah focused on current roster decisions, and Knicks working to un-hardcap — sources say the OKC Thunder are in Eugene, Oregon, set to meet with Isaiah Hartenstein.
Luka/Kyrie. Luka is also ridiculously ball dominant so a guy like Klay who can score 15-20 on elite off-ball outside shooting is a nice fit in theory.
Klay is no longer a two way player or 2nd option. He’s “washed” in terms of being that guy. But he’s still as good a volume 3pt shooter as any in the league besides Curry and his size means he won’t be a cone on defense like smaller older guys. I could see him being a good rotation piece on Dallas/LA where he just needs to score 15 or so off-ball and shoot at his usual levels.
Embiid/PG feels like a duo where we all kind of know what will happen. Maybe Maxey levels up again but the odds of all 3 of those guys being healthy for a playoff run feels like 25% chance and even that might be pushing it.
But he’s also insanely smart and seen a lot. A vet PG like him and Pop as the HC would give Wemby so much mentorship as he develops. Hope CP3 goes to the Spurs but I’m thinking he’ll try to win a ring somewhere else.
Me too, I’ve mentioned here before one of my best college buddies is Obi’s cousin. As a Knicks fan, I can see he wasn’t a great fit for Thibs, but I’ve heard stories of his excellent work ethic and will always root for him. Except for when he plays us
I've always thought that Obi was a cool dude. Good to hear it. Wish him nothing but the best, except against the Knicks.
The game of musical chairs for the 2014 All NBA team keeps chugging. The only thing missing is the annual Westbrook trade that should be coming up before noon.
We have to imagine that every minute that goes by, the odds of IHart coming back to the Knicks increases. These teams know the situation the Knicks are in. If OKC really wanted IHart, it would have gotten done immediately. The C market already looks dried up.
As a Knicks fan this does not worry me at all. He’s 34, often injured and the will be guarded primarily by OG. The Sixers are desperate, they maxed him and gave him a player option in his final year when he’s 39/40 years old.
As a Knicks fan this does not worry me at all. He’s 34, often injured and the will be guarded primarily by OG. The Sixers are desperate, they maxed him and gave him a player option in his final year when he’s 39/40 years old.
I’m not being a phony just because he’s on the Sixers. I never wanted PG on the Knicks for the very reasons you listed. Plus, his age put him out of the window of the current Knicks roster. He’s missed as many postseason games as he’s played the past 3 years.
We have to imagine that every minute that goes by, the odds of IHart coming back to the Knicks increases. These teams know the situation the Knicks are in. If OKC really wanted IHart, it would have gotten done immediately. The C market already looks dried up.
I think last night was just technically heavy speculation.. news broke early this AM..
On iHart, I did see on X that it seems as if OKC leadership already left the meeting with him. Probably good news that we haven't heard anything..
year, there's a damn good chance PG is a Knick. If the Clippers were convinced he was leaving they would have been itching to make the trade and get something.
We have to imagine that every minute that goes by, the odds of IHart coming back to the Knicks increases. These teams know the situation the Knicks are in. If OKC really wanted IHart, it would have gotten done immediately. The C market already looks dried up.
I think last night was just technically heavy speculation.. news broke early this AM..
On iHart, I did see on X that it seems as if OKC leadership already left the meeting with him. Probably good news that we haven't heard anything..
Gotcha
RE: This tells me that if we don't trade for Bridges and agreed to the 4th
year, there's a damn good chance PG is a Knick. If the Clippers were convinced he was leaving they would have been itching to make the trade and get something.
Let's say you are correct (and I think you are). I'd much rather have Bridges than George -- primarily from the standpoint of age/durability/chemistry.
RE: This tells me that if we don't trade for Bridges and agreed to the 4th
year, there's a damn good chance PG is a Knick. If the Clippers were convinced he was leaving they would have been itching to make the trade and get something.
PG at the 2 with OG and Randle playing the forward spots? He’s older and unreliable when compared to Bridges. Bridges is durable and more versatile, plus he clearly fits the Knicks culture. No regrets making the Bridges deal.
And there is no way IHart would come back had we got Paul.
We'd have our pick but would have to dump some to move contracts, maybe. I agree. Bridges was the get. Honestly, when I saw the names of potential trade candidates, I thought Mitchell was the target just because we really needed to make a move now, not because it was the best fit. In addition, when I saw Bridges' name, he made the most sense but didn't think it was possible because of the Nets
year, there's a damn good chance PG is a Knick. If the Clippers were convinced he was leaving they would have been itching to make the trade and get something.
Let's say you are correct (and I think you are). I'd much rather have Bridges than George -- primarily from the standpoint of age/durability/chemistry.
Absolutely. Bridges is a much better fit chemistry wise, much more dependable and durable and on a much better contract. I'd do that trade 100 times out of 100.
On the Macri livestream, Jeremy Cohen was breaking down all of the scenarios with Ihart and one thing he had was both Ihart and zmitch coming back and it doesnt work under the second apron....
Could be why Begely had a report yesterday about the Knicks looking at Sims trades, clears an extra 2 million
Paul George is because A) No one thought the Nets would trade Bridges to the Knicks and B) His skillset was absolutely perfect for the Knicks, really his skillset fits anywhere
I think everyone is in agreement that the Mikal trade was option A the entire time. I don't regret not getting PG, I just he didn't then go to our division.
is wild to me that a man who will have made over 300 mil by the time this 4th year hits decided to leave his entire family on the west coast to just guarantee himself that last 55 mil and be stuck in shitty ass Philly.
is wild to me that a man who will have made over 300 mil by the time this 4th year hits decided to leave his entire family on the west coast to just guarantee himself that last 55 mil and be stuck in shitty ass Philly.
after doing all their signings and go over the cap, but interesting
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Sources: The Oklahoma City Thunder and free agent F Aaron Wiggins have agreed to a new five-year, $47 million deal. After OKC declined his $2M team option, Wiggins receives $45M in new money, with a significant raise next season. Thunder lock in a key rotation piece long-term
after doing all their signings and go over the cap, but interesting
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Sources: The Oklahoma City Thunder and free agent F Aaron Wiggins have agreed to a new five-year, $47 million deal. After OKC declined his $2M team option, Wiggins receives $45M in new money, with a significant raise next season. Thunder lock in a key rotation piece long-term
I think that's notable. The Thunder are historically a team that avoids taxes at all costs and they have big extensions coming up.
after doing all their signings and go over the cap, but interesting
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Sources: The Oklahoma City Thunder and free agent F Aaron Wiggins have agreed to a new five-year, $47 million deal. After OKC declined his $2M team option, Wiggins receives $45M in new money, with a significant raise next season. Thunder lock in a key rotation piece long-term
Isiah Joe now getting 4/48…
Windhorst said he thinks Markkanen will be traded.
reporting that Goga has an offer from Orlando which is...interesting.
Maybe OKC is really the only real threat.
Once Orlando signed KCP they were out on IHart. OKC is it.
I actually think they have enough for both. They came in with a ton of cap space. But a Goga offer suggests they’re not waiting for Isaiah. They also have plenty of other needs. Notably someone who can score the basketball
the Sixers still need some more depth but if (and I realize this is a big "if") their top guys somehow stay healthy they can win it all.
George has been mostly terrible in the playoffs for much of his career. One reason why LAC fans wanted him gone. I don't see that getting better with age.
has signaled he doesn't want to stay in Utah. I feel like he would have been a good fit here.
Still could be. I think Randle might be the better fit with a mediocre playmaker at the 2 in Mikal, but they have more picks to offer + Randle if they wanted to.
has signaled he doesn't want to stay in Utah. I feel like he would have been a good fit here.
Still could be. I think Randle might be the better fit with a mediocre playmaker at the 2 in Mikal, but they have more picks to offer + Randle if they wanted to.
or a crazy 3 or 4 team trade. But I feel like it's hard to find teams around the league where Randle works in terms of fit and timeline.
With Markkanen, anyone trading for him is taking a risk because his current salary means he's almost 100% getting to unrestricted free agency next summer.
for those asking,
OKC agreeing to sign Aaron Wiggins and Isaiah Joe to lucrative long-term deals does NOT impact their ability to sign Isaiah Hartenstein.
The Thunder would simply keep Wiggins' and Joe's small cap holds on their books (only $2.1M and $2.4M, respectively) while using their cap room.
Then after using their space, they could go over the cap to re-sign their own free-agents.
for those asking,
OKC agreeing to sign Aaron Wiggins and Isaiah Joe to lucrative long-term deals does NOT impact their ability to sign Isaiah Hartenstein.
The Thunder would simply keep Wiggins' and Joe's small cap holds on their books (only $2.1M and $2.4M, respectively) while using their cap room.
Then after using their space, they could go over the cap to re-sign their own free-agents.
What Beer is not mentioning is these two moves make them significantly closer to all the aprons. That’s the big news about this, not the cap space concerns.
RE: Celtics, Knicks and Sixers all should be really good.
for those asking,
OKC agreeing to sign Aaron Wiggins and Isaiah Joe to lucrative long-term deals does NOT impact their ability to sign Isaiah Hartenstein.
The Thunder would simply keep Wiggins' and Joe's small cap holds on their books (only $2.1M and $2.4M, respectively) while using their cap room.
Then after using their space, they could go over the cap to re-sign their own free-agents.
What Beer is not mentioning is these two moves make them significantly closer to all the aprons. That’s the big news about this, not the cap space concerns.
It’s a little tight but they can still sign Hartenstein though and stay under the first apron. They could also dump Dieng or Kenrich Williams to give themselves a little more breathing room, especially with their stockpile of picks.
Do they just bring back Precious? Sign Goga? Are they forced to use Deuce in a trade for a quality big? So many of the backup options are off the market.
has something completely unexpected up his sleeve, we're going to be much worse at center this year. Which mitigates the bump we we get from adding Bridges. Even if Mitch returns to form, his limitations on offense really bog us down at times.
I'm not sure Drummond moves the needle. Whatever benefits he brings on the glass he gives back being just a complete black hole on offense. He isn't just unskilled, he thinks he's Embiid and turns the ball over at insane clips.
I'm not sure Drummond moves the needle. Whatever benefits he brings on the glass he gives back being just a complete black hole on offense. He isn't just unskilled, he thinks he's Embiid and turns the ball over at insane clips.
Yeah I agree Drummond wasn't a fit here. a Nick Richards type or Goga fits better.
a compliment to Mitch that can stretch the floor and is an offensive threat.
I would take a shot at Paul Reed, I believe he has been renounced. Mo Bamba is another guy.
I'm not sure why they did not get insurance in the draft for this issue as Ihart was a threat to bolt, especially at 12m per year more than the Knicks can offer.
is reporting Goga already has an offer on the table from Orlando that the Knicks can't really match.
I don't think that's what he said. I think he said he has an offer that matches what the Knicks can offer, but we pretty clearly have a path to more playing time now.
is reporting Goga already has an offer on the table from Orlando that the Knicks can't really match.
I don't think that's what he said. I think he said he has an offer that matches what the Knicks can offer, but we pretty clearly have a path to more playing time now.
"I think he's got something on the table with Orlando and I don't think the Knicks can go past what he has on the table with them"
is reporting Goga already has an offer on the table from Orlando that the Knicks can't really match.
I don't think that's what he said. I think he said he has an offer that matches what the Knicks can offer, but we pretty clearly have a path to more playing time now.
"I think he's got something on the table with Orlando and I don't think the Knicks can go past what he has on the table with them"
following words were "so that could be trouble, so the Knicks may have to pivot". If you watch the interview he's clearly suggesting that's looking unlikely.
Either one of them would be great options for the Knicks and you would think NYK is an appealing destination given how much Hartenstein's value has increased in just two years.
more thing on Kessler...apparently he was on the trade market and that was before they drafted the groomed Mormon.
I doubt they could put together a package for Kessler that would interest Utah unless they love Deuce. I'm not even sure they could put one together for Nick Richards who would be another good option
this season 14.8 PER, .094 WS/48, 63% from the field and he's the same age as Tyler Kolek and Kevin McCullar Jr who will be a rookies this season, 1 year older than Ariel Hukporti. Not saying he's a given to be solid on a better team but beggars can't be choosers.
RE: RE: RE: The original OKC offer for Ihart was 3 year $70m
"Look, the trade to Detroit never made sense, and it didn't help his development whatsoever. That leaves him in a weird position going into free agency.
The Pistons allow him to become an unrestricted free agent, and he could take a one-year deal at a place where he knows he'll get minutes and then try the market again next year.
Alternatively, he could sign a longer deal, if offered, and hope he'll get a chance to prove himself during the length of said contract. He's young, athletic and in dire need of a situation in which he's given a real shot."
"Look, the trade to Detroit never made sense, and it didn't help his development whatsoever. That leaves him in a weird position going into free agency.
The Pistons allow him to become an unrestricted free agent, and he could take a one-year deal at a place where he knows he'll get minutes and then try the market again next year.
Alternatively, he could sign a longer deal, if offered, and hope he'll get a chance to prove himself during the length of said contract. He's young, athletic and in dire need of a situation in which he's given a real shot."
Leon has earned my complete trust. If he signs Wiseman I fully believe they'll get the most out of him. But I've watched him play and I just don't see it.
the cap situation look like for a Hartenstein replacement? I have a real hard time following how it works. What's the max they can pay just an off the street free agent to be their backup big?
the cap situation look like for a Hartenstein replacement? I have a real hard time following how it works. What's the max they can pay just an off the street free agent to be their backup big?
It's a little hard to pin down and is unfortunately very fluid. Seems likely they'll be able to offer a starting salary of 5.9.
To whatever their replacement is will be as big as people think
I think the defense and rebounding will be replicable. What made Isaiah so useful was that he is both a great passer and developed that floater that became basically automatic.
Finding someone who is great defensively and not a stiff offensively is the concern.
To whatever their replacement is will be as big as people think
I think the defense and rebounding will be replicable. What made Isaiah so useful was that he is both a great passer and developed that floater that became basically automatic.
Finding someone who is great defensively and not a stiff offensively is the concern.
I’m not sure Hartenstein would’ve had the same role on offense with Randle healthy. Even if they had full bird rights, it wouldn’t have been a wise investment for that kind of money
"Look, the trade to Detroit never made sense, and it didn't help his development whatsoever. That leaves him in a weird position going into free agency.
The Pistons allow him to become an unrestricted free agent, and he could take a one-year deal at a place where he knows he'll get minutes and then try the market again next year.
Alternatively, he could sign a longer deal, if offered, and hope he'll get a chance to prove himself during the length of said contract. He's young, athletic and in dire need of a situation in which he's given a real shot."
Leon has earned my complete trust. If he signs Wiseman I fully believe they'll get the most out of him. But I've watched him play and I just don't see it.
Yeah Weisman since he stepped foot on campus at Memphis has shown a questionable attitude at pretty much every stop. He has the talent and he did have some of his best NBA games this past season in Detroit. Has the light bulb finally gone on? Who knows. Any contender bringing him in will do extensive checking on him beforehand I'm sure.
experiment with Randle at the 5 with OG, Mikal, Brunson and either Hart or Donte.
Thibs tried Randle/Obi for like 5 minutes and then we never saw it again. OG is great but I'm not sure he's a rim protector and Julius certainly isn't, but good luck to any team trying to match up defensively.
I think that would be a great lineup vs the Celtics.
Markkanen is a FA after this season and Collins has a player option that he’ll only pick up if he has a disastrous season.
Kessler is good and cheap. No reason to trade him whatsoever.
John Collins isn't turning down 27 mil unless he desperately wants out of Utah. May be a stronger argument that they'll move him to the 4 if Lauri gets traded but either way there were Kessler trade rumors from weeks ago and since then they went out and added Filipowski and Eubanks so I'm not sure how wishful thinking it is.
Markkanen is a FA after this season and Collins has a player option that he’ll only pick up if he has a disastrous season.
Kessler is good and cheap. No reason to trade him whatsoever.
John Collins isn't turning down 27 mil unless he desperately wants out of Utah. May be a stronger argument that they'll move him to the 4 if Lauri gets traded but either way there were Kessler trade rumors from weeks ago and since then they went out and added Filipowski and Eubanks so I'm not sure how wishful thinking it is.
Even if he was available, I don’t see the Knicks being able to put together a package that would entice Ainge
The sky was falling in December when Mitch went down
Hartenstein ended up exceeding everyone's expectations during the regular season once he moved into the starting lineup, but let's not forget just how good Mitchell Robinson is.
They definitely need to add depth because at this point you can't rely on Robinson to stay healthy, but when he is out there we still have a heck of a player starting at center. The positive here is that a lot of the stuff we will lose on the offensive end as Hartenstein goes out, we will actually get back and then some with a healthy Randle. Hartenstein really stepped in as a playmaker and passer around the top of the key, but that responsibility will go back to Julius now and Mitch can focus on rebounding and anchoring the D.
with Mitch is that he really hurts Julius and Brunson's game. You basically just always have a center waiting for them at the rim. I am definitely more down on Mitch than most but I think he holds back the team more than helps. Great backup center for sure, but I'm not sure you can win a title with him as the starter.
Evan Sidery
@esidery
The Spurs and Warriors are among the teams showing interest in trading for Lauri Markkanen, per @WindhorstESPN
(https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/id293376147?i=1000660772596
).
Rival executives believe there’s a good chance the Jazz actually move Markkanen.
Evan Sidery
@esidery
The Spurs and Warriors are among the teams showing interest in trading for Lauri Markkanen, per @WindhorstESPN
(https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/id293376147?i=1000660772596
).
Rival executives believe there’s a good chance the Jazz actually move Markkanen.
Of course we're biased because we love IHart, but how in god's name did OKC not blow them away with an offer if LM is really on the market? Are they planning to make the hundred picks they have the next 5 years? I mean with his game LM was born to play on this OKC team. He would have allowed them to keep Holmgren at C where he's like a unicorn. Holmgren at the 4 is nothing special. He's a twig stretch 4 and there are plenty of them.
with Mitch is that he really hurts Julius and Brunson's game. You basically just always have a center waiting for them at the rim. I am definitely more down on Mitch than most but I think he holds back the team more than helps. Great backup center for sure, but I'm not sure you can win a title with him as the starter.
he's gotten better as a defender but his shot blocking and finishing seems to have gotten worse. The free throw shooting is a disaster but what's really frustrating is how bad his hands have gotten.
with Mitch is that he really hurts Julius and Brunson's game. You basically just always have a center waiting for them at the rim. I am definitely more down on Mitch than most but I think he holds back the team more than helps. Great backup center for sure, but I'm not sure you can win a title with him as the starter.
I don't see him hurting Julius and Brunson now with OG and Mikal in the lineup instead of RJ. The spacing is way better and it's not like Hartenstein was a stretch big, even though he had to be accounted for on offense.
Before Mitch got hurt last year, he was playing at an all-defensive team level. He's probably the best offensive rebounder in the NBA and even though he was really hobbled he still matched up way better with Embiid than Hartenstein did.
you are going to see a lot of Randle at the 5, this roster is very versatile on the wings, you got Bridges who can play 2 through 4, OG can play 2 through 5, Divo can play the 1-3, Hart can play 2 through 4
This team is built to play a bunvh of different lineupz
you are going to see a lot of Randle at the 5, this roster is very versatile on the wings, you got Bridges who can play 2 through 4, OG can play 2 through 5, Divo can play the 1-3, Hart can play 2 through 4
This team is built to play a bunvh of different lineupz
we'll see the end result with center but yeah I know he's stiff but Thibs will have to buy into lineup flexibility with the team as currently constituted.
was the CBA. If you really want to use 20/20 hindsight you can say why didn't they sign him to a 3 year deal 2 years ago? Or why didn't they try to extend him after last season? But those are unfair questions given the circumstances at both junctures.
Ian Begley
@IanBegley
Told free agent big man Precious Achiuwa has received interest from several contending teams & remains open to returning to NYK. Knicks, obviously, are in market for a big man following Isaiah Hartenstein’s departure. They should have access to $5M tax-payer midlevel exception.
was the CBA. If you really want to use 20/20 hindsight you can say why didn't they sign him to a 3 year deal 2 years ago? Or why didn't they try to extend him after last season? But those are unfair questions given the circumstances at both junctures.
Reason #7856732 to hate LeBron. Him and his cronies gamed the system to take less to fit under the salary cap and then max out under bird rights after two years which caused them to have to put these stupid rule in that limits a team from resigning a diamond in the rough that they found.
Ian Begley
@IanBegley
Told free agent big man Precious Achiuwa has received interest from several contending teams & remains open to returning to NYK. Knicks, obviously, are in market for a big man following Isaiah Hartenstein’s departure. They should have access to $5M tax-payer midlevel exception.
Going into the season with Mitch, Precious and Sims would be underwhelming. Gimme Goga or Richards please
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
BREAKING: Free agent Klay Thompson plans to join the Dallas Mavericks on a three-year, $50M deal with a player option, sources tell ESPN. Thompson ends his historic Warriors run as part of a multi-team sign-and-trade that’ll also send Josh Green to Charlotte.
twitter thread to get you excited about the Bridges deal Link - ( New Window )
I bet Bridges has a career year next season. He's playing where he wants to play with who he wants to play with and all those guys have played their best ball here. I'm not predicting a Brunson-like leap but he could be in the ASG conversation
Spurs have 4 FRPs in 2025, 2 of them unprotected.
Atlanta swap rights plus their own in 2026.
Atlanta unprotected plus their own in 2027.
Boston pick in 2028 (some protections i think).
Dallas unprotected in 2030.
they could pretty easily do a Bridges-esque return and still have a ton of ammo for future deals with a solid lineup:
Jake Fischer
@JakeLFischer
We do not expect Lauri Markkanen to be traded, but that has not stopped multiple teams — including Golden State — from calling Utah, sources said. And the Jazz have held tangible discussions on the All-Star forward.
Lauri Markkanen next?
The biggest domino from Thompson’s outcome, however, could very well be the future of All-Star forward Lauri Markkanen. Golden State has tried to maximize its optionality this summer by chasing the biggest fish who are feasibly available for the taking. First, the Warriors moved back Chris Paul’s guarantee date to try and find a trade of his $30 million expiring salary. The Warriors tried to negotiate a trade for Paul George with the Clippers, sources said, before the All-Star wing opted out of his contract to test free agency and ultimately join Philadelphia. Golden State now remains one of the few teams most connected to a pursuit of acquiring Markkanen from Utah, according to league personnel.
The Jazz are indeed welcoming calls on Markkanen, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Perhaps Utah will ultimately exact a similar offseason to that of Brooklyn, where the Nets once envisioned adding star-level talent alongside Mikal Bridges before determining their best course of action was to enter a rebuild — thanks to a massive haul from New York. The Jazz, as previously reported at Yahoo Sports, were looking into trading for Bridges, held conversations with Atlanta about both Dejounte Murray and Trae Young, sources said, and were working to assemble a group around Markkanen that could have possibly drawn George’s eye. Link - ( New Window )
he's a FA to be so if they can get anything close to a bridges price
they would be stupid to pass it up if there's any question about him extending there.
tricky negotiation though because a team like SAS probably still has cap space next year, so how much are they going to give up now? 5 unprotecteds is crazy. the 2 protected next year and 2 unprotected down the road seems reasonable, but is that enough for ainge?
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
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Free agent center Goga Bitadze is returning to the Orlando Magic on a three-year, $25 million contract, sources tell ESPN.
on absolutely nothing I have a hunch the Knicks are going to trade for Nick Richards.
It's too random a name to keep popping up otherwise. They must like him for some reason that isn't readily apparent.
Begley was on with Hahn earlier today and brought him up again as a guy he knows the Knicks like and have interest in fwiw.
He's a good player who's a backup 5 on a bad team because they also have Mark Williams. He was in trade rumors at the deadline too and was someone I was interested in when it was still unclear if Mitch was returning at all.
So he's right there on a counting stats perspective. I just wish there was any sort of secondary skill on offense. He seems to have the Mitchell Robinson offensive package of dunks and putbacks.
So he's right there on a counting stats perspective. I just wish there was any sort of secondary skill on offense. He seems to have the Mitchell Robinson offensive package of dunks and putbacks.
He's got a bit more of an offensive game than Mitch does and more importantly is a much much better FT shooter
I'm surprised Thompson didn't end up a Laker. I thought LAL were interested in him & his old man was a Laker so there's a natural draw. I guess GM LBJ will have to go back to the drawing board.
is involved in a lot of pick and rolls. They trust giving it to him aside from just lobs. He has to take a dribble and finish. He also has a hook shot and seems comfortable taking jumpers.
During the same radio appearance Begley said that the Knicks were confident they can do the Bridges deal without being hardcapped at the 1st apron and that they have interest in bringing Precious back. Take that for what it’s worth. Someone will pay Burks more than the minimum I would think and the Knicks can give them a sweetener to join the sign and trade. That’s the ideal scenario I think
BBI will be demanding that they give up 3 more first round draft choices for a 3d string center who's about to be cut, and who averaged 2 points and .6 rebounds per 40 last year.
BBI will be demanding that they give up 3 more first round draft choices for a 3d string center who's about to be cut, and who averaged 2 points and .6 rebounds per 40 last year.
Pickings are slim... Don't have a second string center
Well, I just hope that when the Knicks were “expecting iHart to
return” that it wasn’t just them thinking that nobody else was was to pay that much (and this is exactly what I think happened). Will be interesting to see how they pivot but iHart leaving is a big deal. The Knicks are definitely taking a hit at the center position this offseason.
The Bridges deal? Could there be a third team play going on here?
nothing is official until new league year on 7/6. Right now that trade is the same as the free agent signings we heard about today - agreed upon but not official.
Ian Begley reported that iHart was increasingly unlikey to return
The Bridges deal? Could there be a third team play going on here?
nothing is official until new league year on 7/6. Right now that trade is the same as the free agent signings we heard about today - agreed upon but not official.
I find it very hard to believe the Knicks did not have a plan B. It sounds like they were in it right until the very end, and my guess is they've been working the phone all day for a trade now. The targets they liked were leaked and the only one left was Richards, but we'll see if they have something else up their sleeve.
I find it very hard to believe the Knicks did not have a plan B. It sounds like they were in it right until the very end, and my guess is they've been working the phone all day for a trade now. The targets they liked were leaked and the only one left was Richards, but we'll see if they have something else up their sleeve.
Yeah if be shocked if they dont trade for someone..
Its still also possible they trade for someone a little more offensively gifted..
I find it very hard to believe the Knicks did not have a plan B. It sounds like they were in it right until the very end, and my guess is they've been working the phone all day for a trade now. The targets they liked were leaked and the only one left was Richards, but we'll see if they have something else up their sleeve.
Yeah if be shocked if they dont trade for someone..
Its still also possible they trade for someone a little more offensively gifted..
I love Mo Bamba, in theory - a long, athletic stretch-5 who can shoot the 3. But in practice, he's not very good.
WFAN was idiot central today. Listened in the afternoon as one of the hosts went on and on about how Thibs playing guys too much will be a major problem (on what will be one of the deepest teams in the league). Just dumb shit.
In his NBA career. It's not gonna happen fellas. I don't see Wiseman as a Thibs or Knicks culture kind of guy although I do agree his talent is intriguing. The way the Knicks develop bigs he's probably worth the squeeze but doubt it happens. Probably there's a trade out there as the free agent C list has dried up into a desert.
WFAN was idiot central today. Listened in the afternoon as one of the hosts went on and on about how Thibs playing guys too much will be a major problem (on what will be one of the deepest teams in the league). Just dumb shit.
I bet it was Morash, he is a Nets fan and hates the Knicks
In his NBA career. It's not gonna happen fellas. I don't see Wiseman as a Thibs or Knicks culture kind of guy although I do agree his talent is intriguing. The way the Knicks develop bigs he's probably worth the squeeze but doubt it happens. Probably there's a trade out there as the free agent C list has dried up into a desert.
Agree that FA Centers have flown off the board quickly, but the guy I think fits the Knicks well is still out there. Mo Wagner isn't iHart,but he'd give them some of his attributes & be a good duo with Mitch. The question will be how much does he want? Seems the backup FA C market is being overpaid!
In his NBA career. It's not gonna happen fellas. I don't see Wiseman as a Thibs or Knicks culture kind of guy although I do agree his talent is intriguing. The way the Knicks develop bigs he's probably worth the squeeze but doubt it happens. Probably there's a trade out there as the free agent C list has dried up into a desert.
Agree that FA Centers have flown off the board quickly, but the guy I think fits the Knicks well is still out there. Mo Wagner isn't iHart,but he'd give them some of his attributes & be a good duo with Mitch. The question will be how much does he want? Seems the backup FA C market is being overpaid!
Everyone seems to believe that Orland is going to retain Wagner which is probably why he hasn’t been talked about much.
Thomas Bryant is only 26 and can stretch the floor as a shooting big.
FA dollars we have available? Do we have the MLE or anything like that?
Nobody knows for sure because we don't know what apron the Knicks are at because the Bridges trade hasn't been officially finalized and announced. Everyone's best guess is that the Knicks have the tax payer MLE to spend which is like 5.9 million.
RE: Well, I just hope that when the Knicks were “expecting iHart to
return” that it wasn’t just them thinking that nobody else was was to pay that much (and this is exactly what I think happened). Will be interesting to see how they pivot but iHart leaving is a big deal. The Knicks are definitely taking a hit at the center position this offseason.
Their plan B was Mitchell health cross fingers, Simms, bring back Precious and rookie. I-Hart was a journeyman third or fourth team in 4 years and if Mitch didn't go down he would most likely be back on 12 to 14 million dollar contract because that is what he would have been worth but thibs got IQ, Obi and I-Hart paid and they should all be thankful of getting a chance to grow in thibs system. All of them except maybe Obi are vastly overpaid but it is what it is.
play for. Seems like his current players like playing for NYK and many of his former players all got massive fat generational wealth contracts after playing for him.
New York Basketball
@NBA_NewYork
James Wiseman on Taj Gibson: “Man, just a short time, he's given me a lot of confidence. Always speaking to me, always telling me just play my game, play free out there, play with a clear mind”
RE: Anyone know if you can attach pick compensation
to a trade exception? I know players are a no go but can't find a recent clear answer on pick compensation
you can, you just cant combine exceptions and the entire returning salary has to fit within them.
ex. the nets are technically accepting bogdonovic into an existing trade exception from dinwiddie along with the picks, then creating a new $23m exception from bridges to knicks.
Regarding the future of point guard Rokas Jokubaitis, Peñarroya mentioned that "he has a contract with the club" and is currently part of the team, hinting that "the summer is always very long."" Link - ( New Window )
everyone talking about thr Sixers and Paul George and how he is the 3rd guy and he can be a 3 and d wing who can guard the other teams best perimiter player..
Did they not listen to his podcast where he said he didnt want to do the dirty work?
And the analysis is the best oh they have 3 top players they are really good, its like they dont learn from everyone saying the Suns and Bucks were finals bound..
Still trying to figure out where to watch this but @Knicks PG Rokas Jokubaitis and team Lithuania are scheduled to take on Mexico today in Olympic qualifiers. Knicks fans should be hoping Lithuania is eliminated so that Rokas can play in SL with @knicks #Knicks
everyone talking about thr Sixers and Paul George and how he is the 3rd guy and he can be a 3 and d wing who can guard the other teams best perimiter player..
Did they not listen to his podcast where he said he didnt want to do the dirty work?
And the analysis is the best oh they have 3 top players they are really good, its like they dont learn from everyone saying the Suns and Bucks were finals bound..
Scal addressed this this morning. He agrees they have nothing after the top 3 so its hard to see them competing with the other top teams in the East. He did say from the beginning last year that the Phoenix thing was a klunky roster fit with Beal not really complementing the other 2 because they all live in the mid range. He thinks the Philly thing is more symmetrical because their games compliment eachother better.
everyone talking about thr Sixers and Paul George and how he is the 3rd guy and he can be a 3 and d wing who can guard the other teams best perimiter player..
Did they not listen to his podcast where he said he didnt want to do the dirty work?
And the analysis is the best oh they have 3 top players they are really good, its like they dont learn from everyone saying the Suns and Bucks were finals bound..
Philly is going to get all the love as they technically still have the "best" player on either of our rosters in Embiid. BUT, Embiid still has the injury and playoff hurdles to overcome and until proven otherwise those are huge concerns.
Give me the Knicks roster top to bottom over Philly's any day of the week.
everyone talking about thr Sixers and Paul George and how he is the 3rd guy and he can be a 3 and d wing who can guard the other teams best perimiter player..
Did they not listen to his podcast where he said he didnt want to do the dirty work?
And the analysis is the best oh they have 3 top players they are really good, its like they dont learn from everyone saying the Suns and Bucks were finals bound..
Scal addressed this this morning. He agrees they have nothing after the top 3 so its hard to see them competing with the other top teams in the East. He did say from the beginning last year that the Phoenix thing was a klunky roster fit with Beal not really complementing the other 2 because they all live in the mid range. He thinks the Philly thing is more symmetrical because their games compliment eachother better.
They only compliment if George agrees to be the 3rd guy and play that role...
I was listening to firdt tske this morning and they had chine on and she said they have 3 guys to equal 83 points, sure when they all get 20 shots and are the number 1 options, not all of them are going to be able to score
for the Knicks but I'm going to go ahead and suggest DeMar DeRozan is one of the most underrated players ever.
He's 31th all-time in points scored (remarkably, less than 100 less points than Steph Curry). He's a near lock to finish top 20 and a legitimate chance of finishing top 10 am I the only one who finds this nuts?
Philly is going to get all the love as they technically still have the "best" player on either of our rosters in Embiid. BUT, Embiid still has the injury and playoff hurdles to overcome and until proven otherwise those are huge concerns.
Give me the Knicks roster top to bottom over Philly's any day of the week.
Lost in all of the talk of Embiid’s injuries is that George has actually played less games than Embiid the past 5 seasons.
for the Knicks but I'm going to go ahead and suggest DeMar DeRozan is one of the most underrated players ever.
He's 31th all-time in points scored (remarkably, less than 100 less points than Steph Curry). He's a near lock to finish top 20 and a legitimate chance of finishing top 10 am I the only one who finds this nuts?
He kills us every time we play them I wish we could get him cheap. No way though. And the center (I won’t try to spell his name) kills us too
Philly is going to get all the love as they technically still have the "best" player on either of our rosters in Embiid. BUT, Embiid still has the injury and playoff hurdles to overcome and until proven otherwise those are huge concerns.
Give me the Knicks roster top to bottom over Philly's any day of the week.
Lost in all of the talk of Embiid’s injuries is that George has actually played less games than Embiid the past 5 seasons.
And has really struggled in the playoffs for most of his career
Who was Detroit bidding against for Tobias Harris?
I can't imagine there was anyone else who was offering close to what he got. New GM, more of the same over there
New CBA you have spend 90% of the cap
It's not like he was the only FA, they should've signed several guys to smaller contracts who could become valuable trade chips at the deadline. That contract will be very hard to move
is a good passer and big time hustle guy. Not ideal at 6'8" but has experience at C, the Knicks on court numbers with Precious at C were pretty good, Yurtseven had a solid rookie year, not much since....
for the Knicks but I'm going to go ahead and suggest DeMar DeRozan is one of the most underrated players ever.
He's 31th all-time in points scored (remarkably, less than 100 less points than Steph Curry). He's a near lock to finish top 20 and a legitimate chance of finishing top 10 am I the only one who finds this nuts?
Yeah I realized this morning he was still out there. Amazing. these JAGS are moving all over the league the past few days and nobody is interested in DeRozan?
is a good passer and big time hustle guy. Not ideal at 6'8" but has experience at C, the Knicks on court numbers with Precious at C were pretty good, Yurtseven had a solid rookie year, not much since....
It's slim pickings. I'm starting to get the feeling the plan is just to bring Precious back and roll with what we have
there could be a trade but at this point in time it really looks like we got caught with our pants down on the Ihart situation. They can't sell to us that Precious/Mitch/Simms measure up to what we had with IHart.
RE: Yeah things could change and nothing is finished
there could be a trade but at this point in time it really looks like we got caught with our pants down on the Ihart situation. They can't sell to us that Precious/Mitch/Simms measure up to what we had with IHart.
I think the Knicks resign Precious and a veteran big man like Daniel Theis. If Randle doesn’t sign an extension soon in August, I think he could be used in a trade for a really good starting 5 and either draft capital or more depth.
Rit Holtzman
@BenRitholtzNBA
An essential note about 2 of the names that have have bandied about last couple of days, Mo Wagner and Day’Ron Sharpe:
Defensively, both conceded >63% at the rim last season,two of the worst marks among centers in the NBA (in front of only Jokic, Kelly O, JV, Nance).
Rit Holtzman
@BenRitholtzNBA
In contrast, 2 other available names, Tillman and Wiseman, graded out much better in this rim protection metric (54% and 56%, respectively).
Important to note with what Thibs expects from his 5-men.
RE: Yeah things could change and nothing is finished
there could be a trade but at this point in time it really looks like we got caught with our pants down on the Ihart situation. They can't sell to us that Precious/Mitch/Simms measure up to what we had with IHart.
They couldn't keep iHart because they couldn't offer the money.
Bridges was top priority and making that move put a significant constraint on replacing iHart.
From Begley's reporting, they knew iHart was gone before the draft, so they did not manage the draft thinking he was coming back.
They may think the trade deadline will be a better environment for making a move for a significant big.
The current roster situation is far from ideal, but it doesn't mean anything happened that wasn't expected.
RE: RE: Yeah things could change and nothing is finished
there could be a trade but at this point in time it really looks like we got caught with our pants down on the Ihart situation. They can't sell to us that Precious/Mitch/Simms measure up to what we had with IHart.
They couldn't keep iHart because they couldn't offer the money.
Bridges was top priority and making that move put a significant constraint on replacing iHart.
From Begley's reporting, they knew iHart was gone before the draft, so they did not manage the draft thinking he was coming back.
They may think the trade deadline will be a better environment for making a move for a significant big.
The current roster situation is far from ideal, but it doesn't mean anything happened that wasn't expected.
I don't buy that at all. This sounds like a PR stunt.
The Knicks wanted him back. Ajr posted he was coming back. When pressed on it, he said that is what the Knicks expect. Everything they did in the draft was leaning in this direction. Then add in that they missed the whole C market waiting on a decision from IHart. I don't blame IHart for taking the deal at all but nothing the Knicks did shows they knew IHart wasn't returning.
NBACentral
@TheDunkCentral
The New York Knicks are showing interest in Walker Kessler, per @MikeAScotto
“The Knicks have also made inquiries on the trade market, showing interest in Jazz center Walker Kessler, league sources told HoopsHype, along with Hornets center Nick Richards, as previously reportedby HoopsHype.”
Maybe the Knicks really arent worried about Center
to be a downer but Scotto seems to have a lot of "rumors" that nobody else has if you get what I mean...
He does but he's also been pretty accurate with Knicks intel as of late. IE he was the only one in-season who mentioned the Knicks were trying to trade for OG before the deal.
Of course, there's a big difference between inquiring about a player and there actually being legs to a deal
"There’s a belief from rival executives that Utah would listen to trade calls for Kessler, whereas last year, the sense was he was not for sale.
Richards is coming off his best season as a pro and has two years and $10 million remaining on his contract. He averaged 9.7 points, grabbed 8.0 rebounds, and blocked 1.1 shots per game in 26.3 minutes while starting 51 of 67 games.
reddit seems to think Nick Richards is okay but has a low BBIQ, just fwiw. The underlying numbers are pretty strong but I'd by lying if I said I had a strong Nick Richards take one way or the other.
I have watched Kessler play and he is a force out there on defense. The Jazz is significantly better when he plays too as evidenced by his on/off splits.
Trying to trade for a player that that piece of shit Danny Ainge is dangling. He probably will want every possible pick we can deal, DD and Bridges for the immortal Walker friggen Kessler. This C thing will probably be a work in progress all season and we have to pray Mitch stays healthy. Hopefully come in season or deadline if we want someone it's on a team below the apron because we won't be able to take in more money than we're sending out right?
RE: Excuse me if I don't get overly excited at the prospect of
Trying to trade for a player that that piece of shit Danny Ainge is dangling. He probably will want every possible pick we can deal, DD and Bridges for the immortal Walker friggen Kessler. This C thing will probably be a work in progress all season and we have to pray Mitch stays healthy. Hopefully come in season or deadline if we want someone it's on a team below the apron because we won't be able to take in more money than we're sending out right?
Kessler isn't being dangled, they just have a glut of C's at the moment. Also we can only deal two picks and they're both heavily protected anyways.
Kessler is 22 and under contract for the next two years before becoming a RFA. He'd be part of the long-term core and would likely supplant Mitch as the starter eventually.
He's one of, if not the best fit that's out there given his age, contract and what the Knicks ask for from their big men. I'm a fan of Nick Richards and would like that move quite a bit but Kessler would be worth giving up more for if he's actually attainable.
RE: RE: Excuse me if I don't get overly excited at the prospect of
Trying to trade for a player that that piece of shit Danny Ainge is dangling. He probably will want every possible pick we can deal, DD and Bridges for the immortal Walker friggen Kessler. This C thing will probably be a work in progress all season and we have to pray Mitch stays healthy. Hopefully come in season or deadline if we want someone it's on a team below the apron because we won't be able to take in more money than we're sending out right?
Kessler isn't being dangled, they just have a glut of C's at the moment. Also we can only deal two picks and they're both heavily protected anyways.
Kessler is 22 and under contract for the next two years before becoming a RFA. He'd be part of the long-term core and would likely supplant Mitch as the starter eventually.
He's one of, if not the best fit that's out there given his age, contract and what the Knicks ask for from their big men. I'm a fan of Nick Richards and would like that move quite a bit but Kessler would be worth giving up more for if he's actually attainable.
I wasn't bashing Kessler. He'd be a terrific fit but not really getting my hopes up at all with Ainge involved.
know what their plan is if they don't trade him. They just signed Eubanks, he'll play. They just drafted Filipowski, he'll probably play some. John Collins is the reigning starter and is still there.
There's your three man center rotation.
RE: RE: Excuse me if I don't get overly excited at the prospect of
Trying to trade for a player that that piece of shit Danny Ainge is dangling. He probably will want every possible pick we can deal, DD and Bridges for the immortal Walker friggen Kessler. This C thing will probably be a work in progress all season and we have to pray Mitch stays healthy. Hopefully come in season or deadline if we want someone it's on a team below the apron because we won't be able to take in more money than we're sending out right?
Kessler isn't being dangled, they just have a glut of C's at the moment. Also we can only deal two picks and they're both heavily protected anyways.
Kessler is 22 and under contract for the next two years before becoming a RFA. He'd be part of the long-term core and would likely supplant Mitch as the starter eventually.
He's one of, if not the best fit that's out there given his age, contract and what the Knicks ask for from their big men. I'm a fan of Nick Richards and would like that move quite a bit but Kessler would be worth giving up more for if he's actually attainable.
to be a downer but Scotto seems to have a lot of "rumors" that nobody else has if you get what I mean...
I thought he nailed a few good ones…or maybe I’m confusing him with Jake Fischer and Evan Sidery
Evan Sidery steals info from others and posts its. Jake Fischer has not been right about anything. Scotto is friendly with Begley so maybe there is some truth to it. It still comes down to Woj and Shams these days. I have a feeling Shams will end up the insider on NBC when their package begins.
At this point I’m not that worried about center other than for depth
Purposes in the event that Robinson goes down again. With the roster constructed as is, there is a big time numbers crunch for minutes that clears itself up if Thibs is forced to use OG/Randle at the 5.
If you went into the season expecting 48 minutes from a true center, that only leaves 192 minutes at the other 4 spots to split between everyone. Looking at how these guys should ideally be used you’re looking at the following:
Brunson, Bridges, OG and Randle will each get close to 35 minutes per night.
Hart and Divencenzo will get 25-30 each, and then Deuce probably has earned about 15.
That’s 210 minutes right there, which is 18 minutes too many. Easiest way to clear up the log jam is to give those 18 extra minutes to Randle or OG in some combination at Center.
Figure Mitch should play around 25 per night, and then you bring back Precious to get the other 5 and serve as the emergency plan if Mitch misses time.
is a great fit for this team, but trading with Ainge is nearly impossible and the Knicks don't have a lot of moveable pieces unless he is interested in the French kid. He can be traded in 30 days or something.
I don't really understand Orlando's offseason at all
During the same radio appearance Begley said that the Knicks were confident they can do the Bridges deal without being hardcapped at the 1st apron and that they have interest in bringing Precious back. Take that for what it’s worth. Someone will pay Burks more than the minimum I would think and the Knicks can give them a sweetener to join the sign and trade. That’s the ideal scenario I think
That makes a lot of sense. I guess one or two of those superfluous 2nd rounders that the Knicks acquired during the draft could be put to use in such a S&T.
RE: At this point I’m not that worried about center other than for depth
Purposes in the event that Robinson goes down again. With the roster constructed as is, there is a big time numbers crunch for minutes that clears itself up if Thibs is forced to use OG/Randle at the 5.
If you went into the season expecting 48 minutes from a true center, that only leaves 192 minutes at the other 4 spots to split between everyone. Looking at how these guys should ideally be used you’re looking at the following:
Brunson, Bridges, OG and Randle will each get close to 35 minutes per night.
Hart and Divencenzo will get 25-30 each, and then Deuce probably has earned about 15.
That’s 210 minutes right there, which is 18 minutes too many. Easiest way to clear up the log jam is to give those 18 extra minutes to Randle or OG in some combination at Center.
Figure Mitch should play around 25 per night, and then you bring back Precious to get the other 5 and serve as the emergency plan if Mitch misses time.
I'm not totally sure if I agree with that. Lets say they trade Deuce for Kessler and sign Lowry for vet min:
9 man rotation, 4 starters playing 34 minutes each which isn't a ton. Divencenzo may get a little screwed on the minutes but over the course of the season all 9 of these guys will play plenty
RE: RE: At this point I’m not that worried about center other than for depth
Purposes in the event that Robinson goes down again. With the roster constructed as is, there is a big time numbers crunch for minutes that clears itself up if Thibs is forced to use OG/Randle at the 5.
If you went into the season expecting 48 minutes from a true center, that only leaves 192 minutes at the other 4 spots to split between everyone. Looking at how these guys should ideally be used you’re looking at the following:
Brunson, Bridges, OG and Randle will each get close to 35 minutes per night.
Hart and Divencenzo will get 25-30 each, and then Deuce probably has earned about 15.
That’s 210 minutes right there, which is 18 minutes too many. Easiest way to clear up the log jam is to give those 18 extra minutes to Randle or OG in some combination at Center.
Figure Mitch should play around 25 per night, and then you bring back Precious to get the other 5 and serve as the emergency plan if Mitch misses time.
I'm not totally sure if I agree with that. Lets say they trade Deuce for Kessler and sign Lowry for vet min:
9 man rotation, 4 starters playing 34 minutes each which isn't a ton. Divencenzo may get a little screwed on the minutes but over the course of the season all 9 of these guys will play plenty
I think this is close to what it would look like if they were to get someone like Kessler. If not, then I think we'll see more lineups with OG and Randle as your 4/5 with Brunson Bridges OG, and Donte/Hart. That line up with Donte would be really damn good offensively.
there could be a trade but at this point in time it really looks like we got caught with our pants down on the Ihart situation. They can't sell to us that Precious/Mitch/Simms measure up to what we had with IHart.
where are all the minutes coming from? they going to play big again?
i have no idea what the magic are doing.
that roster is screaming for some kind of consolidation trade like Suggs/Anthony/filler for Garland.
as a Nets fan Suggs/Franz as RFAs next year look like appealing targets. Are Magic going to pay both of them with all the money they've given out this year plus a 1/4 $bn banchero extension imminent?
where are all the minutes coming from? they going to play big again?
i have no idea what the magic are doing.
that roster is screaming for some kind of consolidation trade like Suggs/Anthony/filler for Garland.
as a Nets fan Suggs/Franz as RFAs next year look like appealing targets. Are Magic going to pay both of them with all the money they've given out this year plus a 1/4 $bn banchero extension imminent?
Kind of reminds me of the Knicks a couple of years ago
Thanks really good stuff. With the way the Knicks have developed bigs lately really excited to see what they can do with him. At 22 hopefully he can contribute right away.
Has an "inkling" they want to do a lot more of OG at the 5, and they were working towards that before OG got hurt, and then hurt again. If he's going to guard Embiid, who can't he guard.
Specifically mentions a lineup of Deuce-DDV-Hart-Bridges-OG which is kind of crazy but could be super fun.
He also mentions Nick Richards and Walker Kessler as options.
Has an "inkling" they want to do a lot more of OG at the 5, and they were working towards that before OG got hurt, and then hurt again. If he's going to guard Embiid, who can't he guard.
Specifically mentions a lineup of Deuce-DDV-Hart-Bridges-OG which is kind of crazy but could be super fun.
He also mentions Nick Richards and Walker Kessler as options.
He has mentioned this before that Thibs mentioned doing these type of things with OG but he got hurt and whrn he came back it was just about getting him back into the flow
Great link. He reminds me a little of Mitch. I think we may have got a good backup center with the last pick in the 2nd round when we needed one badly.
RE: RE: At this point I’m not that worried about center other than for depth
Purposes in the event that Robinson goes down again. With the roster constructed as is, there is a big time numbers crunch for minutes that clears itself up if Thibs is forced to use OG/Randle at the 5.
If you went into the season expecting 48 minutes from a true center, that only leaves 192 minutes at the other 4 spots to split between everyone. Looking at how these guys should ideally be used you’re looking at the following:
Brunson, Bridges, OG and Randle will each get close to 35 minutes per night.
Hart and Divencenzo will get 25-30 each, and then Deuce probably has earned about 15.
That’s 210 minutes right there, which is 18 minutes too many. Easiest way to clear up the log jam is to give those 18 extra minutes to Randle or OG in some combination at Center.
Figure Mitch should play around 25 per night, and then you bring back Precious to get the other 5 and serve as the emergency plan if Mitch misses time.
I'm not totally sure if I agree with that. Lets say they trade Deuce for Kessler and sign Lowry for vet min:
9 man rotation, 4 starters playing 34 minutes each which isn't a ton. Divencenzo may get a little screwed on the minutes but over the course of the season all 9 of these guys will play plenty
You play the hot hand and when you have back to backs you limit guys like OG and Brunson less minutes. You can also give those guys days off and you know know there will be lesser injuries like sprained ankles and things like that where guys get extra minutes but I don't think DDV will get 29 minutes a game next year closer to lower 20's and OG lower 30's and it depends if the team is really good and blowing teams out the starters come out.
I especially liked the part where it showed him making some nice passes out of the high post. Granted most of them were relatively easy but lets face it, that was the part of Ihart's game that endeared him most to Knicks fans.
Especially since the team was missing a steady facilitator on the second unit after the Quickly trade.
Personally, I think the return of Randle, the addition of Bridges (2.2 career AST/TO ratio), and hopefully some contribution from the 2nd round point guard should alleviate that issue.
Lithuania beat Mexico 96-84 yesterday. PG Rokas Jokubaitis scored 8 points, 6 assists and 3 rebounds on 3/6 shooting over 22 minutes played. Jokubaitis is expected to skip @knicks summer league should Lithuania qualify for the Olympics #Knicks
Ian Begley
@IanBegley
Duke/Creighton alum Alex O’Connell will with Knicks at Summer League, per sources. Knicks have O’Connell’s G League rights & he impressed them during a recent free agent minicamp. They see O’Connell as a strong candidate for an E-10 deal. He played in Serie A last season.
Ian Begley
@IanBegley
Duke/Creighton alum Alex O’Connell will with Knicks at Summer League, per sources. Knicks have O’Connell’s G League rights & he impressed them during a recent free agent minicamp. They see O’Connell as a strong candidate for an E-10 deal. He played in Serie A last season.
Ian Begley
@IanBegley
Duke/Creighton alum Alex O’Connell will with Knicks at Summer League, per sources. Knicks have O’Connell’s G League rights & he impressed them during a recent free agent minicamp. They see O’Connell as a strong candidate for an E-10 deal. He played in Serie A last season.
Ian Begley
@IanBegley
Duke/Creighton alum Alex O’Connell will with Knicks at Summer League, per sources. Knicks have O’Connell’s G League rights & he impressed them during a recent free agent minicamp. They see O’Connell as a strong candidate for an E-10 deal. He played in Serie A last season.
Duke? I'm guessing he didn't start.
14 starts with Duke Link - ( New Window )
Haha, he was on the Zion/RJ/Reddish/Tre Jones superteam. No wonder I never heard of him....though for some reason I remember Jack White.
RE: Apparently Kessler is on Utah's SL team which is
Third year rotation player in SL? Drafting a center and signing a center?
They don't value him. I don't know why, but we should take advantage.
Kessler made last year's FIBA team that Brunson and Hart was on. The pieces don't all align unless there is something behind the scenes and he's a dick to the coaches or a complete lunatic, but that seems unlikely.
Ian Begley
@IanBegley
Duke/Creighton alum Alex O’Connell will with Knicks at Summer League, per sources. Knicks have O’Connell’s G League rights & he impressed them during a recent free agent minicamp. They see O’Connell as a strong candidate for an E-10 deal. He played in Serie A last season.
The Knicks have been a hot topic this offseason. They gave up a boatload of draft picks to get Mikal Bridges from Brooklyn and are bringing back OG Anunoby, giving the title contenders one of the best wing duos in the NBA. That move, though, also puts New York in jeopardy of being hard-capped at the first apron, which, by all accounts, isn’t something the team is interested in.
The Knicks need to shed about $4.3 million to avoid this. Detroit can capitalize on this given its remaining financial flexibility while still addressing needs in the process.
Here is what a trade would have to look like to, potentially, satisfy both sides:
Pistons receive Mitchell Robinson, Miles McBride, a 2025 first-round pick (via Detroit) and multiple future seconds
Knicks receive Jalen Duren and Jaden Ivey
The Knicks have been a hot topic this offseason. They gave up a boatload of draft picks to get Mikal Bridges from Brooklyn and are bringing back OG Anunoby, giving the title contenders one of the best wing duos in the NBA. That move, though, also puts New York in jeopardy of being hard-capped at the first apron, which, by all accounts, isn’t something the team is interested in.
The Knicks need to shed about $4.3 million to avoid this. Detroit can capitalize on this given its remaining financial flexibility while still addressing needs in the process.
Here is what a trade would have to look like to, potentially, satisfy both sides:
Pistons receive Mitchell Robinson, Miles McBride, a 2025 first-round pick (via Detroit) and multiple future seconds
Knicks receive Jalen Duren and Jaden Ivey Link - ( New Window )
Definitely intrigued but not a no brainer for me. It's a lot to give up given that Duren really struggled as a rim protector this years and Ivey has a ways to go in his development. Certainly higher upside players than what the Knicks are giving up, (by quite a bit) but is that a risk a team with title contending aspirations would be willing to make?
The Knicks have been a hot topic this offseason. They gave up a boatload of draft picks to get Mikal Bridges from Brooklyn and are bringing back OG Anunoby, giving the title contenders one of the best wing duos in the NBA. That move, though, also puts New York in jeopardy of being hard-capped at the first apron, which, by all accounts, isn’t something the team is interested in.
The Knicks need to shed about $4.3 million to avoid this. Detroit can capitalize on this given its remaining financial flexibility while still addressing needs in the process.
Here is what a trade would have to look like to, potentially, satisfy both sides:
Pistons receive Mitchell Robinson, Miles McBride, a 2025 first-round pick (via Detroit) and multiple future seconds
Knicks receive Jalen Duren and Jaden Ivey Link - ( New Window )
Oh man...I'd probably do that. I think Deuce and Dadiet and a pick for Kessler is cleaner but Duren is really good and only should get better.
defensively this past year. Given the Knicks success with getting the most out of their bigs, especially defensively maybe they think they can turn him into a really good rim protector but if given the choice I think they'd prefer Kessler.
don't think the Pistons make that trade tbh (not that it's so outstanding for the Knicks upcoming season). I think something like Deuce/Dadiet for Kessler is more realistic (while still unlikely).
defensively this past year. Given the Knicks success with getting the most out of their bigs, especially defensively maybe they think they can turn him into a really good rim protector but if given the choice I think they'd prefer Kessler.
I think you’re probably right, I just hate the spot we’re in currently which is relying on a healthy Mitch for all season and a playoff run.
Leaves them in the same spot of needing another center and they get worse on defense there
Right, but they do gain in:
-athleticism
-durability
-upside
-slight edge in rebounding/scoring
-FT shooting
They get all that from Randle at the 5 in spurts as well. A Duren addition only makes sense either with Mitch or with the trade also including a backup center who is good defensively
Leaves them in the same spot of needing another center and they get worse on defense there
Right, but they do gain in:
-athleticism
-durability
-upside
-slight edge in rebounding/scoring
-FT shooting
They get all that from Randle at the 5 in spurts as well. A Duren addition only makes sense either with Mitch or with the trade also including a backup center who is good defensively
Thibs doesn't really employ a small ball 5 unless absolutely forced to (injuries or foul trouble)
Leaves them in the same spot of needing another center and they get worse on defense there
Right, but they do gain in:
-athleticism
-durability
-upside
-slight edge in rebounding/scoring
-FT shooting
They get all that from Randle at the 5 in spurts as well. A Duren addition only makes sense either with Mitch or with the trade also including a backup center who is good defensively
AJ - anything cooking with Kessler or another center?
Leaves them in the same spot of needing another center and they get worse on defense there
Right, but they do gain in:
-athleticism
-durability
-upside
-slight edge in rebounding/scoring
-FT shooting
They get all that from Randle at the 5 in spurts as well. A Duren addition only makes sense either with Mitch or with the trade also including a backup center who is good defensively
Thibs doesn't really employ a small ball 5 unless absolutely forced to (injuries or foul trouble)
Historically no, but Fred Katz who is as plugged in as it gets suggests they had planned to play some OG small ball 5 before his injuries. Not as a primary backup I'd assume, but situationally sure why not. Could be our best weapon against the Celtics in fact.
Leaves them in the same spot of needing another center and they get worse on defense there
Right, but they do gain in:
-athleticism
-durability
-upside
-slight edge in rebounding/scoring
-FT shooting
They get all that from Randle at the 5 in spurts as well. A Duren addition only makes sense either with Mitch or with the trade also including a backup center who is good defensively
AJ - anything cooking with Kessler or another center?
Bring back Nerlens Noel. I mean, he can't be worse than Sims or Taj at this point. Plus he already knows what's expected playing under Thibs. He's 30 yrs old and probably would be vet min cheap.
Bring back Nerlens Noel. I mean, he can't be worse than Sims or Taj at this point. Plus he already knows what's expected playing under Thibs. He's 30 yrs old and probably would be vet min cheap.
Noel stinks at this point. Precious is a better option by an order of magnitude
we drafted at the end of the 2nd round. He rebounds and rim protects, but he's probably not ready at this point.
Overal I agree because they need to get through the regular season healthier than they did last year and Mitch is going to miss time at some point, probably a minimum of 17-20 games. Come playoff time though I think they'd be fine against anyone they'd go up against with Mitch/Precious. I'd love to upgrade and get Kessler, Richards or someone like that but it may not be feasible. If the asking price on those two are too high, there aren't many options around the league where the Knicks can make the money work without including Donte, Hart, Mitch or Randle.
To say the view of Hukporti is that he’s probably not NBA ready going 58th overall in a poor draft. Sure, players can surprise but higher odds they stash him or give him a two way deal than they expect him to contribute this season
Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
Scratch that, they can't fold Burks into the deal as a sign and trade. Has to be a 3+ year deal to do that.
more and more likely Reed will be waived or traded. He'd be a very solid pickup if waived.
Not sure who has money left but I would think he'd get more than $5M/yr. If the money is close though, he'd be smart to come to the Knicks given the PT and potential to increase his value like a lot of Knicks in recent years
Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
I heard/read that teams can't trade their draft picks from this draft until 30 days have passed. I'm not sure if that applies to both first and second round picks or just 1st rounders though.
Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
I heard/read that teams can't trade their draft picks from this draft until 30 days have passed. I'm not sure if that applies to both first and second round picks or just 1st rounders though.
Yeah that's true once they sign their contracts. It doesn't really make a difference though if it's finalized on 7/6 or 8/6
Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
I heard/read that teams can't trade their draft picks from this draft until 30 days have passed. I'm not sure if that applies to both first and second round picks or just 1st rounders though.
Ironically, a couple of years ago Walker Kessler was traded two weeks after he was drafted or something.
Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
I heard/read that teams can't trade their draft picks from this draft until 30 days have passed. I'm not sure if that applies to both first and second round picks or just 1st rounders though.
Yeah that's true once they sign their contracts. It doesn't really make a difference though if it's finalized on 7/6 or 8/6
Ah, ok. Thanks. So they would have to pay this Hukorti fella a bit more than the usual 2nd round pick gets, right? I saw Jeremy Cohen talking about this on Knicks Film School and on his Twitter/X page.
Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
I heard/read that teams can't trade their draft picks from this draft until 30 days have passed. I'm not sure if that applies to both first and second round picks or just 1st rounders though.
Ironically, a couple of years ago Walker Kessler was traded two weeks after he was drafted or something.
Haha!! Wild man! Was that before he signed his deal though Anakim? From what I'm learning I'm assuming the answer's yes, right?
If you include the Deuce for Kessler component as a three way deal, it's very easy to complete this trade AND not be hard capped at the first apron, since Deuce is making 4.7 mil and Kessler 2.9
Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
I heard/read that teams can't trade their draft picks from this draft until 30 days have passed. I'm not sure if that applies to both first and second round picks or just 1st rounders though.
Ironically, a couple of years ago Walker Kessler was traded two weeks after he was drafted or something.
Haha!! Wild man! Was that before he signed his deal though Anakim? From what I'm learning I'm assuming the answer's yes, right?
Yep, it was before he signed.
"Kessler was selected by the Memphis Grizzlies with the 22nd overall pick before being traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves, alongside TyTy Washington, for Jake LaRavia. On July 6, 2022, two weeks after being drafted, Kessler was traded along with Patrick Beverley, Jarred Vanderbilt, Leandro Bolmaro, Malik Beasley, four future first round picks, and a pick swap to the Utah Jazz in exchange for Rudy Gobert. On July 9, Kessler signed his rookie scale contract with the Jazz."
If you include the Deuce for Kessler component as a three way deal, it's very easy to complete this trade AND not be hard capped at the first apron, since Deuce is making 4.7 mil and Kessler 2.9
Yeah, maybe they expand it to include a third team, or Nets add Sharpe to the deal?
If you include the Deuce for Kessler component as a three way deal, it's very easy to complete this trade AND not be hard capped at the first apron, since Deuce is making 4.7 mil and Kessler 2.9
Is there any indication that this is actually happening, besides the numbers working?
If you include the Deuce for Kessler component as a three way deal, it's very easy to complete this trade AND not be hard capped at the first apron, since Deuce is making 4.7 mil and Kessler 2.9
Is there any indication that this is actually happening, besides the numbers working?
Keith Smith who is pretty reputable despite working for some random online sports publication said the Knicks are working on expanding the deal.
Without bringing IHart back, how imperative is it to avoid the first apron? My understanding is the hard cap is lower, and it's slightly harder to make trades (no sign+trade and 125% -> 110%). Is that debilitating enough to want to send Deuce packing? Wouldn't we potentially reset next off-season?
If you include the Deuce for Kessler component as a three way deal, it's very easy to complete this trade AND not be hard capped at the first apron, since Deuce is making 4.7 mil and Kessler 2.9
Is there any indication that this is actually happening, besides the numbers working?
Keith Smith who is pretty reputable despite working for some random online sports publication said the Knicks are working on expanding the deal.
Adding deuce and Walker is just a theory from me
Yeah I saw that tweet tonight. He was very cryptic though, said in multiple trades were possibly working to expand them and mentioned the Knicks-Nets one as a specific examples but gave no specifics.
I guess the Jarrett Culver thing amounted to nothing
If you include the Deuce for Kessler component as a three way deal, it's very easy to complete this trade AND not be hard capped at the first apron, since Deuce is making 4.7 mil and Kessler 2.9
Is there any indication that this is actually happening, besides the numbers working?
Keith Smith who is pretty reputable despite working for some random online sports publication said the Knicks are working on expanding the deal.
Adding deuce and Walker is just a theory from me
Yeah I saw that tweet tonight. He was very cryptic though, said in multiple trades were possibly working to expand them and mentioned the Knicks-Nets one as a specific examples but gave no specifics.
Reads as spitballing to me. I very much doubt that Keith Smith is the one person who an insider decided to give information to.
Reads as spitballing to me. I very much doubt that Keith Smith is the one person who an insider decided to give information to.
I'm not going to spend my July 4th here defending Keith Smith, but he's got 150k followers on twitter including Marc Stein, Jake Fischer, Begley, Zach Lowe, etc and has broken plenty of news before. He's a reputable source.
Yeah I do believe he's reputable and this could very well be legit
If you include the Deuce for Kessler component as a three way deal, it's very easy to complete this trade AND not be hard capped at the first apron, since Deuce is making 4.7 mil and Kessler 2.9
Is there any indication that this is actually happening, besides the numbers working?
Keith Smith who is pretty reputable despite working for some random online sports publication said the Knicks are working on expanding the deal.
Adding deuce and Walker is just a theory from me
Yeah I saw that tweet tonight. He was very cryptic though, said in multiple trades were possibly working to expand them and mentioned the Knicks-Nets one as a specific examples but gave no specifics.
Reads as spitballing to me. I very much doubt that Keith Smith is the one person who an insider decided to give information to.
Without bringing IHart back, how imperative is it to avoid the first apron? My understanding is the hard cap is lower, and it's slightly harder to make trades (no sign+trade and 125% -> 110%). Is that debilitating enough to want to send Deuce packing? Wouldn't we potentially reset next off-season?
It doesn’t matter as much but it’d still be ideal to avoid getting hardcapped at the 2nd apron. Right now they’re projected to be ~$5M under the first apron. If they resign Precious that would at a minimum eat up most of that and leave them with little room to maneuver in-season.
Knicks are signing and trading Shake Milton to the Nets
This is why I don't try and figure out and worry about the money. Leon has people that are a hell of a lot more knowledgeable about finances and running the cap than BBI.
is not a totally useless player. He was mentioned last offseason as an Obi replacement. He probably is the only non Julius true PF on the roster now if we’re being honest
Per sources, the Nets and Knicks had agreed from the beginning of the Bridges deal that the Knicks wouldn’t be hard capped. This wasn’t an evolution of a trade or reconfiguring or the Nets further helping out the Knicks. It was part of the original price.
is not a totally useless player. He was mentioned last offseason as an Obi replacement. He probably is the only non Julius true PF on the roster now if we’re being honest
Thibs actually drafted him when he was in Minnesota
Unexpected development: The Knicks have signed first-round pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of the rookie scale, league sources say. The move will save the Knicks a significant amount, $904K, under the 2024-25 hard cap. Knicks also paid a buyout to his German team.
Unexpected development: The Knicks have signed first-round pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of the rookie scale, league sources say. The move will save the Knicks a significant amount, $904K, under the 2024-25 hard cap. Knicks also paid a buyout to his German team.
Unexpected development: The Knicks have signed first-round pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of the rookie scale, league sources say. The move will save the Knicks a significant amount, $904K, under the 2024-25 hard cap. Knicks also paid a buyout to his German team.
Unexpected development: The Knicks have signed first-round pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of the rookie scale, league sources say. The move will save the Knicks a significant amount, $904K, under the 2024-25 hard cap. Knicks also paid a buyout to his German team.
This isn't all that surprising to me. Everyone was assuming he was a stash, but nobody told Dadiet that. He showed up to the draft, put the hat on and showed up at the facility the next day. That's not the behavior of a stash. If they are really seriously looking at Kessler, Dadiet probably won't be here long because I bet Ainge would insist on him as part of it.
CP says Knicks are holding a press conference Tuesday for Bridges.
Unexpected development: The Knicks have signed first-round pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of the rookie scale, league sources say. The move will save the Knicks a significant amount, $904K, under the 2024-25 hard cap. Knicks also paid a buyout to his German team.
Unexpected development: The Knicks have signed first-round pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of the rookie scale, league sources say. The move will save the Knicks a significant amount, $904K, under the 2024-25 hard cap. Knicks also paid a buyout to his German team.
Buyout was 850K
The Don is wheeling and dealing.
Knicks were not going into season with just Mitch and Simms.
Unexpected development: The Knicks have signed first-round pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of the rookie scale, league sources say. The move will save the Knicks a significant amount, $904K, under the 2024-25 hard cap. Knicks also paid a buyout to his German team.
Buyout was 850K
The Don is wheeling and dealing.
I mean from the sounds of it the Godfather found a way to pay OG, get Bridges and sign a 1st Rd pick and potentially bring back Precious without getting us hard capped. Sure it sucks losing IHart but that was completely out of our control. Pure genius. I know dealing with Ainge is impossible, but man if we could somehow find a way to pry Kessler away for like Deuce, Dadier + that would be an absolutely insane off season. We'd be one of the few favorites to win it all.
to believe that this Knicks front office, which this entire offseason has been operating at an A+ level, can look at a Mitch, Precious, OG center rotation and decide that that's sufficient.
I'd be stunned if they didn't make a significant add there AND bring Precious back.
to believe that this Knicks front office, which this entire offseason has been operating at an A+ level, can look at a Mitch, Precious, OG center rotation and decide that that's sufficient.
I'd be stunned if they didn't make a significant add there AND bring Precious back.
The Knicks can survive the first part of the season with Mitch/Precious and Sims at the 5. They may not add a significant big until the trade deadline or after someone is bought out. The Knicks are deep. They’ll be fine.
to believe that this Knicks front office, which this entire offseason has been operating at an A+ level, can look at a Mitch, Precious, OG center rotation and decide that that's sufficient.
I'd be stunned if they didn't make a significant add there AND bring Precious back.
The Knicks can survive the first part of the season with Mitch/Precious and Sims at the 5. They may not add a significant big until the trade deadline or after someone is bought out. The Knicks are deep. They’ll be fine.
And then they go into the trade deadline desperate for a move? No thanks.
At the very least go get Nick Richards for cheap, but I really want to see us trade for Kessler.
to believe that this Knicks front office, which this entire offseason has been operating at an A+ level, can look at a Mitch, Precious, OG center rotation and decide that that's sufficient.
I'd be stunned if they didn't make a significant add there AND bring Precious back.
The Knicks can survive the first part of the season with Mitch/Precious and Sims at the 5. They may not add a significant big until the trade deadline or after someone is bought out. The Knicks are deep. They’ll be fine.
Can they? We don't know Mitch's health, but it's safe to say he'll get injured sometime during the season. Precious is undersized and Sims is a jumping bean. They need to add a legit C.
Knicks would likely have to trade Deuce right now for any center of
Significance. I don’t think they want to trade him and I can’t blame them. The Knicks front office will figure it out. They are elite. I’m not worried.
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The Knicks have signed Tyler Kolek to a four-year, $9.06M contract, league source said. Team option on the fourth year. First three years guaranteed.
Unexpected development: The Knicks have signed first-round pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of the rookie scale, league sources say. The move will save the Knicks a significant amount, $904K, under the 2024-25 hard cap. Knicks also paid a buyout to his German team.
Buyout was 850K
The Don is wheeling and dealing.
I mean from the sounds of it the Godfather found a way to pay OG, get Bridges and sign a 1st Rd pick and potentially bring back Precious without getting us hard capped. Sure it sucks losing IHart but that was completely out of our control. Pure genius. I know dealing with Ainge is impossible, but man if we could somehow find a way to pry Kessler away for like Deuce, Dadier + that would be an absolutely insane off season. We'd be one of the few favorites to win it all.
They can't trade Dadier for 30 days now that they signed him. But Deuce, Sims, Rokas and one of our protected firsts next year for Kessler could work?
to believe that this Knicks front office, which this entire offseason has been operating at an A+ level, can look at a Mitch, Precious, OG center rotation and decide that that's sufficient.
I'd be stunned if they didn't make a significant add there AND bring Precious back.
Watch what their doing with contracts to match or exceed the contracts of prospective centers. I could see them making a trade during the middle of the year.
to believe that this Knicks front office, which this entire offseason has been operating at an A+ level, can look at a Mitch, Precious, OG center rotation and decide that that's sufficient.
I'd be stunned if they didn't make a significant add there AND bring Precious back.
Watch what their doing with contracts to match or exceed the contracts of prospective centers. I could see them making a trade during the middle of the year.
Which contracts? The only one they gave out so far was OG? Or are you saying for a future Randle extension?
this yesterday but Begley specifically mentions Walker Kessler in talks for a center acquisition, and only Kessler.
Trying not to get too excited here but I do feel like Begley has been very much on point the entire offseason so far. He was first with the iHart leaving rumors, remained confident in OG staying. I think he has some good sources in the org. Link - ( New Window )
this yesterday but Begley specifically mentions Walker Kessler in talks for a center acquisition, and only Kessler.
Trying not to get too excited here but I do feel like Begley has been very much on point the entire offseason so far. He was first with the iHart leaving rumors, remained confident in OG staying. I think he has some good sources in the org. Link - ( New Window )
Deuce, Sims, Rokas, and one of our protected firsts next year for Kessler could work.
this yesterday but Begley specifically mentions Walker Kessler in talks for a center acquisition, and only Kessler.
Trying not to get too excited here but I do feel like Begley has been very much on point the entire offseason so far. He was first with the iHart leaving rumors, remained confident in OG staying. I think he has some good sources in the org. Link - ( New Window )
Deuce, Sims, Rokas, and one of our protected firsts next year for Kessler could work.
Knicks aren’t trading Deuce unless it’s for a legitimate starting center, which Kessler is not at this point in his career. Utah was unhappy with Kessler last season. Deuce is on a steal of a contract, is young, is an excellent defender and already shoots 40% from 3.
I think the Knicks resign Precious and likely will make an in season trade to bolster the front line or keep the MLE open for when a big gets bought out.
this yesterday but Begley specifically mentions Walker Kessler in talks for a center acquisition, and only Kessler.
Trying not to get too excited here but I do feel like Begley has been very much on point the entire offseason so far. He was first with the iHart leaving rumors, remained confident in OG staying. I think he has some good sources in the org. Link - ( New Window )
Deuce, Sims, Rokas, and one of our protected firsts next year for Kessler could work.
Knicks aren’t trading Deuce unless it’s for a legitimate starting center, which Kessler is not at this point in his career. Utah was unhappy with Kessler last season. Deuce is on a steal of a contract, is young, is an excellent defender and already shoots 40% from 3.
I think the Knicks resign Precious and likely will make an in season trade to bolster the front line or keep the MLE open for when a big gets bought out.
They won't trade a backup PG who can't run an offense for a backup center on an even better contract and more years of team control since he's a restricted FA?
Idk, we'll see. I think people are overrating Deuce a bit here.
Either way I'm not so sure the Jazz would want him. They won't be good by the time he's going to be a FA. I could see them asking for Dadiet, Sims and future picks.
Yeah Deuce is expendable in the right deal at this point.
with Bridges pushing DD back to the bench and Randle back pushing Hart to the bench Deuce's role is reduced at this point. Of course injuries happen, but also don't forget Kolek is 23 going on 24 in March. He's not some 19 or 20 year old. If Ainge likes Deuce and would take him as a key piece in a deal for Kessler you have to do it.
considering it's Ainge, I'm not optimistic about getting him. Also, if you're trading Deuce, I would think that they wouldn't have to trade actual draft capital as Deuce has proven to be a top 6 player on a good team on a crazy contract.
ESPN Sources: Orlando Magic forward Franz Wagner has agreed on a five-year, $224 million maximum rookie contract extension – a deal that could become worth as much as $269 million.
I don't know what the hell the Magic are doing but if Leon gets just Brunson on a team friendly extension we are lucky
Wagner is eligible to earn 30 percent of the team’s salary cap should he get voted to the All-NBA team, sources said. Wagner’s agent Jason Glushon completed negotiations on the deal over the July 4th holiday.
Wagner is eligible to earn 30 percent of the team’s salary cap should he get voted to the All-NBA team, sources said. Wagner’s agent Jason Glushon completed negotiations on the deal over the July 4th holiday.
It's it me or is this a bad deal?
This is a fun max deal. They're expecting growth from him, even though he was not a good shooter last year they must think that he is still developing.
It's a big deal, but even if his shooting doesn't return to form, you can trade him as he's a young player. I think a lot of these teams feel like they have to pay these guys as a show of good faith.
Wagner is eligible to earn 30 percent of the team’s salary cap should he get voted to the All-NBA team, sources said. Wagner’s agent Jason Glushon completed negotiations on the deal over the July 4th holiday.
It's it me or is this a bad deal?
These past 6 months really hammered home just how great Rose and his people are running the Knicks. Listen I'm not killing Wagner he's a nice young player and probably a cornerstone guy there. However with this CBA teams continue to hand out 50-60 mill/per deals like it's candy. Meanwhile Leon treats every dollar of every deal meticulously like it's the end of the world. We're really lucky after all the endless shit shows.
Says the 76ers have 3 better players than anyone on the Knicks. Someone want to say it? FU!
And even if we want to pretend that is the case, the next what, 8 or 9 best players are all Knicks? Great, the Sixers are top heavy and the rest of their roster is absolute trash. The “Big 3” with league minimum players built around them doesn’t work in the NBA anymore. And star obsessed Daryl Morey STILL hasn’t figured that out. And apparently neither has a portion of the media
"Knicks’ contract with rookie Tyler Kolek sets NBA record with most guaranteed money ($6.6M) for a
second-round pick. Prior record was Andrew Nembhard’s $6.4M. Kolek’s Knicks deal is the most a team can pay a second rounder under the second round exception."
This is why I think they could move Deuce for a C. They obviously think a lot of Kolek. I know he's a rookie, but he's 23. If he is part of the rotation as the season goes along between him, Bridges, DD, and Hart Deuce could be the odd man out.
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
They don’t have the ammunition to make a trade for a big fish like that unless a team really desires Julius Randle. The other possibility is if they trade Mitch for a healthier big who has more of the offensive skill set that Hartenstein had. Otherwise, what can Deuce, a couple protected first rounders and a few second rounders really get the Knicks? Definitely not Anthony Davis.
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
They don’t have the ammunition to make a trade for a big fish like that unless a team really desires Julius Randle. The other possibility is if they trade Mitch for a healthier big who has more of the offensive skill set that Hartenstein had. Otherwise, what can Deuce, a couple protected first rounders and a few second rounders really get the Knicks? Definitely not Anthony Davis.
Mitch, Randle, Deuce, 2 protected picks, 1 unprotected future pick and a couple swaps doesn't move the needle for AD?
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
They don’t have the ammunition to make a trade for a big fish like that unless a team really desires Julius Randle. The other possibility is if they trade Mitch for a healthier big who has more of the offensive skill set that Hartenstein had. Otherwise, what can Deuce, a couple protected first rounders and a few second rounders really get the Knicks? Definitely not Anthony Davis.
Mitch, Randle, Deuce, 2 protected picks, 1 unprotected future pick and a couple swaps doesn't move the needle for AD?
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
They don’t have the ammunition to make a trade for a big fish like that unless a team really desires Julius Randle. The other possibility is if they trade Mitch for a healthier big who has more of the offensive skill set that Hartenstein had. Otherwise, what can Deuce, a couple protected first rounders and a few second rounders really get the Knicks? Definitely not Anthony Davis.
Mitch, Randle, Deuce, 2 protected picks, 1 unprotected future pick and a couple swaps doesn't move the needle for AD?
Why would the Lakers make that trade?
I have no idea, probably wouldn't, but your previous point was that they don't have ammunition. I don't think that's true.
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
They don’t have the ammunition to make a trade for a big fish like that unless a team really desires Julius Randle. The other possibility is if they trade Mitch for a healthier big who has more of the offensive skill set that Hartenstein had. Otherwise, what can Deuce, a couple protected first rounders and a few second rounders really get the Knicks? Definitely not Anthony Davis.
Mitch, Randle, Deuce, 2 protected picks, 1 unprotected future pick and a couple swaps doesn't move the needle for AD?
Why would the Lakers make that trade?
I have no idea, probably wouldn't, but your previous point was that they don't have ammunition. I don't think that's true.
If that’s the most the Knicks can realistically offer and you concede the Lakers probably wouldn’t make the trade then how can you argue that the Knicks have the ammunition to trade for AD?
note, we have quite a few breadcrumbs to expect AD to the Knicks could be in the mix in the future.
1. ajr mentioned him as a target (correct me if I'm wrong)
2. Knicks were one of two destinations he was into when he left New Orleans
3. Craig Carton (complete jabroni) said AD was the Knicks' prime target
4. Kendrick Perkins keeps mentioning AD as someone who may ask out
Lakers aren't a real threat to win a title this year with limited flexibility moving forward. It's not likely but also not the craziest thing to suggest he may want out and the Knicks will be right there.
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
Does he actually have sources? I don’t remember any rumors or anything that came to fruition that he was the first guy to break or report on.
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
Does he actually have sources? I don’t remember any rumors or anything that came to fruition that he was the first guy to break or report on.
Not sure, I don't think he's broken news before but he doesn't seem to be the shit stirring type like Robert Randolph lol
The final year of Isaiah Hartenstein’s three-year contract with the Thunder is a team option, league source says. It’s decreasing, as @SbondyNBA previously reported, and pays him ~$58 million guaranteed in the first two seasons.
So they basically had to offer him double what the Knicks could to steal him
Seeing the structure of the deal, I don’t see it as a slam dunk for Hartenstein. There is a bit of him betting on himself here as he turned down a guaranteed $72 mil from the Knicks for only 58.5 guaranteed in OKC. With extensions on the horizon for a lot of their young guys I have a hard time seeing them pick up that year 3 option for Hartenstein.
So they basically had to offer him double what the Knicks could to steal him
Seeing the structure of the deal, I don’t see it as a slam dunk for Hartenstein. There is a bit of him betting on himself here as he turned down a guaranteed $72 mil from the Knicks for only 58.5 guaranteed in OKC. With extensions on the horizon for a lot of their young guys I have a hard time seeing them pick up that year 3 option for Hartenstein.
Even if so he'd need to average 7 mil per year to equal the Knicks' offer. Plus the income tax difference
So they basically had to offer him double what the Knicks could to steal him
Just about. I wouldn't be surprised to see iHart a Knick again in two years when Mitch's contract runs out and when the Thunder can decline their team option on iHart.
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: The Sacramento Kings are agreed on a sign-and-trade that will land DeMar DeRozan on a three-year deal, send Harrison Barnes to the San Antonio Spurs and Chris Duarte, two second-round picks and cash to the Chicago Bulls.
Martin to the Sixers. That's an annoyingly good pickup.
Still probably wouldn't break into our rotation but he's playable.
And they cut Paul Reed. Could be someone of interest...
Reed would be a great fit. He's more of a center than Precious, who I keep reading could be our backup C. And although I hope they do resign him, he's more of a PF than C,but would fit nicely on the bench. Bringing in both Reed & Precious would give them more size, which they need!
Mitch, Nick Richards and BBall Paul could do a job and keep our powder dry for one more big trade.
My main issue with Paul Reed is that we basically rendered unplayable in the playoffs but their bench was so bad I’m not sure how much blame should fall on him
Mitch, Nick Richards and BBall Paul could do a job and keep our powder dry for one more big trade.
My main issue with Paul Reed is that we basically rendered unplayable in the playoffs but their bench was so bad I’m not sure how much blame should fall on him
Reed is interesting in that he looked really bad in the Knicks series, but like you said, there were circumstances that likely contributed. His regular season numbers were actually pretty good last season. Heck, he even hit some threes. In the playoffs, because the Sixers were so heavily dependent on Embiid and Maxey to score points, any minutes Reed played were significantly stacked in the Knicks favor. Plus, Reed’s playoff numbers the previous two seasons were much better in larger sample sizes. On the Knicks as presently constructed, scoring would be the least of Reed’s concerns. Defense and rebounding would be his main focus.
For a small deal, he looks good to me.
Reed looked bad in the Knicks series. Plain and simple.
The previous poster makes a good point about his role with the Knicks being different (defense and rebounding) than it was with the Sixers (more scoring), especially in the series they just played a couple of months ago. He's probably a slight upgrade over Jericho Sims in my mind at this point, and I'm not even sure about that.
I'd probably take Reed for a year at the mid-level exception ($5.2 M), but still try and get a guy like Nick Richards from Charlotte to start the season. The only reason I'm not mentioning Walker Kessler now is because it's very likely that Ainge will see the Knicks' desperation to acquire a big man and hold their feet to the coals as a result. Richards is a guy who would be easier to acquire I believe at this point.
Having said all that I would be content to start the season with Mitch, Richards, and Reed--in that order of depth--as the Knicks' Centers to start the season (I know Reed isn't really a Center, but I'm listing him as one nonetheless). If they only got Richards and kept Sims as the 3rd Center I'd be ok with that too since I only view Reed as a slight upgrade over Sims. The long-term goal of acquiring Walker Kessler would still be something I think they'd clearly look at as the season goes along. In a perfect world, I'd like the Knicks to sign Walker Kessler to be their starting Center in two years when he's a RFA & Mitch's an UFA----fat chance it's happening though. Realistically, if you want him, you're gonna have to trade for him.
fans seem happy Reed is gone. The consensus seems to be he's a low IQ player, prone to playing out of control. That being said, as a depth 5, he's probably as good as anybody they can realistically add right now.
fans seem happy Reed is gone. The consensus seems to be he's a low IQ player, prone to playing out of control. That being said, as a depth 5, he's probably as good as anybody they can realistically add right now.
I saw some of their comments on reddit or something. They don't seem to be crazy about him. He'd be ok as depth at the 5 spot, but just barely. He doesn't move the needle that much, if it all.
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Rokas Jokubaitis is now more likely to join the Knicks for NBA Summer League in Las Vegas, as Lithuania's loss today eliminated them from Olympic contention
In June, Jokubaitis' agent told
@nypost
that his client would "strongly consider" joining the Knicks should Lithuania fail to qualify for Olympic play.
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Rokas Jokubaitis is now more likely to join the Knicks for NBA Summer League in Las Vegas, as Lithuania's loss today eliminated them from Olympic contention
In June, Jokubaitis' agent told
@nypost
that his client would "strongly consider" joining the Knicks should Lithuania fail to qualify for Olympic play.
That would be good. We have the rookie but having Rokas too would be nice. Still not sold on Deuce as a PG, although he's shown he has value as a smallish 3 and D guard. Need a solid backup for Brunson.
for a true backup PG. With Randle back and Donte going to the 2nd unit it will be less of a need. But it is always good to have depth. I suspect a trade for big will come sometime this summer. Precious would have been signed already otherwise.
It’s possible that the Knicks may be waiting for Markannen to be
traded. Utah may not be able to or want to deal Kessler until a Markannen deal is done. If this week goes by and the Knicks don’t sign Precious or Paul Reed, I’ll find that very curious/
we've been hearing about him for years like he's some budding superstar. I know he's only 23 but he's been playing in Europe for 3 or 4 years now right? He's stuck on 15-20 minutes a night. What would his ceiling in the NBA be? Pablo Prigioni? meh. Excuse me if I'm not waiting with baited breath to see him in the summer league where we've seen him already and he was inconsistent at best. There's little to no minutes for him on this current Knicks roster. I'd throw him in a trade if we can.
RE: It’s possible that the Knicks may be waiting for Markannen to be
traded. Utah may not be able to or want to deal Kessler until a Markannen deal is done. If this week goes by and the Knicks don’t sign Precious or Paul Reed, I’ll find that very curious/
Also its 3 or 4 weeks before we can put Dadier in a trade if we want to so that could push things back.
Unlikely the Knicks would bring over Rokas with Brunson, Kolek (received 3 guaranteed seasons despite being a second round pick) with an NBA ready skillset + Deuce. Doesn’t make a ton of sense for Rokas either.
Unlikely the Knicks would bring over Rokas with Brunson, Kolek (received 3 guaranteed seasons despite being a second round pick) with an NBA ready skillset + Deuce. Doesn’t make a ton of sense for Rokas either.
It would be great if Rokas plays really well in the Summer League, which makes him a valuable asset in a trade for a center. Not much need for him on the roster with Deuce and Kolek both under contract for at least three years.
Unlikely the Knicks would bring over Rokas with Brunson, Kolek (received 3 guaranteed seasons despite being a second round pick) with an NBA ready skillset + Deuce. Doesn’t make a ton of sense for Rokas either.
It would be great if Rokas plays really well in the Summer League, which makes him a valuable asset in a trade for a center. Not much need for him on the roster with Deuce and Kolek both under contract for at least three years.
+1
RE: It’s possible that the Knicks may be waiting for Markannen to be
traded. Utah may not be able to or want to deal Kessler until a Markannen deal is done. If this week goes by and the Knicks don’t sign Precious or Paul Reed, I’ll find that very curious/
Yeah I agree with this. Once Lauri goes I could see Kessler, Clarkson, Sexton, John Collins, basically every vet they have go pretty soon after.
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
Does he actually have sources? I don’t remember any rumors or anything that came to fruition that he was the first guy to break or report on.
I think he has sources, but it's probably from talking to other media members. He had the IHart signing early on, but said "Someone to watch out for". So he didn't report it, but he knew. I don't think he pulled that name out of a hat or anything.
Knicks obviously couldn't have known Atkinson was going to land the Cavs job but they did add Mo Cheeks to the staff so they may have had an inkling Bryant was a hot commodity.
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An article for Spain's Diario SPORT claims Rokas Jokubaitis is confirmed to join the Knicks for NBA Summer League in Las Vegas
The article states Jokubaitis was given the green light from his pro club Barça
I forgot Embiid was playing for the US in the Olympics this year
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“Moved v quickly…could tell how interested they were…Mikal didn’t know til I called…That Mikal wanted to leave or requested trade couldn’t be further from truth…Not in Mikal’s character, not who he is”
— Nets Sean Marks on Knicks Mikal Bridges trade
Paul George opened up about his negotiations with the Clippers
A perfect shot directly into the area of need. OG was like that and Bridges is like part 2. He's such a seamless perfect fit for what we need and what you need to win in the league. Very excited to see this team in the court.
reminds me a lot of OG and I think he can have a similar impact. I also think OG would have similar struggles if traded to a bad team and expected to be "the man". Suddenly he wouldn't look as good.
Good discussion about eh backup Center situation as well as the other associated factors that surround it...
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In this episode, Jon & Jeremy are back to discuss the latest week of Knicks news before one final (?) Cap Or No Cap covering all the options that remain for the backup center position.
TIMESTAMPS:
04:48 - Johnny Bryant Leaves For Cleveland
08:48 - Knicks Sign Dadiet, Kolek To Contracts
11:27 - The Mikal Bridges Trade Is Finalized
15:34 - CAP OR NO CAP? (4.0) - Backup Center Of Attention
49:04 - LOOK AHEAD: Will Julius Randle Be Extended This Summer?
reminds me a lot of OG and I think he can have a similar impact. I also think OG would have similar struggles if traded to a bad team and expected to be "the man". Suddenly he wouldn't look as good.
I certainly don't disagree with anything you said, but I think there's good reason to believe Bridges right now is a better scorer than OG will ever be.
I am actually pretty disappointed with just how bad OG's ball handling is. If he even had a mediocre handle, he basically has the body type and shooting ability to be a mini Kawhi on offense. But instead he takes three dribbles and the ball is going off his foot.
pull up shot and he has that little fade from 15 feet but his dribble drive game is not very good..
Bridges can score at all 3 levels when given the oppurtunity, i think you will see a lot of bench lineups being Divo, Hart, Bridges, OG and backup center
Being a #1 option in Brooklyn was asking too much, and being a #4 option in Phoenix was asking too little of him - he’s gonna settle right into the #3 option here and thrive in it. And when OG misses time, you put Donte back in the starting lineup, slide Mikal to SF, and win with that lineup.
story but he claims the Knicks prefer Precious at PF to C. I'm not surprised by this. Thibs really likes legit 7 footers who can dominate the paint. Precious isn't that.
I do think a Lauri deal is holding up a Kessler trade, but that is still my bet as to what happens.
story but he claims the Knicks prefer Precious at PF to C. I'm not surprised by this. Thibs really likes legit 7 footers who can dominate the paint. Precious isn't that.
I do think a Lauri deal is holding up a Kessler trade, but that is still my bet as to what happens.
But with the current roster construction, where are those Precious minutes at the 4 coming from? With Hart, DDV, and Deuce on the bench, OG is definitely gonna get backup 4 playing time. Precious handled himself well at the 5 last season. I understand wanting more size at the position, but Precious as a 4? Don’t get that.
story but he claims the Knicks prefer Precious at PF to C. I'm not surprised by this. Thibs really likes legit 7 footers who can dominate the paint. Precious isn't that.
I do think a Lauri deal is holding up a Kessler trade, but that is still my bet as to what happens.
But with the current roster construction, where are those Precious minutes at the 4 coming from? With Hart, DDV, and Deuce on the bench, OG is definitely gonna get backup 4 playing time. Precious handled himself well at the 5 last season. I understand wanting more size at the position, but Precious as a 4? Don’t get that.
I'm...not worried about Precious leaving personally. Like he's fine, but he is a classic tweener. Can't shoot enough to play the 4 but is too small to play the 5. I won't be sad if he moves on. If he's back, he's fine as a third string PF/C swing but that's about it imo.
They can trade him in 30 days, but it's unlikely at this point. I think McCullar Jr. is the one to keep an eye on in a trade now for a backup Center along with a S&T w/Precious.
Good discussion about eh backup Center situation as well as the other associated factors that surround it...
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In this episode, Jon & Jeremy are back to discuss the latest week of Knicks news before one final (?) Cap Or No Cap covering all the options that remain for the backup center position.
TIMESTAMPS:
04:48 - Johnny Bryant Leaves For Cleveland
08:48 - Knicks Sign Dadiet, Kolek To Contracts
11:27 - The Mikal Bridges Trade Is Finalized
15:34 - CAP OR NO CAP? (4.0) - Backup Center Of Attention
49:04 - LOOK AHEAD: Will Julius Randle Be Extended This Summer?
KFS POD | Cap Or No Cap? (4.0) - Backup Center of Attention - Knicks Film School - ( New Window )
last night against Kessler. Something like 14/15/4 blocks including a tip in to tie the game with seconds left. He very well may be an impact player in the NBA.
Walker with a quiet 5 blocks 2 steals in 33 minutes.
last night against Kessler. Something like 14/15/4 blocks including a tip in to tie the game with seconds left. He very well may be an impact player in the NBA.
Walker with a quiet 5 blocks 2 steals in 33 minutes.
I don't know why people don't think Edey won't be successful top tier Center in the NBA. I know what the knocks on him are, but in a decent system, he'll be superb. Imagine him with Thibs? "Wow!", would be all I have to say if that had happened.
Never thought Edey falling to the Knicks (particularly in such a weak draft) was realistic. His positives are quite strong and with the right coach/team his deficiencies will be better hidden. Hes going to be a very good player.
last night against Kessler. Something like 14/15/4 blocks including a tip in to tie the game with seconds left. He very well may be an impact player in the NBA.
Walker with a quiet 5 blocks 2 steals in 33 minutes.
I don't know why people don't think Edey won't be successful top tier Center in the NBA. I know what the knocks on him are, but in a decent system, he'll be superb. Imagine him with Thibs? "Wow!", would be all I have to say if that had happened.
I think people think Edey wont be able to keep up with faster players and a faster pace he may struggle defensively in the playoffs if they go against a team with a stretch 5..
last night against Kessler. Something like 14/15/4 blocks including a tip in to tie the game with seconds left. He very well may be an impact player in the NBA.
Walker with a quiet 5 blocks 2 steals in 33 minutes.
Watched much of the game. Nice 5 blocks but other than that, didn't see Kessler as a player you'd trade the farm for. Of course, on the Knicks maybe good D would be sufficient.
last night against Kessler. Something like 14/15/4 blocks including a tip in to tie the game with seconds left. He very well may be an impact player in the NBA.
Walker with a quiet 5 blocks 2 steals in 33 minutes.
I don't know why people don't think Edey won't be successful top tier Center in the NBA. I know what the knocks on him are, but in a decent system, he'll be superb. Imagine him with Thibs? "Wow!", would be all I have to say if that had happened.
I think people think Edey wont be able to keep up with faster players and a faster pace he may struggle defensively in the playoffs if they go against a team with a stretch 5..
I know that, but then a team like the Knicks would know how accentuate his positives and his his weaknesses since he'd be expected to rebound, protect the rim, and play interior D. Getting him out to the perimeter against big men who can move and being forced to use his feet on the perimeter are No-Nos of course.
P.S. There was no way in Hell I ever would have expected Edey to fall to the Knicks in the mid-20s, nor did the Knicks have enough ammo to go up and get him. He was a sure fire lottery pick. I was surprised he went at 9, as were many others. I thought he'd get picked in the early teens.
to pass on, he has the ability to be an impossible player to guard at times..
It will be interesting to see how his game develops, can he develop kind of like Brook Lopez did
I can't remember. Did Brook have a perimeter game coming out of Stanford? I know Robin didn't. Did Brook develop his 3 ball and perimeter shooting in the pros or did he have them at Stanford?
to pass on, he has the ability to be an impossible player to guard at times..
It will be interesting to see how his game develops, can he develop kind of like Brook Lopez did
I can't remember. Did Brook have a perimeter game coming out of Stanford? I know Robin didn't. Did Brook develop his 3 ball and perimeter shooting in the pros or did he have them at Stanford?
He developed the 3 point shot in the pros, he didnt shoot many if any with the Nets
I doubt Kessler is all that enthused about playing summer league ball. And he probably has one foot out the door of Utah anyway, given the rumors swirling.
I doubt Kessler is all that enthused about playing summer league ball. And he probably has one foot out the door of Utah anyway, given the rumors swirling.
Kessler needs to toss a towel in Ainge's face...
being a Maryland grad I watched Edy a lot over the years in the B1G
In person a bit too. He really was a throwback college guy in that he stayed the 4 years and really improved his game year by year. He flirted with entering the draft last year and took the advice to go back and work on increasing his range a bit this past season. He's not a stretch 5 at this point of course but he did develop a little mid range shot this year and I agree that I could definitely see him developing his perimeter game as a pro. The lack of foot speed will hurt his defense especially on the perimeter.
Walker Kessler needs to take a page outta Big Shot Bob's book...
but this year's should be the most fun one to watch in awhile. Dadier, Kolek, Hukporti, McCullar jr along with Rokas will definitely be something to sink our teeth into. Especially after last year's snooze fest of a team.
RE: I know the Knicks have had fun summer teams before
but this year's should be the most fun one to watch in awhile. Dadier, Kolek, Hukporti, McCullar jr along with Rokas will definitely be something to sink our teeth into. Especially after last year's snooze fest of a team.
The Kevin Knox or the Michael Sweetney/Maciej Lampe years were clearly more bitable.
RE: RE: I know the Knicks have had fun summer teams before
but this year's should be the most fun one to watch in awhile. Dadier, Kolek, Hukporti, McCullar jr along with Rokas will definitely be something to sink our teeth into. Especially after last year's snooze fest of a team.
The Kevin Knox or the Michael Sweetney/Maciej Lampe years were clearly more bitable.
The best ever was Porzingis. He was like the summer league hall of fame Knick. In 2 weeks we went from like who is this idiot Jackson drafted??? to holy shit he's a future HOF'er!!
RE: RE: I know the Knicks have had fun summer teams before
but this year's should be the most fun one to watch in awhile. Dadier, Kolek, Hukporti, McCullar jr along with Rokas will definitely be something to sink our teeth into. Especially after last year's snooze fest of a team.
The Kevin Knox or the Michael Sweetney/Maciej Lampe years were clearly more bitable.
I went to the Summer League Knox's rookie year. Left there thinking we had the next Jayson Tatum. Bought the jersey and everything. Oops
RE: I know the Knicks have had fun summer teams before
but this year's should be the most fun one to watch in awhile. Dadier, Kolek, Hukporti, McCullar jr along with Rokas will definitely be something to sink our teeth into. Especially after last year's snooze fest of a team.
Last season was the first in recent memory where I didn't watch a single minute.
RE: RE: I know the Knicks have had fun summer teams before
but this year's should be the most fun one to watch in awhile. Dadier, Kolek, Hukporti, McCullar jr along with Rokas will definitely be something to sink our teeth into. Especially after last year's snooze fest of a team.
Last season was the first in recent memory where I didn't watch a single minute.
I watched a little bit as I was hoping that a sleeper would emerged. However, it was a collection of inconsistent shooters and limited playmakers who busted their butts on defense.
and seemed skeptical the Knicks would meet the price.
Ainge will ask for a first and some team will give it and then he'll ask for a top 50 player and some team will give it and he'll ask for your first born. I'd like every team to take him to the edge and tell him to pound sand leaving him with nothing
Didn't want him...IMHO the Knicks are trading for Richards. Ainge and his desire to dominate every trade isn't worth it.
Now CP the Franchise is saying they're interested in KAT but we have no moveable firsts plus Julius, Mitch & Deuce don't equal his salary. Have to send out more than we take back or be hard capped at the first apron.
The Knicks have to send out more than they get and the Wolves can't take more or aggregate or they get hard capped at the second and that won't work. Must be at least a 3 team
KAT to Knicks
Randle, Ivey to Wolves
Mitch to Pistons
Works under the cap, not sure if KAT is worth Randle and Mitch, but you can go 5 out with Brunson-DVO-Bridges-OG-KAT and holy shit what an offensive juggernaut with the two best wing defenders in the league?
Just have to hope KAT stays healthy and holds up defensively. Need a backup 5 even more now too.
I just don't see any other combination of players to trade besides Mitch and Julius
Whatever their flaws, they're part of the core for this year. I think we'll make an MLE-level type deal for one of the backups who may be available for trade. Maybe move Deuce or Dadiet (sp?), but not Mitch or Julius.
KAT to Knicks
Randle, Ivey to Wolves
Mitch to Pistons
Works under the cap, not sure if KAT is worth Randle and Mitch, but you can go 5 out with Brunson-DVO-Bridges-OG-KAT and holy shit what an offensive juggernaut with the two best wing defenders in the league?
Just have to hope KAT stays healthy and holds up defensively. Need a backup 5 even more now too.
I just don't see any other combination of players to trade besides Mitch and Julius
Knicks need to send out more. KAT is 49 while Julius and Mitch are 43/44. Still would need a back up 5
KAT to Knicks
Randle, Ivey to Wolves
Mitch to Pistons
Works under the cap, not sure if KAT is worth Randle and Mitch, but you can go 5 out with Brunson-DVO-Bridges-OG-KAT and holy shit what an offensive juggernaut with the two best wing defenders in the league?
Just have to hope KAT stays healthy and holds up defensively. Need a backup 5 even more now too.
I just don't see any other combination of players to trade besides Mitch and Julius
Knicks need to send out more. KAT is 49 while Julius and Mitch are 43/44. Still would need a back up 5
I believe that trade would send them past the first apron into the second apron and hardcap them there, which I think is okay.
But yeah backup 5 is a big issue. They might be able to use a trade player exception and a pick for Richards?
KAT to Knicks
Randle, Ivey to Wolves
Mitch to Pistons
Works under the cap, not sure if KAT is worth Randle and Mitch, but you can go 5 out with Brunson-DVO-Bridges-OG-KAT and holy shit what an offensive juggernaut with the two best wing defenders in the league?
Just have to hope KAT stays healthy and holds up defensively. Need a backup 5 even more now too.
I just don't see any other combination of players to trade besides Mitch and Julius
Knicks need to send out more. KAT is 49 while Julius and Mitch are 43/44. Still would need a back up 5
I believe that trade would send them past the first apron into the second apron and hardcap them there, which I think is okay.
But yeah backup 5 is a big issue. They might be able to use a trade player exception and a pick for Richards?
They're way past the second apron but not hard capped. They can't get hard capped as their books are a mess. If this is real a third team has to get involved
KAT to Knicks
Randle, Ivey to Wolves
Mitch to Pistons
Works under the cap, not sure if KAT is worth Randle and Mitch, but you can go 5 out with Brunson-DVO-Bridges-OG-KAT and holy shit what an offensive juggernaut with the two best wing defenders in the league?
Just have to hope KAT stays healthy and holds up defensively. Need a backup 5 even more now too.
I just don't see any other combination of players to trade besides Mitch and Julius
Knicks need to send out more. KAT is 49 while Julius and Mitch are 43/44. Still would need a back up 5
I believe that trade would send them past the first apron into the second apron and hardcap them there, which I think is okay.
But yeah backup 5 is a big issue. They might be able to use a trade player exception and a pick for Richards?
They're way past the second apron but not hard capped. They can't get hard capped as their books are a mess. If this is real a third team has to get involved
Not the Wolves, the Knicks would go into the first apron with this trade and be capped at the second.
but I really respect what Jeremy Cohen does - the long-form stuff on KFS and the real-time reactions on Twitter whenever rumors surface or news breaks. Maybe there is something to the KAT stuff.
but I really respect what Jeremy Cohen does - the long-form stuff on KFS and the real-time reactions on Twitter whenever rumors surface or news breaks. Maybe there is something to the KAT stuff.
He does a real good job dumbing it down. I appreciate it but I agree it can be boring. It seems deals you could do last year can't be done this year.
Thank God the Knicks front office get it
As much as part of me says the KAT stuff is too big
For the Knicks to want to do at this point roster shakeup wise, I do have to say it's a rumor that never seems to go away and it seems to come from sources all over the map.
We all love Deuce but as this roster develops his role gets more and more reduced with every move. I love putting the Richards thing out there. Let's that little shit Ainge know that we have other options and that he can pound sand with his obscene asking prices.
“League sources have reported that The Knicks have interest in moving Miles McBride for Charlottes Center Nick Richards.
Says Knicks are comfortable running Tyler Kolek for 10-12 minutes a night at back-up PG.
Also reports Knicks have multiple irons in the fire.”
Deuce is a better player than Nick Richards. I’d hate to lose Deuce, but I’d want draft capital coming back to the Knicks if I gave up Deuce for Richards.
Jeremy Cohen does a fantastic job with what they would have to do with a 3 way deal including Charlotte.
If the Knicks acquired KAT + Richards and traded out Randle + Mitch + Achiuwa (S&T at $6.5M) then they'd take in $4.4M. That can't happen.
@thecohencidence
Two solutions:
1. Add Deuce, OR
2. Overpay Precious ($11M in Y1)
I don't think a double S&T w/Precious + Jeffries is possible lol
I attached the link below where you can see that once they fill in Kolek and Hakpuri, a trade bringing back 4.4M would take them past the first apron and hard cap them at the second, which is what I've been explaining all along lol. That would not only be totally fine, but also still leave them some wiggle room to fill out the roster with the space before they hit the second apron. Link - ( New Window )
but at the same time and i know injuries but how many minutes is deuce getting?
Divo and Hart are going to be your main guards off the bench, Mikal is going to play the 2/3, OG is going to play the 3 and 4, Randle the 4 and maybe some 5..
Deuce is going to get 10 maybe 15 minutes a night? Now do i want to trade him for Nick Richards? no but at the same time if a center comes available and they want deuce i probably wouldnt hesitate
if they are going to get him and play him at the 5, i am in, i dont want him at the 4..
KAT at the 5 matches Boston perfectly, as presently constituted to me to beat Boston Randle will have to play the 5
I would think it would be the opposite because having a defensive C like Gobert masks a lot of KAT's defensive deficiencies. Having KAT play next to Robinson would be similar.
@NYPost_Berman
Leon Rose was in 1st row of presser yesterday with Mikal's mother. Didn't talk, but he's still cooking, wants to make big center move after Philly's 2 additions. Heard Houston's Sengun has been on radar, even Detroit's Jalen Duren. And that was before Pistons signed Paul Reed.
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Leon Rose was in 1st row of presser yesterday with Mikal's mother. Didn't talk, but he's still cooking, wants to make big center move after Philly's 2 additions. Heard Houston's Sengun has been on radar, even Detroit's Jalen Duren. And that was before Pistons signed Paul Reed.
0% chance the Rockets trade Sengun for anything the Knicks can realistically offer. He's a core piece for them and a budding star
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Leon Rose was in 1st row of presser yesterday with Mikal's mother. Didn't talk, but he's still cooking, wants to make big center move after Philly's 2 additions. Heard Houston's Sengun has been on radar, even Detroit's Jalen Duren. And that was before Pistons signed Paul Reed.
Berman just loves to create chaos. Am I really supposed to believe he's working sources as a part-time writer for the Palm Beach Post?
if they are going to get him and play him at the 5, i am in, i dont want him at the 4..
KAT at the 5 matches Boston perfectly, as presently constituted to me to beat Boston Randle will have to play the 5
I would think it would be the opposite because having a defensive C like Gobert masks a lot of KAT's defensive deficiencies. Having KAT play next to Robinson would be similar.
Id rsther him at the 5 because of the perkmiter defense the Knicks are going to have
wouldn't be interested in a Randle for Sengun package?
They seem pretty committed to trying to win now.
Yes. 100 sure. C'mon. He's 21 years old and just put up 21.0 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists on 54% shooting with a 22.0 PER, .163 WS/48 in his age 21 season. He's a "win now" player, not some project.
Randle put up 24, 9 and 5 on 47% from the field, 18.9 PER, .113 WS/48 and is 8 years older. The Rockets would hang up the phone.
Pistons get an upgrade at center and their pick back
Wolves save 18 mil off the cap and get a pick in exchange for a downgrade at PF
Knicks fill the center hole and backup center hole in one swoop.
Those two first round picks have very little value because they more than likely won't convey. The Pistons also aren't paying Precious Achiuwa 9 million dollars a year.
there are a BIT of Sengun trade rumors out there that I linked below.
They also went on a 10 game win streak without him to end the year.
I don't think it's the absolute most batshit insane thing ever to suggest that a package of Randle and Mitch for Sengun and fillers would be interesting to them, especially because we know the directive has been to win now. Link - ( New Window )
there are a BIT of Sengun trade rumors out there that I linked below.
Everything on that link seems like speculation (pretty much like BBI :-) ). Most of the fans seem to think they'd be crazy to trade Sengun. I also wonder about this win-now thing with Houston - they were a .500 team last year.
Anyway - I don't think we're trading Randle and Mitch. I think there will be a much smaller move to acquire a backup C.
there are a BIT of Sengun trade rumors out there that I linked below.
They also went on a 10 game win streak without him to end the year.
I don't think it's the absolute most batshit insane thing ever to suggest that a package of Randle and Mitch for Sengun and fillers would be interesting to them, especially because we know the directive has been to win now. Link - ( New Window )
The linked video suggests they may have to include him for a "superstar", not looking for a Randle debate but that's clearly not the kind of player people are suggesting when they say the Rockets are looking to "swing big". They are talking about players like Giannis
RE: RE: RE: Yeah Sengin would cost more than Bridges
"The implications of the Rockets landing the Suns' picks? Houston wants to trade for Kevin Durant and that becomes far easier if they can return the Suns' picks that they gave up in the Durant deal to the Nets," Wojnarowski wrote. "Suns have said they're keeping Durant for now, but that could change next season. But now, Houston has the picks to make the Suns whole again."
Wojnarowski then mentioned a different trade scenario involving the Suns and Rockets.
"Rockets possess a pick swap with Suns in 2025, Suns' pick in 2027 and could end up with the Suns' pick in 2029 based on contingencies," Wojnarowski wrote. "If the Suns are ever faced with breaking up team, Houston's also in prime position to pursue a younger Devin Booker. For now, Phoenix is trying to win."
With the Suns trying to win, though, Houston may not wait around. Either way, Wojnarowski says they'll be ultra-aggressive in adding a superstar this offseason.
"As intrigued as the Rockets have been about Durant, they're determined to use the Suns picks to be aggressive on deals elsewhere now, sources tell ESPN," Wojnarowski wrote. "Phoenix has made it clear that they want to run it back with this group, and Houston is seeking a major upgrade now."
Sengun for Randle/Mitch just doesn't make much sense other than Berman speaking out of his ass. The Rockets were reportedly in talks for Bridges (pick heavy package). The Ringer just 2 weeks ago ranked Sengun the #44 player in the NBA, Randle #45. One is nearly a decade younger. Like I said, Sengun goes 1-1 if he was in this years draft.
"Offensive wunderkind with creative flair and defensive shortcomings.
Feel for the Game
Ridiculous Upside
Passing Virtuoso
Analysis
In a league where size, power, creativity, and craft are hard to find in any one player, Sengun checks every box. Defensive warts notwithstanding, here stands a near-7-foot tall magician whose aesthetic can only be compared to a certain Serbian big man who doubles as the best player alive. This doesn’t mean Sengun will ever earn the same hardware Nikola Jokic has, but he can pass like a point guard, bludgeon opponents in the post, and provide insatiable effort on the glass.
Now on a team that actually has veteran leadership, lofty goals, and a reliable offensive strategy, Sengun has optimized his unusual gifts. Like Jokic, his vision inverts the court while stimulating plenty of movement to keep opponents on their heels. Also like Jokic, Sengun’s defense can be exploited when he’s not surrounded by pieces who execute an appropriate scheme. The good news for Houston is that Sengun bought in on that end, with better effort and awareness that helped him become a finalist for Most Improved Player. An ankle injury ultimately ended his season a month early, and Jalen Green made his own strides on both sides of the ball. But whatever Houston’s next phase may be, Sengun proved he can be the focal point of a team." Link - ( New Window )
Boston's Derrick White is replacing Kawhi Leonard on the Olympic Squad. I'm sure that Kawhi was the top choice in the drop out betting pool but I'm bit surprised that no one else has joined him. Link - ( New Window )
there are a BIT of Sengun trade rumors out there that I linked below.
They also went on a 10 game win streak without him to end the year.
I don't think it's the absolute most batshit insane thing ever to suggest that a package of Randle and Mitch for Sengun and fillers would be interesting to them, especially because we know the directive has been to win now. Link - ( New Window )
The linked video suggests they may have to include him for a "superstar", not looking for a Randle debate but that's clearly not the kind of player people are suggesting when they say the Rockets are looking to "swing big". They are talking about players like Giannis
Maybe it is wishful thinking but it definitely would be a little nutty for Marc Berman, who has covered the team for 30 years? to just throw out random ass names. I know he's a shit stirrer but he didn't used to just fabricate things like Robert Randolph.
I don't see contract details as yet. Anyway, without Paul George, I don't see them going anywhere but like the Warriors, Suns, and others, they can't rebuild just yet. Link - ( New Window )
*only* Berman reports something, I call it BS. IF somebody like Katz followed up with similar info then of course I'd buy it. Sengun is a big enough name where Woj and Co. would be talking about this. What was the last story Berman broke? None I can remember since he retired.
Didn’t seem like he knew the Knicks can’t offer Randle an extension til August, so his “why haven’t the Knicks extended Randle yet?” argument fell flat.
Otherwise, he was adamant that the Knicks like Randle, but they like Towns better. He added they want to spread the court more for Brunson and match up better with Boston’s five-out approach.
Pulling off huge trades for OG, Bridges and Towns within a few months seems unfathomable, but these are the guys we knew they’d be after from the start. Brunson as well. They made a huge run at Donovan Mitchell, too. Booker’s the only one who’s been completely unattainable to this point.
RE: Just listened to CP’s video for the first time…
Didn’t seem like he knew the Knicks can’t offer Randle an extension til August, so his “why haven’t the Knicks extended Randle yet?” argument fell flat.
Otherwise, he was adamant that the Knicks like Randle, but they like Towns better. He added they want to spread the court more for Brunson and match up better with Boston’s five-out approach.
Pulling off huge trades for OG, Bridges and Towns within a few months seems unfathomable, but these are the guys we knew they’d be after from the start. Brunson as well. They made a huge run at Donovan Mitchell, too. Booker’s the only one who’s been completely unattainable to this point.
I love CP and KFTV, but the smarter podcast---albeit dryer---is Knicks Film School, especially when Macri and Cohen talk shop and the business of the league.
I saw a couple fantasy basketball guys comment on. But Duren is neither a spacer or a defender. Plus the Pistons just got Paul Reed and are very pot committed on Isiah Stewart.
Deuce and the Pistons pick for Duren? Deuce is honestly probably as strong a fit next to cade as it gets as a 3&D player with point guard size. Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Just listened to CP’s video for the first time…
Didn’t seem like he knew the Knicks can’t offer Randle an extension til August, so his “why haven’t the Knicks extended Randle yet?” argument fell flat.
Otherwise, he was adamant that the Knicks like Randle, but they like Towns better. He added they want to spread the court more for Brunson and match up better with Boston’s five-out approach.
Pulling off huge trades for OG, Bridges and Towns within a few months seems unfathomable, but these are the guys we knew they’d be after from the start. Brunson as well. They made a huge run at Donovan Mitchell, too. Booker’s the only one who’s been completely unattainable to this point.
I love CP and KFTV, but the smarter podcast---albeit dryer---is Knicks Film School, especially when Macri and Cohen talk shop and the business of the league.
Why trade for a fourth Villanova player to split up trading Randle, DDV and/or Hart for Towns who isn't a center or a PF...he is a SF in 7 footers body..this is not what this team needs did anyone watch that jan run last year...more offense is not whats needed...We don't need more 3 point shooting in starting lineup...
RE: RE: RE: Just listened to CP’s video for the first time…
Didn’t seem like he knew the Knicks can’t offer Randle an extension til August, so his “why haven’t the Knicks extended Randle yet?” argument fell flat.
Otherwise, he was adamant that the Knicks like Randle, but they like Towns better. He added they want to spread the court more for Brunson and match up better with Boston’s five-out approach.
Pulling off huge trades for OG, Bridges and Towns within a few months seems unfathomable, but these are the guys we knew they’d be after from the start. Brunson as well. They made a huge run at Donovan Mitchell, too. Booker’s the only one who’s been completely unattainable to this point.
I love CP and KFTV, but the smarter podcast---albeit dryer---is Knicks Film School, especially when Macri and Cohen talk shop and the business of the league.
Why trade for a fourth Villanova player to split up trading Randle, DDV and/or Hart for Towns who isn't a center or a PF...he is a SF in 7 footers body..this is not what this team needs did anyone watch that jan run last year...more offense is not whats needed...We don't need more 3 point shooting in starting lineup...
to get the salaries to match you would have to ship out Randle, Mitch ,DDv and maybe Duece....That guts the team depth...Thibs is not depend on rookies to fill the void...
Begley confirms the Knicks have talked to Houston about Sengun.
Centers keep going off the board, they have precious sitting there and they need to fill 2 spots
One thing about this front office is everything is done with a purpose. You can draw lives from a player signing that makes no sense but was made with a future deal in mind. The three things mentioned Precious, Kevin McCullar Jr. and roster mission all have to get you thinking.
Also Knicks related is Kessler playing in summer league like he's being showcased
seemed to politely suggest the Sengun stuff isn't true.
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anything new on Duran or Sengun to the #Knicks rumors I keep hearing about?
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How are Hukporti and McCullar on the SL roster if they're not signed yet? I know KFS mentioned it this week but I'm not sure they actually knew the answer (or if they did, I missed it).
How are Hukporti and McCullar on the SL roster if they're not signed yet? I know KFS mentioned it this week but I'm not sure they actually knew the answer (or if they did, I missed it).
How are Hukporti and McCullar on the SL roster if they're not signed yet? I know KFS mentioned it this week but I'm not sure they actually knew the answer (or if they did, I missed it).
They get invited to play and they choose to play. Even without a contract, it's a showcase for skills.
How are Hukporti and McCullar on the SL roster if they're not signed yet? I know KFS mentioned it this week but I'm not sure they actually knew the answer (or if they did, I missed it).
They get invited to play and they choose to play. Even without a contract, it's a showcase for skills.
I assume the players without a contract get some type of short-term insurance as to injuries they may incur in SL.
How are Hukporti and McCullar on the SL roster if they're not signed yet? I know KFS mentioned it this week but I'm not sure they actually knew the answer (or if they did, I missed it).
They get invited to play and they choose to play. Even without a contract, it's a showcase for skills.
I assume the players without a contract get some type of short-term insurance as to injuries they may incur in SL.
it's not going to happen but I can't stop watching Sengun highlights. Not only is he extremely productive it's also fun as shit to watch. He has some insane push shot from midrange, is a Jokic-esque passer.
He probably has top 15 player in the league upside if he develops even a bit of a three point shot. Link - ( New Window )
it's not going to happen but I can't stop watching Sengun highlights. Not only is he extremely productive it's also fun as shit to watch. He has some insane push shot from midrange, is a Jokic-esque passer.
He probably has top 15 player in the league upside if he develops even a bit of a three point shot. Link - ( New Window )
He is fun to watch. I can't see any way they trade him anytime soon.
Caleb Martin and that same shitty bench + some rookies. And people think they're better than us?
The people that think that simply aren’t paying attention. The “Big 3” with trash around them doesn’t work anymore. Especially two of those 3 are insanely injury prone. I’m actually surprised by how some respected basketball fans on this site have reacted to Moreys latest star chasing endeavor. Daryl Morey has zero clue on how to build a championship team.He runs his teams like he’s playing fantasy basketball
but sure he is going to make a difference comjng off the bench..
Its obviius when analysts say oh the Sixers would beat the Knicks they are only looking at one side of the court..
Defensively for the Knicks Maxxey has to score on Bridges and his long arms all game long and George will have OG locking him down and when those two get tired, Mcbride, Divo and Hart will come into the game..
and Is Paul George guarding Brunson? Oubre guarding Randle?
but sure he is going to make a difference comjng off the bench..
Its obviius when analysts say oh the Sixers would beat the Knicks they are only looking at one side of the court..
Defensively for the Knicks Maxxey has to score on Bridges and his long arms all game long and George will have OG locking him down and when those two get tired, Mcbride, Divo and Hart will come into the game..
and Is Paul George guarding Brunson? Oubre guarding Randle?
I agree... Plus the Knicks are 7-8 deep? While the Sixers are top heavy. The Sixers have 96% of their cap in 3 players. The Knicks have approx 96% of their cap in 8 players.
Leon, Wes and Aller have done an awesome job on the books
said Duren may actually be available. And then Popper confirmed Knicks interest.
There definitely are some trade rumors floating around. Despite being a physical freak and hugely productive offensively, his defense appears to be that bad to make him available.
If there is one coach to get the most out of a centers defense though it’s definitely Thibs.
Deuce and their first back seems reasonable enough. Upside is massive and he can come off the bench and learn before probably taking over at latest in two years but possibly earlier. Link - ( New Window )
but sure he is going to make a difference comjng off the bench..
Its obviius when analysts say oh the Sixers would beat the Knicks they are only looking at one side of the court..
Defensively for the Knicks Maxxey has to score on Bridges and his long arms all game long and George will have OG locking him down and when those two get tired, Mcbride, Divo and Hart will come into the game..
and Is Paul George guarding Brunson? Oubre guarding Randle?
Lowry was unplayable last year and seeming will only be worse this season.
said Duren may actually be available. And then Popper confirmed Knicks interest.
There definitely are some trade rumors floating around. Despite being a physical freak and hugely productive offensively, his defense appears to be that bad to make him available.
If there is one coach to get the most out of a centers defense though it’s definitely Thibs.
Deuce and their first back seems reasonable enough. Upside is massive and he can come off the bench and learn before probably taking over at latest in two years but possibly earlier. Link - ( New Window )
If we really liked Duren, we should’ve just kept him and not traded the pick :p
said Duren may actually be available. And then Popper confirmed Knicks interest.
There definitely are some trade rumors floating around. Despite being a physical freak and hugely productive offensively, his defense appears to be that bad to make him available.
If there is one coach to get the most out of a centers defense though it’s definitely Thibs.
Deuce and their first back seems reasonable enough. Upside is massive and he can come off the bench and learn before probably taking over at latest in two years but possibly earlier. Link - ( New Window )
If we really liked Duren, we should’ve just kept him and not traded the pick :p
Lol well trading the pick allowed us to sign both Brunson and Hartenstein so it worked out fortunately.
I went to that draft too just to wait and see us trade out entirely.
I wonder if its true they have one mlre big move in the holster
and they are waiting to see if Brunson takes this deal, not that it effects this years cap but the future cap mobility
The fact that the Knicks haven’t resigned Precious is fascinating. I think they have an agreement with him that he’s going to get paid a decent salary this year. They will just either use him in a sign and trade for a better center or resign him if their trade pursuits fail.
RE: I wonder if its true they have one mlre big move in the holster
and they are waiting to see if Brunson takes this deal, not that it effects this years cap but the future cap mobility
The fact that the Knicks haven’t resigned Precious is fascinating. I think they have an agreement with him that he’s going to get paid a decent salary this year. They will just either use him in a sign and trade for a better center or resign him if their trade pursuits fail.
Yeah definitely more to do with this team, it could be as simple as bringing Precious back but you would think they are wprking on something that Precious is invokved in and thats why hr is willing to wait..
Also interedting Utah has 33 million in space and hasnt tou hed it and they need to spend
was available that late in a bad draft for a reason, but I was looking at his measurables, he's a legitimately big dude who moves pretty well. He's a legit 7 footer.
South African guard and small forward Samkelo Cele will spend the NBA Summer League with the New York Knicks, off the back of his Basketball Africa League (BAL) First Team selection.
Cele - who played college basketball at Northeastern Oklahoma A&M, Southern College, Marist and the University of Science & Arts OK Drovers and was a third team NAIA All-American - brings to an end a lengthy period of frustration.
There were talks with teams abroad over the last two years, but nothing concrete until the Knicks called him up in late June.
Cele told ESPN of the moment he learned of the Knicks' interest: "I had just got back from a workout. I got the call saying that I had been invited to the Summer League by the Knicks. It was surreal.
"I couldn't believe it, even though it was something I had wanted and hoped for because opportunities have been spoken about since last year's BAL."
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Rokas Jokubaitis is close to returning to Zalgiris after three years in Barcelona, per sources.
There's probably uncertainty as to whether or not the Knicks (or a team he's traded to) would want to sign him and bring him over this year. Royce O’Neale actually did exactly that, signed with Zalgiris and before playing a game for them played in SL then the Jazz signed him for that season. I assume there was some sort of clause in the contract that Rokas may have as well
Donatas Urbonas
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Rokas Jokubaitis is close to returning to Zalgiris after three years in Barcelona, per sources.
Most likely because there aren't any minutes here so he's going where there's a role. You aren't giving a 2nd round pick who's never played an NBA minute and who was barely seeing rotation minutes in Spain, 20 minutes a night with one of the best teams.
He has a better shot of playing in Europe. His shot here is in the G-League
Have to kill time so messing around with the trade machine...
Mike in NJ : 9:27 am : link : reply
As has been mentioned, Orlando and OKC are the two teams that are most often referenced as possible destinations, but I just have a hard time believing that the Thunder look at their roster and feel that spending big money on a center is the answer. The big advantage of having a guy like Holmgren is to have one of the few 5s in the league that can truly stretch the floor while also being an elite rim protector. You are going to then relegate him to being a stretch 4 instead by having him play next to a center? That just feels like you are setting yourself up for the same issues they are having in Cleveland by pairing Evan Mobley with Jarrett Allen.
Orlando makes more sense, but I guess at this point it all hinges on Paul George. From the sound of it, his whole process has been about going to whichever team is going to give him the full max. The Clippers don't seem willing to do it, but Philly and Orlando probably will. In that case, what are the chances he decides that he has had enough of playing Robin to a constantly injured star and really maximizes his income with a no state tax Magic?
Last thing, is there a $100 million offer from either of these teams anyway? I think the prevailing thought all along was that Claxton was the guy that would get the biggest center contract this offseason. He got 100 to return to the Nets, do we look at that to mean Hartenstein should get a similar contract or is Claxton viewed as more valuable so Hartenstein likely gets below that? If that is the case, and the best offer is say 4/90 - is the Knicks best offer of 4/72 close enough for him to come back at a discount?
Next couple of days will be interesting for sure.
I hope you’re right. I think we just need to decide whether to include money or McBride in the deal to complete the bridges trade in order for us to be under the second apron to sign IHart.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
I can't believe Rose would act the way he did at the draft avoiding a C like the plague without pretty good knowledge IHart would come back. I mean he had Adem Bona staring at him at 40 and traded out of the pick while getting little to nothing in return but cash.
I totally agree. There had to have been an agreement between iHart and the NYK. iHart might sign a short one or two year deal and then with his Bird Rights firmly in hand sign a max deal after that with the Knicks.
His wife's a model. iHart's options are NY, Orlando, or OKC. For a model, it's obvious where she'd want to be professionally. IHart's a big part of this team now and they're ascending. OKC is also a top team, better even, so he'd have that going for him. Orlando is just a middling team. iHart can't say the Knicks didn't try if he goes elsewhere.
Great question. I wish I knew all the stuff a lot better. Definitely a little difficult to keep track of sometimes.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
I read/heard somewhere that they can no longer do that with Precious. He was going to be a Restricted FA, but the Knicks didn't make him a qualifying offer, so now he's an Unrestricted FA. As a result they can't do a sign and trade with him anymore. I'm not totally sure about this, but that's what I recall reading/hearing elsewhere yesterday. Someone please update/correct me if I'm wrong. This whole thing is confusing AF, lol.
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Let's make some assumptions.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
I read/heard somewhere that they can no longer do that with Precious. He was going to be a Restricted FA, but the Knicks didn't make him a qualifying offer, so now he's an Unrestricted FA. As a result they can't do a sign and trade with him anymore. I'm not totally sure about this, but that's what I recall reading/hearing elsewhere yesterday. Someone please update/correct me if I'm wrong. This whole thing is confusing AF, lol.
I said it but i guess technically they didnt renounce his rights yet even though they didnt extend the qualifying offer....
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Using MLE hard caps at 1st apron
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Let's make some assumptions.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Using MLE hard caps at 1st apron
But after we make all these moves, it wouldn't matter if the MLE is the last move we make. So, do we have it or not under this situation?
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Let's make some assumptions.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Using MLE hard caps at 1st apron
But after we make all these moves, it wouldn't matter if the MLE is the last move we make. So, do we have it or not under this situation?
Either we get iHart or we get a 5.9 level exception. But not both. Either one requires us not being hard capped at the first apron.
I am sorry are they ever going to learn?
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
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In comment 16545852 robbieballs2003 said:
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Let's make some assumptions.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Using MLE hard caps at 1st apron
But after we make all these moves, it wouldn't matter if the MLE is the last move we make. So, do we have it or not under this situation?
Either we get iHart or we get a 5.9 level exception. But not both. Either one requires us not being hard capped at the first apron.
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All the money they’ve pissed away on washed up players and they’re gonna pinch pennies on Paul George.
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
I don't think he wants to leave LA but is going to milk the Clippers for everything he can you would hope this other teams realize he is not worth 50 a year but Philly is desperate.
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In comment 16545880 bceagle05 said:
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All the money they’ve pissed away on washed up players and they’re gonna pinch pennies on Paul George.
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
I don't think he wants to leave LA but is going to milk the Clippers for everything he can you would hope this other teams realize he is not worth 50 a year but Philly is desperate.
I think there's a pretty decent chance that year 3 and 4 of that contract age like milk, but year 1 and 2 he's still good enough to cause other teams (The Knicks) serious problems. Probably a 20% chance Embiid and PG are both healthy at the same time in the playoffs but that's a tough out if they are, right when the Knicks look ready to be a serious contender.
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In comment 16545887 Jon In NYC said:
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In comment 16545880 bceagle05 said:
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All the money they’ve pissed away on washed up players and they’re gonna pinch pennies on Paul George.
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
I don't think he wants to leave LA but is going to milk the Clippers for everything he can you would hope this other teams realize he is not worth 50 a year but Philly is desperate.
I think there's a pretty decent chance that year 3 and 4 of that contract age like milk, but year 1 and 2 he's still good enough to cause other teams (The Knicks) serious problems. Probably a 20% chance Embiid and PG are both healthy at the same time in the playoffs but that's a tough out if they are, right when the Knicks look ready to be a serious contender.
Yeah if you are the sixers you need to do something... The Knicks are massively upgraded vs the team that beat sixers in playoffs (Randle and Bridges)... So Sixers are indeed desperate
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
I don’t know man. Two players making over $50M and Maxey getting ready to get paid as well, probably also a max deal, the rest of that roster will likely be trash. It’s very difficult to build a team around 3 max contracts with the new CBA. Does it ever work anymore?
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but I think the Nova Knicks with Randle and OG is better..
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
I don’t know man. Two players making over $50M and Maxey getting ready to get paid as well, probably also a max deal, the rest of that roster will likely be trash. It’s very difficult to build a team around 3 max contracts with the new CBA. Does it ever work anymore?
No what i am saying is the Knicks are better and built better but they are going to have so much hype like the suns bjg 3 got hyped up, that they are goingnto want Sixers vs Knicks game 1
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In comment 16545897 nygiants16 said:
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but I think the Nova Knicks with Randle and OG is better..
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
I don’t know man. Two players making over $50M and Maxey getting ready to get paid as well, probably also a max deal, the rest of that roster will likely be trash. It’s very difficult to build a team around 3 max contracts with the new CBA. Does it ever work anymore?
No what i am saying is the Knicks are better and built better but they are going to have so much hype like the suns bjg 3 got hyped up, that they are goingnto want Sixers vs Knicks game 1
Yeah, I agree with you. My wording wasn’t the best but I was just commenting randomly on the idea of the Sixers trying to go the 3 stars/max contracts route. It’s a dying method in the NBA because it doesn’t work anymore. It has too much of an effect on the rest of the roster. But, we all know Daryl Morey is a star chaser to the highest degree. He loves him some name recognition
That would be a concern.
Also unrelated but it really seems like Mitchell is going to sign a full max with Cleveland. I really did not see that coming. Figured he'd force his way to Miami or something like that to play with Bam.
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
It's gonna be Boston -Knicks I bet
That would be a concern.
Also unrelated but it really seems like Mitchell is going to sign a full max with Cleveland. I really did not see that coming. Figured he'd force his way to Miami or something like that to play with Bam.
If they got Lauri it would be scary because of his ability to play off of Maxxey and Embiid..
Ingram ehhh, i dont think he fits with a Maxxey, OG, Embiid big 3..
I think with Mitchell he rrally wanted to be a Knick but knew once Brunson became what he is that it was never going to happen, no way he thinks Cleveland can compete
Or Ainge hates us so much that he just gives him up for a 2nd.
I'm joking.
You eat all your cap space to build around those 2 is ridiculous.
It would also probably save the Clippers from themselves.
Orlando is not going to sign Hartenstein for 25 mil per year if they only have 52 and are offering PG the max.
The team that should be offering the max to PG btw is the Thunder, but it doesn't look like they're involved for some reason.
Very happy for Obi.
our front office has done really well but they botched quite a bit when it came to Obi - pretty much from day one up until the trade. Not a good look that they just gave away a guy who clearly has some value.
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All the Knicks are getting paid.
our front office has done really well but they botched quite a bit when it came to Obi - pretty much from day one up until the trade. Not a good look that they just gave away a guy who clearly has some value.
They're quite good at recovering from their mistakes IE they basically swapped out Obi for Donte
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In comment 16545955 bceagle05 said:
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All the Knicks are getting paid.
our front office has done really well but they botched quite a bit when it came to Obi - pretty much from day one up until the trade. Not a good look that they just gave away a guy who clearly has some value.
They're quite good at recovering from their mistakes IE they basically swapped out Obi for Donte
that's a really naive way to look at it.
Best case scenario is Orlando signs PG and OKC makes a big move for Markannen or sits out Hartenstein's FA. If it's all about the money for George then Orlando makes the most sense given the tax advantage
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it seems like the Magic not the Thunder are the big threat for iHart. Scotto thinks it’ll be 23 mil per. Not necessarily that he’ll take it.
Best case scenario is Orlando signs PG and OKC makes a big move for Markannen or sits out Hartenstein's FA. If it's all about the money for George then Orlando makes the most sense given the tax advantage
PG not wanting to tie his future to a chronically injured Embiid with no depth wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world.
Three guard lineup with no defense is wild.
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In comment 16546017 Jon In NYC said:
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it seems like the Magic not the Thunder are the big threat for iHart. Scotto thinks it’ll be 23 mil per. Not necessarily that he’ll take it.
Best case scenario is Orlando signs PG and OKC makes a big move for Markannen or sits out Hartenstein's FA. If it's all about the money for George then Orlando makes the most sense given the tax advantage
PG not wanting to tie his future to a chronically injured Embiid with no depth wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world.
Philly market will also eat him alive if plays and acts the way he did this past season in LA
They could give him 2 years guaranteed and he can opt out in year 3 at 28 and sign a bigger contract then. That could be the best way to maximize his earnings if he believes that he may not thrive quite as much in a new system vs the way he has since coming to the Knicks
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There was a Twitter scenario thrown around that they can do a 2 year deal with an option but the CBA doesn’t allow that.
They could give him 2 years guaranteed and he can opt out in year 3 at 28 and sign a bigger contract then. That could be the best way to maximize his earnings if he believes that he may not thrive quite as much in a new system vs the way he has since coming to the Knicks
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There was a Twitter scenario thrown around that they can do a 2 year deal with an option but the CBA doesn’t allow that.
They could give him 2 years guaranteed and he can opt out in year 3 at 28 and sign a bigger contract then. That could be the best way to maximize his earnings if he believes that he may not thrive quite as much in a new system vs the way he has since coming to the Knicks
Yea but I don’t know if he’s willing to sacrifice for two years
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There was a Twitter scenario thrown around that they can do a 2 year deal with an option but the CBA doesn’t allow that.
They could give him 2 years guaranteed and he can opt out in year 3 at 28 and sign a bigger contract then. That could be the best way to maximize his earnings if he believes that he may not thrive quite as much in a new system vs the way he has since coming to the Knicks
Yea but I don’t know if he’s willing to sacrifice for two years
I won't blame him if he walks for more money. He deserves it and this is his chance to cash in
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B/R Sources: There’s growing optimism the Philadelphia 76ers will land Paul George in free agency.
I’m not saying giving George a 4 year max is a good idea but what the hell are the Clippers going to do to stay competitive without him? They barely have any tradeable assets and the roster just isn’t that good right now. Is it really worth LAC opening up their new arena with a team that will be in the play-in mix?
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about Philly landing PG. Maybe just pressuring LAC but I expect him to land in Philly at this point.
I’m not saying giving George a 4 year max is a good idea but what the hell are the Clippers going to do to stay competitive without him? They barely have any tradeable assets and the roster just isn’t that good right now. Is it really worth LAC opening up their new arena with a team that will be in the play-in mix?
It’s definitely weird. Barring major injury I think 3 of the 4 years of that deal will be productive enough to justify it
It’s definitely weird. Barring major injury I think 3 of the 4 years of that deal will be productive enough to justify it
The Clips letting him walk over a year would be madness. However, he missed a ton of time two years ago and missed the end of the season last year. The Sixers and Warriors were desperate, but I’m glad the Knicks went the way they ultimately did.
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The second apron was projected to be $189.5 million. The actual apron is coming in at $188.9M.
The Knicks will likely be hard-capped at the second apron this season. They now have ~$600k less in space to play with to build out a roster.
Reminds me of the year Zion was in the draft, and the Knicks had the worst record in the league, but of course it coincides with when the league smooths out the lottery odds and we end up getting dropping to third.
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It wouldn’t surprise me to see OKC get Hartenstein on a 3 year deal with a team option at the end
2 years also makes a lot of sense
20-25 million annually would be the ball park for Hartenstein
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All the Knicks are getting paid.
Very happy for Obi.
Me too, I’ve mentioned here before one of my best college buddies is Obi’s cousin. As a Knicks fan, I can see he wasn’t a great fit for Thibs, but I’ve heard stories of his excellent work ethic and will always root for him. Except for when he plays us
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With cap space teams Orlando focused on wing free agents and Utah focused on current roster decisions, and Knicks working to un-hardcap — sources say the OKC Thunder are in Eugene, Oregon, set to meet with Isaiah Hartenstein.
Generations from now, people will look @ Harden's stats & say, 'Wow. All time great.'
A complete zero in the spring.
I think he ends up with Dallas.
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Does the contract include money for the fork sticking out of his back too?
I think he ends up with Dallas.
Keep an eye on him to the Lakers too
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Free agent center Andre Drummond plans to sign a two-year, $10-plus million deal with the Philadelphia 76ers.
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Generations from now, people will look @ Harden's stats & say, 'Wow. All time great.'
A complete zero in the spring.
Even moreso for Westbrook, in my opinion. But the criticism of Harden is also fair.
Klay is no longer a two way player or 2nd option. He’s “washed” in terms of being that guy. But he’s still as good a volume 3pt shooter as any in the league besides Curry and his size means he won’t be a cone on defense like smaller older guys. I could see him being a good rotation piece on Dallas/LA where he just needs to score 15 or so off-ball and shoot at his usual levels.
Embiid/PG feels like a duo where we all kind of know what will happen. Maybe Maxey levels up again but the odds of all 3 of those guys being healthy for a playoff run feels like 25% chance and even that might be pushing it.
I've never been a fan of either.
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Kentavious Caldwell-Pope leaving the Denver Nuggets and headed to the Orlando Magic on a three-year deal, I’m told.
Orlando looking solid. It all depends on how good Paolo becomes.
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All the Knicks are getting paid.
Very happy for Obi.
Me too, I’ve mentioned here before one of my best college buddies is Obi’s cousin. As a Knicks fan, I can see he wasn’t a great fit for Thibs, but I’ve heard stories of his excellent work ethic and will always root for him. Except for when he plays us
I've always thought that Obi was a cool dude. Good to hear it. Wish him nothing but the best, except against the Knicks.
KCP seems like a bit of a misfire for Orlando. dont hate it but dont see it moving the needle.
That feels pretty reasonable for Jonas. Interesting that even with salaries going up he got less than Mitch.
Goga and Nick Richards are fine, but with iHart leaving it's going to be tough to view this as anything less than a suboptimal C rotation.
As strictly a spot shooter, he should be helpful for LBJ on offense. Not sure if his defense is still there, but he used to be very good at it.
Ainge doesn’t want Robinson and the Knicks already traded the picks he would want in return.
Yep. It was posted last night.
We have to imagine that every minute that goes by, the odds of IHart coming back to the Knicks increases. These teams know the situation the Knicks are in. If OKC really wanted IHart, it would have gotten done immediately. The C market already looks dried up.
As a Knicks fan this does not worry me at all. He’s 34, often injured and the will be guarded primarily by OG. The Sixers are desperate, they maxed him and gave him a player option in his final year when he’s 39/40 years old.
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Paul George to the 76ers per Woj.
As a Knicks fan this does not worry me at all. He’s 34, often injured and the will be guarded primarily by OG. The Sixers are desperate, they maxed him and gave him a player option in his final year when he’s 39/40 years old.
I’m not being a phony just because he’s on the Sixers. I never wanted PG on the Knicks for the very reasons you listed. Plus, his age put him out of the window of the current Knicks roster. He’s missed as many postseason games as he’s played the past 3 years.
The Sixers needed to do this. The Knicks didn’t.
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Paul George to the 76ers per Woj.
Yep. It was posted last night.
We have to imagine that every minute that goes by, the odds of IHart coming back to the Knicks increases. These teams know the situation the Knicks are in. If OKC really wanted IHart, it would have gotten done immediately. The C market already looks dried up.
I think last night was just technically heavy speculation.. news broke early this AM..
On iHart, I did see on X that it seems as if OKC leadership already left the meeting with him. Probably good news that we haven't heard anything..
You're going to have a vet min role player guarding Julius? Or you're going to have PG guarding Julius in the past? Doubt that.
Maxey can't guard Brunson so he's going to guard Mikal or OG?
Meanwhile we put Mikal on Maxey, OG on PG and then matchup against Embiid like we just did (admittedly he was fairly dominant even while hurt)
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Paul George to the 76ers per Woj.
Yep. It was posted last night.
We have to imagine that every minute that goes by, the odds of IHart coming back to the Knicks increases. These teams know the situation the Knicks are in. If OKC really wanted IHart, it would have gotten done immediately. The C market already looks dried up.
I think last night was just technically heavy speculation.. news broke early this AM..
On iHart, I did see on X that it seems as if OKC leadership already left the meeting with him. Probably good news that we haven't heard anything..
Gotcha
Let's say you are correct (and I think you are). I'd much rather have Bridges than George -- primarily from the standpoint of age/durability/chemistry.
PG at the 2 with OG and Randle playing the forward spots? He’s older and unreliable when compared to Bridges. Bridges is durable and more versatile, plus he clearly fits the Knicks culture. No regrets making the Bridges deal.
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year, there's a damn good chance PG is a Knick. If the Clippers were convinced he was leaving they would have been itching to make the trade and get something.
Let's say you are correct (and I think you are). I'd much rather have Bridges than George -- primarily from the standpoint of age/durability/chemistry.
Absolutely. Bridges is a much better fit chemistry wise, much more dependable and durable and on a much better contract. I'd do that trade 100 times out of 100.
Could be why Begely had a report yesterday about the Knicks looking at Sims trades, clears an extra 2 million
Maybe OKC is really the only real threat.
Maybe OKC is really the only real threat.
Its a really good sign that he didnt sign right away after meeting with OKC like George did after meeting with Sixers
No other choice in the matter in reality..
I definitely dont want both Mitch and Ihart back, if i had to choose between the 2 i am choosing Ihart..
I want to see a lot of Randle at the 5
and he got a player option for the 4th year lol
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Sources: The Oklahoma City Thunder and free agent F Aaron Wiggins have agreed to a new five-year, $47 million deal. After OKC declined his $2M team option, Wiggins receives $45M in new money, with a significant raise next season. Thunder lock in a key rotation piece long-term
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Sources: The Oklahoma City Thunder and free agent F Aaron Wiggins have agreed to a new five-year, $47 million deal. After OKC declined his $2M team option, Wiggins receives $45M in new money, with a significant raise next season. Thunder lock in a key rotation piece long-term
I think that's notable. The Thunder are historically a team that avoids taxes at all costs and they have big extensions coming up.
There's no way neither Embiid nor George don't breakdown sooner than that
Yep. This is it now. No more speculation as to what the next big move will be, this is the team mostly. Go out and win.
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Sources: The Oklahoma City Thunder and free agent F Aaron Wiggins have agreed to a new five-year, $47 million deal. After OKC declined his $2M team option, Wiggins receives $45M in new money, with a significant raise next season. Thunder lock in a key rotation piece long-term
Isiah Joe now getting 4/48…
Maybe OKC is really the only real threat.
Once Orlando signed KCP they were out on IHart. OKC is it.
Maybe OKC is really the only real threat.
Once Orlando signed KCP they were out on IHart. OKC is it.
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reporting that Goga has an offer from Orlando which is...interesting.
Maybe OKC is really the only real threat.
Once Orlando signed KCP they were out on IHart. OKC is it.
I actually think they have enough for both. They came in with a ton of cap space. But a Goga offer suggests they’re not waiting for Isaiah. They also have plenty of other needs. Notably someone who can score the basketball
George has been mostly terrible in the playoffs for much of his career. One reason why LAC fans wanted him gone. I don't see that getting better with age.
Still could be. I think Randle might be the better fit with a mediocre playmaker at the 2 in Mikal, but they have more picks to offer + Randle if they wanted to.
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has signaled he doesn't want to stay in Utah. I feel like he would have been a good fit here.
Still could be. I think Randle might be the better fit with a mediocre playmaker at the 2 in Mikal, but they have more picks to offer + Randle if they wanted to.
or a crazy 3 or 4 team trade. But I feel like it's hard to find teams around the league where Randle works in terms of fit and timeline.
With Markkanen, anyone trading for him is taking a risk because his current salary means he's almost 100% getting to unrestricted free agency next summer.
Keep him out west.
Kuminga, Wiggins, Moody, future picks.
Feels like Hartenstein is coming back.
OKC agreeing to sign Aaron Wiggins and Isaiah Joe to lucrative long-term deals does NOT impact their ability to sign Isaiah Hartenstein.
The Thunder would simply keep Wiggins' and Joe's small cap holds on their books (only $2.1M and $2.4M, respectively) while using their cap room.
Then after using their space, they could go over the cap to re-sign their own free-agents.
Feels like Hartenstein is coming back.
the "back end" of these deals comes so much sooner now. It's not like old days of Scott Layden signing Shandon Anderson to a 6 year deal.
OKC agreeing to sign Aaron Wiggins and Isaiah Joe to lucrative long-term deals does NOT impact their ability to sign Isaiah Hartenstein.
The Thunder would simply keep Wiggins' and Joe's small cap holds on their books (only $2.1M and $2.4M, respectively) while using their cap room.
Then after using their space, they could go over the cap to re-sign their own free-agents.
What Beer is not mentioning is these two moves make them significantly closer to all the aprons. That’s the big news about this, not the cap space concerns.
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OKC agreeing to sign Aaron Wiggins and Isaiah Joe to lucrative long-term deals does NOT impact their ability to sign Isaiah Hartenstein.
The Thunder would simply keep Wiggins' and Joe's small cap holds on their books (only $2.1M and $2.4M, respectively) while using their cap room.
Then after using their space, they could go over the cap to re-sign their own free-agents.
What Beer is not mentioning is these two moves make them significantly closer to all the aprons. That’s the big news about this, not the cap space concerns.
It’s a little tight but they can still sign Hartenstein though and stay under the first apron. They could also dump Dieng or Kenrich Williams to give themselves a little more breathing room, especially with their stockpile of picks.
29 million per is insane
Or they could look to trade Deuce for a big.
I think one of the very few centers in the league but certainly available who offer elite rim protection and aren't a complete stiff on offense.
Unfortunately iHart was another. This really stings.
I'm not sure Drummond moves the needle. Whatever benefits he brings on the glass he gives back being just a complete black hole on offense. He isn't just unskilled, he thinks he's Embiid and turns the ball over at insane clips.
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we in on Drummond?
I'm not sure Drummond moves the needle. Whatever benefits he brings on the glass he gives back being just a complete black hole on offense. He isn't just unskilled, he thinks he's Embiid and turns the ball over at insane clips.
Yeah I agree Drummond wasn't a fit here. a Nick Richards type or Goga fits better.
They already have Drummond at home
They might’ve been and he chose Philly. Or the Knicks were in the dark on Hartenstein and he was keen on signing immediately
I would take a shot at Paul Reed, I believe he has been renounced. Mo Bamba is another guy.
I'm not sure why they did not get insurance in the draft for this issue as Ihart was a threat to bolt, especially at 12m per year more than the Knicks can offer.
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Wouldn't say any get me out of bed, but Kessler probably is the most exciting of the bunch and easily has the lowest cap hit.
Sims and 2 firsts?
I don't think that's what he said. I think he said he has an offer that matches what the Knicks can offer, but we pretty clearly have a path to more playing time now.
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is reporting Goga already has an offer on the table from Orlando that the Knicks can't really match.
I don't think that's what he said. I think he said he has an offer that matches what the Knicks can offer, but we pretty clearly have a path to more playing time now.
"I think he's got something on the table with Orlando and I don't think the Knicks can go past what he has on the table with them"
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is reporting Goga already has an offer on the table from Orlando that the Knicks can't really match.
I don't think that's what he said. I think he said he has an offer that matches what the Knicks can offer, but we pretty clearly have a path to more playing time now.
"I think he's got something on the table with Orlando and I don't think the Knicks can go past what he has on the table with them"
Right. Go past. Maybe match.
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I certainly wouldn't say Begley has a great pulse on the Goga Bitadze market. He didn't even pronounce his name correctly.
We'll see what happens but I wouldn't expect him to return to the Magic to be their third string center which is how he ended the year.
Hartenstein’s deal is frontloaded and the final year will not be guaranteed, source tells The Post.
I doubt they could put together a package for Kessler that would interest Utah unless they love Deuce. I'm not even sure they could put one together for Nick Richards who would be another good option
He was planning to stay in MSG with that offer on the table by OKC for him?
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He was planning to stay in MSG with that offer on the table by OKC for him?
Yea. Was a similar non guaranteed third year so was really 2/46 he would have taken a 2 year with option from the Knicks
Maybe but I'm not sure we should be looking at him. He's...really bad. The Pistons just got rid of him. Keep that in mind.
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And he was playing to stay
He was planning to stay in MSG with that offer on the table by OKC for him?
Yea. Was a similar non guaranteed third year so was really 2/46 he would have taken a 2 year with option from the Knicks
That's all we could ask for then: a willingness to actually stay and take less money. I respect that. He just got an offer he couldn't refuse.
Goga: 11.7/10.8/2.7
Kessler: 12.5/11.6/3.7
Goga: 11.7/10.8/2.7
Kessler: 12.5/11.6/3.7
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"Look, the trade to Detroit never made sense, and it didn't help his development whatsoever. That leaves him in a weird position going into free agency.
The Pistons allow him to become an unrestricted free agent, and he could take a one-year deal at a place where he knows he'll get minutes and then try the market again next year.
Alternatively, he could sign a longer deal, if offered, and hope he'll get a chance to prove himself during the length of said contract. He's young, athletic and in dire need of a situation in which he's given a real shot."
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"Look, the trade to Detroit never made sense, and it didn't help his development whatsoever. That leaves him in a weird position going into free agency.
The Pistons allow him to become an unrestricted free agent, and he could take a one-year deal at a place where he knows he'll get minutes and then try the market again next year.
Alternatively, he could sign a longer deal, if offered, and hope he'll get a chance to prove himself during the length of said contract. He's young, athletic and in dire need of a situation in which he's given a real shot."
Leon has earned my complete trust. If he signs Wiseman I fully believe they'll get the most out of him. But I've watched him play and I just don't see it.
It's a little hard to pin down and is unfortunately very fluid. Seems likely they'll be able to offer a starting salary of 5.9.
I think the defense and rebounding will be replicable. What made Isaiah so useful was that he is both a great passer and developed that floater that became basically automatic.
Finding someone who is great defensively and not a stiff offensively is the concern.
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I think the defense and rebounding will be replicable. What made Isaiah so useful was that he is both a great passer and developed that floater that became basically automatic.
Finding someone who is great defensively and not a stiff offensively is the concern.
I’m not sure Hartenstein would’ve had the same role on offense with Randle healthy. Even if they had full bird rights, it wouldn’t have been a wise investment for that kind of money
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iHart: 11.1/11.9/1.4
Goga: 11.7/10.8/2.7
Kessler: 12.5/11.6/3.7
King Wiseman
14.7/11.1/1.3
"Look, the trade to Detroit never made sense, and it didn't help his development whatsoever. That leaves him in a weird position going into free agency.
The Pistons allow him to become an unrestricted free agent, and he could take a one-year deal at a place where he knows he'll get minutes and then try the market again next year.
Alternatively, he could sign a longer deal, if offered, and hope he'll get a chance to prove himself during the length of said contract. He's young, athletic and in dire need of a situation in which he's given a real shot."
Leon has earned my complete trust. If he signs Wiseman I fully believe they'll get the most out of him. But I've watched him play and I just don't see it.
Yeah Weisman since he stepped foot on campus at Memphis has shown a questionable attitude at pretty much every stop. He has the talent and he did have some of his best NBA games this past season in Detroit. Has the light bulb finally gone on? Who knows. Any contender bringing him in will do extensive checking on him beforehand I'm sure.
Okay well this is officially getting weird in Utah.
They have John Collins, Kessler, Eubanks and Filipowski all there now.
Kessler has to be on the way out. Make the move Leon! He's the guy!!
Kessler is good and cheap. No reason to trade him whatsoever.
Thibs tried Randle/Obi for like 5 minutes and then we never saw it again. OG is great but I'm not sure he's a rim protector and Julius certainly isn't, but good luck to any team trying to match up defensively.
I think that would be a great lineup vs the Celtics.
Tillman is only 6'8" but he did play 34 games at C this season, 15 starts, including for the world champs
Kessler is good and cheap. No reason to trade him whatsoever.
John Collins isn't turning down 27 mil unless he desperately wants out of Utah. May be a stronger argument that they'll move him to the 4 if Lauri gets traded but either way there were Kessler trade rumors from weeks ago and since then they went out and added Filipowski and Eubanks so I'm not sure how wishful thinking it is.
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Markkanen is a FA after this season and Collins has a player option that he’ll only pick up if he has a disastrous season.
Kessler is good and cheap. No reason to trade him whatsoever.
John Collins isn't turning down 27 mil unless he desperately wants out of Utah. May be a stronger argument that they'll move him to the 4 if Lauri gets traded but either way there were Kessler trade rumors from weeks ago and since then they went out and added Filipowski and Eubanks so I'm not sure how wishful thinking it is.
Even if he was available, I don’t see the Knicks being able to put together a package that would entice Ainge
They definitely need to add depth because at this point you can't rely on Robinson to stay healthy, but when he is out there we still have a heck of a player starting at center. The positive here is that a lot of the stuff we will lose on the offensive end as Hartenstein goes out, we will actually get back and then some with a healthy Randle. Hartenstein really stepped in as a playmaker and passer around the top of the key, but that responsibility will go back to Julius now and Mitch can focus on rebounding and anchoring the D.
@esidery
The Spurs and Warriors are among the teams showing interest in trading for Lauri Markkanen, per @WindhorstESPN
(https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/id293376147?i=1000660772596
).
Rival executives believe there’s a good chance the Jazz actually move Markkanen.
@esidery
The Spurs and Warriors are among the teams showing interest in trading for Lauri Markkanen, per @WindhorstESPN
(https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/id293376147?i=1000660772596
).
Rival executives believe there’s a good chance the Jazz actually move Markkanen.
he's gotten better as a defender but his shot blocking and finishing seems to have gotten worse. The free throw shooting is a disaster but what's really frustrating is how bad his hands have gotten.
I don't see him hurting Julius and Brunson now with OG and Mikal in the lineup instead of RJ. The spacing is way better and it's not like Hartenstein was a stretch big, even though he had to be accounted for on offense.
Before Mitch got hurt last year, he was playing at an all-defensive team level. He's probably the best offensive rebounder in the NBA and even though he was really hobbled he still matched up way better with Embiid than Hartenstein did.
This team is built to play a bunvh of different lineupz
This team is built to play a bunvh of different lineupz
we'll see the end result with center but yeah I know he's stiff but Thibs will have to buy into lineup flexibility with the team as currently constituted.
A legit 7 feet, a legit 7'6 wingspan, and not a bad touch.
If there is a position where Thibs has gotten the most out of guys it's definitely at the center spot too.
How then hell has Harris made so much money?
It's almost impressive how bad he is at this
@IanBegley
Told free agent big man Precious Achiuwa has received interest from several contending teams & remains open to returning to NYK. Knicks, obviously, are in market for a big man following Isaiah Hartenstein’s departure. They should have access to $5M tax-payer midlevel exception.
Reason #7856732 to hate LeBron. Him and his cronies gamed the system to take less to fit under the salary cap and then max out under bird rights after two years which caused them to have to put these stupid rule in that limits a team from resigning a diamond in the rough that they found.
Walker Kessler is a CAA client
@IanBegley
Told free agent big man Precious Achiuwa has received interest from several contending teams & remains open to returning to NYK. Knicks, obviously, are in market for a big man following Isaiah Hartenstein’s departure. They should have access to $5M tax-payer midlevel exception.
Going into the season with Mitch, Precious and Sims would be underwhelming. Gimme Goga or Richards please
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BREAKING: Free agent Klay Thompson plans to join the Dallas Mavericks on a three-year, $50M deal with a player option, sources tell ESPN. Thompson ends his historic Warriors run as part of a multi-team sign-and-trade that’ll also send Josh Green to Charlotte.
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I bet Bridges has a career year next season. He's playing where he wants to play with who he wants to play with and all those guys have played their best ball here. I'm not predicting a Brunson-like leap but he could be in the ASG conversation
Defense will be an issue though. Luka simply has to get better on that end.
Spurs have 4 FRPs in 2025, 2 of them unprotected.
Atlanta swap rights plus their own in 2026.
Atlanta unprotected plus their own in 2027.
Boston pick in 2028 (some protections i think).
Dallas unprotected in 2030.
they could pretty easily do a Bridges-esque return and still have a ton of ammo for future deals with a solid lineup:
cp3
vassell
keldon
lauri
wemby
Jake Fischer
@JakeLFischer
We do not expect Lauri Markkanen to be traded, but that has not stopped multiple teams — including Golden State — from calling Utah, sources said. And the Jazz have held tangible discussions on the All-Star forward.
Lauri Markkanen next?
The biggest domino from Thompson’s outcome, however, could very well be the future of All-Star forward Lauri Markkanen. Golden State has tried to maximize its optionality this summer by chasing the biggest fish who are feasibly available for the taking. First, the Warriors moved back Chris Paul’s guarantee date to try and find a trade of his $30 million expiring salary. The Warriors tried to negotiate a trade for Paul George with the Clippers, sources said, before the All-Star wing opted out of his contract to test free agency and ultimately join Philadelphia. Golden State now remains one of the few teams most connected to a pursuit of acquiring Markkanen from Utah, according to league personnel.
The Jazz are indeed welcoming calls on Markkanen, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Perhaps Utah will ultimately exact a similar offseason to that of Brooklyn, where the Nets once envisioned adding star-level talent alongside Mikal Bridges before determining their best course of action was to enter a rebuild — thanks to a massive haul from New York. The Jazz, as previously reported at Yahoo Sports, were looking into trading for Bridges, held conversations with Atlanta about both Dejounte Murray and Trae Young, sources said, and were working to assemble a group around Markkanen that could have possibly drawn George’s eye.
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tricky negotiation though because a team like SAS probably still has cap space next year, so how much are they going to give up now? 5 unprotecteds is crazy. the 2 protected next year and 2 unprotected down the road seems reasonable, but is that enough for ainge?
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Free agent center Goga Bitadze is returning to the Orlando Magic on a three-year, $25 million contract, sources tell ESPN.
I'd like to do that and bring in another warm body. Mitch has a hard time staying healthy and can't be playing 30+ min a night anyways
Fuck it. Why not? Do it.
Me neither. They were playing Isaac at the center spot too.
It's too random a name to keep popping up otherwise. They must like him for some reason that isn't readily apparent.
It's too random a name to keep popping up otherwise. They must like him for some reason that isn't readily apparent.
Begley was on with Hahn earlier today and brought him up again as a guy he knows the Knicks like and have interest in fwiw.
He's a good player who's a backup 5 on a bad team because they also have Mark Williams. He was in trade rumors at the deadline too and was someone I was interested in when it was still unclear if Mitch was returning at all.
Goga: 11.7/10.8/2.7
Kessler: 12.5/11.6/3.7
Richards 13.3/11/1.5
So he's right there on a counting stats perspective. I just wish there was any sort of secondary skill on offense. He seems to have the Mitchell Robinson offensive package of dunks and putbacks.
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iHart: 11.1/11.9/1.4
Goga: 11.7/10.8/2.7
Kessler: 12.5/11.6/3.7
Richards 13.3/11/1.5
So he's right there on a counting stats perspective. I just wish there was any sort of secondary skill on offense. He seems to have the Mitchell Robinson offensive package of dunks and putbacks.
He's got a bit more of an offensive game than Mitch does and more importantly is a much much better FT shooter
I don't know about his defense though.
Wiseman will go to a low pressure team.
Still think they should look at bamba
Lopez is contracted for 2024 at $23M.
Lopez would be perfect for the Knicks.
Can the Knicks clear enough money to take on his contract?
Lopez last year was 12.5 p/g, 5.2R/g, 1.6 a/gm 48 %,.5 s/g, and 2.4 b/g.
He did this by playing 30 minutes/game.
Lopez is contracted for 2024 at $23M.
Lopez would be perfect for the Knicks.
Can the Knicks clear enough money to take on his contract?
Lopez last year was 12.5 p/g, 5.2R/g, 1.6 a/gm 48 %,.5 s/g, and 2.4 b/g.
He did this by playing 30 minutes/game.
No way to make the contracts work, but he would have been great.
During the same radio appearance Begley said that the Knicks were confident they can do the Bridges deal without being hardcapped at the 1st apron and that they have interest in bringing Precious back. Take that for what it’s worth. Someone will pay Burks more than the minimum I would think and the Knicks can give them a sweetener to join the sign and trade. That’s the ideal scenario I think
Pickings are slim... Don't have a second string center
And in the same breath that they extend White and Tatum.
nothing is official until new league year on 7/6. Right now that trade is the same as the free agent signings we heard about today - agreed upon but not official.
No Knicks' beat reporter ever contradicted that report or said that the Knicks expected iHart to return.
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The Bridges deal? Could there be a third team play going on here?
nothing is official until new league year on 7/6. Right now that trade is the same as the free agent signings we heard about today - agreed upon but not official.
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Yeah if be shocked if they dont trade for someone..
Its still also possible they trade for someone a little more offensively gifted..
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I find it very hard to believe the Knicks did not have a plan B. It sounds like they were in it right until the very end, and my guess is they've been working the phone all day for a trade now. The targets they liked were leaked and the only one left was Richards, but we'll see if they have something else up their sleeve.
Yeah if be shocked if they dont trade for someone..
Its still also possible they trade for someone a little more offensively gifted..
I love Mo Bamba, in theory - a long, athletic stretch-5 who can shoot the 3. But in practice, he's not very good.
WFAN was idiot central today. Listened in the afternoon as one of the hosts went on and on about how Thibs playing guys too much will be a major problem (on what will be one of the deepest teams in the league). Just dumb shit.
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Free agent center Mo Bamba has agreed on a one-year deal with the Los Angeles Clippers, sources tell ESPN.
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WFAN was idiot central today. Listened in the afternoon as one of the hosts went on and on about how Thibs playing guys too much will be a major problem (on what will be one of the deepest teams in the league). Just dumb shit.
I bet it was Morash, he is a Nets fan and hates the Knicks
Scal & Isola were laughing at them this morning.
Agree that FA Centers have flown off the board quickly, but the guy I think fits the Knicks well is still out there. Mo Wagner isn't iHart,but he'd give them some of his attributes & be a good duo with Mitch. The question will be how much does he want? Seems the backup FA C market is being overpaid!
Wtf is the Lakers plan? Going to give LeBron the max? That is really going to be ugly these next few years. They should tear it down imo.
And what in the world are the Pistons doing?
Two plus player option. Seems like a good deal for both sides.
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In his NBA career. It's not gonna happen fellas. I don't see Wiseman as a Thibs or Knicks culture kind of guy although I do agree his talent is intriguing. The way the Knicks develop bigs he's probably worth the squeeze but doubt it happens. Probably there's a trade out there as the free agent C list has dried up into a desert.
Agree that FA Centers have flown off the board quickly, but the guy I think fits the Knicks well is still out there. Mo Wagner isn't iHart,but he'd give them some of his attributes & be a good duo with Mitch. The question will be how much does he want? Seems the backup FA C market is being overpaid!
Everyone seems to believe that Orland is going to retain Wagner which is probably why he hasn’t been talked about much.
I'm being greedy here, but is there any chance for the Knicks to trade for Davis? What picks do they have left they could use in an trade?
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that the national media wont talk about how nobody wants to play for the Lakers?
I'm being greedy here, but is there any chance for the Knicks to trade for Davis? What picks do they have left they could use in an trade?
I dount it, AD is most likely tied to Lebron until he retires, Klutch isnt going to allow Lebron to be on the lakers without another star
Nobody knows for sure because we don't know what apron the Knicks are at because the Bridges trade hasn't been officially finalized and announced. Everyone's best guess is that the Knicks have the tax payer MLE to spend which is like 5.9 million.
They also habe a couple of trade exceptions that they can use if they can spend to the 2nd apron
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that the national media wont talk about how nobody wants to play for the Lakers?
I'm being greedy here, but is there any chance for the Knicks to trade for Davis? What picks do they have left they could use in an trade?
No chance of that. We don't have the assets anymore + no way he goes anywhere
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James Wiseman on Taj Gibson: “Man, just a short time, he's given me a lot of confidence. Always speaking to me, always telling me just play my game, play free out there, play with a clear mind”
you can, you just cant combine exceptions and the entire returning salary has to fit within them.
ex. the nets are technically accepting bogdonovic into an existing trade exception from dinwiddie along with the picks, then creating a new $23m exception from bridges to knicks.
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Regarding the future of point guard Rokas Jokubaitis, Peñarroya mentioned that "he has a contract with the club" and is currently part of the team, hinting that "the summer is always very long.""
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Did they not listen to his podcast where he said he didnt want to do the dirty work?
And the analysis is the best oh they have 3 top players they are really good, its like they dont learn from everyone saying the Suns and Bucks were finals bound..
Did they not listen to his podcast where he said he didnt want to do the dirty work?
And the analysis is the best oh they have 3 top players they are really good, its like they dont learn from everyone saying the Suns and Bucks were finals bound..
Scal addressed this this morning. He agrees they have nothing after the top 3 so its hard to see them competing with the other top teams in the East. He did say from the beginning last year that the Phoenix thing was a klunky roster fit with Beal not really complementing the other 2 because they all live in the mid range. He thinks the Philly thing is more symmetrical because their games compliment eachother better.
Did they not listen to his podcast where he said he didnt want to do the dirty work?
And the analysis is the best oh they have 3 top players they are really good, its like they dont learn from everyone saying the Suns and Bucks were finals bound..
Philly is going to get all the love as they technically still have the "best" player on either of our rosters in Embiid. BUT, Embiid still has the injury and playoff hurdles to overcome and until proven otherwise those are huge concerns.
Give me the Knicks roster top to bottom over Philly's any day of the week.
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everyone talking about thr Sixers and Paul George and how he is the 3rd guy and he can be a 3 and d wing who can guard the other teams best perimiter player..
Did they not listen to his podcast where he said he didnt want to do the dirty work?
And the analysis is the best oh they have 3 top players they are really good, its like they dont learn from everyone saying the Suns and Bucks were finals bound..
Scal addressed this this morning. He agrees they have nothing after the top 3 so its hard to see them competing with the other top teams in the East. He did say from the beginning last year that the Phoenix thing was a klunky roster fit with Beal not really complementing the other 2 because they all live in the mid range. He thinks the Philly thing is more symmetrical because their games compliment eachother better.
They only compliment if George agrees to be the 3rd guy and play that role...
I was listening to firdt tske this morning and they had chine on and she said they have 3 guys to equal 83 points, sure when they all get 20 shots and are the number 1 options, not all of them are going to be able to score
He's 31th all-time in points scored (remarkably, less than 100 less points than Steph Curry). He's a near lock to finish top 20 and a legitimate chance of finishing top 10 am I the only one who finds this nuts?
Philly is going to get all the love as they technically still have the "best" player on either of our rosters in Embiid. BUT, Embiid still has the injury and playoff hurdles to overcome and until proven otherwise those are huge concerns.
Give me the Knicks roster top to bottom over Philly's any day of the week.
Lost in all of the talk of Embiid’s injuries is that George has actually played less games than Embiid the past 5 seasons.
He's 31th all-time in points scored (remarkably, less than 100 less points than Steph Curry). He's a near lock to finish top 20 and a legitimate chance of finishing top 10 am I the only one who finds this nuts?
He kills us every time we play them I wish we could get him cheap. No way though. And the center (I won’t try to spell his name) kills us too
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Philly is going to get all the love as they technically still have the "best" player on either of our rosters in Embiid. BUT, Embiid still has the injury and playoff hurdles to overcome and until proven otherwise those are huge concerns.
Give me the Knicks roster top to bottom over Philly's any day of the week.
Lost in all of the talk of Embiid’s injuries is that George has actually played less games than Embiid the past 5 seasons.
And has really struggled in the playoffs for most of his career
New CBA you have spend 90% of the cap
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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I can't imagine there was anyone else who was offering close to what he got. New GM, more of the same over there
New CBA you have spend 90% of the cap
It's not like he was the only FA, they should've signed several guys to smaller contracts who could become valuable trade chips at the deadline. That contract will be very hard to move
He's 31th all-time in points scored (remarkably, less than 100 less points than Steph Curry). He's a near lock to finish top 20 and a legitimate chance of finishing top 10 am I the only one who finds this nuts?
Yeah I realized this morning he was still out there. Amazing. these JAGS are moving all over the league the past few days and nobody is interested in DeRozan?
It's slim pickings. I'm starting to get the feeling the plan is just to bring Precious back and roll with what we have
I think the Knicks resign Precious and a veteran big man like Daniel Theis. If Randle doesn’t sign an extension soon in August, I think he could be used in a trade for a really good starting 5 and either draft capital or more depth.
@BenRitholtzNBA
An essential note about 2 of the names that have have bandied about last couple of days, Mo Wagner and Day’Ron Sharpe:
Defensively, both conceded >63% at the rim last season,two of the worst marks among centers in the NBA (in front of only Jokic, Kelly O, JV, Nance).
Rit Holtzman
@BenRitholtzNBA
In contrast, 2 other available names, Tillman and Wiseman, graded out much better in this rim protection metric (54% and 56%, respectively).
Important to note with what Thibs expects from his 5-men.
They couldn't keep iHart because they couldn't offer the money.
Bridges was top priority and making that move put a significant constraint on replacing iHart.
From Begley's reporting, they knew iHart was gone before the draft, so they did not manage the draft thinking he was coming back.
They may think the trade deadline will be a better environment for making a move for a significant big.
The current roster situation is far from ideal, but it doesn't mean anything happened that wasn't expected.
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there could be a trade but at this point in time it really looks like we got caught with our pants down on the Ihart situation. They can't sell to us that Precious/Mitch/Simms measure up to what we had with IHart.
They couldn't keep iHart because they couldn't offer the money.
Bridges was top priority and making that move put a significant constraint on replacing iHart.
From Begley's reporting, they knew iHart was gone before the draft, so they did not manage the draft thinking he was coming back.
They may think the trade deadline will be a better environment for making a move for a significant big.
The current roster situation is far from ideal, but it doesn't mean anything happened that wasn't expected.
I don't buy that at all. This sounds like a PR stunt.
The Knicks wanted him back. Ajr posted he was coming back. When pressed on it, he said that is what the Knicks expect. Everything they did in the draft was leaning in this direction. Then add in that they missed the whole C market waiting on a decision from IHart. I don't blame IHart for taking the deal at all but nothing the Knicks did shows they knew IHart wasn't returning.
@TheDunkCentral
The New York Knicks are showing interest in Walker Kessler, per @MikeAScotto
“The Knicks have also made inquiries on the trade market, showing interest in Jazz center Walker Kessler, league sources told HoopsHype, along with Hornets center Nick Richards, as previously reportedby HoopsHype.”
you dont beat the celtics by playing Mitchell Robinson at the 5, Knicks will finish with Randle at the 5 on most nights..
Knicks have some of the best pperimiter defense in the NBA, their defense transformed last yesr because of OG..
On a lot of nights OG or Bridges are going to be able to just roam on defense and help on everything
He does but he's also been pretty accurate with Knicks intel as of late. IE he was the only one in-season who mentioned the Knicks were trying to trade for OG before the deal.
Of course, there's a big difference between inquiring about a player and there actually being legs to a deal
I thought he nailed a few good ones…or maybe I’m confusing him with Jake Fischer and Evan Sidery
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to be a downer but Scotto seems to have a lot of "rumors" that nobody else has if you get what I mean...
I thought he nailed a few good ones…or maybe I’m confusing him with Jake Fischer and Evan Sidery
Sidery is just an aggregator. Like Dov Kleinman is for nfl news
"There’s a belief from rival executives that Utah would listen to trade calls for Kessler, whereas last year, the sense was he was not for sale.
Richards is coming off his best season as a pro and has two years and $10 million remaining on his contract. He averaged 9.7 points, grabbed 8.0 rebounds, and blocked 1.1 shots per game in 26.3 minutes while starting 51 of 67 games.
I have watched Kessler play and he is a force out there on defense. The Jazz is significantly better when he plays too as evidenced by his on/off splits.
That seems like a lot for him after giving Goga $8M/ while apparently working on an extension with Isaac.
Precious and/or trade it is then
Kessler isn't being dangled, they just have a glut of C's at the moment. Also we can only deal two picks and they're both heavily protected anyways.
Kessler is 22 and under contract for the next two years before becoming a RFA. He'd be part of the long-term core and would likely supplant Mitch as the starter eventually.
He's one of, if not the best fit that's out there given his age, contract and what the Knicks ask for from their big men. I'm a fan of Nick Richards and would like that move quite a bit but Kessler would be worth giving up more for if he's actually attainable.
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Trying to trade for a player that that piece of shit Danny Ainge is dangling. He probably will want every possible pick we can deal, DD and Bridges for the immortal Walker friggen Kessler. This C thing will probably be a work in progress all season and we have to pray Mitch stays healthy. Hopefully come in season or deadline if we want someone it's on a team below the apron because we won't be able to take in more money than we're sending out right?
Kessler isn't being dangled, they just have a glut of C's at the moment. Also we can only deal two picks and they're both heavily protected anyways.
Kessler is 22 and under contract for the next two years before becoming a RFA. He'd be part of the long-term core and would likely supplant Mitch as the starter eventually.
He's one of, if not the best fit that's out there given his age, contract and what the Knicks ask for from their big men. I'm a fan of Nick Richards and would like that move quite a bit but Kessler would be worth giving up more for if he's actually attainable.
I wasn't bashing Kessler. He'd be a terrific fit but not really getting my hopes up at all with Ainge involved.
There's your three man center rotation.
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Trying to trade for a player that that piece of shit Danny Ainge is dangling. He probably will want every possible pick we can deal, DD and Bridges for the immortal Walker friggen Kessler. This C thing will probably be a work in progress all season and we have to pray Mitch stays healthy. Hopefully come in season or deadline if we want someone it's on a team below the apron because we won't be able to take in more money than we're sending out right?
Kessler isn't being dangled, they just have a glut of C's at the moment. Also we can only deal two picks and they're both heavily protected anyways.
Kessler is 22 and under contract for the next two years before becoming a RFA. He'd be part of the long-term core and would likely supplant Mitch as the starter eventually.
He's one of, if not the best fit that's out there given his age, contract and what the Knicks ask for from their big men. I'm a fan of Nick Richards and would like that move quite a bit but Kessler would be worth giving up more for if he's actually attainable.
Agreed. This would be a hell of a get.
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to be a downer but Scotto seems to have a lot of "rumors" that nobody else has if you get what I mean...
I thought he nailed a few good ones…or maybe I’m confusing him with Jake Fischer and Evan Sidery
Evan Sidery steals info from others and posts its. Jake Fischer has not been right about anything. Scotto is friendly with Begley so maybe there is some truth to it. It still comes down to Woj and Shams these days. I have a feeling Shams will end up the insider on NBC when their package begins.
If you went into the season expecting 48 minutes from a true center, that only leaves 192 minutes at the other 4 spots to split between everyone. Looking at how these guys should ideally be used you’re looking at the following:
Brunson, Bridges, OG and Randle will each get close to 35 minutes per night.
Hart and Divencenzo will get 25-30 each, and then Deuce probably has earned about 15.
That’s 210 minutes right there, which is 18 minutes too many. Easiest way to clear up the log jam is to give those 18 extra minutes to Randle or OG in some combination at Center.
Figure Mitch should play around 25 per night, and then you bring back Precious to get the other 5 and serve as the emergency plan if Mitch misses time.
Very odd.
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I think Precious opens up the easiest avenue..
During the same radio appearance Begley said that the Knicks were confident they can do the Bridges deal without being hardcapped at the 1st apron and that they have interest in bringing Precious back. Take that for what it’s worth. Someone will pay Burks more than the minimum I would think and the Knicks can give them a sweetener to join the sign and trade. That’s the ideal scenario I think
That makes a lot of sense. I guess one or two of those superfluous 2nd rounders that the Knicks acquired during the draft could be put to use in such a S&T.
If you went into the season expecting 48 minutes from a true center, that only leaves 192 minutes at the other 4 spots to split between everyone. Looking at how these guys should ideally be used you’re looking at the following:
Brunson, Bridges, OG and Randle will each get close to 35 minutes per night.
Hart and Divencenzo will get 25-30 each, and then Deuce probably has earned about 15.
That’s 210 minutes right there, which is 18 minutes too many. Easiest way to clear up the log jam is to give those 18 extra minutes to Randle or OG in some combination at Center.
Figure Mitch should play around 25 per night, and then you bring back Precious to get the other 5 and serve as the emergency plan if Mitch misses time.
I'm not totally sure if I agree with that. Lets say they trade Deuce for Kessler and sign Lowry for vet min:
Mitch (24)/Kessler (24)
Randle (34)/OG (14)
OG (20)/ Hart (24)/ Bridges (4)
Mikal (30)/ DDV (18)
JB (34)/ Lowry (14)
9 man rotation, 4 starters playing 34 minutes each which isn't a ton. Divencenzo may get a little screwed on the minutes but over the course of the season all 9 of these guys will play plenty
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Purposes in the event that Robinson goes down again. With the roster constructed as is, there is a big time numbers crunch for minutes that clears itself up if Thibs is forced to use OG/Randle at the 5.
If you went into the season expecting 48 minutes from a true center, that only leaves 192 minutes at the other 4 spots to split between everyone. Looking at how these guys should ideally be used you’re looking at the following:
Brunson, Bridges, OG and Randle will each get close to 35 minutes per night.
Hart and Divencenzo will get 25-30 each, and then Deuce probably has earned about 15.
That’s 210 minutes right there, which is 18 minutes too many. Easiest way to clear up the log jam is to give those 18 extra minutes to Randle or OG in some combination at Center.
Figure Mitch should play around 25 per night, and then you bring back Precious to get the other 5 and serve as the emergency plan if Mitch misses time.
I'm not totally sure if I agree with that. Lets say they trade Deuce for Kessler and sign Lowry for vet min:
Mitch (24)/Kessler (24)
Randle (34)/OG (14)
OG (20)/ Hart (24)/ Bridges (4)
Mikal (30)/ DDV (18)
JB (34)/ Lowry (14)
9 man rotation, 4 starters playing 34 minutes each which isn't a ton. Divencenzo may get a little screwed on the minutes but over the course of the season all 9 of these guys will play plenty
I think this is close to what it would look like if they were to get someone like Kessler. If not, then I think we'll see more lineups with OG and Randle as your 4/5 with Brunson Bridges OG, and Donte/Hart. That line up with Donte would be really damn good offensively.
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I bet Ainge would ask for Dadiet AND Deuce because he just loves fucking the Knicks over.
Knicks fired Mike D'Antoni
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had a pre draft visit with the Jazz, just saying.
I bet Ainge would ask for Dadiet AND Deuce because he just loves fucking the Knicks over.
I would do that deal tbh
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had a pre draft visit with the Jazz, just saying.
I bet Ainge would ask for Dadiet AND Deuce because he just loves fucking the Knicks over.
I would do that deal tbh
Same here. Easily. I think the asking price will be higher fwiw
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had a pre draft visit with the Jazz, just saying.
I bet Ainge would ask for Dadiet AND Deuce because he just loves fucking the Knicks over.
I would do that deal tbh
In a NY second.
i have no idea what the magic are doing.
that roster is screaming for some kind of consolidation trade like Suggs/Anthony/filler for Garland.
as a Nets fan Suggs/Franz as RFAs next year look like appealing targets. Are Magic going to pay both of them with all the money they've given out this year plus a 1/4 $bn banchero extension imminent?
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where are all the minutes coming from? they going to play big again?
i have no idea what the magic are doing.
that roster is screaming for some kind of consolidation trade like Suggs/Anthony/filler for Garland.
as a Nets fan Suggs/Franz as RFAs next year look like appealing targets. Are Magic going to pay both of them with all the money they've given out this year plus a 1/4 $bn banchero extension imminent?
Kind of reminds me of the Knicks a couple of years ago
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Thanks really good stuff. With the way the Knicks have developed bigs lately really excited to see what they can do with him. At 22 hopefully he can contribute right away.
Specifically mentions a lineup of Deuce-DDV-Hart-Bridges-OG which is kind of crazy but could be super fun.
He also mentions Nick Richards and Walker Kessler as options.
Specifically mentions a lineup of Deuce-DDV-Hart-Bridges-OG which is kind of crazy but could be super fun.
He also mentions Nick Richards and Walker Kessler as options.
He has mentioned this before that Thibs mentioned doing these type of things with OG but he got hurt and whrn he came back it was just about getting him back into the flow
The last two games before the game OG was injured, iHart was out injured.
Sims started both those games and, again, split minutes with Precious such that one of them was always on the floor.
Whether, and to what extent, OG was playing the role of the 5 on the floor in the January games isn't revealed by the box score.
Knicks won both games iHart was out, over the Nets and Nuggets.
Great link. He reminds me a little of Mitch. I think we may have got a good backup center with the last pick in the 2nd round when we needed one badly.
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Purposes in the event that Robinson goes down again. With the roster constructed as is, there is a big time numbers crunch for minutes that clears itself up if Thibs is forced to use OG/Randle at the 5.
If you went into the season expecting 48 minutes from a true center, that only leaves 192 minutes at the other 4 spots to split between everyone. Looking at how these guys should ideally be used you’re looking at the following:
Brunson, Bridges, OG and Randle will each get close to 35 minutes per night.
Hart and Divencenzo will get 25-30 each, and then Deuce probably has earned about 15.
That’s 210 minutes right there, which is 18 minutes too many. Easiest way to clear up the log jam is to give those 18 extra minutes to Randle or OG in some combination at Center.
Figure Mitch should play around 25 per night, and then you bring back Precious to get the other 5 and serve as the emergency plan if Mitch misses time.
I'm not totally sure if I agree with that. Lets say they trade Deuce for Kessler and sign Lowry for vet min:
Mitch (24)/Kessler (24)
Randle (34)/OG (14)
OG (20)/ Hart (24)/ Bridges (4)
Mikal (30)/ DDV (18)
JB (34)/ Lowry (14)
9 man rotation, 4 starters playing 34 minutes each which isn't a ton. Divencenzo may get a little screwed on the minutes but over the course of the season all 9 of these guys will play plenty
I especially liked the part where it showed him making some nice passes out of the high post. Granted most of them were relatively easy but lets face it, that was the part of Ihart's game that endeared him most to Knicks fans.
Especially since the team was missing a steady facilitator on the second unit after the Quickly trade.
Personally, I think the return of Randle, the addition of Bridges (2.2 career AST/TO ratio), and hopefully some contribution from the 2nd round point guard should alleviate that issue.
Yeah, it is. You usually don't see a guy two years removed from his Draft and a former ROTY contender in the SL.
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Duke/Creighton alum Alex O’Connell will with Knicks at Summer League, per sources. Knicks have O’Connell’s G League rights & he impressed them during a recent free agent minicamp. They see O’Connell as a strong candidate for an E-10 deal. He played in Serie A last season.
@IanBegley
Duke/Creighton alum Alex O’Connell will with Knicks at Summer League, per sources. Knicks have O’Connell’s G League rights & he impressed them during a recent free agent minicamp. They see O’Connell as a strong candidate for an E-10 deal. He played in Serie A last season.
Duke? I'm guessing he didn't start.
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@IanBegley
Duke/Creighton alum Alex O’Connell will with Knicks at Summer League, per sources. Knicks have O’Connell’s G League rights & he impressed them during a recent free agent minicamp. They see O’Connell as a strong candidate for an E-10 deal. He played in Serie A last season.
Duke? I'm guessing he didn't start.
14 starts with Duke
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@IanBegley
Duke/Creighton alum Alex O’Connell will with Knicks at Summer League, per sources. Knicks have O’Connell’s G League rights & he impressed them during a recent free agent minicamp. They see O’Connell as a strong candidate for an E-10 deal. He played in Serie A last season.
Duke? I'm guessing he didn't start.
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Haha, he was on the Zion/RJ/Reddish/Tre Jones superteam. No wonder I never heard of him....though for some reason I remember Jack White.
Utah is telling us how they feel about Kessler.
Third year rotation player in SL? Drafting a center and signing a center?
They don't value him. I don't know why, but we should take advantage.
Kessler made last year's FIBA team that Brunson and Hart was on. The pieces don't all align unless there is something behind the scenes and he's a dick to the coaches or a complete lunatic, but that seems unlikely.
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Ian Begley
@IanBegley
Duke/Creighton alum Alex O’Connell will with Knicks at Summer League, per sources. Knicks have O’Connell’s G League rights & he impressed them during a recent free agent minicamp. They see O’Connell as a strong candidate for an E-10 deal. He played in Serie A last season.
Duke? I'm guessing he didn't start.
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Woah
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The Knicks have been a hot topic this offseason. They gave up a boatload of draft picks to get Mikal Bridges from Brooklyn and are bringing back OG Anunoby, giving the title contenders one of the best wing duos in the NBA. That move, though, also puts New York in jeopardy of being hard-capped at the first apron, which, by all accounts, isn’t something the team is interested in.
The Knicks need to shed about $4.3 million to avoid this. Detroit can capitalize on this given its remaining financial flexibility while still addressing needs in the process.
Here is what a trade would have to look like to, potentially, satisfy both sides:
Pistons receive Mitchell Robinson, Miles McBride, a 2025 first-round pick (via Detroit) and multiple future seconds
Knicks receive Jalen Duren and Jaden Ivey
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The Knicks have been a hot topic this offseason. They gave up a boatload of draft picks to get Mikal Bridges from Brooklyn and are bringing back OG Anunoby, giving the title contenders one of the best wing duos in the NBA. That move, though, also puts New York in jeopardy of being hard-capped at the first apron, which, by all accounts, isn’t something the team is interested in.
The Knicks need to shed about $4.3 million to avoid this. Detroit can capitalize on this given its remaining financial flexibility while still addressing needs in the process.
Here is what a trade would have to look like to, potentially, satisfy both sides:
Pistons receive Mitchell Robinson, Miles McBride, a 2025 first-round pick (via Detroit) and multiple future seconds
Knicks receive Jalen Duren and Jaden Ivey Link - ( New Window )
Definitely intrigued but not a no brainer for me. It's a lot to give up given that Duren really struggled as a rim protector this years and Ivey has a ways to go in his development. Certainly higher upside players than what the Knicks are giving up, (by quite a bit) but is that a risk a team with title contending aspirations would be willing to make?
The Knicks have been a hot topic this offseason. They gave up a boatload of draft picks to get Mikal Bridges from Brooklyn and are bringing back OG Anunoby, giving the title contenders one of the best wing duos in the NBA. That move, though, also puts New York in jeopardy of being hard-capped at the first apron, which, by all accounts, isn’t something the team is interested in.
The Knicks need to shed about $4.3 million to avoid this. Detroit can capitalize on this given its remaining financial flexibility while still addressing needs in the process.
Here is what a trade would have to look like to, potentially, satisfy both sides:
Pistons receive Mitchell Robinson, Miles McBride, a 2025 first-round pick (via Detroit) and multiple future seconds
Knicks receive Jalen Duren and Jaden Ivey Link - ( New Window )
Oh man...I'd probably do that. I think Deuce and Dadiet and a pick for Kessler is cleaner but Duren is really good and only should get better.
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Starting two 34 year old non shooters at your wing positions…is certainly a choice. Really not sure what the Heat’s long term strategy is here
I think you’re probably right, I just hate the spot we’re in currently which is relying on a healthy Mitch for all season and a playoff run.
I'd love if they could get Kessler somehow. Not sure that Ainge wouldn't drag us over the coals.
Right, but they do gain in:
-athleticism
-durability
-upside
-slight edge in rebounding/scoring
-FT shooting
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Leaves them in the same spot of needing another center and they get worse on defense there
Right, but they do gain in:
-athleticism
-durability
-upside
-slight edge in rebounding/scoring
-FT shooting
They get all that from Randle at the 5 in spurts as well. A Duren addition only makes sense either with Mitch or with the trade also including a backup center who is good defensively
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Leaves them in the same spot of needing another center and they get worse on defense there
Right, but they do gain in:
-athleticism
-durability
-upside
-slight edge in rebounding/scoring
-FT shooting
They get all that from Randle at the 5 in spurts as well. A Duren addition only makes sense either with Mitch or with the trade also including a backup center who is good defensively
Thibs doesn't really employ a small ball 5 unless absolutely forced to (injuries or foul trouble)
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Leaves them in the same spot of needing another center and they get worse on defense there
Right, but they do gain in:
-athleticism
-durability
-upside
-slight edge in rebounding/scoring
-FT shooting
They get all that from Randle at the 5 in spurts as well. A Duren addition only makes sense either with Mitch or with the trade also including a backup center who is good defensively
AJ - anything cooking with Kessler or another center?
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Leaves them in the same spot of needing another center and they get worse on defense there
Right, but they do gain in:
-athleticism
-durability
-upside
-slight edge in rebounding/scoring
-FT shooting
They get all that from Randle at the 5 in spurts as well. A Duren addition only makes sense either with Mitch or with the trade also including a backup center who is good defensively
Thibs doesn't really employ a small ball 5 unless absolutely forced to (injuries or foul trouble)
Historically no, but Fred Katz who is as plugged in as it gets suggests they had planned to play some OG small ball 5 before his injuries. Not as a primary backup I'd assume, but situationally sure why not. Could be our best weapon against the Celtics in fact.
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Leaves them in the same spot of needing another center and they get worse on defense there
Right, but they do gain in:
-athleticism
-durability
-upside
-slight edge in rebounding/scoring
-FT shooting
They get all that from Randle at the 5 in spurts as well. A Duren addition only makes sense either with Mitch or with the trade also including a backup center who is good defensively
AJ - anything cooking with Kessler or another center?
Nothing as of now
Noel stinks at this point. Precious is a better option by an order of magnitude
Thibs doesn't really employ a small ball 5 unless absolutely forced to (injuries or foul trouble)
Exactly. All that talk had a very “I’ll believe it when I see it” feel.
Precious for the regular season is fine. Gonna have to add a real big at the deadline or hopefully earlier.
I’m also in the Sims Stinks camp. There’s no reason why he shouldn’t be like Brandon Clarke, but he just has ZERO basketball IQ.
Overal I agree because they need to get through the regular season healthier than they did last year and Mitch is going to miss time at some point, probably a minimum of 17-20 games. Come playoff time though I think they'd be fine against anyone they'd go up against with Mitch/Precious. I'd love to upgrade and get Kessler, Richards or someone like that but it may not be feasible. If the asking price on those two are too high, there aren't many options around the league where the Knicks can make the money work without including Donte, Hart, Mitch or Randle.
They’re still a 55-60 win team as currently constructed
Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
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Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
Scratch that, they can't fold Burks into the deal as a sign and trade. Has to be a 3+ year deal to do that.
They’re still a 55-60 win team as currently constructed
This does make a lot of sense
Not sure who has money left but I would think he'd get more than $5M/yr. If the money is close though, he'd be smart to come to the Knicks given the PT and potential to increase his value like a lot of Knicks in recent years
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Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
I heard/read that teams can't trade their draft picks from this draft until 30 days have passed. I'm not sure if that applies to both first and second round picks or just 1st rounders though.
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Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
I heard/read that teams can't trade their draft picks from this draft until 30 days have passed. I'm not sure if that applies to both first and second round picks or just 1st rounders though.
Yeah that's true once they sign their contracts. It doesn't really make a difference though if it's finalized on 7/6 or 8/6
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Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
I heard/read that teams can't trade their draft picks from this draft until 30 days have passed. I'm not sure if that applies to both first and second round picks or just 1st rounders though.
Ironically, a couple of years ago Walker Kessler was traded two weeks after he was drafted or something.
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To Miami. 1 year deal
Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
I heard/read that teams can't trade their draft picks from this draft until 30 days have passed. I'm not sure if that applies to both first and second round picks or just 1st rounders though.
Yeah that's true once they sign their contracts. It doesn't really make a difference though if it's finalized on 7/6 or 8/6
Ah, ok. Thanks. So they would have to pay this Hukorti fella a bit more than the usual 2nd round pick gets, right? I saw Jeremy Cohen talking about this on Knicks Film School and on his Twitter/X page.
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Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
I heard/read that teams can't trade their draft picks from this draft until 30 days have passed. I'm not sure if that applies to both first and second round picks or just 1st rounders though.
Ironically, a couple of years ago Walker Kessler was traded two weeks after he was drafted or something.
Haha!! Wild man! Was that before he signed his deal though Anakim? From what I'm learning I'm assuming the answer's yes, right?
If you include the Deuce for Kessler component as a three way deal, it's very easy to complete this trade AND not be hard capped at the first apron, since Deuce is making 4.7 mil and Kessler 2.9
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To Miami. 1 year deal
Unless they're going to fold this into the Mikal deal, the path to avoiding the hard cap at the first apron gets a little trickier. If they're not retaining Precious they could fold that into a sign and trade but as of now, he appears to be the best backup big option. Short of trading Deuce or Dadiet, that leaves one option which is to sign one of the second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum and include them. So I wouldn't get too attached to Hukporti
I heard/read that teams can't trade their draft picks from this draft until 30 days have passed. I'm not sure if that applies to both first and second round picks or just 1st rounders though.
Ironically, a couple of years ago Walker Kessler was traded two weeks after he was drafted or something.
Haha!! Wild man! Was that before he signed his deal though Anakim? From what I'm learning I'm assuming the answer's yes, right?
Yep, it was before he signed.
"Kessler was selected by the Memphis Grizzlies with the 22nd overall pick before being traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves, alongside TyTy Washington, for Jake LaRavia. On July 6, 2022, two weeks after being drafted, Kessler was traded along with Patrick Beverley, Jarred Vanderbilt, Leandro Bolmaro, Malik Beasley, four future first round picks, and a pick swap to the Utah Jazz in exchange for Rudy Gobert. On July 9, Kessler signed his rookie scale contract with the Jazz."
If you include the Deuce for Kessler component as a three way deal, it's very easy to complete this trade AND not be hard capped at the first apron, since Deuce is making 4.7 mil and Kessler 2.9
Yeah, maybe they expand it to include a third team, or Nets add Sharpe to the deal?
If you include the Deuce for Kessler component as a three way deal, it's very easy to complete this trade AND not be hard capped at the first apron, since Deuce is making 4.7 mil and Kessler 2.9
Is there any indication that this is actually happening, besides the numbers working?
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like the Bridges trade will be expanded.
If you include the Deuce for Kessler component as a three way deal, it's very easy to complete this trade AND not be hard capped at the first apron, since Deuce is making 4.7 mil and Kessler 2.9
Is there any indication that this is actually happening, besides the numbers working?
Keith Smith who is pretty reputable despite working for some random online sports publication said the Knicks are working on expanding the deal.
Adding deuce and Walker is just a theory from me
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like the Bridges trade will be expanded.
If you include the Deuce for Kessler component as a three way deal, it's very easy to complete this trade AND not be hard capped at the first apron, since Deuce is making 4.7 mil and Kessler 2.9
Is there any indication that this is actually happening, besides the numbers working?
Keith Smith who is pretty reputable despite working for some random online sports publication said the Knicks are working on expanding the deal.
Adding deuce and Walker is just a theory from me
Yeah I saw that tweet tonight. He was very cryptic though, said in multiple trades were possibly working to expand them and mentioned the Knicks-Nets one as a specific examples but gave no specifics.
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like the Bridges trade will be expanded.
If you include the Deuce for Kessler component as a three way deal, it's very easy to complete this trade AND not be hard capped at the first apron, since Deuce is making 4.7 mil and Kessler 2.9
Is there any indication that this is actually happening, besides the numbers working?
Keith Smith who is pretty reputable despite working for some random online sports publication said the Knicks are working on expanding the deal.
Adding deuce and Walker is just a theory from me
Yeah I saw that tweet tonight. He was very cryptic though, said in multiple trades were possibly working to expand them and mentioned the Knicks-Nets one as a specific examples but gave no specifics.
Reads as spitballing to me. I very much doubt that Keith Smith is the one person who an insider decided to give information to.
Reads as spitballing to me. I very much doubt that Keith Smith is the one person who an insider decided to give information to.
I'm not going to spend my July 4th here defending Keith Smith, but he's got 150k followers on twitter including Marc Stein, Jake Fischer, Begley, Zach Lowe, etc and has broken plenty of news before. He's a reputable source.
What’s the Jarrett Culver thing?
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like the Bridges trade will be expanded.
If you include the Deuce for Kessler component as a three way deal, it's very easy to complete this trade AND not be hard capped at the first apron, since Deuce is making 4.7 mil and Kessler 2.9
Is there any indication that this is actually happening, besides the numbers working?
Keith Smith who is pretty reputable despite working for some random online sports publication said the Knicks are working on expanding the deal.
Adding deuce and Walker is just a theory from me
Yeah I saw that tweet tonight. He was very cryptic though, said in multiple trades were possibly working to expand them and mentioned the Knicks-Nets one as a specific examples but gave no specifics.
Reads as spitballing to me. I very much doubt that Keith Smith is the one person who an insider decided to give information to.
Fred Katz has said the same thing
It doesn’t matter as much but it’d still be ideal to avoid getting hardcapped at the 2nd apron. Right now they’re projected to be ~$5M under the first apron. If they resign Precious that would at a minimum eat up most of that and leave them with little room to maneuver in-season.
They have enough flexibility to re-sign Precious Achiuwa and use the $5.2 million taxpayer mid-level exception.
Thibs actually drafted him when he was in Minnesota
Buyout was 850K
This isn't all that surprising to me. Everyone was assuming he was a stash, but nobody told Dadiet that. He showed up to the draft, put the hat on and showed up at the facility the next day. That's not the behavior of a stash. If they are really seriously looking at Kessler, Dadiet probably won't be here long because I bet Ainge would insist on him as part of it.
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Unexpected development: The Knicks have signed first-round pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of the rookie scale, league sources say. The move will save the Knicks a significant amount, $904K, under the 2024-25 hard cap. Knicks also paid a buyout to his German team.
Buyout was 850K
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Unexpected development: The Knicks have signed first-round pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of the rookie scale, league sources say. The move will save the Knicks a significant amount, $904K, under the 2024-25 hard cap. Knicks also paid a buyout to his German team.
Buyout was 850K
The Don is wheeling and dealing.
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Unexpected development: The Knicks have signed first-round pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of the rookie scale, league sources say. The move will save the Knicks a significant amount, $904K, under the 2024-25 hard cap. Knicks also paid a buyout to his German team.
Buyout was 850K
The Don is wheeling and dealing.
I mean from the sounds of it the Godfather found a way to pay OG, get Bridges and sign a 1st Rd pick and potentially bring back Precious without getting us hard capped. Sure it sucks losing IHart but that was completely out of our control. Pure genius. I know dealing with Ainge is impossible, but man if we could somehow find a way to pry Kessler away for like Deuce, Dadier + that would be an absolutely insane off season. We'd be one of the few favorites to win it all.
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Maybe he'll be on our SL team?
What’s the Jarrett Culver thing?
The Knicks worked him out
I'd be stunned if they didn't make a significant add there AND bring Precious back.
I'd be stunned if they didn't make a significant add there AND bring Precious back.
The Knicks can survive the first part of the season with Mitch/Precious and Sims at the 5. They may not add a significant big until the trade deadline or after someone is bought out. The Knicks are deep. They’ll be fine.
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to believe that this Knicks front office, which this entire offseason has been operating at an A+ level, can look at a Mitch, Precious, OG center rotation and decide that that's sufficient.
I'd be stunned if they didn't make a significant add there AND bring Precious back.
The Knicks can survive the first part of the season with Mitch/Precious and Sims at the 5. They may not add a significant big until the trade deadline or after someone is bought out. The Knicks are deep. They’ll be fine.
And then they go into the trade deadline desperate for a move? No thanks.
At the very least go get Nick Richards for cheap, but I really want to see us trade for Kessler.
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to believe that this Knicks front office, which this entire offseason has been operating at an A+ level, can look at a Mitch, Precious, OG center rotation and decide that that's sufficient.
I'd be stunned if they didn't make a significant add there AND bring Precious back.
The Knicks can survive the first part of the season with Mitch/Precious and Sims at the 5. They may not add a significant big until the trade deadline or after someone is bought out. The Knicks are deep. They’ll be fine.
Can they? We don't know Mitch's health, but it's safe to say he'll get injured sometime during the season. Precious is undersized and Sims is a jumping bean. They need to add a legit C.
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The Knicks have signed Tyler Kolek to a four-year, $9.06M contract, league source said. Team option on the fourth year. First three years guaranteed.
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Unexpected development: The Knicks have signed first-round pick Pacome Dadiet to 80 percent of the rookie scale, league sources say. The move will save the Knicks a significant amount, $904K, under the 2024-25 hard cap. Knicks also paid a buyout to his German team.
Buyout was 850K
The Don is wheeling and dealing.
I mean from the sounds of it the Godfather found a way to pay OG, get Bridges and sign a 1st Rd pick and potentially bring back Precious without getting us hard capped. Sure it sucks losing IHart but that was completely out of our control. Pure genius. I know dealing with Ainge is impossible, but man if we could somehow find a way to pry Kessler away for like Deuce, Dadier + that would be an absolutely insane off season. We'd be one of the few favorites to win it all.
They can't trade Dadier for 30 days now that they signed him. But Deuce, Sims, Rokas and one of our protected firsts next year for Kessler could work?
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Full Mikal Bridges Knicks Trade:
Knicks Receive:
• Mikal Bridges
• Keita Bates-Diop
Nets Receive:
• Bojan Bogdanovic
• Shake Milton
• Mamadi Diakite
• 4 Unprotected First Round Picks
• 1 Protected First Round Pick
• 1 Pick Swap
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Full Mikal Bridges Knicks Trade:
Knicks Receive:
• Mikal Bridges
• Keita Bates-Diop
Nets Receive:
• Bojan Bogdanovic
• Shake Milton
• Mamadi Diakite
• 4 Unprotected First Round Picks
• 1 Protected First Round Pick
• 1 Pick Swap
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I thought we also got the Nets 2026 second rounder?
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Full Mikal Bridges Knicks Trade:
Knicks Receive:
• Mikal Bridges
• Keita Bates-Diop
Nets Receive:
• Bojan Bogdanovic
• Shake Milton
• Mamadi Diakite
• 4 Unprotected First Round Picks
• 1 Protected First Round Pick
• 1 Pick Swap
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I thought we also got the Nets 2026 second rounder?
They get the worse of Det/Orlando/Mil 2026 2nd
I'd be stunned if they didn't make a significant add there AND bring Precious back.
Watch what their doing with contracts to match or exceed the contracts of prospective centers. I could see them making a trade during the middle of the year.
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to believe that this Knicks front office, which this entire offseason has been operating at an A+ level, can look at a Mitch, Precious, OG center rotation and decide that that's sufficient.
I'd be stunned if they didn't make a significant add there AND bring Precious back.
Watch what their doing with contracts to match or exceed the contracts of prospective centers. I could see them making a trade during the middle of the year.
Which contracts? The only one they gave out so far was OG? Or are you saying for a future Randle extension?
Trying not to get too excited here but I do feel like Begley has been very much on point the entire offseason so far. He was first with the iHart leaving rumors, remained confident in OG staying. I think he has some good sources in the org.
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Trying not to get too excited here but I do feel like Begley has been very much on point the entire offseason so far. He was first with the iHart leaving rumors, remained confident in OG staying. I think he has some good sources in the org. Link - ( New Window )
Deuce, Sims, Rokas, and one of our protected firsts next year for Kessler could work.
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this yesterday but Begley specifically mentions Walker Kessler in talks for a center acquisition, and only Kessler.
Trying not to get too excited here but I do feel like Begley has been very much on point the entire offseason so far. He was first with the iHart leaving rumors, remained confident in OG staying. I think he has some good sources in the org. Link - ( New Window )
Deuce, Sims, Rokas, and one of our protected firsts next year for Kessler could work.
Knicks aren’t trading Deuce unless it’s for a legitimate starting center, which Kessler is not at this point in his career. Utah was unhappy with Kessler last season. Deuce is on a steal of a contract, is young, is an excellent defender and already shoots 40% from 3.
I think the Knicks resign Precious and likely will make an in season trade to bolster the front line or keep the MLE open for when a big gets bought out.
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this yesterday but Begley specifically mentions Walker Kessler in talks for a center acquisition, and only Kessler.
Trying not to get too excited here but I do feel like Begley has been very much on point the entire offseason so far. He was first with the iHart leaving rumors, remained confident in OG staying. I think he has some good sources in the org. Link - ( New Window )
Deuce, Sims, Rokas, and one of our protected firsts next year for Kessler could work.
Knicks aren’t trading Deuce unless it’s for a legitimate starting center, which Kessler is not at this point in his career. Utah was unhappy with Kessler last season. Deuce is on a steal of a contract, is young, is an excellent defender and already shoots 40% from 3.
I think the Knicks resign Precious and likely will make an in season trade to bolster the front line or keep the MLE open for when a big gets bought out.
They won't trade a backup PG who can't run an offense for a backup center on an even better contract and more years of team control since he's a restricted FA?
Idk, we'll see. I think people are overrating Deuce a bit here.
Either way I'm not so sure the Jazz would want him. They won't be good by the time he's going to be a FA. I could see them asking for Dadiet, Sims and future picks.
I don't know what the hell the Magic are doing but if Leon gets just Brunson on a team friendly extension we are lucky
It's it me or is this a bad deal?
It's it me or is this a bad deal?
This is a fun max deal. They're expecting growth from him, even though he was not a good shooter last year they must think that he is still developing.
It's a big deal, but even if his shooting doesn't return to form, you can trade him as he's a young player. I think a lot of these teams feel like they have to pay these guys as a show of good faith.
It's it me or is this a bad deal?
These past 6 months really hammered home just how great Rose and his people are running the Knicks. Listen I'm not killing Wagner he's a nice young player and probably a cornerstone guy there. However with this CBA teams continue to hand out 50-60 mill/per deals like it's candy. Meanwhile Leon treats every dollar of every deal meticulously like it's the end of the world. We're really lucky after all the endless shit shows.
And even if we want to pretend that is the case, the next what, 8 or 9 best players are all Knicks? Great, the Sixers are top heavy and the rest of their roster is absolute trash. The “Big 3” with league minimum players built around them doesn’t work in the NBA anymore. And star obsessed Daryl Morey STILL hasn’t figured that out. And apparently neither has a portion of the media
second-round pick. Prior record was Andrew Nembhard’s $6.4M. Kolek’s Knicks deal is the most a team can pay a second rounder under the second round exception."
This is why I think they could move Deuce for a C. They obviously think a lot of Kolek. I know he's a rookie, but he's 23. If he is part of the rotation as the season goes along between him, Bridges, DD, and Hart Deuce could be the odd man out.
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
Still probably wouldn't break into our rotation but he's playable.
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
They don’t have the ammunition to make a trade for a big fish like that unless a team really desires Julius Randle. The other possibility is if they trade Mitch for a healthier big who has more of the offensive skill set that Hartenstein had. Otherwise, what can Deuce, a couple protected first rounders and a few second rounders really get the Knicks? Definitely not Anthony Davis.
Still probably wouldn't break into our rotation but he's playable.
And they cut Paul Reed. Could be someone of interest...
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Martin to the Sixers. That's an annoyingly good pickup.
Still probably wouldn't break into our rotation but he's playable.
And they cut Paul Reed. Could be someone of interest...
Yeah I'd snap up Bball Paul pretty quickly.
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
They don’t have the ammunition to make a trade for a big fish like that unless a team really desires Julius Randle. The other possibility is if they trade Mitch for a healthier big who has more of the offensive skill set that Hartenstein had. Otherwise, what can Deuce, a couple protected first rounders and a few second rounders really get the Knicks? Definitely not Anthony Davis.
Mitch, Randle, Deuce, 2 protected picks, 1 unprotected future pick and a couple swaps doesn't move the needle for AD?
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
They don’t have the ammunition to make a trade for a big fish like that unless a team really desires Julius Randle. The other possibility is if they trade Mitch for a healthier big who has more of the offensive skill set that Hartenstein had. Otherwise, what can Deuce, a couple protected first rounders and a few second rounders really get the Knicks? Definitely not Anthony Davis.
Mitch, Randle, Deuce, 2 protected picks, 1 unprotected future pick and a couple swaps doesn't move the needle for AD?
Why would the Lakers make that trade?
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
They don’t have the ammunition to make a trade for a big fish like that unless a team really desires Julius Randle. The other possibility is if they trade Mitch for a healthier big who has more of the offensive skill set that Hartenstein had. Otherwise, what can Deuce, a couple protected first rounders and a few second rounders really get the Knicks? Definitely not Anthony Davis.
Mitch, Randle, Deuce, 2 protected picks, 1 unprotected future pick and a couple swaps doesn't move the needle for AD?
Why would the Lakers make that trade?
I have no idea, probably wouldn't, but your previous point was that they don't have ammunition. I don't think that's true.
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
They don’t have the ammunition to make a trade for a big fish like that unless a team really desires Julius Randle. The other possibility is if they trade Mitch for a healthier big who has more of the offensive skill set that Hartenstein had. Otherwise, what can Deuce, a couple protected first rounders and a few second rounders really get the Knicks? Definitely not Anthony Davis.
Mitch, Randle, Deuce, 2 protected picks, 1 unprotected future pick and a couple swaps doesn't move the needle for AD?
Why would the Lakers make that trade?
I have no idea, probably wouldn't, but your previous point was that they don't have ammunition. I don't think that's true.
If that’s the most the Knicks can realistically offer and you concede the Lakers probably wouldn’t make the trade then how can you argue that the Knicks have the ammunition to trade for AD?
The point is if he was to become available the Knicks have a competitive offer. They aren't asset-less.
1. ajr mentioned him as a target (correct me if I'm wrong)
2. Knicks were one of two destinations he was into when he left New Orleans
3. Craig Carton (complete jabroni) said AD was the Knicks' prime target
4. Kendrick Perkins keeps mentioning AD as someone who may ask out
Lakers aren't a real threat to win a title this year with limited flexibility moving forward. It's not likely but also not the craziest thing to suggest he may want out and the Knicks will be right there.
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
Does he actually have sources? I don’t remember any rumors or anything that came to fruition that he was the first guy to break or report on.
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
Does he actually have sources? I don’t remember any rumors or anything that came to fruition that he was the first guy to break or report on.
Not sure, I don't think he's broken news before but he doesn't seem to be the shit stirring type like Robert Randolph lol
Year 1: $30M
Year 2: $28.5M
Year 3: $28.5M (
Year 1: $30M
Year 2: $28.5M
Year 3: $28.5M (
So they basically had to offer him double what the Knicks could to steal him
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Year 1: $30M
Year 2: $28.5M
Year 3: $28.5M (
So they basically had to offer him double what the Knicks could to steal him
Seeing the structure of the deal, I don’t see it as a slam dunk for Hartenstein. There is a bit of him betting on himself here as he turned down a guaranteed $72 mil from the Knicks for only 58.5 guaranteed in OKC. With extensions on the horizon for a lot of their young guys I have a hard time seeing them pick up that year 3 option for Hartenstein.
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Year 1: $30M
Year 2: $28.5M
Year 3: $28.5M (
So they basically had to offer him double what the Knicks could to steal him
Seeing the structure of the deal, I don’t see it as a slam dunk for Hartenstein. There is a bit of him betting on himself here as he turned down a guaranteed $72 mil from the Knicks for only 58.5 guaranteed in OKC. With extensions on the horizon for a lot of their young guys I have a hard time seeing them pick up that year 3 option for Hartenstein.
Even if so he'd need to average 7 mil per year to equal the Knicks' offer. Plus the income tax difference
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So they basically had to offer him double what the Knicks could to steal him
Just about. I wouldn't be surprised to see iHart a Knick again in two years when Mitch's contract runs out and when the Thunder can decline their team option on iHart.
Lateral move? Isn't that his title now?
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Still probably wouldn't break into our rotation but he's playable.
And they cut Paul Reed. Could be someone of interest...
Reed would be a great fit. He's more of a center than Precious, who I keep reading could be our backup C. And although I hope they do resign him, he's more of a PF than C,but would fit nicely on the bench. Bringing in both Reed & Precious would give them more size, which they need!
My main issue with Paul Reed is that we basically rendered unplayable in the playoffs but their bench was so bad I’m not sure how much blame should fall on him
My main issue with Paul Reed is that we basically rendered unplayable in the playoffs but their bench was so bad I’m not sure how much blame should fall on him
Reed is interesting in that he looked really bad in the Knicks series, but like you said, there were circumstances that likely contributed. His regular season numbers were actually pretty good last season. Heck, he even hit some threes. In the playoffs, because the Sixers were so heavily dependent on Embiid and Maxey to score points, any minutes Reed played were significantly stacked in the Knicks favor. Plus, Reed’s playoff numbers the previous two seasons were much better in larger sample sizes. On the Knicks as presently constructed, scoring would be the least of Reed’s concerns. Defense and rebounding would be his main focus.
For a small deal, he looks good to me.
I'd probably take Reed for a year at the mid-level exception ($5.2 M), but still try and get a guy like Nick Richards from Charlotte to start the season. The only reason I'm not mentioning Walker Kessler now is because it's very likely that Ainge will see the Knicks' desperation to acquire a big man and hold their feet to the coals as a result. Richards is a guy who would be easier to acquire I believe at this point.
Having said all that I would be content to start the season with Mitch, Richards, and Reed--in that order of depth--as the Knicks' Centers to start the season (I know Reed isn't really a Center, but I'm listing him as one nonetheless). If they only got Richards and kept Sims as the 3rd Center I'd be ok with that too since I only view Reed as a slight upgrade over Sims. The long-term goal of acquiring Walker Kessler would still be something I think they'd clearly look at as the season goes along. In a perfect world, I'd like the Knicks to sign Walker Kessler to be their starting Center in two years when he's a RFA & Mitch's an UFA----fat chance it's happening though. Realistically, if you want him, you're gonna have to trade for him.
I saw some of their comments on reddit or something. They don't seem to be crazy about him. He'd be ok as depth at the 5 spot, but just barely. He doesn't move the needle that much, if it all.
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Rokas Jokubaitis is now more likely to join the Knicks for NBA Summer League in Las Vegas, as Lithuania's loss today eliminated them from Olympic contention
In June, Jokubaitis' agent told
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Rokas Jokubaitis is now more likely to join the Knicks for NBA Summer League in Las Vegas, as Lithuania's loss today eliminated them from Olympic contention
In June, Jokubaitis' agent told
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that his client would "strongly consider" joining the Knicks should Lithuania fail to qualify for Olympic play.
That would be good. We have the rookie but having Rokas too would be nice. Still not sold on Deuce as a PG, although he's shown he has value as a smallish 3 and D guard. Need a solid backup for Brunson.
Also its 3 or 4 weeks before we can put Dadier in a trade if we want to so that could push things back.
It would be great if Rokas plays really well in the Summer League, which makes him a valuable asset in a trade for a center. Not much need for him on the roster with Deuce and Kolek both under contract for at least three years.
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Unlikely the Knicks would bring over Rokas with Brunson, Kolek (received 3 guaranteed seasons despite being a second round pick) with an NBA ready skillset + Deuce. Doesn’t make a ton of sense for Rokas either.
It would be great if Rokas plays really well in the Summer League, which makes him a valuable asset in a trade for a center. Not much need for him on the roster with Deuce and Kolek both under contract for at least three years.
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Yeah I agree with this. Once Lauri goes I could see Kessler, Clarkson, Sexton, John Collins, basically every vet they have go pretty soon after.
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Take a look at the moves they made and the move they DIDN'T make this offseason. They're not done. There's still a big target on their radar. I'll have more on that this week.
He answers about Kessler separately so I don't think that's it. Sounds like a bigger fish to me (AD?)
Does he actually have sources? I don’t remember any rumors or anything that came to fruition that he was the first guy to break or report on.
I think he has sources, but it's probably from talking to other media members. He had the IHart signing early on, but said "Someone to watch out for". So he didn't report it, but he knew. I don't think he pulled that name out of a hat or anything.
Feels like a big loss.
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An article for Spain's Diario SPORT claims Rokas Jokubaitis is confirmed to join the Knicks for NBA Summer League in Las Vegas
The article states Jokubaitis was given the green light from his pro club Barça
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Good news, they're even more desperate for a center than we are
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“Moved v quickly…could tell how interested they were…Mikal didn’t know til I called…That Mikal wanted to leave or requested trade couldn’t be further from truth…Not in Mikal’s character, not who he is”
— Nets Sean Marks on Knicks Mikal Bridges trade
• LA’s first offer was 2 year / $60M
• He asked for the same contract as Kawhi during the season
• Asked for 3 year / $150M with a NTC after the season
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Mikal Bridges is speaking to the media tomorrow. First presser introduction of a new Knicks player since Kemba/Fournier.
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Is that the first day they can?
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Excited to see him get back to that form
If he did a 3 year deal with an opt out i could see that more, if he does 4 years build him a statue now
In this episode, Jon & Jeremy are back to discuss the latest week of Knicks news before one final (?) Cap Or No Cap covering all the options that remain for the backup center position.
TIMESTAMPS:
04:48 - Johnny Bryant Leaves For Cleveland
08:48 - Knicks Sign Dadiet, Kolek To Contracts
11:27 - The Mikal Bridges Trade Is Finalized
15:34 - CAP OR NO CAP? (4.0) - Backup Center Of Attention
49:04 - LOOK AHEAD: Will Julius Randle Be Extended This Summer?
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I certainly don't disagree with anything you said, but I think there's good reason to believe Bridges right now is a better scorer than OG will ever be.
I am actually pretty disappointed with just how bad OG's ball handling is. If he even had a mediocre handle, he basically has the body type and shooting ability to be a mini Kawhi on offense. But instead he takes three dribbles and the ball is going off his foot.
Bridges can score at all 3 levels when given the oppurtunity, i think you will see a lot of bench lineups being Divo, Hart, Bridges, OG and backup center
What did he say?
Is tomorrow’s presser just for Bridges or for OG too?
I do think a Lauri deal is holding up a Kessler trade, but that is still my bet as to what happens.
I do think a Lauri deal is holding up a Kessler trade, but that is still my bet as to what happens.
But with the current roster construction, where are those Precious minutes at the 4 coming from? With Hart, DDV, and Deuce on the bench, OG is definitely gonna get backup 4 playing time. Precious handled himself well at the 5 last season. I understand wanting more size at the position, but Precious as a 4? Don’t get that.
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story but he claims the Knicks prefer Precious at PF to C. I'm not surprised by this. Thibs really likes legit 7 footers who can dominate the paint. Precious isn't that.
I do think a Lauri deal is holding up a Kessler trade, but that is still my bet as to what happens.
But with the current roster construction, where are those Precious minutes at the 4 coming from? With Hart, DDV, and Deuce on the bench, OG is definitely gonna get backup 4 playing time. Precious handled himself well at the 5 last season. I understand wanting more size at the position, but Precious as a 4? Don’t get that.
I'm...not worried about Precious leaving personally. Like he's fine, but he is a classic tweener. Can't shoot enough to play the 4 but is too small to play the 5. I won't be sad if he moves on. If he's back, he's fine as a third string PF/C swing but that's about it imo.
They can trade him in 30 days, but it's unlikely at this point. I think McCullar Jr. is the one to keep an eye on in a trade now for a backup Center along with a S&T w/Precious.
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In this episode, Jon & Jeremy are back to discuss the latest week of Knicks news before one final (?) Cap Or No Cap covering all the options that remain for the backup center position.
TIMESTAMPS:
04:48 - Johnny Bryant Leaves For Cleveland
08:48 - Knicks Sign Dadiet, Kolek To Contracts
11:27 - The Mikal Bridges Trade Is Finalized
15:34 - CAP OR NO CAP? (4.0) - Backup Center Of Attention
49:04 - LOOK AHEAD: Will Julius Randle Be Extended This Summer?
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That was interesting, thanks for linking it.
Dadiet, Sims and the Detroit first. Get it done Leon
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and seemed skeptical the Knicks would meet the price.
Dadiet, Sims and the Detroit first. Get it done Leon
Knowing Ainge he'll want an unprotected first plus DEUCE
Walker with a quiet 5 blocks 2 steals in 33 minutes.
This is HUGE 🏀🔥🔥🔥🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦“
Walker with a quiet 5 blocks 2 steals in 33 minutes.
I don't know why people don't think Edey won't be successful top tier Center in the NBA. I know what the knocks on him are, but in a decent system, he'll be superb. Imagine him with Thibs? "Wow!", would be all I have to say if that had happened.
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last night against Kessler. Something like 14/15/4 blocks including a tip in to tie the game with seconds left. He very well may be an impact player in the NBA.
Walker with a quiet 5 blocks 2 steals in 33 minutes.
I don't know why people don't think Edey won't be successful top tier Center in the NBA. I know what the knocks on him are, but in a decent system, he'll be superb. Imagine him with Thibs? "Wow!", would be all I have to say if that had happened.
I think people think Edey wont be able to keep up with faster players and a faster pace he may struggle defensively in the playoffs if they go against a team with a stretch 5..
Walker with a quiet 5 blocks 2 steals in 33 minutes.
Watched much of the game. Nice 5 blocks but other than that, didn't see Kessler as a player you'd trade the farm for. Of course, on the Knicks maybe good D would be sufficient.
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last night against Kessler. Something like 14/15/4 blocks including a tip in to tie the game with seconds left. He very well may be an impact player in the NBA.
Walker with a quiet 5 blocks 2 steals in 33 minutes.
I don't know why people don't think Edey won't be successful top tier Center in the NBA. I know what the knocks on him are, but in a decent system, he'll be superb. Imagine him with Thibs? "Wow!", would be all I have to say if that had happened.
I think people think Edey wont be able to keep up with faster players and a faster pace he may struggle defensively in the playoffs if they go against a team with a stretch 5..
I know that, but then a team like the Knicks would know how accentuate his positives and his his weaknesses since he'd be expected to rebound, protect the rim, and play interior D. Getting him out to the perimeter against big men who can move and being forced to use his feet on the perimeter are No-Nos of course.
P.S. There was no way in Hell I ever would have expected Edey to fall to the Knicks in the mid-20s, nor did the Knicks have enough ammo to go up and get him. He was a sure fire lottery pick. I was surprised he went at 9, as were many others. I thought he'd get picked in the early teens.
It will be interesting to see how his game develops, can he develop kind of like Brook Lopez did
It will be interesting to see how his game develops, can he develop kind of like Brook Lopez did
I can't remember. Did Brook have a perimeter game coming out of Stanford? I know Robin didn't. Did Brook develop his 3 ball and perimeter shooting in the pros or did he have them at Stanford?
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to pass on, he has the ability to be an impossible player to guard at times..
It will be interesting to see how his game develops, can he develop kind of like Brook Lopez did
I can't remember. Did Brook have a perimeter game coming out of Stanford? I know Robin didn't. Did Brook develop his 3 ball and perimeter shooting in the pros or did he have them at Stanford?
He developed the 3 point shot in the pros, he didnt shoot many if any with the Nets
Kessler needs to toss a towel in Ainge's face...
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Yeah...probably our two protected firsts lol
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Dmytro Skapintsev has joined the summer Knicks, according his IG & his agent's
7'1" Skapintsev played for the summer, Westchester & New York Knicks last year
The Kevin Knox or the Michael Sweetney/Maciej Lampe years were clearly more bitable.
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but this year's should be the most fun one to watch in awhile. Dadier, Kolek, Hukporti, McCullar jr along with Rokas will definitely be something to sink our teeth into. Especially after last year's snooze fest of a team.
The Kevin Knox or the Michael Sweetney/Maciej Lampe years were clearly more bitable.
The best ever was Porzingis. He was like the summer league hall of fame Knick. In 2 weeks we went from like who is this idiot Jackson drafted??? to holy shit he's a future HOF'er!!
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but this year's should be the most fun one to watch in awhile. Dadier, Kolek, Hukporti, McCullar jr along with Rokas will definitely be something to sink our teeth into. Especially after last year's snooze fest of a team.
The Kevin Knox or the Michael Sweetney/Maciej Lampe years were clearly more bitable.
I went to the Summer League Knox's rookie year. Left there thinking we had the next Jayson Tatum. Bought the jersey and everything. Oops
Last season was the first in recent memory where I didn't watch a single minute.
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but this year's should be the most fun one to watch in awhile. Dadier, Kolek, Hukporti, McCullar jr along with Rokas will definitely be something to sink our teeth into. Especially after last year's snooze fest of a team.
Last season was the first in recent memory where I didn't watch a single minute.
I watched a little bit as I was hoping that a sleeper would emerged. However, it was a collection of inconsistent shooters and limited playmakers who busted their butts on defense.
Ainge will ask for a first and some team will give it and then he'll ask for a top 50 player and some team will give it and he'll ask for your first born. I'd like every team to take him to the edge and tell him to pound sand leaving him with nothing
If ever a trade should have been vetoed by the commissioner, it was that one and not the Chris Paul trade.
If Brunson and or Julia extends at a lower number then Leon, Wes & Aller should be canonized
Didn't want him...IMHO the Knicks are trading for Richards. Ainge and his desire to dominate every trade isn't worth it.
Now CP the Franchise is saying they're interested in KAT but we have no moveable firsts plus Julius, Mitch & Deuce don't equal his salary. Have to send out more than we take back or be hard capped at the first apron.
Wow that feels like ancient history now.
What does that even look like at this point? Randle + Mitch to a third team for assets that go to Minnesota?
Randle, Ivey to Wolves
Mitch to Pistons
Works under the cap, not sure if KAT is worth Randle and Mitch, but you can go 5 out with Brunson-DVO-Bridges-OG-KAT and holy shit what an offensive juggernaut with the two best wing defenders in the league?
Just have to hope KAT stays healthy and holds up defensively. Need a backup 5 even more now too.
I just don't see any other combination of players to trade besides Mitch and Julius
Randle, Ivey to Wolves
Mitch to Pistons
Works under the cap, not sure if KAT is worth Randle and Mitch, but you can go 5 out with Brunson-DVO-Bridges-OG-KAT and holy shit what an offensive juggernaut with the two best wing defenders in the league?
Just have to hope KAT stays healthy and holds up defensively. Need a backup 5 even more now too.
I just don't see any other combination of players to trade besides Mitch and Julius
Knicks need to send out more. KAT is 49 while Julius and Mitch are 43/44. Still would need a back up 5
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KAT to Knicks
Randle, Ivey to Wolves
Mitch to Pistons
Works under the cap, not sure if KAT is worth Randle and Mitch, but you can go 5 out with Brunson-DVO-Bridges-OG-KAT and holy shit what an offensive juggernaut with the two best wing defenders in the league?
Just have to hope KAT stays healthy and holds up defensively. Need a backup 5 even more now too.
I just don't see any other combination of players to trade besides Mitch and Julius
Knicks need to send out more. KAT is 49 while Julius and Mitch are 43/44. Still would need a back up 5
I believe that trade would send them past the first apron into the second apron and hardcap them there, which I think is okay.
But yeah backup 5 is a big issue. They might be able to use a trade player exception and a pick for Richards?
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KAT to Knicks
Randle, Ivey to Wolves
Mitch to Pistons
Works under the cap, not sure if KAT is worth Randle and Mitch, but you can go 5 out with Brunson-DVO-Bridges-OG-KAT and holy shit what an offensive juggernaut with the two best wing defenders in the league?
Just have to hope KAT stays healthy and holds up defensively. Need a backup 5 even more now too.
I just don't see any other combination of players to trade besides Mitch and Julius
Knicks need to send out more. KAT is 49 while Julius and Mitch are 43/44. Still would need a back up 5
I believe that trade would send them past the first apron into the second apron and hardcap them there, which I think is okay.
But yeah backup 5 is a big issue. They might be able to use a trade player exception and a pick for Richards?
They're way past the second apron but not hard capped. They can't get hard capped as their books are a mess. If this is real a third team has to get involved
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KAT to Knicks
Randle, Ivey to Wolves
Mitch to Pistons
Works under the cap, not sure if KAT is worth Randle and Mitch, but you can go 5 out with Brunson-DVO-Bridges-OG-KAT and holy shit what an offensive juggernaut with the two best wing defenders in the league?
Just have to hope KAT stays healthy and holds up defensively. Need a backup 5 even more now too.
I just don't see any other combination of players to trade besides Mitch and Julius
Knicks need to send out more. KAT is 49 while Julius and Mitch are 43/44. Still would need a back up 5
I believe that trade would send them past the first apron into the second apron and hardcap them there, which I think is okay.
But yeah backup 5 is a big issue. They might be able to use a trade player exception and a pick for Richards?
They're way past the second apron but not hard capped. They can't get hard capped as their books are a mess. If this is real a third team has to get involved
Not the Wolves, the Knicks would go into the first apron with this trade and be capped at the second.
If the Knicks acquired KAT + Richards and traded out Randle + Mitch + Achiuwa (S&T at $6.5M) then they'd take in $4.4M. That can't happen.
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Two solutions:
1. Add Deuce, OR
2. Overpay Precious ($11M in Y1)
I don't think a double S&T w/Precious + Jeffries is possible lol
Sending Deuce to Minnesota in the previously described deal would save the Knicks ($262K) and the Wolves ($15.5M). So it'd work.
Not advocating, just reporting the math!
He does a real good job dumbing it down. I appreciate it but I agree it can be boring. It seems deals you could do last year can't be done this year.
Thank God the Knicks front office get it
Says Knicks are comfortable running Tyler Kolek for 10-12 minutes a night at back-up PG.
Also reports Knicks have multiple irons in the fire.”
Says Knicks are comfortable running Tyler Kolek for 10-12 minutes a night at back-up PG.
Also reports Knicks have multiple irons in the fire.”
Deuce is a better player than Nick Richards. I’d hate to lose Deuce, but I’d want draft capital coming back to the Knicks if I gave up Deuce for Richards.
If the Knicks acquired KAT + Richards and traded out Randle + Mitch + Achiuwa (S&T at $6.5M) then they'd take in $4.4M. That can't happen.
@thecohencidence
Two solutions:
1. Add Deuce, OR
2. Overpay Precious ($11M in Y1)
I don't think a double S&T w/Precious + Jeffries is possible lol
I attached the link below where you can see that once they fill in Kolek and Hakpuri, a trade bringing back 4.4M would take them past the first apron and hard cap them at the second, which is what I've been explaining all along lol. That would not only be totally fine, but also still leave them some wiggle room to fill out the roster with the space before they hit the second apron.
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I actually think at this point they wouldn't even trade him for Kessler.
I actually think at this point they wouldn't even trade him for Kessler.
Very hard pass Deuce for Richards for me
Divo and Hart are going to be your main guards off the bench, Mikal is going to play the 2/3, OG is going to play the 3 and 4, Randle the 4 and maybe some 5..
Deuce is going to get 10 maybe 15 minutes a night? Now do i want to trade him for Nick Richards? no but at the same time if a center comes available and they want deuce i probably wouldnt hesitate
KAT at the 5 matches Boston perfectly, as presently constituted to me to beat Boston Randle will have to play the 5
KAT at the 5 matches Boston perfectly, as presently constituted to me to beat Boston Randle will have to play the 5
I would think it would be the opposite because having a defensive C like Gobert masks a lot of KAT's defensive deficiencies. Having KAT play next to Robinson would be similar.
Leon Rose was in 1st row of presser yesterday with Mikal's mother. Didn't talk, but he's still cooking, wants to make big center move after Philly's 2 additions. Heard Houston's Sengun has been on radar, even Detroit's Jalen Duren. And that was before Pistons signed Paul Reed.
Leon Rose was in 1st row of presser yesterday with Mikal's mother. Didn't talk, but he's still cooking, wants to make big center move after Philly's 2 additions. Heard Houston's Sengun has been on radar, even Detroit's Jalen Duren. And that was before Pistons signed Paul Reed.
0% chance the Rockets trade Sengun for anything the Knicks can realistically offer. He's a core piece for them and a budding star
Berman is snarky when it comes to the Knicks even in success, he is bitter and Bondy has carried it on.
Leon Rose was in 1st row of presser yesterday with Mikal's mother. Didn't talk, but he's still cooking, wants to make big center move after Philly's 2 additions. Heard Houston's Sengun has been on radar, even Detroit's Jalen Duren. And that was before Pistons signed Paul Reed.
Berman just loves to create chaos. Am I really supposed to believe he's working sources as a part-time writer for the Palm Beach Post?
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if they are going to get him and play him at the 5, i am in, i dont want him at the 4..
KAT at the 5 matches Boston perfectly, as presently constituted to me to beat Boston Randle will have to play the 5
I would think it would be the opposite because having a defensive C like Gobert masks a lot of KAT's defensive deficiencies. Having KAT play next to Robinson would be similar.
Id rsther him at the 5 because of the perkmiter defense the Knicks are going to have
They seem pretty committed to trying to win now.
They seem pretty committed to trying to win now.
Yes. 100 sure. C'mon. He's 21 years old and just put up 21.0 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists on 54% shooting with a 22.0 PER, .163 WS/48 in his age 21 season. He's a "win now" player, not some project.
Randle put up 24, 9 and 5 on 47% from the field, 18.9 PER, .113 WS/48 and is 8 years older. The Rockets would hang up the phone.
Randle, Robinson and Deuce does not even get it done, unless Houston has a bad contract to send back that I can't think of.
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Randle, Robinson and Deuce does not even get it done, unless Houston has a bad contract to send back that I can't think of.
Pistons get an upgrade at center and their pick back
Wolves save 18 mil off the cap and get a pick in exchange for a downgrade at PF
Knicks fill the center hole and backup center hole in one swoop.
Pistons get an upgrade at center and their pick back
Wolves save 18 mil off the cap and get a pick in exchange for a downgrade at PF
Knicks fill the center hole and backup center hole in one swoop.
Those two first round picks have very little value because they more than likely won't convey. The Pistons also aren't paying Precious Achiuwa 9 million dollars a year.
Pistons get an upgrade at center and their pick back
Wolves save 18 mil off the cap and get a pick in exchange for a downgrade at PF
Knicks fill the center hole and backup center hole in one swoop.
Can't trade both 1st Round picks next year. Only one can go because of the Stepien Rule.
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Duran is more realistic. Weren't the Knicks linked to him when he was drafted before they traded the pick to clear space for Brunson?
I think you mean Mcbride not Bridges...lol
No I meant the package to get him would be larger than it cost to get Bridges.
They also went on a 10 game win streak without him to end the year.
I don't think it's the absolute most batshit insane thing ever to suggest that a package of Randle and Mitch for Sengun and fillers would be interesting to them, especially because we know the directive has been to win now.
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Everything on that link seems like speculation (pretty much like BBI :-) ). Most of the fans seem to think they'd be crazy to trade Sengun. I also wonder about this win-now thing with Houston - they were a .500 team last year.
Anyway - I don't think we're trading Randle and Mitch. I think there will be a much smaller move to acquire a backup C.
They also went on a 10 game win streak without him to end the year.
I don't think it's the absolute most batshit insane thing ever to suggest that a package of Randle and Mitch for Sengun and fillers would be interesting to them, especially because we know the directive has been to win now. Link - ( New Window )
The linked video suggests they may have to include him for a "superstar", not looking for a Randle debate but that's clearly not the kind of player people are suggesting when they say the Rockets are looking to "swing big". They are talking about players like Giannis
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Duran is more realistic. Weren't the Knicks linked to him when he was drafted before they traded the pick to clear space for Brunson?
I think you mean Mcbride not Bridges...lol
No I meant the package to get him would be larger than it cost to get Bridges.
Wojnarowski then mentioned a different trade scenario involving the Suns and Rockets.
"Rockets possess a pick swap with Suns in 2025, Suns' pick in 2027 and could end up with the Suns' pick in 2029 based on contingencies," Wojnarowski wrote. "If the Suns are ever faced with breaking up team, Houston's also in prime position to pursue a younger Devin Booker. For now, Phoenix is trying to win."
With the Suns trying to win, though, Houston may not wait around. Either way, Wojnarowski says they'll be ultra-aggressive in adding a superstar this offseason.
"As intrigued as the Rockets have been about Durant, they're determined to use the Suns picks to be aggressive on deals elsewhere now, sources tell ESPN," Wojnarowski wrote. "Phoenix has made it clear that they want to run it back with this group, and Houston is seeking a major upgrade now."
Sengun for Randle/Mitch just doesn't make much sense other than Berman speaking out of his ass. The Rockets were reportedly in talks for Bridges (pick heavy package). The Ringer just 2 weeks ago ranked Sengun the #44 player in the NBA, Randle #45. One is nearly a decade younger. Like I said, Sengun goes 1-1 if he was in this years draft.
"Offensive wunderkind with creative flair and defensive shortcomings.
Feel for the Game
Ridiculous Upside
Passing Virtuoso
Analysis
In a league where size, power, creativity, and craft are hard to find in any one player, Sengun checks every box. Defensive warts notwithstanding, here stands a near-7-foot tall magician whose aesthetic can only be compared to a certain Serbian big man who doubles as the best player alive. This doesn’t mean Sengun will ever earn the same hardware Nikola Jokic has, but he can pass like a point guard, bludgeon opponents in the post, and provide insatiable effort on the glass.
Now on a team that actually has veteran leadership, lofty goals, and a reliable offensive strategy, Sengun has optimized his unusual gifts. Like Jokic, his vision inverts the court while stimulating plenty of movement to keep opponents on their heels. Also like Jokic, Sengun’s defense can be exploited when he’s not surrounded by pieces who execute an appropriate scheme. The good news for Houston is that Sengun bought in on that end, with better effort and awareness that helped him become a finalist for Most Improved Player. An ankle injury ultimately ended his season a month early, and Jalen Green made his own strides on both sides of the ball. But whatever Houston’s next phase may be, Sengun proved he can be the focal point of a team."
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there are a BIT of Sengun trade rumors out there that I linked below.
They also went on a 10 game win streak without him to end the year.
I don't think it's the absolute most batshit insane thing ever to suggest that a package of Randle and Mitch for Sengun and fillers would be interesting to them, especially because we know the directive has been to win now. Link - ( New Window )
The linked video suggests they may have to include him for a "superstar", not looking for a Randle debate but that's clearly not the kind of player people are suggesting when they say the Rockets are looking to "swing big". They are talking about players like Giannis
Maybe it is wishful thinking but it definitely would be a little nutty for Marc Berman, who has covered the team for 30 years? to just throw out random ass names. I know he's a shit stirrer but he didn't used to just fabricate things like Robert Randolph.
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Otherwise, he was adamant that the Knicks like Randle, but they like Towns better. He added they want to spread the court more for Brunson and match up better with Boston’s five-out approach.
Pulling off huge trades for OG, Bridges and Towns within a few months seems unfathomable, but these are the guys we knew they’d be after from the start. Brunson as well. They made a huge run at Donovan Mitchell, too. Booker’s the only one who’s been completely unattainable to this point.
Otherwise, he was adamant that the Knicks like Randle, but they like Towns better. He added they want to spread the court more for Brunson and match up better with Boston’s five-out approach.
Pulling off huge trades for OG, Bridges and Towns within a few months seems unfathomable, but these are the guys we knew they’d be after from the start. Brunson as well. They made a huge run at Donovan Mitchell, too. Booker’s the only one who’s been completely unattainable to this point.
I love CP and KFTV, but the smarter podcast---albeit dryer---is Knicks Film School, especially when Macri and Cohen talk shop and the business of the league.
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17/14.4(!)/3 assists, .7 steals, 1 block
You hope the defense can improve but the athleticism and offensive upside is definitely there.
80% FT shooter too.
Deuce and the Pistons pick for Duren? Deuce is honestly probably as strong a fit next to cade as it gets as a 3&D player with point guard size.
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Didn’t seem like he knew the Knicks can’t offer Randle an extension til August, so his “why haven’t the Knicks extended Randle yet?” argument fell flat.
Otherwise, he was adamant that the Knicks like Randle, but they like Towns better. He added they want to spread the court more for Brunson and match up better with Boston’s five-out approach.
Pulling off huge trades for OG, Bridges and Towns within a few months seems unfathomable, but these are the guys we knew they’d be after from the start. Brunson as well. They made a huge run at Donovan Mitchell, too. Booker’s the only one who’s been completely unattainable to this point.
I love CP and KFTV, but the smarter podcast---albeit dryer---is Knicks Film School, especially when Macri and Cohen talk shop and the business of the league.
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Didn’t seem like he knew the Knicks can’t offer Randle an extension til August, so his “why haven’t the Knicks extended Randle yet?” argument fell flat.
Otherwise, he was adamant that the Knicks like Randle, but they like Towns better. He added they want to spread the court more for Brunson and match up better with Boston’s five-out approach.
Pulling off huge trades for OG, Bridges and Towns within a few months seems unfathomable, but these are the guys we knew they’d be after from the start. Brunson as well. They made a huge run at Donovan Mitchell, too. Booker’s the only one who’s been completely unattainable to this point.
I love CP and KFTV, but the smarter podcast---albeit dryer---is Knicks Film School, especially when Macri and Cohen talk shop and the business of the league.
Why trade for a fourth Villanova player to split up trading Randle, DDV and/or Hart for Towns who isn't a center or a PF...he is a SF in 7 footers body..this is not what this team needs did anyone watch that jan run last year...more offense is not whats needed...We don't need more 3 point shooting in starting lineup...
Under the old regime I would have thought it was because they're inept. Now I think they're up to something.
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Under the old regime I would have thought it was because they're inept. Now I think they're up to something.
Kevin Maccular still not signed either
One thing about this front office is everything is done with a purpose. You can draw lives from a player signing that makes no sense but was made with a future deal in mind. The three things mentioned Precious, Kevin McCullar Jr. and roster mission all have to get you thinking.
Also Knicks related is Kessler playing in summer league like he's being showcased
I've never had a guy play for the US in any sport that I couldn't root for. He's the first.
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What's the deal with Jimmy Butler? Is he just going to stay on the Heat? Felt like he was out the door.
What's the deal with Jimmy Butler? Is he just going to stay on the Heat? Felt like he was out the door.
Shams reported he doesn't want to be traded and that Riley is focused on trying to win this upcoming season.
Not that it matters much, but any guess at the starting 5 out of that group? The four drafted rookies plus Rokas?
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Not that it matters much, but any guess at the starting 5 out of that group? The four drafted rookies plus Rokas?
Idk.. its a role of Dice
I couldn't resist
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Not that it matters much, but any guess at the starting 5 out of that group? The four drafted rookies plus Rokas?
Idk.. its a role of Dice
lol nice one
How are Hukporti and McCullar on the SL roster if they're not signed yet? I know KFS mentioned it this week but I'm not sure they actually knew the answer (or if they did, I missed it).
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How are Hukporti and McCullar on the SL roster if they're not signed yet? I know KFS mentioned it this week but I'm not sure they actually knew the answer (or if they did, I missed it).
Hokporti signed a 2 way deal
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How are Hukporti and McCullar on the SL roster if they're not signed yet? I know KFS mentioned it this week but I'm not sure they actually knew the answer (or if they did, I missed it).
They get invited to play and they choose to play. Even without a contract, it's a showcase for skills.
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How are Hukporti and McCullar on the SL roster if they're not signed yet? I know KFS mentioned it this week but I'm not sure they actually knew the answer (or if they did, I missed it).
They get invited to play and they choose to play. Even without a contract, it's a showcase for skills.
I assume the players without a contract get some type of short-term insurance as to injuries they may incur in SL.
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How are Hukporti and McCullar on the SL roster if they're not signed yet? I know KFS mentioned it this week but I'm not sure they actually knew the answer (or if they did, I missed it).
They get invited to play and they choose to play. Even without a contract, it's a showcase for skills.
I assume the players without a contract get some type of short-term insurance as to injuries they may incur in SL.
Thanks, that's what I was curious about.
He probably has top 15 player in the league upside if he develops even a bit of a three point shot.
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He probably has top 15 player in the league upside if he develops even a bit of a three point shot. Link - ( New Window )
He is fun to watch. I can't see any way they trade him anytime soon.
Build the statue.
The people that think that simply aren’t paying attention. The “Big 3” with trash around them doesn’t work anymore. Especially two of those 3 are insanely injury prone. I’m actually surprised by how some respected basketball fans on this site have reacted to Moreys latest star chasing endeavor. Daryl Morey has zero clue on how to build a championship team.He runs his teams like he’s playing fantasy basketball
They're running out the all 30+ yo team.
George
Embiid
Lowery
Drummond
All over thirty. Luckily the Knicks are still under thirty
Its obviius when analysts say oh the Sixers would beat the Knicks they are only looking at one side of the court..
Defensively for the Knicks Maxxey has to score on Bridges and his long arms all game long and George will have OG locking him down and when those two get tired, Mcbride, Divo and Hart will come into the game..
and Is Paul George guarding Brunson? Oubre guarding Randle?
Its obviius when analysts say oh the Sixers would beat the Knicks they are only looking at one side of the court..
Defensively for the Knicks Maxxey has to score on Bridges and his long arms all game long and George will have OG locking him down and when those two get tired, Mcbride, Divo and Hart will come into the game..
and Is Paul George guarding Brunson? Oubre guarding Randle?
I agree... Plus the Knicks are 7-8 deep? While the Sixers are top heavy. The Sixers have 96% of their cap in 3 players. The Knicks have approx 96% of their cap in 8 players.
Leon, Wes and Aller have done an awesome job on the books
There definitely are some trade rumors floating around. Despite being a physical freak and hugely productive offensively, his defense appears to be that bad to make him available.
If there is one coach to get the most out of a centers defense though it’s definitely Thibs.
Deuce and their first back seems reasonable enough. Upside is massive and he can come off the bench and learn before probably taking over at latest in two years but possibly earlier.
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Its obviius when analysts say oh the Sixers would beat the Knicks they are only looking at one side of the court..
Defensively for the Knicks Maxxey has to score on Bridges and his long arms all game long and George will have OG locking him down and when those two get tired, Mcbride, Divo and Hart will come into the game..
and Is Paul George guarding Brunson? Oubre guarding Randle?
Lowry was unplayable last year and seeming will only be worse this season.
There definitely are some trade rumors floating around. Despite being a physical freak and hugely productive offensively, his defense appears to be that bad to make him available.
If there is one coach to get the most out of a centers defense though it’s definitely Thibs.
Deuce and their first back seems reasonable enough. Upside is massive and he can come off the bench and learn before probably taking over at latest in two years but possibly earlier. Link - ( New Window )
If we really liked Duren, we should’ve just kept him and not traded the pick :p
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said Duren may actually be available. And then Popper confirmed Knicks interest.
There definitely are some trade rumors floating around. Despite being a physical freak and hugely productive offensively, his defense appears to be that bad to make him available.
If there is one coach to get the most out of a centers defense though it’s definitely Thibs.
Deuce and their first back seems reasonable enough. Upside is massive and he can come off the bench and learn before probably taking over at latest in two years but possibly earlier. Link - ( New Window )
If we really liked Duren, we should’ve just kept him and not traded the pick :p
Lol well trading the pick allowed us to sign both Brunson and Hartenstein so it worked out fortunately.
I went to that draft too just to wait and see us trade out entirely.
The fact that the Knicks haven’t resigned Precious is fascinating. I think they have an agreement with him that he’s going to get paid a decent salary this year. They will just either use him in a sign and trade for a better center or resign him if their trade pursuits fail.
Rumor going around is that Brunson will sign his extension today
I don’t understand what any of this means…
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and they are waiting to see if Brunson takes this deal, not that it effects this years cap but the future cap mobility
The fact that the Knicks haven’t resigned Precious is fascinating. I think they have an agreement with him that he’s going to get paid a decent salary this year. They will just either use him in a sign and trade for a better center or resign him if their trade pursuits fail.
Yeah definitely more to do with this team, it could be as simple as bringing Precious back but you would think they are wprking on something that Precious is invokved in and thats why hr is willing to wait..
Also interedting Utah has 33 million in space and hasnt tou hed it and they need to spend
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I don’t understand what any of this means…
Some random guy was trashing Jericho Sims and he actually responded and said essentially that he looks like his wife's wife aka like a woman.
Cele - who played college basketball at Northeastern Oklahoma A&M, Southern College, Marist and the University of Science & Arts OK Drovers and was a third team NAIA All-American - brings to an end a lengthy period of frustration.
There were talks with teams abroad over the last two years, but nothing concrete until the Knicks called him up in late June.
Cele told ESPN of the moment he learned of the Knicks' interest: "I had just got back from a workout. I got the call saying that I had been invited to the Summer League by the Knicks. It was surreal.
"I couldn't believe it, even though it was something I had wanted and hoped for because opportunities have been spoken about since last year's BAL."
That's quite a mix of schools.
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Rokas Jokubaitis is close to returning to Zalgiris after three years in Barcelona, per sources.
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Rokas Jokubaitis is close to returning to Zalgiris after three years in Barcelona, per sources.
There's probably uncertainty as to whether or not the Knicks (or a team he's traded to) would want to sign him and bring him over this year. Royce O’Neale actually did exactly that, signed with Zalgiris and before playing a game for them played in SL then the Jazz signed him for that season. I assume there was some sort of clause in the contract that Rokas may have as well
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Rokas Jokubaitis is close to returning to Zalgiris after three years in Barcelona, per sources.
Most likely because there aren't any minutes here so he's going where there's a role. You aren't giving a 2nd round pick who's never played an NBA minute and who was barely seeing rotation minutes in Spain, 20 minutes a night with one of the best teams.
He has a better shot of playing in Europe. His shot here is in the G-League
This would be a really fun team
Start big with Duren and KAT and can finish games going 5 out with KAT as the center.
Wolves get the cap relief and a future Conley replacement.
Pistons get an upgrade at defense.