Asking about Barkley.
You Can see why we are where we are sadly.
makes perfectly good sense why they think this way. Barkley was the STAR player and the face of the franchise. The franchise is a business.. so now HOW to we pivot if that face is gone..
Imagine the Knicks if Jalen Bruson up and left in a year or two.
Thats how owners think..
Its funny but I can tell some of you guys dont work directly with the owner of a business on a day to day basis. In my job this goes on EVERY day.
RE: RE: RE: Schoen talks about “protecting themselves”
At QB and yet we’ve run it back while swapping out Taylor for Drew Lock.
I don’t see how we’ve protected ourselves much.
Well, certainly wasn’t for lack of trying, was it?
That’s certainly debatable.
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Two smartass reactions by part time fans who probably stopped watching when Jones went down.
Taylor clearly was not capable of being a starting QB for more than 1 or 2 games and was on the downside of his career. At least Lock is capable of starting for more than one half season and if his career is not still rising, it isn’t falling.
Abrams mara and McDonnell are just as dumb as we thought
Video. A lot of meat in there. Large portion of it was discussing Saquon, the free agent backs and how hiring Shane Bowen and incorporating his style of players into his defense fits. We do see the team look into FA early which was obviously the best decision and to let an older, oft injured player walk. Singletary isn't here to be a bellcow and I look forward to future episodes where they finally get to the draft, i.e. the Tyrone Tracy addition and how the run game becomes more about the committee.
The last nugget with Daniel Jones makes sense and what many viewed how it would unfold. 2024 was always a pivotal year for the Giants offense and Jones. He wasn't getting cut. A rookie coming in makes it about 2025. If he performs well, even, they can restructure and move money around. They can still look at future draft(s) and other pieces at the same time.
My favorite moment was Daboll's comment about getting a DC who can figure out run defense.
I found that one line, pretty intriguing, given Winks approach,
They didn’t get into the Wink stuff, not surprising. They didn’t get into the DC hiring process, which I suspect the team vetoed. We know they interviewed other people and is widely believed SB was not their top choice. Also, it’s clear Barkley is the big FA story line. Not surprising but frustrating that there’s no mention of McKinney. Maybe they’ll get to in future episodes. No mention of new Oline coach or other new coaches besides Bowen. Obviously only so much you can get into and maybe more for future episodes.
NFL Films didn't start filming till March. The few earlier clips were from Giants in-house media but weren't made for the show.
Video. A lot of meat in there. Large portion of it was discussing Saquon, the free agent backs and how hiring Shane Bowen and incorporating his style of players into his defense fits. We do see the team look into FA early which was obviously the best decision and to let an older, oft injured player walk. Singletary isn't here to be a bellcow and I look forward to future episodes where they finally get to the draft, i.e. the Tyrone Tracy addition and how the run game becomes more about the committee.
The last nugget with Daniel Jones makes sense and what many viewed how it would unfold. 2024 was always a pivotal year for the Giants offense and Jones. He wasn't getting cut. A rookie coming in makes it about 2025. If he performs well, even, they can restructure and move money around. They can still look at future draft(s) and other pieces at the same time.
My favorite moment was Daboll's comment about getting a DC who can figure out run defense.
I found that one line, pretty intriguing, given Winks approach,
Yup there was some angst in that comment from Daboll
Has no clue how major enterprises are run. There's not an owner in the NFL who wouldn't be making his feelings known at least as much as they showed -- and rightfully so. If an enterprise of similar size and complexity was public, the chief executive (eg Joe Schoen) would be going over every major decision with the board. They'd give their input - and he'd want it. And sometimes that input would be quite forceful. A skill of excellent leaders is managing up.
Video. A lot of meat in there. Large portion of it was discussing Saquon, the free agent backs and how hiring Shane Bowen and incorporating his style of players into his defense fits. We do see the team look into FA early which was obviously the best decision and to let an older, oft injured player walk. Singletary isn't here to be a bellcow and I look forward to future episodes where they finally get to the draft, i.e. the Tyrone Tracy addition and how the run game becomes more about the committee.
The last nugget with Daniel Jones makes sense and what many viewed how it would unfold. 2024 was always a pivotal year for the Giants offense and Jones. He wasn't getting cut. A rookie coming in makes it about 2025. If he performs well, even, they can restructure and move money around. They can still look at future draft(s) and other pieces at the same time.
My favorite moment was Daboll's comment about getting a DC who can figure out run defense.
Still noticing a striking lack of Ryan Cowden emphasis/involvement. And I was expecting him to step into the assistant GM role once Brandon Brown eventually gets hired away. Not so sure about that. Hoping it is not Tim McConnell.
If the Giants offense is awful and Saquon has a huge year in Philly, I could see Schoen being in some trouble.
I think Schoen commented that Barkley will be better behind an OL like they have in Detroit or Philly. Meaning, he’s worth more to them, while the Giants needed to allocate money away from RB to help fix the OL
Related note, but we’ve been “fixing” the OL for over a decade now. Fingers crossed Schoen gets it done, but they tried to last year and it was a debacle
footage, and if there was genuine interest in Maye, but this first episode re-confirms my belief all along that Schoen has always been very comfortable with Jones as his QB. And did I hear Schoen say they had a three-year plan with Jones...?
When he said that Mahomes couldn't win behind the Giants OL - I believe he may have been referencing the Miami game as an example - that probably made quite a number of posters feel good around here...
If Schoen actually considered the notion of signing and trading Barkley with the FT #2, I find it even more befuddling they didn't trade him at the deadline in 2023.
RE: Abrams mara and McDonnell are just as dumb as we thought
It’s astounding. Rossetti also did not impress me at all. Not even a little.
I thought Schoen and Hickey came across very well.
Rossetti did nail Philly as a team who would pay SB what he wants. Also, they clearly only showed him discussing the top players at specific positions. That guy makes his money finding and presenting value in the next tiers. He probably led hours of meetings reviewing options. We saw what, 5 minutes of it?
Favorite part of the episode. It was like... Shit, is that how these deals start off? I was a little bothered at first when the narrator talked about catching up with old friends at the Senior Bowl. I was thinking, "Giants are paying you to improve the team, not shoot the shit without your buddies." Apparently you can do both simultaneously.
Favorite part of the episode. It was like... Shit, is that how these deals start off? I was a little bothered at first when the narrator talked about catching up with old friends at the Senior Bowl. I was thinking, "Giants are paying you to improve the team, not shoot the shit without your buddies." Apparently you can do both simultaneously.
Correction: How about you give me 2 firsts for Brian Burns?
RE: RE: So much indecision. Mara reminds me of a boss
that doesn’t want to micromanage, but does anyway. When Schoen told him Daniel makes a lot of money it sounded like that was Mara’s doing also. “Fork in the road” was an apt metaphor.
He's the owner. He writes the checks. The GM is accountable to him. Why shouldnt he have an ear on what is going on with the franchise he owns?
I think the indication is that it seems that Schoen was pointing out Mara that the Mara was the one how pushed for the Jones contract. Schoen pointed out the same thing to McDonnell, basically "Hey, you guys want Jones at $40 million, this is what the result of that is..."
Usually when a personnel guys says CB, he means outside CB, not nickel.
Agreed. To be fair though, I think most scouts viewed Phillips as an outside guy. He lined up at nickel in the spring but I'm hoping he graduates from there...
Almost come across as, 'you wanted me to pay him, let's see him perform.'
That’s exactly how I read it too.
Schoen is systematically pulling apart the Mara idiocy.
1) Remove Barkley
2) Prove Jones can or can’t succeed. Past history says he won’t.
After 3 years Schoen will finally have his clean slate. What immense time lost. It’s sad Schoen has to play a game within a game to placate the nepotistic idiots who own the team, but not difficult to see who has kept us in this mess.
“What will our identity be if we lose Barkley”. JFC
Stuck in the 90s. Omg.
People seem very confused about this exchange. Unless you want sycophants nodding along with every one of Schoen's utterances, you need someone in the room willing to stand up and present the opposing argument.
Whether or not the fans find his point compelling couldn't be less relevant.
after 2022, but I've always thought it was obvious that both Schoen and Daboll were already as much aboard that train as anyone. From literally the first post-season press conference, they made it clear they wanted him back.
I gotta say, I came away from the first episode really
Weird quote from Mara in the segement about FA RB : “I wouldn’t commit to that, though” as Schoen finishes listing the plethora of FA RB’s who are available
They had to pay him and at the same time fix the lack of a pass rush; as it turned out, Carolina GAVE them Burns.
Disagree about Saquon, lal of them understood that they're not one "home run hitter" away from the Super Bowl. If they'd franchise tagged him, they would have had to give him money they didn't have and would have a resentful player in the locker room.
Seems like Schoen gets to call his shots, but Mara is certainly weighing in and telling him what he prefers. Mara says "I'd still like to have him back until we prove we can have a decent offense without him."
We didn't have anywhere close to a decent offense WITH him Mara. Get your head out of your ass.
footage, and if there was genuine interest in Maye, but this first episode re-confirms my belief all along that Schoen has always been very comfortable with Jones as his QB. And did I hear Schoen say they had a three-year plan with Jones...?
When he said that Mahomes couldn't win behind the Giants OL - I believe he may have been referencing the Miami game as an example - that probably made quite a number of posters feel good around here...
If Schoen actually considered the notion of signing and trading Barkley with the FT #2, I find it even more befuddling they didn't trade him at the deadline in 2023.
It was mixed messaging. There seemed genuine lines from Schoen about the reality of Jones not only being hurt, but being injury prone (history is the best way to predict the future).
But then there was the strong impression that they want him to have one more year because of the contract.
HOWEVER... we don't know what was edited out. Since they are "stuck" with Jones, they may not want to have released footage that said otherwise. And even if Jones was on the way out, they certainly wouldn't want to look low class (same with Wink, Saquon, Xavier, etc.).
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I thought it was clear they had a plan
Usually when a personnel guys says CB, he means outside CB, not nickel.
Agreed. To be fair though, I think most scouts viewed Phillips as an outside guy. He lined up at nickel in the spring but I'm hoping he graduates from there...
I'm pretty sure the opposite is true. He was viewed as a nickel, who could also play outside.
It’s the an acronym which looms above and behind all the players in their nyg meeting room. Trail? Mission accomplished, because that is all they have done for ten years…trailing the league in all categories….it’s got to be improved…… how about: “K.S.A.” (Kick Some Ass).
I doubt the cameras were even set up in the building when the Wink stuff went down, right after the season. Even if the team didn't have editorial control, the best you could hope for was hearing one side of the story.
1. Schoenge rover very clearly didnt want barkley back and is very clearly focused on positional value. i thought rossetti had a good argument he was pretty dismissive of but i guess we'll see how it goes. he didnt exactly execute his "wait until week 2 get someone cheap" plan either. eagles obviously play their cap games but barkley's cap # this year is 3.8m, singletary's is 3.75m. he talked a lot about 27 year old rbs and all the carries barkley had a PSU...then signed a smaller back who had more carries in college. really hope the PHI ol collapses w/ kelce and they didnt gift the eagles another playmaker.
2. feel like we got really lucky with his relationship w/ morgan re Burns. I was again agreeing with Rossetti when he guessed the trade price at a first+. still cant believe they got him for basically a 2nd rd pick. very cool to see how those conversations got sparked 2 months before the deal.
3. it's hard to get a read on the jones comments because they were contradictory. he is obviously correct when he says "they didnt pay him to hand the ball off" and "we committed to 2 years". contract very clearly articulated that. on flip side his comments about the past being the best predictor and the 3 injuries are just as valid. cant wait to see the draft discussions re qbs, and even any commentary on lock/devito.
4. daboll always comes off more likeable than schoen for me, we didnt see him much in this episode but his decision on bowen will end up being 1 of the handful of make or break decisions of the season. im guardedly optimistic bc it's a logical choice but a little worried about bowen flying solo without vrabel/schwartz. that whole unit literally riding on him.
5. agree with eric the mention of CB as a top need is interesting. not totally unexpected since they visited both tredavious white and darious williams. that is still a spot that may need a veteran, though it may be something they feel they can find after camp begins if players arent stepping up. Fabian Moureau was a week 2 vet. some decent ones still out there in FA. i hope they arent overrating their young guys but if they are at least mccloud/herndon/long/holmes/mills have a lot of game experience.
footage, and if there was genuine interest in Maye, but this first episode re-confirms my belief all along that Schoen has always been very comfortable with Jones as his QB. And did I hear Schoen say they had a three-year plan with Jones...?
When he said that Mahomes couldn't win behind the Giants OL - I believe he may have been referencing the Miami game as an example - that probably made quite a number of posters feel good around here...
If Schoen actually considered the notion of signing and trading Barkley with the FT #2, I find it even more befuddling they didn't trade him at the deadline in 2023.
I see it completely different. He's pissed off he's paying him $40M and he better deliver this year through airing it out. He referenced $40M multiple times almost in a tone that he was annoyed.
There was the exchange with Brown and McDonnell where Schoen talks about needing to address QB mainly given Jones' injuries. I'm sure Maye was the guy they targeted, but they'll edit that out I imagine. Next week focuses on QB.
The sense I got it Schoen is pissed off he's paying him $40M.
was always going to be the starter. If they traded up for Maye, he would have sat the majority of the year behind Jones. The footage from the first episode leads me to believe that.
“What will our identity be if we lose Barkley”. JFC
Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. One episode in and already can see we are fucked without Schoen’s team in the building. The Mara family appearances were underwhelming at best.
footage, and if there was genuine interest in Maye, but this first episode re-confirms my belief all along that Schoen has always been very comfortable with Jones as his QB. And did I hear Schoen say they had a three-year plan with Jones...?
When he said that Mahomes couldn't win behind the Giants OL - I believe he may have been referencing the Miami game as an example - that probably made quite a number of posters feel good around here...
If Schoen actually considered the notion of signing and trading Barkley with the FT #2, I find it even more befuddling they didn't trade him at the deadline in 2023.
I see it completely different. He's pissed off he's paying him $40M and he better deliver this year through airing it out. He referenced $40M multiple times almost in a tone that he was annoyed.
There was the exchange with Brown and McDonnell where Schoen talks about needing to address QB mainly given Jones' injuries. I'm sure Maye was the guy they targeted, but they'll edit that out I imagine. Next week focuses on QB.
The sense I got it Schoen is pissed off he's paying him $40M.
He’s got only himself to blame for that though.
I think it’s mix of both your opinions. Schoen is comfortable with Jones until he is able to find the QB he wants. That may mean Jones is the starting QB in the fall of 2025 as well.
Posted in the wrong thread - Mara & McDonnell are morons
I suppose it could be confirmation bias on my part about them, but neither one seemed to really grasp the economics of the Barkley situation.
Morgan’s friendship with Schoen is probably what lowered the draft cost for the Giants. I’d be a bit annoyed watching this series if I were a Panthers fan.
I don’t see how someone doesn’t hire Brandon Brown as a GM sometime soon - and I love how in sync he is with Schoen.
Also - anyone else yell at Schoen to have at least one hand on the wheel when eating & driving?
“What will our identity be if we lose Barkley”. JFC
Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. One episode in and already can see we are fucked without Schoen’s team in the building. The Mara family appearances were underwhelming at best.
100%. I cringed listening to the Mara family. They are clueless
After a really rough season I feel like my interest has been rekindled. Also, while I've been a really vocal critic of ownership nothing Mara was shown to do/say he didn't do anything another owner wouldn't have. The one that stuck out to me, like others, was McConnell bemoaning the loss of their offensive identity. You just trotted out the lowest scoring Giants offense since before my birth. Maybe a change of identity is warranted. Schoen certainly seems to think so.
Some stuff that hit me:
I knew Schoen's staff was young but man Rossetti and Brandon Brown look like kids. Maybe its just I'm getting old. The thing is the youngest one's in the room are the sharpest so there's that.
I knew everyone was gonna jump on McDonnell's comment and it was stupid. However the concept of it wasn't, but they were asking the wrong question. "identity" is a stupid buzzword. The correct, fair question would be in a league full of playmakers who else in our room is one? Saquon was our best one by far. Now I'm all in favor of how it shook out, it was time to part ways, and obviously we answered the playmaker thing at #6 but it would have been fair to ask at that moment.
On the flip side of the young thing the other big thing that struck me was how old and feeble John Mara looked in casual conversation. Its like talking to your 90 year old grandma about football.
Everyone is spot on reading the Jones situation. That episode made it clear that any concept of Lock coming in here and having a legit chance to win the starting job is utter nonsense. If healthy its clearly Jones.
It is amazing with how young Schoen is how much experience he has starting at the very bottom. It must be galling to someone like him when some former player retires and steps right into the front office.
Can't wait for the draft/free agency stuff. That's gonna be fun.
After a really rough season I feel like my interest has been rekindled. Also, while I've been a really vocal critic of ownership nothing Mara was shown to do/say he didn't do anything another owner wouldn't have. The one that stuck out to me, like others, was McConnell bemoaning the loss of their offensive identity. You just trotted out the lowest scoring Giants offense since before my birth. Maybe a change of identity is warranted. Schoen certainly seems to think so.
I thought it was really telling that when they were going over the FA RBs they kept bringing up how decisive some of those backs were. I think it was a small tell on how they felt Barkley wasn't being as decisive as they wanted. That was always one of the knocks on Barkley.
I would not be surprised to see them add a pass rushing IDL at cut downs or before the season
You Can see why we are where we are sadly.
makes perfectly good sense why they think this way. Barkley was the STAR player and the face of the franchise. The franchise is a business.. so now HOW to we pivot if that face is gone..
Imagine the Knicks if Jalen Bruson up and left in a year or two.
Thats how owners think..
Its funny but I can tell some of you guys dont work directly with the owner of a business on a day to day basis. In my job this goes on EVERY day.
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At QB and yet we’ve run it back while swapping out Taylor for Drew Lock.
I don’t see how we’ve protected ourselves much.
Well, certainly wasn’t for lack of trying, was it?
That’s certainly debatable.
Two smartass reactions by part time fans who probably stopped watching when Jones went down.
Taylor clearly was not capable of being a starting QB for more than 1 or 2 games and was on the downside of his career. At least Lock is capable of starting for more than one half season and if his career is not still rising, it isn’t falling.
I thought Schoen and Hickey came across very well.
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Video. A lot of meat in there. Large portion of it was discussing Saquon, the free agent backs and how hiring Shane Bowen and incorporating his style of players into his defense fits. We do see the team look into FA early which was obviously the best decision and to let an older, oft injured player walk. Singletary isn't here to be a bellcow and I look forward to future episodes where they finally get to the draft, i.e. the Tyrone Tracy addition and how the run game becomes more about the committee.
The last nugget with Daniel Jones makes sense and what many viewed how it would unfold. 2024 was always a pivotal year for the Giants offense and Jones. He wasn't getting cut. A rookie coming in makes it about 2025. If he performs well, even, they can restructure and move money around. They can still look at future draft(s) and other pieces at the same time.
My favorite moment was Daboll's comment about getting a DC who can figure out run defense.
NFL Films didn't start filming till March. The few earlier clips were from Giants in-house media but weren't made for the show.
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Video. A lot of meat in there. Large portion of it was discussing Saquon, the free agent backs and how hiring Shane Bowen and incorporating his style of players into his defense fits. We do see the team look into FA early which was obviously the best decision and to let an older, oft injured player walk. Singletary isn't here to be a bellcow and I look forward to future episodes where they finally get to the draft, i.e. the Tyrone Tracy addition and how the run game becomes more about the committee.
The last nugget with Daniel Jones makes sense and what many viewed how it would unfold. 2024 was always a pivotal year for the Giants offense and Jones. He wasn't getting cut. A rookie coming in makes it about 2025. If he performs well, even, they can restructure and move money around. They can still look at future draft(s) and other pieces at the same time.
My favorite moment was Daboll's comment about getting a DC who can figure out run defense.
I found that one line, pretty intriguing, given Winks approach,
Yup there was some angst in that comment from Daboll
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Video. A lot of meat in there. Large portion of it was discussing Saquon, the free agent backs and how hiring Shane Bowen and incorporating his style of players into his defense fits. We do see the team look into FA early which was obviously the best decision and to let an older, oft injured player walk. Singletary isn't here to be a bellcow and I look forward to future episodes where they finally get to the draft, i.e. the Tyrone Tracy addition and how the run game becomes more about the committee.
The last nugget with Daniel Jones makes sense and what many viewed how it would unfold. 2024 was always a pivotal year for the Giants offense and Jones. He wasn't getting cut. A rookie coming in makes it about 2025. If he performs well, even, they can restructure and move money around. They can still look at future draft(s) and other pieces at the same time.
My favorite moment was Daboll's comment about getting a DC who can figure out run defense.
Still noticing a striking lack of Ryan Cowden emphasis/involvement. And I was expecting him to step into the assistant GM role once Brandon Brown eventually gets hired away. Not so sure about that. Hoping it is not Tim McConnell.
I think Schoen commented that Barkley will be better behind an OL like they have in Detroit or Philly. Meaning, he’s worth more to them, while the Giants needed to allocate money away from RB to help fix the OL
Related note, but we’ve been “fixing” the OL for over a decade now. Fingers crossed Schoen gets it done, but they tried to last year and it was a debacle
Maybe not being the lowest scoring team in the NFL
You Can see why we are where we are sadly.
This exactly.
McDonnell particularly came across as the nepo-baby empty suit that he is.
When he said that Mahomes couldn't win behind the Giants OL - I believe he may have been referencing the Miami game as an example - that probably made quite a number of posters feel good around here...
If Schoen actually considered the notion of signing and trading Barkley with the FT #2, I find it even more befuddling they didn't trade him at the deadline in 2023.
I thought Schoen and Hickey came across very well.
Rossetti did nail Philly as a team who would pay SB what he wants. Also, they clearly only showed him discussing the top players at specific positions. That guy makes his money finding and presenting value in the next tiers. He probably led hours of meetings reviewing options. We saw what, 5 minutes of it?
Correction: How about you give me 2 firsts for Brian Burns?
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that doesn’t want to micromanage, but does anyway. When Schoen told him Daniel makes a lot of money it sounded like that was Mara’s doing also. “Fork in the road” was an apt metaphor.
He's the owner. He writes the checks. The GM is accountable to him. Why shouldnt he have an ear on what is going on with the franchise he owns?
I think the indication is that it seems that Schoen was pointing out Mara that the Mara was the one how pushed for the Jones contract. Schoen pointed out the same thing to McDonnell, basically "Hey, you guys want Jones at $40 million, this is what the result of that is..."
Stuck in the 90s. Omg.
Usually when a personnel guys says CB, he means outside CB, not nickel.
Agreed. To be fair though, I think most scouts viewed Phillips as an outside guy. He lined up at nickel in the spring but I'm hoping he graduates from there...
That’s exactly how I read it too.
Schoen is systematically pulling apart the Mara idiocy.
1) Remove Barkley
2) Prove Jones can or can’t succeed. Past history says he won’t.
After 3 years Schoen will finally have his clean slate. What immense time lost. It’s sad Schoen has to play a game within a game to placate the nepotistic idiots who own the team, but not difficult to see who has kept us in this mess.
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“What will our identity be if we lose Barkley”. JFC
Stuck in the 90s. Omg.
People seem very confused about this exchange. Unless you want sycophants nodding along with every one of Schoen's utterances, you need someone in the room willing to stand up and present the opposing argument.
Whether or not the fans find his point compelling couldn't be less relevant.
I'm hoping we get to see some draft behind-the-scenes stuff.
Weird quote from Mara in the segement about FA RB : “I wouldn’t commit to that, though” as Schoen finishes listing the plethora of FA RB’s who are available
They had to pay him and at the same time fix the lack of a pass rush; as it turned out, Carolina GAVE them Burns.
Disagree about Saquon, lal of them understood that they're not one "home run hitter" away from the Super Bowl. If they'd franchise tagged him, they would have had to give him money they didn't have and would have a resentful player in the locker room.
We didn't have anywhere close to a decent offense WITH him Mara. Get your head out of your ass.
When he said that Mahomes couldn't win behind the Giants OL - I believe he may have been referencing the Miami game as an example - that probably made quite a number of posters feel good around here...
If Schoen actually considered the notion of signing and trading Barkley with the FT #2, I find it even more befuddling they didn't trade him at the deadline in 2023.
It was mixed messaging. There seemed genuine lines from Schoen about the reality of Jones not only being hurt, but being injury prone (history is the best way to predict the future).
But then there was the strong impression that they want him to have one more year because of the contract.
HOWEVER... we don't know what was edited out. Since they are "stuck" with Jones, they may not want to have released footage that said otherwise. And even if Jones was on the way out, they certainly wouldn't want to look low class (same with Wink, Saquon, Xavier, etc.).
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Usually when a personnel guys says CB, he means outside CB, not nickel.
Agreed. To be fair though, I think most scouts viewed Phillips as an outside guy. He lined up at nickel in the spring but I'm hoping he graduates from there...
I'm pretty sure the opposite is true. He was viewed as a nickel, who could also play outside.
Was it an attempted coup on his part?
Was it an attempted coup on his part?
I doubt the cameras were even set up in the building when the Wink stuff went down, right after the season. Even if the team didn't have editorial control, the best you could hope for was hearing one side of the story.
2. feel like we got really lucky with his relationship w/ morgan re Burns. I was again agreeing with Rossetti when he guessed the trade price at a first+. still cant believe they got him for basically a 2nd rd pick. very cool to see how those conversations got sparked 2 months before the deal.
3. it's hard to get a read on the jones comments because they were contradictory. he is obviously correct when he says "they didnt pay him to hand the ball off" and "we committed to 2 years". contract very clearly articulated that. on flip side his comments about the past being the best predictor and the 3 injuries are just as valid. cant wait to see the draft discussions re qbs, and even any commentary on lock/devito.
4. daboll always comes off more likeable than schoen for me, we didnt see him much in this episode but his decision on bowen will end up being 1 of the handful of make or break decisions of the season. im guardedly optimistic bc it's a logical choice but a little worried about bowen flying solo without vrabel/schwartz. that whole unit literally riding on him.
5. agree with eric the mention of CB as a top need is interesting. not totally unexpected since they visited both tredavious white and darious williams. that is still a spot that may need a veteran, though it may be something they feel they can find after camp begins if players arent stepping up. Fabian Moureau was a week 2 vet. some decent ones still out there in FA. i hope they arent overrating their young guys but if they are at least mccloud/herndon/long/holmes/mills have a lot of game experience.
When he said that Mahomes couldn't win behind the Giants OL - I believe he may have been referencing the Miami game as an example - that probably made quite a number of posters feel good around here...
If Schoen actually considered the notion of signing and trading Barkley with the FT #2, I find it even more befuddling they didn't trade him at the deadline in 2023.
I see it completely different. He's pissed off he's paying him $40M and he better deliver this year through airing it out. He referenced $40M multiple times almost in a tone that he was annoyed.
There was the exchange with Brown and McDonnell where Schoen talks about needing to address QB mainly given Jones' injuries. I'm sure Maye was the guy they targeted, but they'll edit that out I imagine. Next week focuses on QB.
The sense I got it Schoen is pissed off he's paying him $40M.
My favorite moment was Daboll's comment about getting a DC who can figure out run defense.
That stood out to me too. Pretty clear which part of Wink's scheme Daboll was unimpressed with.
Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. One episode in and already can see we are fucked without Schoen’s team in the building. The Mara family appearances were underwhelming at best.
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footage, and if there was genuine interest in Maye, but this first episode re-confirms my belief all along that Schoen has always been very comfortable with Jones as his QB. And did I hear Schoen say they had a three-year plan with Jones...?
When he said that Mahomes couldn't win behind the Giants OL - I believe he may have been referencing the Miami game as an example - that probably made quite a number of posters feel good around here...
If Schoen actually considered the notion of signing and trading Barkley with the FT #2, I find it even more befuddling they didn't trade him at the deadline in 2023.
I see it completely different. He's pissed off he's paying him $40M and he better deliver this year through airing it out. He referenced $40M multiple times almost in a tone that he was annoyed.
There was the exchange with Brown and McDonnell where Schoen talks about needing to address QB mainly given Jones' injuries. I'm sure Maye was the guy they targeted, but they'll edit that out I imagine. Next week focuses on QB.
The sense I got it Schoen is pissed off he's paying him $40M.
He’s got only himself to blame for that though.
I think it’s mix of both your opinions. Schoen is comfortable with Jones until he is able to find the QB he wants. That may mean Jones is the starting QB in the fall of 2025 as well.
Morgan’s friendship with Schoen is probably what lowered the draft cost for the Giants. I’d be a bit annoyed watching this series if I were a Panthers fan.
I don’t see how someone doesn’t hire Brandon Brown as a GM sometime soon - and I love how in sync he is with Schoen.
Also - anyone else yell at Schoen to have at least one hand on the wheel when eating & driving?
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“What will our identity be if we lose Barkley”. JFC
Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. One episode in and already can see we are fucked without Schoen’s team in the building. The Mara family appearances were underwhelming at best.
100%. I cringed listening to the Mara family. They are clueless
I knew Schoen's staff was young but man Rossetti and Brandon Brown look like kids. Maybe its just I'm getting old. The thing is the youngest one's in the room are the sharpest so there's that.
I knew everyone was gonna jump on McDonnell's comment and it was stupid. However the concept of it wasn't, but they were asking the wrong question. "identity" is a stupid buzzword. The correct, fair question would be in a league full of playmakers who else in our room is one? Saquon was our best one by far. Now I'm all in favor of how it shook out, it was time to part ways, and obviously we answered the playmaker thing at #6 but it would have been fair to ask at that moment.
On the flip side of the young thing the other big thing that struck me was how old and feeble John Mara looked in casual conversation. Its like talking to your 90 year old grandma about football.
Everyone is spot on reading the Jones situation. That episode made it clear that any concept of Lock coming in here and having a legit chance to win the starting job is utter nonsense. If healthy its clearly Jones.
It is amazing with how young Schoen is how much experience he has starting at the very bottom. It must be galling to someone like him when some former player retires and steps right into the front office.
Can't wait for the draft/free agency stuff. That's gonna be fun.
We won't find that out.
They're all-in on DJ, after all.