Realistically I am curious what the market is for Hartenstein
Mike in NJ : 9:27 am : link : reply
As has been mentioned, Orlando and OKC are the two teams that are most often referenced as possible destinations, but I just have a hard time believing that the Thunder look at their roster and feel that spending big money on a center is the answer. The big advantage of having a guy like Holmgren is to have one of the few 5s in the league that can truly stretch the floor while also being an elite rim protector. You are going to then relegate him to being a stretch 4 instead by having him play next to a center? That just feels like you are setting yourself up for the same issues they are having in Cleveland by pairing Evan Mobley with Jarrett Allen.
Orlando makes more sense, but I guess at this point it all hinges on Paul George. From the sound of it, his whole process has been about going to whichever team is going to give him the full max. The Clippers don't seem willing to do it, but Philly and Orlando probably will. In that case, what are the chances he decides that he has had enough of playing Robin to a constantly injured star and really maximizes his income with a no state tax Magic?
Last thing, is there a $100 million offer from either of these teams anyway? I think the prevailing thought all along was that Claxton was the guy that would get the biggest center contract this offseason. He got 100 to return to the Nets, do we look at that to mean Hartenstein should get a similar contract or is Claxton viewed as more valuable so Hartenstein likely gets below that? If that is the case, and the best offer is say 4/90 - is the Knicks best offer of 4/72 close enough for him to come back at a discount?
Next couple of days will be interesting for sure.
I don't see Rose doing what he did without IHart coming back.
Is this Bridges trade still on hold? Could we see something get done today?
I hope you’re right. I think we just need to decide whether to include money or McBride in the deal to complete the bridges trade in order for us to be under the second apron to sign IHart.
If anyone is offering Hartenstein 30 million more than the Knicks,
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Sorry, that should say to get over Bridges' salary
The Claxton-IHart comps are not spot on. They're different types of players. Claxton is a better rebounder/rim protector, IHart is a better passer, ball mover and has that 8-10 foot floater game. The Nets gave him that contract to keep him from hitting the open market. Claxton and Mitch are better comps.
I can't believe Rose would act the way he did at the draft avoiding a C like the plague without pretty good knowledge IHart would come back. I mean he had Adem Bona staring at him at 40 and traded out of the pick while getting little to nothing in return but cash.
RE: I don't see Rose doing what he did without IHart coming back.
Is this Bridges trade still on hold? Could we see something get done today?
I totally agree. There had to have been an agreement between iHart and the NYK. iHart might sign a short one or two year deal and then with his Bird Rights firmly in hand sign a max deal after that with the Knicks.
His wife's a model. iHart's options are NY, Orlando, or OKC. For a model, it's obvious where she'd want to be professionally. IHart's a big part of this team now and they're ascending. OKC is also a top team, better even, so he'd have that going for him. Orlando is just a middling team. iHart can't say the Knicks didn't try if he goes elsewhere.
RE: Sorry, that should say to get over Bridges' salary
Is there any concern that he hasn’t signed yet and is apparently hitting FA? Or could this just be something to do with this 1st and 2nd apron nonsense? He has to have an idea by now what other teams are willing to pay him so it’s a bit concerning that he’s still not signed unless it has to do with this ridiculously complicated CBA stuff
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
I read/heard somewhere that they can no longer do that with Precious. He was going to be a Restricted FA, but the Knicks didn't make him a qualifying offer, so now he's an Unrestricted FA. As a result they can't do a sign and trade with him anymore. I'm not totally sure about this, but that's what I recall reading/hearing elsewhere yesterday. Someone please update/correct me if I'm wrong. This whole thing is confusing AF, lol.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
I read/heard somewhere that they can no longer do that with Precious. He was going to be a Restricted FA, but the Knicks didn't make him a qualifying offer, so now he's an Unrestricted FA. As a result they can't do a sign and trade with him anymore. I'm not totally sure about this, but that's what I recall reading/hearing elsewhere yesterday. Someone please update/correct me if I'm wrong. This whole thing is confusing AF, lol.
I said it but i guess technically they didnt renounce his rights yet even though they didnt extend the qualifying offer....
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Using MLE hard caps at 1st apron
But after we make all these moves, it wouldn't matter if the MLE is the last move we make. So, do we have it or not under this situation?
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Using MLE hard caps at 1st apron
But after we make all these moves, it wouldn't matter if the MLE is the last move we make. So, do we have it or not under this situation?
Either we get iHart or we get a 5.9 level exception. But not both. Either one requires us not being hard capped at the first apron.
All the money they’ve pissed away on washed up players and they’re gonna pinch pennies on Paul George.
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Using MLE hard caps at 1st apron
But after we make all these moves, it wouldn't matter if the MLE is the last move we make. So, do we have it or not under this situation?
Either we get iHart or we get a 5.9 level exception. But not both. Either one requires us not being hard capped at the first apron.
All the money they’ve pissed away on washed up players and they’re gonna pinch pennies on Paul George.
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
I don't think he wants to leave LA but is going to milk the Clippers for everything he can you would hope this other teams realize he is not worth 50 a year but Philly is desperate.
All the money they’ve pissed away on washed up players and they’re gonna pinch pennies on Paul George.
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
I don't think he wants to leave LA but is going to milk the Clippers for everything he can you would hope this other teams realize he is not worth 50 a year but Philly is desperate.
I think there's a pretty decent chance that year 3 and 4 of that contract age like milk, but year 1 and 2 he's still good enough to cause other teams (The Knicks) serious problems. Probably a 20% chance Embiid and PG are both healthy at the same time in the playoffs but that's a tough out if they are, right when the Knicks look ready to be a serious contender.
All the money they’ve pissed away on washed up players and they’re gonna pinch pennies on Paul George.
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
I don't think he wants to leave LA but is going to milk the Clippers for everything he can you would hope this other teams realize he is not worth 50 a year but Philly is desperate.
I think there's a pretty decent chance that year 3 and 4 of that contract age like milk, but year 1 and 2 he's still good enough to cause other teams (The Knicks) serious problems. Probably a 20% chance Embiid and PG are both healthy at the same time in the playoffs but that's a tough out if they are, right when the Knicks look ready to be a serious contender.
Yeah if you are the sixers you need to do something... The Knicks are massively upgraded vs the team that beat sixers in playoffs (Randle and Bridges)... So Sixers are indeed desperate
but I think the Nova Knicks with Randle and OG is better..
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
I don’t know man. Two players making over $50M and Maxey getting ready to get paid as well, probably also a max deal, the rest of that roster will likely be trash. It’s very difficult to build a team around 3 max contracts with the new CBA. Does it ever work anymore?
RE: RE: Maxey, George, Embiid would be a tough matchup
but I think the Nova Knicks with Randle and OG is better..
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
I don’t know man. Two players making over $50M and Maxey getting ready to get paid as well, probably also a max deal, the rest of that roster will likely be trash. It’s very difficult to build a team around 3 max contracts with the new CBA. Does it ever work anymore?
No what i am saying is the Knicks are better and built better but they are going to have so much hype like the suns bjg 3 got hyped up, that they are goingnto want Sixers vs Knicks game 1
RE: RE: RE: Maxey, George, Embiid would be a tough matchup
but I think the Nova Knicks with Randle and OG is better..
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
I don’t know man. Two players making over $50M and Maxey getting ready to get paid as well, probably also a max deal, the rest of that roster will likely be trash. It’s very difficult to build a team around 3 max contracts with the new CBA. Does it ever work anymore?
No what i am saying is the Knicks are better and built better but they are going to have so much hype like the suns bjg 3 got hyped up, that they are goingnto want Sixers vs Knicks game 1
Yeah, I agree with you. My wording wasn’t the best but I was just commenting randomly on the idea of the Sixers trying to go the 3 stars/max contracts route. It’s a dying method in the NBA because it doesn’t work anymore. It has too much of an effect on the rest of the roster. But, we all know Daryl Morey is a star chaser to the highest degree. He loves him some name recognition
going to stick to the thought that there is one scenario with the Sixers that scares me, which is them signing PG outright to the max and then trading all of their assets for someone like Lauri, Jimmy, Ingram, etc.
That would be a concern.
Also unrelated but it really seems like Mitchell is going to sign a full max with Cleveland. I really did not see that coming. Figured he'd force his way to Miami or something like that to play with Bam.
Embiid is such a whiny bitch and Haliburton talks so much shit. When we lost to Atlanta a few years ago, I actually liked Trae Young. He embraced the Garden. He didn't bother me. Rivalies are great. But fuck Embiid and Haliburton. I have no respect for either. Even with Miami, I respect the hell out of Butler.
RE: Maxey, George, Embiid would be a tough matchup
going to stick to the thought that there is one scenario with the Sixers that scares me, which is them signing PG outright to the max and then trading all of their assets for someone like Lauri, Jimmy, Ingram, etc.
That would be a concern.
Also unrelated but it really seems like Mitchell is going to sign a full max with Cleveland. I really did not see that coming. Figured he'd force his way to Miami or something like that to play with Bam.
If they got Lauri it would be scary because of his ability to play off of Maxxey and Embiid..
Ingram ehhh, i dont think he fits with a Maxxey, OG, Embiid big 3..
I think with Mitchell he rrally wanted to be a Knick but knew once Brunson became what he is that it was never going to happen, no way he thinks Cleveland can compete
Signing a 34 yr old wing that has played over 56 games once in the past 5 years to a 4 yr 212 million max contract will cause a rebuild in no time. Embid has proven he can not stay healthy and it's become a matter of fact now.
You eat all your cap space to build around those 2 is ridiculous.
It would also probably save the Clippers from themselves.
our front office has done really well but they botched quite a bit when it came to Obi - pretty much from day one up until the trade. Not a good look that they just gave away a guy who clearly has some value.
our front office has done really well but they botched quite a bit when it came to Obi - pretty much from day one up until the trade. Not a good look that they just gave away a guy who clearly has some value.
They're quite good at recovering from their mistakes IE they basically swapped out Obi for Donte
our front office has done really well but they botched quite a bit when it came to Obi - pretty much from day one up until the trade. Not a good look that they just gave away a guy who clearly has some value.
They're quite good at recovering from their mistakes IE they basically swapped out Obi for Donte
it seems like the Magic not the Thunder are the big threat for iHart. Scotto thinks it’ll be 23 mil per. Not necessarily that he’ll take it.
Best case scenario is Orlando signs PG and OKC makes a big move for Markannen or sits out Hartenstein's FA. If it's all about the money for George then Orlando makes the most sense given the tax advantage
Sounds like Klay s&t to Dallas is likely to happen shortly
it seems like the Magic not the Thunder are the big threat for iHart. Scotto thinks it’ll be 23 mil per. Not necessarily that he’ll take it.
Best case scenario is Orlando signs PG and OKC makes a big move for Markannen or sits out Hartenstein's FA. If it's all about the money for George then Orlando makes the most sense given the tax advantage
PG not wanting to tie his future to a chronically injured Embiid with no depth wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world.
RE: Sounds like Klay s&t to Dallas is likely to happen shortly
it seems like the Magic not the Thunder are the big threat for iHart. Scotto thinks it’ll be 23 mil per. Not necessarily that he’ll take it.
Best case scenario is Orlando signs PG and OKC makes a big move for Markannen or sits out Hartenstein's FA. If it's all about the money for George then Orlando makes the most sense given the tax advantage
PG not wanting to tie his future to a chronically injured Embiid with no depth wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world.
Philly market will also eat him alive if plays and acts the way he did this past season in LA
Mike in NJ : 9:27 am : link : reply
As has been mentioned, Orlando and OKC are the two teams that are most often referenced as possible destinations, but I just have a hard time believing that the Thunder look at their roster and feel that spending big money on a center is the answer. The big advantage of having a guy like Holmgren is to have one of the few 5s in the league that can truly stretch the floor while also being an elite rim protector. You are going to then relegate him to being a stretch 4 instead by having him play next to a center? That just feels like you are setting yourself up for the same issues they are having in Cleveland by pairing Evan Mobley with Jarrett Allen.
Orlando makes more sense, but I guess at this point it all hinges on Paul George. From the sound of it, his whole process has been about going to whichever team is going to give him the full max. The Clippers don't seem willing to do it, but Philly and Orlando probably will. In that case, what are the chances he decides that he has had enough of playing Robin to a constantly injured star and really maximizes his income with a no state tax Magic?
Last thing, is there a $100 million offer from either of these teams anyway? I think the prevailing thought all along was that Claxton was the guy that would get the biggest center contract this offseason. He got 100 to return to the Nets, do we look at that to mean Hartenstein should get a similar contract or is Claxton viewed as more valuable so Hartenstein likely gets below that? If that is the case, and the best offer is say 4/90 - is the Knicks best offer of 4/72 close enough for him to come back at a discount?
Next couple of days will be interesting for sure.
I hope you’re right. I think we just need to decide whether to include money or McBride in the deal to complete the bridges trade in order for us to be under the second apron to sign IHart.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
I can't believe Rose would act the way he did at the draft avoiding a C like the plague without pretty good knowledge IHart would come back. I mean he had Adem Bona staring at him at 40 and traded out of the pick while getting little to nothing in return but cash.
I totally agree. There had to have been an agreement between iHart and the NYK. iHart might sign a short one or two year deal and then with his Bird Rights firmly in hand sign a max deal after that with the Knicks.
His wife's a model. iHart's options are NY, Orlando, or OKC. For a model, it's obvious where she'd want to be professionally. IHart's a big part of this team now and they're ascending. OKC is also a top team, better even, so he'd have that going for him. Orlando is just a middling team. iHart can't say the Knicks didn't try if he goes elsewhere.
Great question. I wish I knew all the stuff a lot better. Definitely a little difficult to keep track of sometimes.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
I read/heard somewhere that they can no longer do that with Precious. He was going to be a Restricted FA, but the Knicks didn't make him a qualifying offer, so now he's an Unrestricted FA. As a result they can't do a sign and trade with him anymore. I'm not totally sure about this, but that's what I recall reading/hearing elsewhere yesterday. Someone please update/correct me if I'm wrong. This whole thing is confusing AF, lol.
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Let's make some assumptions.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
I read/heard somewhere that they can no longer do that with Precious. He was going to be a Restricted FA, but the Knicks didn't make him a qualifying offer, so now he's an Unrestricted FA. As a result they can't do a sign and trade with him anymore. I'm not totally sure about this, but that's what I recall reading/hearing elsewhere yesterday. Someone please update/correct me if I'm wrong. This whole thing is confusing AF, lol.
I said it but i guess technically they didnt renounce his rights yet even though they didnt extend the qualifying offer....
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Using MLE hard caps at 1st apron
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Let's make some assumptions.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Using MLE hard caps at 1st apron
But after we make all these moves, it wouldn't matter if the MLE is the last move we make. So, do we have it or not under this situation?
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Let's make some assumptions.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Using MLE hard caps at 1st apron
But after we make all these moves, it wouldn't matter if the MLE is the last move we make. So, do we have it or not under this situation?
Either we get iHart or we get a 5.9 level exception. But not both. Either one requires us not being hard capped at the first apron.
I am sorry are they ever going to learn?
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
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Let's make some assumptions.
1. We sign and trade Precious to get under Bridges' salary to prevent us from getting stuck in one of the aprons.
2. We re-sign IHart.
With that said, if both of those things occur, would we still have the MLE or soemthing else to add to the team? I think this team still needs a PF/C type. Randle will start, OG can play the backup minutes at the 4. If one of them were to get injured or miss time, we could piece it together for some time but it would be nice to have someone that can get decent minutes at the PF spot. Same goes for C if Mitch or IHart were to miss time. I'm not saying Taj at all but a guy like him that knows his role and could come in and give us quality minutes.
Using MLE hard caps at 1st apron
But after we make all these moves, it wouldn't matter if the MLE is the last move we make. So, do we have it or not under this situation?
Either we get iHart or we get a 5.9 level exception. But not both. Either one requires us not being hard capped at the first apron.
Thanks.
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All the money they’ve pissed away on washed up players and they’re gonna pinch pennies on Paul George.
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
I don't think he wants to leave LA but is going to milk the Clippers for everything he can you would hope this other teams realize he is not worth 50 a year but Philly is desperate.
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All the money they’ve pissed away on washed up players and they’re gonna pinch pennies on Paul George.
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
I don't think he wants to leave LA but is going to milk the Clippers for everything he can you would hope this other teams realize he is not worth 50 a year but Philly is desperate.
I think there's a pretty decent chance that year 3 and 4 of that contract age like milk, but year 1 and 2 he's still good enough to cause other teams (The Knicks) serious problems. Probably a 20% chance Embiid and PG are both healthy at the same time in the playoffs but that's a tough out if they are, right when the Knicks look ready to be a serious contender.
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All the money they’ve pissed away on washed up players and they’re gonna pinch pennies on Paul George.
So dumb. I think PG thinks it's dumb too and is just calling their bluff.
They're all in for 3 years with Kawhi, if the worst case scenario is you're stuck with a 38 year old PG for one year that can't be the end of the world
I don't think he wants to leave LA but is going to milk the Clippers for everything he can you would hope this other teams realize he is not worth 50 a year but Philly is desperate.
I think there's a pretty decent chance that year 3 and 4 of that contract age like milk, but year 1 and 2 he's still good enough to cause other teams (The Knicks) serious problems. Probably a 20% chance Embiid and PG are both healthy at the same time in the playoffs but that's a tough out if they are, right when the Knicks look ready to be a serious contender.
Yeah if you are the sixers you need to do something... The Knicks are massively upgraded vs the team that beat sixers in playoffs (Randle and Bridges)... So Sixers are indeed desperate
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
I don’t know man. Two players making over $50M and Maxey getting ready to get paid as well, probably also a max deal, the rest of that roster will likely be trash. It’s very difficult to build a team around 3 max contracts with the new CBA. Does it ever work anymore?
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but I think the Nova Knicks with Randle and OG is better..
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
I don’t know man. Two players making over $50M and Maxey getting ready to get paid as well, probably also a max deal, the rest of that roster will likely be trash. It’s very difficult to build a team around 3 max contracts with the new CBA. Does it ever work anymore?
No what i am saying is the Knicks are better and built better but they are going to have so much hype like the suns bjg 3 got hyped up, that they are goingnto want Sixers vs Knicks game 1
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but I think the Nova Knicks with Randle and OG is better..
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
I don’t know man. Two players making over $50M and Maxey getting ready to get paid as well, probably also a max deal, the rest of that roster will likely be trash. It’s very difficult to build a team around 3 max contracts with the new CBA. Does it ever work anymore?
No what i am saying is the Knicks are better and built better but they are going to have so much hype like the suns bjg 3 got hyped up, that they are goingnto want Sixers vs Knicks game 1
Yeah, I agree with you. My wording wasn’t the best but I was just commenting randomly on the idea of the Sixers trying to go the 3 stars/max contracts route. It’s a dying method in the NBA because it doesn’t work anymore. It has too much of an effect on the rest of the roster. But, we all know Daryl Morey is a star chaser to the highest degree. He loves him some name recognition
That would be a concern.
Also unrelated but it really seems like Mitchell is going to sign a full max with Cleveland. I really did not see that coming. Figured he'd force his way to Miami or something like that to play with Bam.
I want the Pacers game 1 at the garden national tv to make a statement, but i thjnk if George goes to Philly your going to see Philly vs the Knicks
It's gonna be Boston -Knicks I bet
That would be a concern.
Also unrelated but it really seems like Mitchell is going to sign a full max with Cleveland. I really did not see that coming. Figured he'd force his way to Miami or something like that to play with Bam.
If they got Lauri it would be scary because of his ability to play off of Maxxey and Embiid..
Ingram ehhh, i dont think he fits with a Maxxey, OG, Embiid big 3..
I think with Mitchell he rrally wanted to be a Knick but knew once Brunson became what he is that it was never going to happen, no way he thinks Cleveland can compete
Or Ainge hates us so much that he just gives him up for a 2nd.
I'm joking.
You eat all your cap space to build around those 2 is ridiculous.
It would also probably save the Clippers from themselves.
Orlando is not going to sign Hartenstein for 25 mil per year if they only have 52 and are offering PG the max.
The team that should be offering the max to PG btw is the Thunder, but it doesn't look like they're involved for some reason.
Very happy for Obi.
our front office has done really well but they botched quite a bit when it came to Obi - pretty much from day one up until the trade. Not a good look that they just gave away a guy who clearly has some value.
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All the Knicks are getting paid.
our front office has done really well but they botched quite a bit when it came to Obi - pretty much from day one up until the trade. Not a good look that they just gave away a guy who clearly has some value.
They're quite good at recovering from their mistakes IE they basically swapped out Obi for Donte
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All the Knicks are getting paid.
our front office has done really well but they botched quite a bit when it came to Obi - pretty much from day one up until the trade. Not a good look that they just gave away a guy who clearly has some value.
They're quite good at recovering from their mistakes IE they basically swapped out Obi for Donte
that's a really naive way to look at it.
Best case scenario is Orlando signs PG and OKC makes a big move for Markannen or sits out Hartenstein's FA. If it's all about the money for George then Orlando makes the most sense given the tax advantage
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it seems like the Magic not the Thunder are the big threat for iHart. Scotto thinks it’ll be 23 mil per. Not necessarily that he’ll take it.
Best case scenario is Orlando signs PG and OKC makes a big move for Markannen or sits out Hartenstein's FA. If it's all about the money for George then Orlando makes the most sense given the tax advantage
PG not wanting to tie his future to a chronically injured Embiid with no depth wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world.
Three guard lineup with no defense is wild.
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it seems like the Magic not the Thunder are the big threat for iHart. Scotto thinks it’ll be 23 mil per. Not necessarily that he’ll take it.
Best case scenario is Orlando signs PG and OKC makes a big move for Markannen or sits out Hartenstein's FA. If it's all about the money for George then Orlando makes the most sense given the tax advantage
PG not wanting to tie his future to a chronically injured Embiid with no depth wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world.
Philly market will also eat him alive if plays and acts the way he did this past season in LA