Mayer proposes trading Tyler Stuart and Nick Morabito for Jesse Winker
Seems like a lot to give up for a rental. Maybe Morabito only.
Morabito is all I'd do, and I prolly wouldn't even do that. Winker is a dog with a mit on and is an impending FA. You could convince me if he was better in the field, but man, he's turrible there, which is a shame cuz he'd be a great guy in one of the corner OF spots if he were just average. He's a left-handed hitter with pop who would do well here we all think. He's the type of player that would thrive in NYC IMO. Buffalo kid who digs the passionate vibes at Citi Field. He's an instant improvement over Stewart and Gamel. I have to admit that it's really tempting to trade for Winker, but the lack of defense makes me say no.
not a huge Winker fan but if Winker were a good fielder, his price via trade would be significantly higher than Morabito types. He has a 130 wRC+ tied for 31st in baseball, 11th amongst OFers, we'd be talking about names like Tidwell and Mauricio if Winker were also an average or better fielder, even as a rental.
not a huge Winker fan but if Winker were a good fielder, his price via trade would be significantly higher than Morabito types. He has a 130 wRC+ tied for 31st in baseball, 11th amongst OFers, we'd be talking about names like Tidwell and Mauricio if Winker were also an average or better fielder, even as a rental.
Add in who Winker would be replacing. Can't count on Marte. They have Stewart and Gamel on the team (both poor fielders). Mets need an upgrade there. I'd rather see them keep Morabito for a Winker, but not going to lose sleep over it.
I'd try and send them Ramirez instead.
i doubt they trade for winker - i wanted to give him a ST invite but
the fact that Stearns didnt even do that when they had some use for him (especially before signing JDM, he could have been a good DH option mixing with vientos) makes me think the experience with him in MIL wasnt good last year beyond the numbers. it was an easy no risk add then, so i very much doubt they would give up prospects for him now.
i have always liked winker though. if they think marte is out for the year or something i could maybe see it.
not even advocating for Winker, I'm just saying if he were a solid defensive player, a Morabito headlined package wouldn't be anywhere near the best offer. That's not a shot at Morabito.
not even advocating for Winker, I'm just saying if he were a solid defensive player, a Morabito headlined package wouldn't be anywhere near the best offer. That's not a shot at Morabito.
jmo but he's a non-premium enough asset that it's kind of impossible to say despite the good year.
is winker more comparable in value to canha who only returned jarvis? or pham, who brought back j-rod?
i think it could be either and it's probably more impacted by who else ends up on the market than winker himself. if bichette, chisholm, vlad jr, etc hit the market then winker probably ends up a less competitive player to trade for and a better chance he brings back a weak return. kind of like mancini in 2022.
has a 130 wRC+, Canha had a 105 wRC+ at the time of the trade and was owed "significant" money. Winker is owed under 1 million aka every single team in baseball down to the A's can afford him/money would have no impact on his market. Morabito has a 103 wRC+ slugging .347 in A+. If Jesse Winker were a solid defensive player he'd be on pace for almost 4 fWAR (1.3 right now), Canha put up 1.7 fWAR for the entirety of 2023
125 wRC+, 1.4 fWAR at the time of the trade, so he's likely a far better comparison and again, I'm suggesting *if* Winker were a good defensive player, he's not. But if he were he'd be an extremely hot commodity.
opinion is that Winker (right now, aka not in a hypothetical world where he were a good defensive player) would cost the Mets 2 prospects in the 20-30 range which includes names like Tyler Stuart (who he suggested would go *with* Morabito, Jacob Reimer, Kade Morris, Yovanny Rodriguez, Alex Ramirez etc
opinion is that Winker (right now, aka not in a hypothetical world where he were a good defensive player) would cost the Mets 2 prospects in the 20-30 range which includes names like Tyler Stuart (who he suggested would go *with* Morabito, Jacob Reimer, Kade Morris, Yovanny Rodriguez, Alex Ramirez etc
i think he's right, though there's obviously differences in lowly ranked prospects. i dont even recall j-rod being on too many public rankings last year bc he was so young whereas coleman crow and jarvis were just because they were higher up.
my main point was just that most over 30's deadline rental journeyman types, even if having good years, dont always bring back good (let's say top 10) prospects. pham obviously did but i think that's the exception more than usual. if marte (115 rc) were healthy and the mets paid the full freight on his contract i was hoping for but not expecting to get back another j-rod.
point is a hypothetical "good" defensive Winker would be one of the best players (if not THE best) bat traded at the deadline. He's a 130 wRC+ hitter this season, how many superior players to that are likely to be moved? His *current* value is almost certainly Morabito (plus). Morabito didn't make BA's mid-season update (Mets top 30) nor Fangraphs top 42. So they can both be "wrong" but it's fair to say he's not some major name right now.
So @mets have at least 4 @mets fans in the system. RHP Max Kranick, 3B Mark Vientos, RHP Ben Simon and new 2b Nick Roselli. (I'm sure there are more than 4, but those 4 are "known" to be Mets fans, or grew up rooting for the Mets) #Mets
Day off again for Gilbert/Reimer. I'd be surprised if they play another game for @FCLMets. Question is are they headed to @stluciemets or @BKCyclones next? #Mets
Day off again for Gilbert/Reimer. I'd be surprised if they play another game for @FCLMets. Question is are they headed to @stluciemets or @BKCyclones next? #Mets
Hopefully Cuse for Gilbert and Brooklyn for Reimer. No more rehab.
Day off again for Gilbert/Reimer. I'd be surprised if they play another game for @FCLMets. Question is are they headed to @stluciemets or @BKCyclones next? #Mets
Hopefully Cuse for Gilbert and Brooklyn for Reimer. No more rehab.
We'll see. Both are hitless (22 combined PA's). A stopover somewhere else wouldn't surprise me (Gilbert in particular).
opinion is that Winker (right now, aka not in a hypothetical world where he were a good defensive player) would cost the Mets 2 prospects in the 20-30 range which includes names like Tyler Stuart (who he suggested would go *with* Morabito, Jacob Reimer, Kade Morris, Yovanny Rodriguez, Alex Ramirez etc
I'd be opposed to trading Tyler Stuart, and if I did, I'd certainly want more than two months of Jesse Winker.
I believe there are better OF options at SYR right now, with more OF bats moving up thru the system.
opinion is that Winker (right now, aka not in a hypothetical world where he were a good defensive player) would cost the Mets 2 prospects in the 20-30 range which includes names like Tyler Stuart (who he suggested would go *with* Morabito, Jacob Reimer, Kade Morris, Yovanny Rodriguez, Alex Ramirez etc
I'd be opposed to trading Tyler Stuart, and if I did, I'd certainly want more than two months of Jesse Winker.
I believe there are better OF options at SYR right now, with more OF bats moving up thru the system.
And Stuart is worth holding and developing.
No disagreement here but I'd do Morabito for Winker without giving it much thought. Morabito barring significant power gains is a a 4th or 5th OFer and this team is in a playoff race.
Day off again for Gilbert/Reimer. I'd be surprised if they play another game for @FCLMets. Question is are they headed to @stluciemets or @BKCyclones next? #Mets
Hopefully Cuse for Gilbert and Brooklyn for Reimer. No more rehab.
We'll see. Both are hitless (22 combined PA's). A stopover somewhere else wouldn't surprise me (Gilbert in particular).
I'm not sure they're looking at stats. Probably seeing if they stay healthy and get their work in but we shall see where they pop up.
Yeah, they could pick any two players from the list of Morabito, Jacob Reimer, Kade Morris, Yovanny Rodriguez, Alex Ramirez (who I had high hopes for).
be pretty stunned if they moved Rodriguez for a rental player. They just paid him the biggest bonus in franchise history. Yes, he's struggled but he's also only 17.
be pretty stunned if they moved Rodriguez for a rental player. They just paid him the biggest bonus in franchise history. Yes, he's struggled but he's also only 17.
And look at the progress from Gutierrez this year. These are young kids and a lot of them will not hit the ground running. I can't see Yovanny being included but an absolute huge name.
The Mets and catcher Logan Porter are in agreement on a major league deal, according to Ari Alexander of KPRC 2 on X. The deal is pending a physical. The Mets will need to open a 40-man spot to make the move official.
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Yeah, they could pick any two players from the list of Morabito, Jacob Reimer, Kade Morris, Yovanny Rodriguez, Alex Ramirez (who I had high hopes for).
But in my opinion, Big Stuart is a keeper.
Gotta hold onto Tyler Stuart. Trading him for Winker is some reverse Ed Hearn type $hit.
Dan was right. Gilbert and Reimer in St Lucie tonight.
turns 21 today, where does he rank in the system right now? probably ahead of mauricio/acuna, has he bypassed gilbert? they may be teammates soon and he's almost 3 full years younger.
is far from the end all be all but their mid-seasoon update didn't have Clifford. If he continues hitting like this he's assuredly a lock for the end of the season list but that would suggest he's still behind a guy like Gilbert for them. BP only went 50 deep on their mid season list so that doesn't help much here lol
is far from the end all be all but their mid-seasoon update didn't have Clifford. If he continues hitting like this he's assuredly a lock for the end of the season list but that would suggest he's still behind a guy like Gilbert for them. BP only went 50 deep on their mid season list so that doesn't help much here lol
with gilbert not playing, i think it's more a question of style preference than talent scouting.
21 year old with massive power closing in on AAA or more well-rounded almost 24 year old, better at most everything except power?
there arent too many players in the system i'd feel more uncomfortable trading than clifford. jett and mauricio may be the only 2. acuna and gilbert are obviously way higher floor because of their defense but will either ever hit for enough damage? or are they just solid supporting players? clifford could be gallo or he could be schwarber, but it's scary to trade that much power upside at that age. schwarber was a fast mover but his age 21 was just his draft year. his age 22 was when he hit upper minors and got to mlb, and clifford is still going to be 21 for half of next year.
Dan was right. Gilbert and Reimer in St Lucie tonight.
turns 21 today, where does he rank in the system right now? probably ahead of mauricio/acuna, has he bypassed gilbert? they may be teammates soon and he's almost 3 full years younger.
Glad the Mets held out for him. He's likely to be the crown jewel of last summer's veteran trade-off/purge. As long as he stays healthy, he'll in 'Cuse to start next season and with the big club in 2026. The question is where? In a corner OF spot (RF) or at 1B to replace Pete?
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McLean (Up and down so far with Bing. 5.35 era/5.27 FIP, still solid 9.78 k/9, HR's have been killer (1.86/9)
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is far from the end all be all but their mid-seasoon update didn't have Clifford. If he continues hitting like this he's assuredly a lock for the end of the season list but that would suggest he's still behind a guy like Gilbert for them. BP only went 50 deep on their mid season list so that doesn't help much here lol
with gilbert not playing, i think it's more a question of style preference than talent scouting.
21 year old with massive power closing in on AAA or more well-rounded almost 24 year old, better at most everything except power?
there arent too many players in the system i'd feel more uncomfortable trading than clifford. jett and mauricio may be the only 2. acuna and gilbert are obviously way higher floor because of their defense but will either ever hit for enough damage? or are they just solid supporting players? clifford could be gallo or he could be schwarber, but it's scary to trade that much power upside at that age. schwarber was a fast mover but his age 21 was just his draft year. his age 22 was when he hit upper minors and got to mlb, and clifford is still going to be 21 for half of next year.
Exactly on the preference. I have him 3/4 with Gilbert. Jett and Sproat ahead.
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Mayer proposes trading Tyler Stuart and Nick Morabito for Jesse Winker
Seems like a lot to give up for a rental. Maybe Morabito only.
Morabito is all I'd do, and I prolly wouldn't even do that. Winker is a dog with a mit on and is an impending FA. You could convince me if he was better in the field, but man, he's turrible there, which is a shame cuz he'd be a great guy in one of the corner OF spots if he were just average. He's a left-handed hitter with pop who would do well here we all think. He's the type of player that would thrive in NYC IMO. Buffalo kid who digs the passionate vibes at Citi Field. He's an instant improvement over Stewart and Gamel. I have to admit that it's really tempting to trade for Winker, but the lack of defense makes me say no.
Love to see it from Sproat. Between Senga, Scott, and Sproat, I hope that is three rotation spots for next year.
Add in who Winker would be replacing. Can't count on Marte. They have Stewart and Gamel on the team (both poor fielders). Mets need an upgrade there. I'd rather see them keep Morabito for a Winker, but not going to lose sleep over it.
I'd try and send them Ramirez instead.
i have always liked winker though. if they think marte is out for the year or something i could maybe see it.
jmo but he's a non-premium enough asset that it's kind of impossible to say despite the good year.
is winker more comparable in value to canha who only returned jarvis? or pham, who brought back j-rod?
i think it could be either and it's probably more impacted by who else ends up on the market than winker himself. if bichette, chisholm, vlad jr, etc hit the market then winker probably ends up a less competitive player to trade for and a better chance he brings back a weak return. kind of like mancini in 2022.
i think he's right, though there's obviously differences in lowly ranked prospects. i dont even recall j-rod being on too many public rankings last year bc he was so young whereas coleman crow and jarvis were just because they were higher up.
my main point was just that most over 30's deadline rental journeyman types, even if having good years, dont always bring back good (let's say top 10) prospects. pham obviously did but i think that's the exception more than usual. if marte (115 rc) were healthy and the mets paid the full freight on his contract i was hoping for but not expecting to get back another j-rod.
That means Pete Alonso appears to be staying.
Hopefully Cuse for Gilbert and Brooklyn for Reimer. No more rehab.
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Day off again for Gilbert/Reimer. I'd be surprised if they play another game for @FCLMets. Question is are they headed to @stluciemets or @BKCyclones next? #Mets
Hopefully Cuse for Gilbert and Brooklyn for Reimer. No more rehab.
We'll see. Both are hitless (22 combined PA's). A stopover somewhere else wouldn't surprise me (Gilbert in particular).
I'd be opposed to trading Tyler Stuart, and if I did, I'd certainly want more than two months of Jesse Winker.
I believe there are better OF options at SYR right now, with more OF bats moving up thru the system.
And Stuart is worth holding and developing.
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opinion is that Winker (right now, aka not in a hypothetical world where he were a good defensive player) would cost the Mets 2 prospects in the 20-30 range which includes names like Tyler Stuart (who he suggested would go *with* Morabito, Jacob Reimer, Kade Morris, Yovanny Rodriguez, Alex Ramirez etc
I'd be opposed to trading Tyler Stuart, and if I did, I'd certainly want more than two months of Jesse Winker.
I believe there are better OF options at SYR right now, with more OF bats moving up thru the system.
And Stuart is worth holding and developing.
No disagreement here but I'd do Morabito for Winker without giving it much thought. Morabito barring significant power gains is a a 4th or 5th OFer and this team is in a playoff race.
1. Clifford 138
2. Gamel 135
3. Brosseau 134, Lorusso 134, Schwartz 134
6. Morabito 132
7. Hernandez 123
8. Baez 122
9. Juan 117
10. Cortes 116
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Day off again for Gilbert/Reimer. I'd be surprised if they play another game for @FCLMets. Question is are they headed to @stluciemets or @BKCyclones next? #Mets
Hopefully Cuse for Gilbert and Brooklyn for Reimer. No more rehab.
We'll see. Both are hitless (22 combined PA's). A stopover somewhere else wouldn't surprise me (Gilbert in particular).
I'm not sure they're looking at stats. Probably seeing if they stay healthy and get their work in but we shall see where they pop up.
But in my opinion, Big Stuart is a keeper.
And look at the progress from Gutierrez this year. These are young kids and a lot of them will not hit the ground running. I can't see Yovanny being included but an absolute huge name.
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fitting on the minor league thread, because that's where he should be (to be clear not playing thread police at all)
But in my opinion, Big Stuart is a keeper.
Gotta hold onto Tyler Stuart. Trading him for Winker is some reverse Ed Hearn type $hit.
He belongs in the minors. Seeing him up with the big club still hurts. Ugh...
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Dan was right. Gilbert and Reimer in St Lucie tonight.
Dan was right. Gilbert and Reimer in St Lucie tonight.
turns 21 today, where does he rank in the system right now? probably ahead of mauricio/acuna, has he bypassed gilbert? they may be teammates soon and he's almost 3 full years younger.
with gilbert not playing, i think it's more a question of style preference than talent scouting.
21 year old with massive power closing in on AAA or more well-rounded almost 24 year old, better at most everything except power?
there arent too many players in the system i'd feel more uncomfortable trading than clifford. jett and mauricio may be the only 2. acuna and gilbert are obviously way higher floor because of their defense but will either ever hit for enough damage? or are they just solid supporting players? clifford could be gallo or he could be schwarber, but it's scary to trade that much power upside at that age. schwarber was a fast mover but his age 21 was just his draft year. his age 22 was when he hit upper minors and got to mlb, and clifford is still going to be 21 for half of next year.
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A monstrous HR tonight.
Dan was right. Gilbert and Reimer in St Lucie tonight.
turns 21 today, where does he rank in the system right now? probably ahead of mauricio/acuna, has he bypassed gilbert? they may be teammates soon and he's almost 3 full years younger.
Glad the Mets held out for him. He's likely to be the crown jewel of last summer's veteran trade-off/purge. As long as he stays healthy, he'll in 'Cuse to start next season and with the big club in 2026. The question is where? In a corner OF spot (RF) or at 1B to replace Pete?
Baez not expected back any time soon. Talk about shitty injury luck with their top position player prospects this season.
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Kodai Senga (presumably his final rehab start)
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McLean (Up and down so far with Bing. 5.35 era/5.27 FIP, still solid 9.78 k/9, HR's have been killer (1.86/9)
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Kade Morris (quietly a solid 2024)
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Oh man that would suck if it was torn. That's going to cost him some of next year then.
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is far from the end all be all but their mid-seasoon update didn't have Clifford. If he continues hitting like this he's assuredly a lock for the end of the season list but that would suggest he's still behind a guy like Gilbert for them. BP only went 50 deep on their mid season list so that doesn't help much here lol
with gilbert not playing, i think it's more a question of style preference than talent scouting.
21 year old with massive power closing in on AAA or more well-rounded almost 24 year old, better at most everything except power?
there arent too many players in the system i'd feel more uncomfortable trading than clifford. jett and mauricio may be the only 2. acuna and gilbert are obviously way higher floor because of their defense but will either ever hit for enough damage? or are they just solid supporting players? clifford could be gallo or he could be schwarber, but it's scary to trade that much power upside at that age. schwarber was a fast mover but his age 21 was just his draft year. his age 22 was when he hit upper minors and got to mlb, and clifford is still going to be 21 for half of next year.
Exactly on the preference. I have him 3/4 with Gilbert. Jett and Sproat ahead.