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NFT: ⚾Mets @ Pirates Series - Games 1-4 ⚾Gm 1- 6:40 pm EDT start⚾

Optimus-NY : 7/5/2024 4:24 pm
Here we go again with another series thread. The Mets continue their 8-game road trip, shifting to Pittsburgh today. The Mets split their previous series in Washington, D.C. (2-2) & are a game below .500 now at 42-43. The Bucs are also below .500 at 41-45. Both clubs are within striking distance of the final wildcard spot in the N.L. and are looking to bounce back from recent setbacks in this four-game set. Enjoy 😊!
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Mets @ Pirates: Game 1 –⚾Severino (R) vs. Skenes (R)⚾– 6:40 pm EDT


Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for tonight & tomorrow in the ‘Burgh against the Bucs.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-Tonight’s game will be on SNY and so will tomorrow’s game.
-The weather for tonight's game at PNC Park is expected to be good; however, thunderstorms & showers are expected before briefly the game and possibly shortly after the game. The timing of the game is perfect as of now window-wise, but things could easily change. Click HERE to keep updated and see the Hourly AccuWeather Reports from there.
-Tonight’s game is the last one in Edwin Diaz’s ten-game long suspension. The Mets have a record of 5-4 in the first nine games they’ve played during that time. They’re currently in 3rd place in the N.L. East, two games ahead of the 4th place Nationals (click HERE to see). The Mets are also 2.5 games behind the Cardinals for the 3rd & final Wildcard spot in the National League, with a game in hand on them (click HERE to see). The Pirates, at 41-45, are only 4 games out of that same final Wildcard spot, so this is a series between competitors for that final playoff spot.

-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions so far for the month of July.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster (25-man roster now due to the Edwin Díaz suspension).
-The Mets' 4-man bench for tonight’s game will consist of Torrens (R), Vientos (R), Taylor (R), & Gamel (L).
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Check out the Minor League thread for July below:  
Optimus-NY : 7/5/2024 4:25 pm : link
We'll be doing one each month for the rest of the season. It'll be easier to consolidate info this way and for everyone to be able to follow along any news and information centering around the big club's various affiliates.


NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (July) - DanMetroMan - 7/1/2024 10:17 am


*For reference purposes, here are the links for previous months as well:

NFT: Mets Minor League Thread (June) - DanMetroMan - 6/1/2024 10:45 am

NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm

NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am
Here are a couple of useful financial websites:  
Optimus-NY : 7/5/2024 4:27 pm : link
Cot's Baseball Contracts - A Clearinghouse for MLB Salary and Payroll details


RosterResource - Team Payroll - NEW YORK METS PLAYER PAYROLL
Great  
JayBinQueens : 7/5/2024 5:45 pm : link
Pitching catchup tonight. Should be a quick hame
Here are links to tonight's game:  
Optimus-NY : 7/5/2024 6:36 pm : link
*Courtesy of sportsurge.net*

Mets @ Pirates | 6:40 pm EDT start - July 5, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – SNY: Gary & Keith (strfish.xyz)

Mets @ Pirates | 6:40 pm EDT start - July 5, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Pirates' feed – SportsNet-PIT (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets @ Pirates – July 5, 2024 - 6:40 pm EDT start


Note: Ron isn’t calling the game tonight.


Enjoy tonight's game 😊
PNC Park looks BEAUTIFUL!  
Optimus-NY : 7/5/2024 6:38 pm : link
Have any of you guys ever been there?


Awesome park  
ripdumaine : 7/5/2024 6:42 pm : link
To watch a game. The park and view is top notch
RE: Awesome park  
Optimus-NY : 7/5/2024 6:43 pm : link
In comment 16548768 ripdumaine said:
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To watch a game. The park and view is top notch


I'd love to go there. Amazing view and the park sounds like a lot of fun. The Pirates used to be such an important franchise. It'd be nice for baseball if they were again. Skenes is a frikkin stud already.
SUPER catch by Nimmo  
Optimus-NY : 7/5/2024 7:27 pm : link
Props to him.
Reasonable to wonder if this team  
Rob in Rockaway : 7/5/2024 8:38 pm : link
peaked and is now in the process of plummeting back to earth.
im not really enjoying the diekman era  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2024 8:39 pm : link
mcneil hitting a homer on a 99mph skenes fb was not on my bingo card. i know sevy coughed the lead up but this freaking bp man.
I like what I saw from Torrens.  
BigBlueNH : 7/5/2024 9:25 pm : link
He should get a shot coming out of the pen before half these clowns.
RE: Awesome park  
sb from NYT Forum : 7/5/2024 9:26 pm : link
In comment 16548768 ripdumaine said:
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To watch a game. The park and view is top notch


Amazing that they could build a ballpark without obstructed view seats.
This team‘s inability to build even a mediocre bullpen  
CooperDash : 7/6/2024 9:43 am : link
is simply astonishing.
Orze  
GF1080 : 7/6/2024 10:46 am : link
Up. Adcock down. Not sure why we didn't just bring him up last week but he we are. Let's hope he can lock down some of these middle innings. Maybe Sulser and Walker should be up next. Wilkins Ramos in a month if he does well in AAA.
Orze  
GF1080 : 7/6/2024 11:43 am : link
Looking at his numbers actually not expecting here much either unless Hefner can unlock something.
So the Mets' bullpen is as follows now after these moves:  
Optimus-NY : 7/6/2024 12:20 pm : link
Righties (7):
1) Díaz
2) Garrett
3) Núñez
4) Ottavino
5) Orze
6) Houser
7) Buttó


Lefites (1):
8) Diekman
The starting rotation, as of now, is as follows:  
Optimus-NY : 7/6/2024 12:24 pm : link
1) Severino (RHP)
2) Scott (RHP)
3) Peterson (LHP)
4) Manaea (LHP)
5) Quintana (LHP)


It looks like the Mets will go to a 6-man rotation when Senga comes back in about a month based on some rumors I've read.
RE: So the Mets' bullpen is as follows now after these moves:  
Optimus-NY : 7/6/2024 12:26 pm : link
In comment 16548997 Optimus-NY said:
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Righties (7):
1) Díaz
2) Garrett
3) Núñez
4) Ottavino
5) Orze
6) Houser
7) Buttó


Lefites (1):
8) Diekman


Factor in Sean Reid-Foley into this equation somewhere after the All-Star Break too. Ottavino might be the odd man out when he's back. The only thing saving Diekman now is that he's the only lefty in the BP. The Mets need to do something about him ASAP.
Does anyone know exactly when SRF is coming back?  
Optimus-NY : 7/6/2024 12:29 pm : link
I was browsing the comments section in one of the recent MetsMerizedOnline.com articles and saw that the club is expecting SRF back after the ASB, but I don't know why. Was his injury that bad (right shoulder impingement)?
Mets @ Pirates: Game 2 –⚾Peterson (L) vs. Falter (L)⚾– 4:05 pm EDT  
Optimus-NY : 7/6/2024 12:36 pm : link

Starting Lineups for both clubs today.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for today & tomorrow in the ‘Burgh against the Bucs.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-Today’s game will be on SNY as will tomorrow’s game.
-The weather for today's game at PNC Park is expected to be excellent. Click HERE to keep updated and see the Hourly AccuWeather Reports from there.
-Edwin Diaz returns from his ten-game suspension today. Click HERE to read about it. The Mets went 5-5 during that time without him (while being a man down in the bullpen). They’ve lost three in a row & are currently in 3rd place in the N.L. East, two games ahead of the 4th place Nationals (click HERE to see). They’re also 3.5 games behind the Cardinals for the 3rd & final Wildcard spot in the National League, with a game in hand on them (click HERE to see). After yesterday’s loss (their third in a row) the Mets are only half a game ahead of the Pirates in the N.L. standings, making this series one between close competitors for that final playoff spot.

-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions for July.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for today’s game will consist of Alvarez (R), McNeil (L), Stewart (L), & Gamel (L).
Here are links to today's game:  
Optimus-NY : 7/6/2024 4:40 pm : link
*Courtesy of sportsurge.net*

Mets @ Pirates | 4:05 pm EDT start - July 6, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – SNY: Gary & Keith (strfish.xyz)

Mets @ Pirates | 4:05 pm EDT start - July 6, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Pirates' feed – SportsNet-PIT (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets @ Pirates – July 6, 2024 - 4:05 pm EDT start


Note: Ron isn’t calling the game today.


Enjoy today's game 😊
mets have missed some early opps but have bases loaded for alonso  
Eric on Li : 7/6/2024 4:55 pm : link
nobody out. good time to give pitt some of their own medicine.
pete has k'd on ball 4 twice now with men on  
Eric on Li : 7/6/2024 5:04 pm : link
not such a fun series so far.
What an acquisition Torrens has turned out to be!  
Optimus-NY : 7/6/2024 5:14 pm : link
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RE: What an acquisition Torrens has turned out to be!  
Eric on Li : 7/6/2024 5:16 pm : link
In comment 16549117 Optimus-NY said:
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very good. reasonably bold choice to keep him over nido too since nido is a good glove.
Really  
JayBinQueens : 7/6/2024 5:54 pm : link
Like Butto.

Assume he'll be in the rotation next year, right?
lindor maybe saves game with bases loaded catch  
Eric on Li : 7/6/2024 6:22 pm : link
through first half he has been gold glove level. he's been upper 90th percentile oaa all year (98th percentile heading into today) but recently he's made a lot of key plays when needed.
Yeah, I’ve seen about enough I need to see of Garrett to know  
CooperDash : 7/6/2024 6:24 pm : link
that he’s turning back into a pumpkin. He has never been a good RP and it’s clear now that he had a horseshoe up his rear for the first quarter of the season.

The dude can’t throw strikes. And that’s with two gifts from the ump that weren’t even close.
Nunez  
GF1080 : 7/6/2024 6:45 pm : link
Has been phenomenal!

Nice to have Diaz back  
CooperDash : 7/6/2024 6:52 pm : link
And yes, Nunez has been great too.
Welcome back Edwin Diaz!  
BigBlueNH : 7/6/2024 6:53 pm : link
Nunez gotta be the set-up guy moving forward.
needed that one  
Eric on Li : 7/6/2024 6:59 pm : link
1 game under with 8 games until the break.
just 2 more on the road then 6 at home vs WASH/COL.

gotta get over .500 and then not look back. getting close to Senga time too.
Put it in the books 🙂  
Optimus-NY : 7/6/2024 7:01 pm : link

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MLB.com - Gameday Wrap
RE: needed that one  
Optimus-NY : 7/6/2024 7:02 pm : link
In comment 16549167 Eric on Li said:
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1 game under with 8 games until the break.
just 2 more on the road then 6 at home vs WASH/COL.

gotta get over .500 and then not look back. getting close to Senga time too.


+1
RE: Really  
Optimus-NY : 7/6/2024 7:04 pm : link
In comment 16549138 JayBinQueens said:
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Like Butto.

Assume he'll be in the rotation next year, right?


He's a keeper. He's a starter, but the Mets are desperate now and need him as a longman in the pen. He should be in the rotation next season full-time, if not here, than in a trade with another club.
It's time to start another win streak now that we have our pen  
Ira : 7/6/2024 7:54 pm : link
straightened out.
RE: It's time to start another win streak now that we have our pen  
CooperDash : 7/6/2024 8:50 pm : link
In comment 16549188 Ira said:
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straightened out.


lol, Diaz returning does not “straighten out” our BP in the least bit.
RE: RE: It's time to start another win streak now that we have our pen  
Rob in Rockaway : 7/7/2024 10:49 am : link
In comment 16549203 CooperDash said:
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In comment 16549188 Ira said:


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straightened out.



lol, Diaz returning does not “straighten out” our BP in the least bit.


With Diaz the pen is a mess. Without him it's a dumpster fire.
ironically yesterday was diaz' highest spin game for his fastball lol  
Eric on Li : 7/7/2024 10:54 am : link
slider was pretty normal in his range though up a bit from his prior outing.



but hey, he passed the feel test!
Mets @ Pirates: Game 3 – ⚾Manaea (LHP) vs. Ortiz (RHP)⚾ – 1:35 pm EDT  
Optimus-NY : 7/7/2024 11:59 am : link

Starting Lineups for both clubs today.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for today & tomorrow in the ‘Burgh against the Bucs.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-Today’s game will be on SNY as will tomorrow’s game.
-The weather for today's game at PNC Park is expected to be excellent again, with mid-day real feel heat being more of a factor. Click HERE to keep updated and see the Hourly AccuWeather Reports from there.
-The Mets broke a three-game losing streak yesterday with their bullpen throwing 4 & 2/3 innings of scoreless ball, including Diaz closing it out with his 8th save of the season. They’re currently in 3rd place in the N.L. East, still two games ahead of the 4th place Nationals (click HERE to see). They’re also 2.5 games behind the Cardinals for the 3rd & final Wildcard spot in the National League, with a game in hand on them (click HERE to see). The Mets are a game & a half ahead of the Pirates in the N.L. standings in the race for that final playoff spot.

-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions for July.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for today’s game will consist of Torrens (R), Taylor (R), Bader (R), & Gamel (L).
RE: RE: RE: It's time to start another win streak now that we have our pen  
dannysection 313 : 7/7/2024 12:50 pm : link
In comment 16549289 Rob in Rockaway said:
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In comment 16549203 CooperDash said:


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In comment 16549188 Ira said:


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straightened out.



lol, Diaz returning does not “straighten out” our BP in the least bit.



With Diaz the pen is a mess. Without him it's a dumpster fire.


I wondered what the actual #'s are in terms of where the bull-pen stands compared to other teams?

Easy to say it's a mess, but I know I tend to react when things go badly, and hardly notice the good days...like yesterday when the BP put up 4 plus scoreless innings....

So, I just checked and the Mets are 16th in the majors (30 teams) for ERA (4.00), 17th in # of saves, 21st in WHIP...they are lower in # of walks 5th from the bottom, or highest amount.

So, the #'s suggest the Mets are a bit below average in terms of their bull pen.

I don't know how to pull up the rankings  
BigBlueNH : 7/7/2024 1:16 pm : link
but I suspect that over the last 30 games or so, our BP stats are right near the bottom of the league.
ok I want to get my thoughts out on the BP.  
Rory : 7/7/2024 1:21 pm : link
Earlier in the season the Mets had one of the top rated BP's. Lowest ERA and that was with Diaz having a temporary regression. Lopez, Garret & Raley were the anchors.

what has occurred since then is directly responsible for why the Bullpen is all of sudden "a mess"

Raley/Smith out for the season, Lopez/Tonkin DFA, SRF on rehab, Diaz struggles.

That leaves Diekman and Garret, who have been totally overexposed and overworked. I see people slamming the shit out of them daily, its not like they have suddenly forgot how to pitch.

Honestly, I really get sick of people always trying to find someone to blame, where there is not one person who should take the blame. There should be no blame, its just the cause and effect in baseball.

That said, Diaz looked good last night, bats are still hot. An for the record I'm not 100% sold still on if we should not sell at the deadline. Phillies are a powerhouse and the return for sellers will be franchise altering.

Rant over.
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Named Later : 7/7/2024 1:22 pm : link
TThat's good information danny. But that bullpen has had a revolving door since the start of the season. Some of the pitchers in that pen were not Major League arms.

I'd like to see a comparison of the number of different pitchers in each team's BP. I don't know if that stat is readily available....but it might provide some additional context.
Here are links to today's game:  
Optimus-NY : 7/7/2024 1:29 pm : link
*Courtesy of sportsurge.net*

Mets @ Pirates | 1:35 pm EDT start - July 7, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – SNY: Gary & Keith (strfish.xyz)

Mets @ Pirates | 1:35 pm EDT start - July 7, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Pirates' feed – SportsNet-PIT (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets @ Pirates – July 7, 2024 - 1:35 pm EDT start


Note: Ron isn’t calling the game today.


Enjoy today's game 😊
Mets made a a trade & moved Drew Smith to a different I.L. ...  
Optimus-NY : 7/7/2024 1:36 pm : link



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Did I just hear that right?  
Optimus-NY : 7/7/2024 1:45 pm : link
Did Gary just say that Manaea's ERA with Alvarez is 1.56 and his ERA with other catchers being 3.56? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
RE: ..  
dannysection 313 : 7/7/2024 1:48 pm : link
In comment 16549342 Named Later said:
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TThat's good information danny. But that bullpen has had a revolving door since the start of the season. Some of the pitchers in that pen were not Major League arms.

I'd like to see a comparison of the number of different pitchers in each team's BP. I don't know if that stat is readily available....but it might provide some additional context.


I just did a quick search for MLB bullpen rankings and the site I referred to didn't have the more sophisticated stats, including one I was hoping to find...blown saves.

The thought that the BP has gotten worse, especially after Raley, SRF and Smith (who gets killed here) were injured, is no doubt accurate.

But, I bet they are still middle of the pack overall....
Someone on the MMO board just said that Iglesias has turned McNeil  
Optimus-NY : 7/7/2024 1:51 pm : link
into a very expensive Joe McEwing, lol.
It's a shame lefty reliever Nate Lavender  
Optimus-NY : 7/7/2024 1:58 pm : link
He could've helped. Instead, he's injured and missing the year :-(
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