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Anyway, these guys do a great job and I view Greg Cosell best in the business!
I agree with pretty much every they said....
Certainly, the Giants will succeed or fail on how the OL develops and how Jones responds.
I do not see the gloom and doom as many here.....I see more "unknowns"
The defense can be impressive. I suspect they will get better and better as the season goes. I know there are spots with concerns, but several young bodies with potential can turn a concern into a strength.
I love the WR and feel the TEs and RBs will go as the OL goes....
I agree with Cosell's view of Jones. Solid, mid-range...but needs a workable OL. He needs a clean pocket...
Unknowns, yes......but feel the talent is better than '22 which was good enough to make playoff.
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Cosell has some interesting comments.
Likes Ezeudo at LG and Eleumenor at RT.
Not high on JMS at C or Neal at RT.
Thinks Jones can be a decent middle-of-the road starter.
Likes the front 7 on D. 2nd CB is still an unanswered ?
I don't think Cosell would dispute that. But this was a preview for the upcoming season. Nobody should be talking about superbowls in that context.
He loves Malik Nabers. If MHJ was a 10 -- Nabers was a 9.98
- he said it's going to be interesting to see how the change of defensive philosophy and coaching effects the CB room. Cosell liked Darnay Holmes and wonders if the change in coaching scheme will bring out his talent. This goes for the rest of the CB room. Wink's Defense put a lot of pressure on the Cbs one on one matchups -- now it will be more of a zone system. Have to see how it goes to properly evaluate the CBs -- there is talent there.
- Thinks Burns is a "Big Time" player and will change the calculus of the front D Line. Doesn't think KT has shown elite talent - but thinks he's competent (we are also going into year three and a different system and coaching - so we have to see how that impacts the way these guys function). Used a Gettelman line -- but he said don't go to sleep on Jordan Phillips -- thinks Phillips is a very good player that could impact the front four. High on Okereke. Really likes McFadden. Enough talent on Defense to be a pretty good group. Spoke very highly of the Tyler Nubin and how he exhibited rare traits in College, that generally don't show up in college safeties.
- not high on our Center -- and not high on Evans who he rated highly in College coming out -- but thinks that the two guards we signed are "solid" additions.
- thinks the Giants Offense wants to be in 11 personnel based on the WR group. Really liked Nabors a lot -- true number 1, but that the two "Y" TE's they signed suggest otherwise -- be interesting to see how Dabs uses the TE group. Really likes the TE we drafted, and is "intrigued" with RB Tracey. Doesn't think Singletary is a bell cow but thinks he's solid.
- the question is - if the O line can keep the pocket cleaner, can Jones be a pocket passer. Showed a lot of accuracy passing in the Minnesota playoff game, and thinks that is something to watch. Doesn't think Jones is more than a mid level QB - but if you protect him and give him skill players - maybe that's a recipe that can make work. But the ifs are at RT and C. He likes Ezudu and thinks he can be a player -- but he thinks he's a guard.
- interested to see how Lock responds to Dabol - thinks he has mechanical issues with his feet -- but he has a very strong arm.
- it's a lot better roster than what they had in 2022
I feel as they do- NEAL IS A BUST, especially as a tackle- and we have to not consider him as the starter. And playing Ezeudu as a tackle is asinine because he should plat LG with Eluemunor playing RT. I can’t believe our new smart coaches don’t see this. I suppose there is pressure to force Neal to succeed because if he is a bust, this looks bad, but hey, no one is pref e so move on from your mistakes and press forward.
I think this was a very balanced evaluation that left it open for time and more data before you can draw conclusions.
I feel as they do- NEAL IS A BUST, especially as a tackle- and we have to not consider him as the starter. And playing Ezeudu as a tackle is asinine because he should plat LG with Eluemunor playing RT. I can’t believe our new smart coaches don’t see this. I suppose there is pressure to force Neal to succeed because if he is a bust, this looks bad, but hey, no one is pref e so move on from your mistakes and press forward.
I think this was a very balanced evaluation that left it open for time and more data before you can draw conclusions.
Where does he suggest paying Ezeudu at tackle...he saays Left Guard.
If he transforms into what we thought he was, it makes us so much stronger and keeps the OL group strong as a whole.
Right tackle doesn't need to be a HOF position....just do your job and do it well.
Not happy to hear Cosell
-only thinks of KT as confident and says only one or two of his sacks were not “ancillary”. He explains that I don’t only one or two occasions he beat his man and got the Sack as opposed to just getting a sack on an extended play.
- they all seem to agree that Neil is already a bust and that Jermaine E will be the starting right tackle
The offensive formation discussing was interesting. Pointed out how they will most likely be heavy 11 personnel. I see four WR's as well.
If they can't have significant success in the pass game they question whether the Giants will have the running game to compensate. I really agree with this and think it will be a big issue this season especially against the better D's.
Likes Ezeudo at LG and Eleumenor at RT.
I think the defense is absolutely going in the right direction and curious to see what sort of impact the change in scheme can have.
This teams is a functional Oline and a QB away from being respectable.
I am an old dog......
-- We have an elite LT.
-- We an excellent mix of receiving talent.
-- On paper, we have upgraded the OL.
-- We have two talented Edge defenders.
-- We have an elite DT.
-- We have an upper-level Mike.
-- We have what could be an elite corner.
-- And we have a QB entering that critical 6th year.
-- We have an elite LT.
-- We an excellent mix of receiving talent.
-- On paper, we have upgraded the OL.
-- We have two talented Edge defenders.
-- We have an elite DT.
-- We have an upper-level Mike.
-- We have what could be an elite corner.
-- And we have a QB entering that critical 6th year.
Not sure what you’re smoking , but it must be strong.
Not sure what you’re smoking , but it must be strong.
So, we shouldn't expect ten wins?
And "IF" (a big 12 years and counting IF) the OL can play decently...
Jones must stay healthy and perform at higher levels that many hear doubt is possible.
last years roster was better than that one too and they lost more games than that, which is always also a possibility.
the expectation should obviously be the former not the latter but to steal from cossell it is july so presently there is a lot that's unknown.
-- We have an elite LT.
-- We an excellent mix of receiving talent.
-- On paper, we have upgraded the OL.
-- We have two talented Edge defenders.
-- We have an elite DT.
-- We have an upper-level Mike.
-- We have what could be an elite corner.
-- And we have a QB entering that critical 6th year.
We upgrade the ol on paper every year, on the field not so much.
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Because:
-- We have an elite LT.
-- We an excellent mix of receiving talent.
-- On paper, we have upgraded the OL.
-- We have two talented Edge defenders.
-- We have an elite DT.
-- We have an upper-level Mike.
-- We have what could be an elite corner.
-- And we have a QB entering that critical 6th year.
We upgrade the ol on paper every year, on the field not so much.
I cede the point.
But let's assume Schoen got that part right. Should winning at least 10 games be the expectation?
They made a terrible choices last year. The worst one was when they decided to move Ezeudu to LT without ever having him practicing there and their 40M QB paid the price.
It seems like very few people, both media and fans who closely follow the Giants, think their 2024 plan to "fix" the OL is positioning their players correctly.
I'm not saying that anyone in the media or any fans are more qualified to position the Giants OL. I am saying they are not planning to use what seems like the most logical and efficient plan based on the players sample sizes.
It sounds like the 2024 plan is to double down on the choice of Ezeudu at swing tackle, play their best RT at LG, play the other free agent G they signed at RG even though he's said he's fine at RG but if given the choice he prefers LG and the big hill that their jobs with the Giants will probably live or die on, their two high OL draft picks who have not played well so at C and RT with limited depth behind them.
If the 2024 plan doesn't work they both might be looking for new jobs.
I assume Plan B will have Jermaine Eluemunor play RT.....and the Giants have more backup players that can play LG
You may have missed it but Cosell said Jones is a middle of the pack quarterback.
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Because:
-- We have an elite LT.
-- We an excellent mix of receiving talent.
-- On paper, we have upgraded the OL.
-- We have two talented Edge defenders.
-- We have an elite DT.
-- We have an upper-level Mike.
-- We have what could be an elite corner.
-- And we have a QB entering that critical 6th year.
We upgrade the ol on paper every year, on the field not so much.
I cede the point.
But let's assume Schoen got that part right. Should winning at least 10 games be the expectation?
If the QB and OT play do not improve, 10 wins is never going to happen.
Expect that.
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Middle of the road isn't good enough. I like Cosell but someone should ask him if Jones is a likely championship quarterback. Might get a different answer.
You may have missed it but Cosell said Jones is a middle of the pack quarterback.
I agree.
And so? There are only 3-4 elite NFL QBs.
Everyone else builds a strong roster with a fair share of difference makers and relies on good coaching, health, good fortune and the right timing to outweigh that advantage.
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Middle of the road isn't good enough. I like Cosell but someone should ask him if Jones is a likely championship quarterback. Might get a different answer.
You may have missed it but Cosell said Jones is a middle of the pack quarterback.
I agree.
And so? There are only 3-4 elite NFL QBs.
Everyone else builds a strong roster with a fair share of difference makers and relies on good coaching, health, good fortune and the right timing to outweigh that advantage.
Also, elite QB doesn’t always win.
Simms beat Montana enroute to Elway’s Broncos in SB.
Hostetler beat Montana before beating Jim Kelly.
Eli beat Brett Favre before taking down Brady in 07 season. In 11, it was Aaron Rogers (plus two former #1 overall draft picks in Matt Ryan and Alex Smith) and then Brady again.
That script works, and is somewhat self-fulfilling. Eli and the Giants were 12 point dogs the first time, and most thought Eli didn't even belong on the same field as Brady.
Next time the Giants were -2.5. Not a soul on earth would rank Eli a better QB, or even in the same tier -- but there was no doubt the Giants could win.
Sure he was. For one, like Jones - most fans wanted him gone after a few so-so seasons and one missed completely.
He broke out in year 6 - had a few terriffic seasons, and then a long stretch of ho-hum before going out with a bang.
We love him because he part of a legendary SB winning team, with some individual legendary moments and accomplishments. Also likable and tough as nails. But 2/3s of his career was middling.
-- We have an elite LT.
-- We an excellent mix of receiving talent.
-- On paper, we have upgraded the OL.
-- We have two talented Edge defenders.
-- We have an elite DT.
-- We have an upper-level Mike.
-- We have what could be an elite corner.
-- And we have a QB entering that critical 6th year.
+1
Giants should be good this year. If they aren't it's a bad sign for this regime. This is the team they were brought here to build. Expectations should be high.