I never can do these links well...hopefully, this works
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Anyway, these guys do a great job and I view Greg Cosell best in the business!
I agree with pretty much every they said....
Certainly, the Giants will succeed or fail on how the OL develops and how Jones responds.
I do not see the gloom and doom as many here.....I see more "unknowns"
The defense can be impressive. I suspect they will get better and better as the season goes. I know there are spots with concerns, but several young bodies with potential can turn a concern into a strength.
I love the WR and feel the TEs and RBs will go as the OL goes....
I agree with Cosell's view of Jones. Solid, mid-range...but needs a workable OL. He needs a clean pocket...
Unknowns, yes......but feel the talent is better than '22 which was good enough to make playoff.
Now, he played his best game in the Super Bowl.
16. I went to my first Giants game at Shea.
No doubt. I love the guy. And it was a different time - but his career completion % was 55.4 and TDs to INTs were 199 to 157
There are a bunch of unknowns connected with all the young talent.
If they develop, this team can become competitive in a hurry.
The issue I have with Cosell’s assessment is when he talks about Neal.
He doves deep j to other players, situations and schemes, but he takes Neal at face value. Never mentions he’s “only” played 20 games in 2 years, and was playing significantly hurt in half of those. And has already had 3 OL coaches ( Bricillo makes 4). Not exactly conducive to developing.
JMS on the other hand, I never liked the pick ESPECIALLY in the second rd. I agree completely with his take on this guy. Hopefully, with more stability next to him, he becomes adequate.
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Because:
-- We have an elite LT.
-- We an excellent mix of receiving talent.
-- On paper, we have upgraded the OL.
-- We have two talented Edge defenders.
-- We have an elite DT.
-- We have an upper-level Mike.
-- We have what could be an elite corner.
-- And we have a QB entering that critical 6th year.
We upgrade the ol on paper every year, on the field not so much.
I cede the point.
But let's assume Schoen got that part right. Should winning at least 10 games be the expectation?
Also assuming a bit of luck with injuries, 9 or 10, yes I think so.
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He had a good year and he was throwing to David Sills, Tanner Hudson. To think that the roster hasn't improved is silly. The 2022 line was still bad. 2023 was worse. If it's improved in 2024, Jones will be the updated Phil Simms. And Phil Simms was middle of the pack, too. But certainly good enough.
Jones had a decent year because he ran for 700 yards. His passing stats were more or less what they have been every other year. He is what he is: "middle of the road starter" as a ceiling is not exactly high praise.
It isn't high praise, but middle of the road is a premature judgment. Give him a line and weapons, and see what happens. I am very optimistic that the haters are going to have to eat up.
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GTFO
Sure he was. For one, like Jones - most fans wanted him gone after a few so-so seasons and one missed completely.
He broke out in year 6 - had a few terriffic seasons, and then a long stretch of ho-hum before going out with a bang.
We love him because he part of a legendary SB winning team, with some individual legendary moments and accomplishments. Also likable and tough as nails. But 2/3s of his career was middling.
Don't agree. Context means a lot. Two years he played a total of two games. SO in total he played 37 games before he broke out he threw for over 4,000 yards. The important point was that he was the #1 Offensive Player for his team his breakout year. He was 3rd in total passing throughout the NFL. The teams number 1 option.
Jones year he supposedly broke out after similar 37 games he was not #1. Its doubtful he will ever have the capability of leading his team unless he has a star player to lean on.Otherwise the team will probbaly suck.
If healthy though - he can win if everything is very strong around him.
Again, not saying DJ is Phil
SO what? A few games Lawrence Taylor might have sucked during his career. A few games Joe Montana mightg have sucked. A sfew games the Giants 1970's of the 70's might have played better than The Cowbos QB Roger Staubach etc.
The point was talking about leaiding a team through a season. Not to just just highlight a few games duing the seaosn. That's the point of bringing up 4.000 passing yards being 3rd best during that year which Simmms had done instead fo cherry-picking games for Jones.
Again, not saying DJ is Phil
And yet the OL was able to do pretty well for Barkley while also doing well enouhg running for Jones as well. And the point you made about "stretch of games" - I guess we can add praise to the Giants OL that seaosn too seeing how you are praising Jones?
the Giants' 2023 line ranked as PFF's dead-last, No. 32 pass-blocking unit (43.4) and the NFL's No. 30 run-blocking group (41.1). They allowed 85 sacks, the second most all-time by any team.
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And Simms definitely had a better OL in his best years
Again, not saying DJ is Phil
And yet the OL was able to do pretty well for Barkley while also doing well enouhg running for Jones as well. And the point you made about "stretch of games" - I guess we can add praise to the Giants OL that seaosn too seeing how you are praising Jones?
What are you trying to say? The Giants OL was good?
What can ya say? Older fans “romanticize” about QBs that have won Super Bowls and were the QB for some of the best teams in franchise history. Younger fans “romanticize” about QBs that won Wild Card games and were the QB for some of the worst teams in franchise history. To each their own I suppose