Will watch on Max when they stream it, just not sure when they’ll make it available to stream.
If you're on the East Coast, probably at 9pm. I know that HotD episodes are available right when the show airs. And I think Bill Maher's show (which is live on the East Coast) is available within a few minutes of it going off the air.
Seems to have a balanced view of Jones, “mahomes would have had trouble behind this line” and “history is the best indicator of the past.” Second one in reference to jones injuries and struggles
You can see his meddling, trying to convince Schoen to tag Saquon and then says “then we’d have to draft one high”. Schoen had to convince him, what a hassle.
Schoen handled it well
“This is the year for Daniel” says Schoen of the offseason plan.
You can see his meddling, trying to convince Schoen to tag Saquon and then says “then we’d have to draft one high”. Schoen had to convince him, what a hassle.
that doesn’t want to micromanage, but does anyway. When Schoen told him Daniel makes a lot of money it sounded like that was Mara’s doing also. “Fork in the road” was an apt metaphor.
You can see his meddling, trying to convince Schoen to tag Saquon and then says “then we’d have to draft one high”. Schoen had to convince him, what a hassle.
Schoen handled it well
I knew that was gonna be the reaction to that scene, but I didn’t really think it rised to the level of meddling. I think that conversation happens in every GM office with every owner who has their favorite players.
What I found more interesting was McDonell’s concern about losing their offensive identity with Saquon. Clearly Schoen has a different vision for what NFL offense should look like/be constructed.
I found it concerning Schoen had to tell McDonell you don’t have “a $40 million a year guy hand off to a running back making $12 million”
Video. A lot of meat in there. Large portion of it was discussing Saquon, the free agent backs and how hiring Shane Bowen and incorporating his style of players into his defense fits. We do see the team look into FA early which was obviously the best decision and to let an older, oft injured player walk. Singletary isn't here to be a bellcow and I look forward to future episodes where they finally get to the draft, i.e. the Tyrone Tracy addition and how the run game becomes more about the committee.
The last nugget with Daniel Jones makes sense and what many viewed how it would unfold. 2024 was always a pivotal year for the Giants offense and Jones. He wasn't getting cut. A rookie coming in makes it about 2025. If he performs well, even, they can restructure and move money around. They can still look at future draft(s) and other pieces at the same time.
Joe Schoen to Tim McDonnell about letting Barkley walk, McDonnell was on screen a lot during the show but never identified until the very end and with no mention that he is one of the owners of the team. While he stewed and fidgeted in his seat like someone who has never been told no in life "We've got to upgrade the offensive line and you're paying the guy 40 million dollars. it's not to hand the ball off to a 12 million dollar back."
Video. A lot of meat in there. Large portion of it was discussing Saquon, the free agent backs and how hiring Shane Bowen and incorporating his style of players into his defense fits. We do see the team look into FA early which was obviously the best decision and to let an older, oft injured player walk. Singletary isn't here to be a bellcow and I look forward to future episodes where they finally get to the draft, i.e. the Tyrone Tracy addition and how the run game becomes more about the committee.
The last nugget with Daniel Jones makes sense and what many viewed how it would unfold. 2024 was always a pivotal year for the Giants offense and Jones. He wasn't getting cut. A rookie coming in makes it about 2025. If he performs well, even, they can restructure and move money around. They can still look at future draft(s) and other pieces at the same time.
My favorite moment was Daboll's comment about getting a DC who can figure out run defense.
Schoen with multiple comments about paying Jones $40M. "We aren't paying him $40M to hand it off to a $12M back."
I know the Giants had editorial control, but I get the sense that Jones is going to be asked to air it out. He'll either perform or he won't and they'll move on in 2025.
They didn’t get into the Wink stuff, not surprising. They didn’t get into the DC hiring process, which I suspect the team vetoed. We know they interviewed other people and is widely believed SB was not their top choice. Also, it’s clear Barkley is the big FA story line. Not surprising but frustrating that there’s no mention of McKinney. Maybe they’ll get to in future episodes. No mention of new Oline coach or other new coaches besides Bowen. Obviously only so much you can get into and maybe more for future episodes.
Schoen with multiple comments about paying Jones $40M. "We aren't paying him $40M to hand it off to a $12M back."
I know the Giants had editorial control, but I get the sense that Jones is going to be asked to air it out. He'll either perform or he won't and they'll move on in 2025.
That's been obvious for some time now. The OL moves are pass blockers, they drafted Nabers, they let Saquon go, they drafted a pass receiving TE.
Schoen is all in on Jones and not because of Mara. He’s looking for Hones to either justify the 40 million or not, but it seems pretty obvious Jones was always going to get this year.
It's really hard to make judgments on anything, but I do not think Schoen wanted to keep Barkley at all. He preferred to spend the money elsewhere and he thought he could get a good RB in the second wave. He was right.
And I'm not convinced that Bowen has plans for Simmons or Anderson or Basham just because their names were mentioned in clips.
Schoen is all in on Jones and not because of Mara. He’s looking for Hones to either justify the 40 million or not, but it seems pretty obvious Jones was always going to get this year.
I'm excited to see the draft talk because we will find out a lot. But maybe they will hide some information or rumors - who knows.
Maye could have very easily been a target or of heavy interest by either Schoen, Daboll or both. Drafting him signifies he's their future QB but not necessarily for 2024.
RE: Big takeaway is that NYG wasn’t serious about Drake Maye
Schoen is all in on Jones and not because of Mara. He’s looking for Hones to either justify the 40 million or not, but it seems pretty obvious Jones was always going to get this year.
We'll find out more next week. I think it confirms it was Maye or bust. But, they won't portray that in the episode.
The big takeaway to me: "We aren't paying the QB $40M to hand it off to a $12M RB." Jones will be asked to air it out this season.
that doesn’t want to micromanage, but does anyway. When Schoen told him Daniel makes a lot of money it sounded like that was Mara’s doing also. “Fork in the road” was an apt metaphor.
He's the owner. He writes the checks. The GM is accountable to him. Why shouldnt he have an ear on what is going on with the franchise he owns?
Anytime you want on Max. Although I plan to tune in at 9. First example of "appointment tv" in a long time for me.
If you're on the East Coast, probably at 9pm. I know that HotD episodes are available right when the show airs. And I think Bill Maher's show (which is live on the East Coast) is available within a few minutes of it going off the air.
Schoen handled it well
*ducks for cover*
One wonders what was edited out at the team's request.
You can see why it made sense to let him walk
Schoen handled it well
McDonnell pushed for Barkley too.
Sure. It shows you how they handle FA.
Sigh
Hahahaha, did he really? Never heard that before, but if true, that’s hysterical.
Quote:
was MIA for much of this... I assume because he detests this stuff and as he said publicly, he played copyrighted music so they couldn't tape him.
Hahahaha, did he really? Never heard that before, but if true, that’s hysterical.
Yes, he just said it at the Legends event.
I don’t see how we’ve protected ourselves much.
Quote:
was MIA for much of this... I assume because he detests this stuff and as he said publicly, he played copyrighted music so they couldn't tape him.
He said they did that at the legends night when he and Joe were talking he would play music on his phone
Hahahaha, did he really? Never heard that before, but if true, that’s hysterical.
Schoen handled it well
I knew that was gonna be the reaction to that scene, but I didn’t really think it rised to the level of meddling. I think that conversation happens in every GM office with every owner who has their favorite players.
What I found more interesting was McDonell’s concern about losing their offensive identity with Saquon. Clearly Schoen has a different vision for what NFL offense should look like/be constructed.
I found it concerning Schoen had to tell McDonell you don’t have “a $40 million a year guy hand off to a running back making $12 million”
Quote:
was MIA for much of this... I assume because he detests this stuff and as he said publicly, he played copyrighted music so they couldn't tape him.
Hahahaha, did he really? Never heard that before, but if true, that’s hysterical.
He said they did that at the legends night when he and Joe were talking he would play music on his phone
2) let your $40 QB sling it
3) if he can't stay healthy or can't perform he's out
Not a huge revelation but good to see it articulated.
You Can see why we are where we are sadly.
I don’t see how we’ve protected ourselves much.
Well, certainly wasn’t for lack of trying, was it?
2) let your $40 QB sling it
3) if he can't stay healthy or can't perform he's out
Not a huge revelation but good to see it articulated.
I thought the most revealing comment was from Schoen in the meeting with Bowen where he said they needed a #1 WR, a pass rusher, and a cornerback.
Something to keep in mind moving forward. They got two of the three.
Quote:
At QB and yet we’ve run it back while swapping out Taylor for Drew Lock.
I don’t see how we’ve protected ourselves much.
Well, certainly wasn’t for lack of trying, was it?
That’s certainly debatable.
The last nugget with Daniel Jones makes sense and what many viewed how it would unfold. 2024 was always a pivotal year for the Giants offense and Jones. He wasn't getting cut. A rookie coming in makes it about 2025. If he performs well, even, they can restructure and move money around. They can still look at future draft(s) and other pieces at the same time.
The last nugget with Daniel Jones makes sense and what many viewed how it would unfold. 2024 was always a pivotal year for the Giants offense and Jones. He wasn't getting cut. A rookie coming in makes it about 2025. If he performs well, even, they can restructure and move money around. They can still look at future draft(s) and other pieces at the same time.
My favorite moment was Daboll's comment about getting a DC who can figure out run defense.
Schoen was not happy with Barkley's camp from last year.
Singletary was high on their list
Very curious to see their, especially Mara, reaction of landing in Philly. Losing Barkley and finding another playmaker.
Seems like Schoen old friend and current Carolina GM exposed his hand early.
A stud DT to play along side Dex will be high on their list next year......and how is that not a competitive disadvantage?
Daboll is high on the DC.....we can only hope.
Those were sweet!
I know the Giants had editorial control, but I get the sense that Jones is going to be asked to air it out. He'll either perform or he won't and they'll move on in 2025.
He knows he's the paying the guy a lot of money, and wants to see if he can succeed.
The Giants weren't replacing Jones.
I know the Giants had editorial control, but I get the sense that Jones is going to be asked to air it out. He'll either perform or he won't and they'll move on in 2025.
That's been obvious for some time now. The OL moves are pass blockers, they drafted Nabers, they let Saquon go, they drafted a pass receiving TE.
Quote:
I thought the most revealing comment was from Schoen in the meeting with Bowen where he said they needed a #1 WR, a pass rusher, and a cornerback.
Something to keep in mind moving forward. They got two of the three.
Well, they did draft a CB in the third round...after using their 1st pick last year. I think they're doing all they can considering other needs...
Quote:
In comment 16547524 DavidinBMNY said:
Quote:
I thought the most revealing comment was from Schoen in the meeting with Bowen where he said they needed a #1 WR, a pass rusher, and a cornerback.
Something to keep in mind moving forward. They got two of the three.
Well, they did draft a CB in the third round...after using their 1st pick last year. I think they're doing all they can considering other needs...
Usually when a personnel guys says CB, he means outside CB, not nickel.
And I'm not convinced that Bowen has plans for Simmons or Anderson or Basham just because their names were mentioned in clips.
1. DJ was always the plan for 2024. QB trade up was likely considered, but doubt it was serious.
2. Fix the Oline in FA
3. Find an impact pass rusher
4. Let Saquon walk, sign a cheaper vet, and reallocate to OL/pass rush
5. Draft an offensive weapon at 6
I'm excited to see the draft talk because we will find out a lot. But maybe they will hide some information or rumors - who knows.
Maye could have very easily been a target or of heavy interest by either Schoen, Daboll or both. Drafting him signifies he's their future QB but not necessarily for 2024.
We'll find out more next week. I think it confirms it was Maye or bust. But, they won't portray that in the episode.
The big takeaway to me: "We aren't paying the QB $40M to hand it off to a $12M RB." Jones will be asked to air it out this season.
He's the owner. He writes the checks. The GM is accountable to him. Why shouldnt he have an ear on what is going on with the franchise he owns?