Don't bother looking up Dom Hamel's pitching line. Last night he went 4.2 innings and gave up 7 ER and 3 homers.
Oh those base-on-balls.....still a problem for Dom.
I was going to mention it. I really think it's time to pull the plug and start giving him time in the pen where his stuff could play up better in shorter stints. He's already 25.
just doesn't look like a viable MLB SPer and while plenty of SPers make successful transitions to the pen, he's figures to be a little bumpier given his command problems. They should make that move now. He's rule 5 eligible and it probably makes sense to see if he's potentially worth adding .
Both Dom Hamel and Mike Vasil have struggled in 2024. Both are rule 5 eligible and are the *type* of arms other teams may consider taking a shot on. It would probably behoove @mets
to see if either one of them is a viable option out of the bullpen (in Syracuse)
JJ Cooper
@jjcoop36
There are 19 Hall of Famers who were prospect-eligible in the BA Top 100 era (1990-2024). Of those, 17 were Top 100 Prospects. We didn't get the two relievers (Hoffman and Rivera).
Christian Scott, RHP, Mets (Up 29 Spots): Scott’s MLB debut has been everything that could have been expected or hoped, even if the Mets have briefly sent him back to Triple-A. Scott projects more as a durable mid-to-back of the rotation starter than an ace, but there’s plenty of value to that, especially for a pitcher who is ready to handle that role.
Christian Scott, RHP, Mets (Up 29 Spots): Scott’s MLB debut has been everything that could have been expected or hoped, even if the Mets have briefly sent him back to Triple-A. Scott projects more as a durable mid-to-back of the rotation starter than an ace, but there’s plenty of value to that, especially for a pitcher who is ready to handle that role.
I think Scott can be a top of the rotation type of SP.
Both Dom Hamel and Mike Vasil have struggled in 2024. Both are rule 5 eligible and are the *type* of arms other teams may consider taking a shot on. It would probably behoove @mets
to see if either one of them is a viable option out of the bullpen (in Syracuse)
As far as Hamel goes (and Vasil for that matter) I think they need a 'put-away' pitch. Far too often they get 2 strikes on a batter.....and give then give up a hit or a walk. They could use the services of a good pitching coach.
September call up for some quality time with Hefner would help.
when the Mets got Clifford last year here were his numbers in A+ in the south atlantic league (same league as brooklyn, not as bad of a park factor) in 250 plate appearances:
his ISO and OBP are almost identical in both so overall it looks a lot he's the same overall effectiveness, just adjusted to a stronger league a year later.
the good = XBH% and walk rate both up against better comp
the not great = fewer singles, more K's
could be bad luck (low babip) or could be a swing more boom or bust. also likely some impact from taking so many walks and presumably not swinging a lot more often. the exta power and walks are fine, but they push his profile a little more in the duda direction. id actually prefer fewer walks but better contact numbers. id like to see him hit .250+ over the 2nd half of the year in AA even if power/walks come down slightly.
when the Mets got Clifford last year here were his numbers in A+ in the south atlantic league (same league as brooklyn, not as bad of a park factor) in 250 plate appearances:
his ISO and OBP are almost identical in both so overall it looks a lot he's the same overall effectiveness, just adjusted to a stronger league a year later.
the good = XBH% and walk rate both up against better comp
the not great = fewer singles, more K's
could be bad luck (low babip) or could be a swing more boom or bust. also likely some impact from taking so many walks and presumably not swinging a lot more often. the exta power and walks are fine, but they push his profile a little more in the duda direction. id actually prefer fewer walks but better contact numbers. id like to see him hit .250+ over the 2nd half of the year in AA even if power/walks come down slightly.
In a race to see how many top prospects can be placed on the IL at once...
@mets
add another. Brooklyn Cyclones placed SS Jesus Baez on the 7-day injured list.
with an ops above some number (800?). it may have been rc. either way as disappointing as his numbers were in brooklyn the last 2 years, his leap in Bing is i think significantly more impressive if he can keep it up. especially if he can keep improving the contact.
RE: i think i saw someone say hes just 1 of like 3 players under 21 in AA
with an ops above some number (800?). it may have been rc. either way as disappointing as his numbers were in brooklyn the last 2 years, his leap in Bing is i think significantly more impressive if he can keep it up. especially if he can keep improving the contact.
That's correct. I don't think people realized his age and how young he was for the league. His wRC+ before tonight's game is already away above average.
Former @mets minor leaguer LHP Matt Gage Extremely small sample size but 50% GB% over 6.2 innings this season, 51.6% in 2022 (13 innings). Lefties against him (.105/.320/.105). Astros connection. @mets should be interested #Mets
From Sammons notes Stearns lack of draft success in Milwaukee, Gross’s strength in the draft with Houston and the fact the Mets may go with higher upside/riskier picks this year.
From Sammons notes Stearns lack of draft success in Milwaukee, Gross’s strength in the draft with Houston and the fact the Mets may go with higher upside/riskier picks this year.
Interesting! I wonder if they're eyeing up someone like Brody Brecht then. Huge FB/SL combo.
RHP Jack Wenninger has been promoted to @BKCyclones. Wenninger posted a 4.02 FIP, 11.18 K/9 (2nd best in the organization-full season) with @stluciemets. Wenninger (while not a hard thrower) has one of the better changeups in the organization #Mets
went from 2006 until 2021 (25 1st round picks) until they had a player drafted by them that played 1 single full season for the club. It's pretty well established the Brewers weren't built via a great ability to draft. Their current lineup of their top 6 in fWAR, 1 came via the draft (Turang). Pitching side only Robert Gasser. Makes their success that much more impressive tbh.
had multiple people in their FO with a strong scouting background but Bregman, Pena, Myers, Loperfido, McCormick (having an awful year but first 3 seasons 6.6 fWAR), Dubin, Brown, Arrighetti (3/5 of their rotation) came via draft (in fact all 5 of their current SPers (aka not on the IL) are homegrown) and they have home grown SPers Luis Garcia, Christian Javier, Jose Urquidy, Lance McCullers Jr and Jake Bloss all on the IL (all but Bloss have had legitimate MLB success in the past).
went from 2006 until 2021 (25 1st round picks) until they had a player drafted by them that played 1 single full season for the club. It's pretty well established the Brewers weren't built via a great ability to draft. Their current lineup of their top 6 in fWAR, 1 came via the draft (Turang). Pitching side only Robert Gasser. Makes their success that much more impressive tbh.
this got me curious about brewers FO, their scouting director since 2016 has been a guy named Tod Johnson who was at the time internally promoted scouting director. he is still currently their VP of domestic scouting so i guess they are happy enough with him. other than what looks like a really bad 2017 his first 5 years first round picks were ok - Hiura (17), Lutz (17sup), Turang (18), Small (19), Mitchell (20), Black (20 sup), Frelick (21). 2 are regulars, 3 on active roster, seems like black is close and a consensus top 100.
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MILWAUKEE -- The Brewers have promoted Tod Johnson, who worked for Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard before his career in baseball, to amateur scouting director in a move that further cements the club's commitment to analytics.
Johnson, 43, takes over administration of the Draft from Ray Montgomery, who will have broader responsibilities as vice president of scouting. Pro scouting director Zack Minasian is moving into an advisory role within the department.
"I think it's a re-evaluation on the whole of our scouting group, and trying our best to put our skill sets in the right spots," said general manager David Stearns, who inherited all three men from the Brewers' previous front-office regime. "A year into this, I've had the opportunity to learn a lot about our staff. I'm frankly very pleased with what I've seen."
That is reflected, Stearns said, by the fact Johnson emerged from a field of seven internal and external candidates for the amateur scouting director vacancy. Johnson is in his ninth season in Milwaukee's front office, the past six as assistant amateur scouting director. His media guide bio says part of Johnson's job was working with the baseball research and development department to set the direction for the usage of data and technology in baseball operations -- in other words, using objective metrics to evaluate amateur players in addition to the traditional scouting methods.
Johnson worked in Silicon Valley for a dozen years before joining the Brewers as an "application developer" in 2007, and he went to scout school in '08, according to a Baseball America story from '12. Johnson left the Brewers in '10 to serve as baseball systems architect for the Padres, then returned the following season as assistant amateur scouting director.
"When you go through a process like this and one of the in-house people proves to be the best fit, I think it's a good moment for the organization as a whole," Stearns said.
mets picks in those years were Peterson, Kelenic, Baty, PCA, 2021 was rocker which led to jett/parada.
turang is probably currently the best player out of that group and frelick looks probably as likely as pca/baty/kelenic to work out.
those werent exceptionally good years by the mets but i dont think they were exceptionally bad either. we know the guys who ran the mets drafts in those years had a very good track record on that decade. i think both groups are currently probably somewhere in a league average range in terms of productivity though it's still early enough someone could break out and change things (i.e. if baty ends up the next bohm in a couple years, that will change things a lot).
Brewers are tied for 3rd fewest major leaguers drafted on OD rosters this season (14). The Dodgers led the league with 29 (for comparisons sake), the average team had 19.4. Will Sammon obviously isn't speaking out of his ass when he said
"The Brewers have had some recent success stories from the draft and there’s plenty of time in some other cases for development, but generally speaking, the draft was not one of Stearns’ biggest strengths during his successful tenure with the club."
Remember, Sammon actually covered the Brewers 2018-2021.
Here he is talking about Stearns when he took the job covering the Mets, praising how much he learned from Stearns.
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For the past three seasons, I covered the Milwaukee Brewers for The Athletic. For professional and personal reasons, I loved Milwaukee. I met my girlfriend, Daniela, in Milwaukee; of course, she was a Brewers fan on vacation from the Northeast and we met near the large glove and the replica racing sausages. It’s where I lived during some of the most historic moments of our country’s recent history. After five years covering college football, the Brewers were my first baseball beat. The players, the fans, the media and those who worked in the organization often made my gig feel exactly what I figured it’d be in February 2020: a dream job. Every day, I had the opportunity to learn more about the game I grew up loving. And no one taught me more than Craig Counsell and David Stearns, two of the smarter minds in baseball. In switching beats at The Athletic to the Mets, I get to take my experiences covering an MLB team and apply them to the largest media market, join the talented Tim Britton and cover one of baseball’s most exciting teams. I also get to come home.
don't think anybody holds the Mets up as an example of being outstanding at player development. There is a reason as to why they have had 4 different people running the player development side in the last 5 seasons. Keith Law used to parrot how well the Mets drafted in years past but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny, the Mets over the past decade were 29th in fWAR via the draft, 30th... the Brewers. The Mets also were tied for 29th in players drafted on OD rosters (11), only the Nationals were worse.
Sammon piece suggests that Kris Gross will be running this draft (Tanous isn't even mentioned in the piece), which also insinuates they haven't been particularly enamored with their recent drafts.
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Stearns worked with VP of amateur scouting Kris Gross in Houston from 2013 to 2015. Gross spent 11 seasons in the Astros organization and oversaw its past five amateur drafts. Houston did not have a first or second-round pick in two of them, part of its punishment for electronically stealing signs at Minute Maid Park in 2017 and 2018.
Gross joined the team’s scouting staff in 2012. The Astros have since drafted and signed a major-league-high 64 players who appeared in the big leagues either with Houston or another club.
Several in the industry believe the Mets might do a blend of what Houston and Milwaukee have valued in recent years. Mostly, that means explosive athletes with big tools and pitchers with electric raw stuff.
I would not be surprised if Tanous is let go following this season given what I've also been hearing on the IFA side ("major changes coming")
DSL Blue- Vladi Gomez 2-3, 2 2b, Terrero 3-3, 2b (Alberto Castillo's son), Vladi Guerrero 1-3, 2 k's (5/43 with 19 k's ). Acosta 1-2, BB, Guevara 6 innings 2 hits 0 runs 1 walk 5 k's (would not shock me to see him promoted to the GCL team) to finish up his season #Mets
ranks J-Rod the #23 hitter in the complex leagues. The only Met in the top 25. Joseph Yabbour #9among pitchers, Jesus Baez was the #13 hitter in Low-A, Jonah Tong #2 low-A pitcher, Tong #10 high-A pitcher, Nolan McLean #21, Ryan Clifford #15 AA hitter, McLean #10 AA pitcher, Sproat #23, Scott #2 AAA pitcher
ranks J-Rod the #23 hitter in the complex leagues. The only Met in the top 25. Joseph Yabbour #9among pitchers, Jesus Baez was the #13 hitter in Low-A, Jonah Tong #2 low-A pitcher, Tong #10 high-A pitcher, Nolan McLean #21, Ryan Clifford #15 AA hitter, McLean #10 AA pitcher, Sproat #23, Scott #2 AAA pitcher
Sproat #23 AA SP? Loses a lot of credibility there.
ranks J-Rod the #23 hitter in the complex leagues. The only Met in the top 25. Joseph Yabbour #9among pitchers, Jesus Baez was the #13 hitter in Low-A, Jonah Tong #2 low-A pitcher, Tong #10 high-A pitcher, Nolan McLean #21, Ryan Clifford #15 AA hitter, McLean #10 AA pitcher, Sproat #23, Scott #2 AAA pitcher
Sproat #23 AA SP? Loses a lot of credibility there.
It's by the numbers.
"As a reminder, the RoboScore is the value (0 to 100) assigned per level by RoboScout based on 2024 statistical performance and projecting fantasy value (without considering defensive position or ability). The RoboCast number is the RoboScore but with statcast blended in and then transformed to the 0 to 100 scale."
Sproat 78 roboscore, 76 robocast.
I actually missed Jarvis who came in at 22
"Another pitcher who has eschewed walks in the summer, is Justin Jarvis (Mets) who has only allowed 3% of batters over his last 31 innings to reach base by way of a base on balls. With a 30% strikeout rate over that span, it seems that hitters have had trouble with his fastball/cutter mix – which, together, make up over 83% of the pitches he’s thrown. It’s a starter’s mix and he has shown good pitchability – but it might not be enough to get him much further than the back of a rotation."
interesting because the prospect writers also don't seem as high on Sproat as one would think (BA ranked him the #86 prospect in baseball last week) which is obviously good but their grades suggest his stuff is more good than great
interesting because the prospect writers also don't seem as high on Sproat as one would think (BA ranked him the #86 prospect in baseball last week) which is obviously good but their grades suggest his stuff is more good than great
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Wenninger with a really good start as well.
Don't bother looking up Dom Hamel's pitching line. Last night he went 4.2 innings and gave up 7 ER and 3 homers.
Oh those base-on-balls.....still a problem for Dom.
I was going to mention it. I really think it's time to pull the plug and start giving him time in the pen where his stuff could play up better in shorter stints. He's already 25.
Fair point
@mikemayer22
The latest Baseball America Top 100 MLB prospects update:
22. Christian Scott
36. Jett Williams
64. Drew Gilbert
65. Ronny Mauricio
85. Blade Tidwell
86. Brandon Sproat
to see if either one of them is a viable option out of the bullpen (in Syracuse)
this season
@jjcoop36
There are 19 Hall of Famers who were prospect-eligible in the BA Top 100 era (1990-2024). Of those, 17 were Top 100 Prospects. We didn't get the two relievers (Hoffman and Rivera).
@jjcoop36
Looking ahead. The next group of likely HoFers are Ichiro and CC Sabathia. Both were Top 10 in the Top 100.
Next possible HoFers? Billy Wagner, Andruw Jones Buster Posey, Carlos Beltran, Yadier Molina, Miguel Cabrera, Chase Utley.
We missed on Molina. Rest were Top 100.
I think Scott can be a top of the rotation type of SP.
@Mets_Minors
Roster moves:
RHP Jeffrey Colon promoted to Double-A
RHP Justin Jarvis promoted to Triple-A
to see if either one of them is a viable option out of the bullpen (in Syracuse)
As far as Hamel goes (and Vasil for that matter) I think they need a 'put-away' pitch. Far too often they get 2 strikes on a batter.....and give then give up a hit or a walk. They could use the services of a good pitching coach.
September call up for some quality time with Hefner would help.
Verified
@WillSammon
Outfielder Trayce Thompson has been released from his contract with Triple-A Syracuse, the club announced.
rc 140
.271/.356/.547 (903 ops)
16 homers/11 2b = 12.5% xbh
8% walk rate, 24% k-rate
.276 iso, .298 babip
here is clifford now in 168 plate appearances at AA:
rc 128
.195/.353/.466 (819 ops)
9 homers/9 2b = 13.7% xbh
18% walk rate, 27% k-rate
.275 iso, .205 babip
his ISO and OBP are almost identical in both so overall it looks a lot he's the same overall effectiveness, just adjusted to a stronger league a year later.
the good = XBH% and walk rate both up against better comp
the not great = fewer singles, more K's
could be bad luck (low babip) or could be a swing more boom or bust. also likely some impact from taking so many walks and presumably not swinging a lot more often. the exta power and walks are fine, but they push his profile a little more in the duda direction. id actually prefer fewer walks but better contact numbers. id like to see him hit .250+ over the 2nd half of the year in AA even if power/walks come down slightly.
rc 140
.271/.356/.547 (903 ops)
16 homers/11 2b = 12.5% xbh
8% walk rate, 24% k-rate
.276 iso, .298 babip
here is clifford now in 168 plate appearances at AA:
rc 128
.195/.353/.466 (819 ops)
9 homers/9 2b = 13.7% xbh
18% walk rate, 27% k-rate
.275 iso, .205 babip
his ISO and OBP are almost identical in both so overall it looks a lot he's the same overall effectiveness, just adjusted to a stronger league a year later.
the good = XBH% and walk rate both up against better comp
the not great = fewer singles, more K's
could be bad luck (low babip) or could be a swing more boom or bust. also likely some impact from taking so many walks and presumably not swinging a lot more often. the exta power and walks are fine, but they push his profile a little more in the duda direction. id actually prefer fewer walks but better contact numbers. id like to see him hit .250+ over the 2nd half of the year in AA even if power/walks come down slightly.
Clifford 3/3 tonight so far with a double.
Sproat through 5 so far giving up 1 run.
mikey
@mjd_analysis
Brandon Sproat might be insane
Sproat 2 ER over 6.2 IP. 3 H 2 BB 9 K.
@mets
add another. Brooklyn Cyclones placed SS Jesus Baez on the 7-day injured list.
Still 20 years old!....until 7/20.
That's correct. I don't think people realized his age and how young he was for the league. His wRC+ before tonight's game is already away above average.
Excuse me. Waiver claim
Former @mets minor leaguer LHP Matt Gage Extremely small sample size but 50% GB% over 6.2 innings this season, 51.6% in 2022 (13 innings). Lefties against him (.105/.320/.105). Astros connection. @mets should be interested #Mets
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Interesting! I wonder if they're eyeing up someone like Brody Brecht then. Huge FB/SL combo.
Jett Williams part 2 and a speedster. Wouldn't hate either but would probably prefer Caldwell out of the 2.
FU question for the minors experts...any chance Mis debuts this year?
FU question for the minors experts...any chance Mis debuts this year?
Drafted in 2022 so yes.
He could be up but I'd say no at this point. He's still walking way too many guys.
this got me curious about brewers FO, their scouting director since 2016 has been a guy named Tod Johnson who was at the time internally promoted scouting director. he is still currently their VP of domestic scouting so i guess they are happy enough with him. other than what looks like a really bad 2017 his first 5 years first round picks were ok - Hiura (17), Lutz (17sup), Turang (18), Small (19), Mitchell (20), Black (20 sup), Frelick (21). 2 are regulars, 3 on active roster, seems like black is close and a consensus top 100.
Johnson, 43, takes over administration of the Draft from Ray Montgomery, who will have broader responsibilities as vice president of scouting. Pro scouting director Zack Minasian is moving into an advisory role within the department.
"I think it's a re-evaluation on the whole of our scouting group, and trying our best to put our skill sets in the right spots," said general manager David Stearns, who inherited all three men from the Brewers' previous front-office regime. "A year into this, I've had the opportunity to learn a lot about our staff. I'm frankly very pleased with what I've seen."
That is reflected, Stearns said, by the fact Johnson emerged from a field of seven internal and external candidates for the amateur scouting director vacancy. Johnson is in his ninth season in Milwaukee's front office, the past six as assistant amateur scouting director. His media guide bio says part of Johnson's job was working with the baseball research and development department to set the direction for the usage of data and technology in baseball operations -- in other words, using objective metrics to evaluate amateur players in addition to the traditional scouting methods.
Johnson worked in Silicon Valley for a dozen years before joining the Brewers as an "application developer" in 2007, and he went to scout school in '08, according to a Baseball America story from '12. Johnson left the Brewers in '10 to serve as baseball systems architect for the Padres, then returned the following season as assistant amateur scouting director.
"When you go through a process like this and one of the in-house people proves to be the best fit, I think it's a good moment for the organization as a whole," Stearns said.
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Lutz lasted in the Brewers system until 2023 and was released and has since retired
Small was traded to the Giants for cash and is a 27 year old minor leaguer
Huira was the 9th pick in the draft, career 2.5 fWAR, now with his 4th organization (28 later this month
Turang is obviously a good player (or at least he has been this season so far, awful last year in his rookie year)
Mitchell is a soon to be 26 year old extra OF for the Brewers
Frelick is solid but nothing special, career 94 wRC+
And Tyler Black is a good/solid prospect
turang is probably currently the best player out of that group and frelick looks probably as likely as pca/baty/kelenic to work out.
those werent exceptionally good years by the mets but i dont think they were exceptionally bad either. we know the guys who ran the mets drafts in those years had a very good track record on that decade. i think both groups are currently probably somewhere in a league average range in terms of productivity though it's still early enough someone could break out and change things (i.e. if baty ends up the next bohm in a couple years, that will change things a lot).
"The Brewers have had some recent success stories from the draft and there’s plenty of time in some other cases for development, but generally speaking, the draft was not one of Stearns’ biggest strengths during his successful tenure with the club."
Remember, Sammon actually covered the Brewers 2018-2021.
Here he is talking about Stearns when he took the job covering the Mets, praising how much he learned from Stearns.
Gross joined the team’s scouting staff in 2012. The Astros have since drafted and signed a major-league-high 64 players who appeared in the big leagues either with Houston or another club.
Several in the industry believe the Mets might do a blend of what Houston and Milwaukee have valued in recent years. Mostly, that means explosive athletes with big tools and pitchers with electric raw stuff.
I would not be surprised if Tanous is let go following this season given what I've also been hearing on the IFA side ("major changes coming")
Rodriguez now 1-3
Sproat #23 AA SP? Loses a lot of credibility there.
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ranks J-Rod the #23 hitter in the complex leagues. The only Met in the top 25. Joseph Yabbour #9among pitchers, Jesus Baez was the #13 hitter in Low-A, Jonah Tong #2 low-A pitcher, Tong #10 high-A pitcher, Nolan McLean #21, Ryan Clifford #15 AA hitter, McLean #10 AA pitcher, Sproat #23, Scott #2 AAA pitcher
Sproat #23 AA SP? Loses a lot of credibility there.
It's by the numbers.
"As a reminder, the RoboScore is the value (0 to 100) assigned per level by RoboScout based on 2024 statistical performance and projecting fantasy value (without considering defensive position or ability). The RoboCast number is the RoboScore but with statcast blended in and then transformed to the 0 to 100 scale."
Sproat 78 roboscore, 76 robocast.
I actually missed Jarvis who came in at 22
"Another pitcher who has eschewed walks in the summer, is Justin Jarvis (Mets) who has only allowed 3% of batters over his last 31 innings to reach base by way of a base on balls. With a 30% strikeout rate over that span, it seems that hitters have had trouble with his fastball/cutter mix – which, together, make up over 83% of the pitches he’s thrown. It’s a starter’s mix and he has shown good pitchability – but it might not be enough to get him much further than the back of a rotation."
Scouting Grades Fastball: 55 | Curveball: 45 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 50
Scouting Grades Fastball: 55 | Curveball: 45 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 50
I think those grades always lag.
By the numbers you'd still think Sproat would be higher but interesting none the less.