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Ron from Ninerland : 7/5/2024 6:23 pm


<opening rant>. Can we stop with the bullshit that Boone doesn't write the lineup card? Every whining fan of every losing team says that as a pretense to fire everybody. Boone has said repeatedly the the lineup is his responsibility. As did Girardi before him. As did Torre before that. Boone has even said he decides who gets called up and sent down. The Rules of MLB say that the field manager writes the line up card. Are they all lying ? What could Cashman do if Boone writes a lineup that disapproves of ? Fire him and eat his contract ? </rant>
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This is an utter embarrassment right now.  
Stu11 : 7/5/2024 8:27 pm : link
Volpe just cost them a run inexplicably stopping while he was running home. I have defended Boone for years. He needs to go at. This point. This is not your typical cold streak that's part of the usual perks and valleys of a 162 game season. The last 3 weeks have been a complete embarrassment. Now the players are walking around like they don't give a shit. When that happens the manager has lost the team and it's time to go.
RE: This is an utter embarrassment right now.  
Jim in Tampa : 7/5/2024 8:30 pm : link
In comment 16548800 Stu11 said:
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Volpe just cost them a run inexplicably stopping while he was running home. I have defended Boone for years. He needs to go at. This point. This is not your typical cold streak that's part of the usual perks and valleys of a 162 game season. The last 3 weeks have been a complete embarrassment. Now the players are walking around like they don't give a shit. When that happens the manager has lost the team and it's time to go.

Stupid play by both Volpe and DJ. But it has nothing to do with them "not giving a shit". They either weren't thinking or didn't know the rule.

And using that play as an example of why Boone should be fired is just dumb.
Jim if you follow what I write on these threads I never say fire Boone  
Stu11 : 7/5/2024 8:39 pm : link
Did you see the Grisham play yesterday? That Volpe play just now? Gleyber on a daily basis? I mean how much not giving a shit behavior do you have to see before the manager is held accountable? The team has embarrassed themselves for going on a month now. That's not on the manager?
DJL  
NJLCO : 7/5/2024 8:56 pm : link
Wow he’s really struggling and not sure if he’s fixable at this point. What a shame.
Finally score 3 runs and Cortes  
section125 : 7/5/2024 8:58 pm : link
immediately shits the bed.
RE: DJL  
section125 : 7/5/2024 8:58 pm : link
In comment 16548814 NJLCO said:
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Wow he’s really struggling and not sure if he’s fixable at this point. What a shame.


Cooked.
To the OP  
Mike from SI : 7/5/2024 9:02 pm : link
you can rant and rave as much as you want, but I know 3 different people who have worked and do work in baseball front offices (at least 6 different franchises), and the reality is that some front offices do indeed dictate who is playing and the starting lineups. And no manager is going to say that this is the truth publicly. I do not know what the Yankees do, although I admittedly have not asked (none of them are current or former Yankees people).
Given the Yankee results over the last few seasons,  
Red Dog : 7/5/2024 9:13 pm : link
the departure of Levine, Cashman, and Boone is LONG OVERDUE.

This team now has regressed to the point that they appear to no longer give a shit about playing winning baseball.
RE: RE: This is an utter embarrassment right now.  
k2tampa : 7/5/2024 9:18 pm : link
In comment 16548803 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 16548800 Stu11 said:


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Volpe just cost them a run inexplicably stopping while he was running home. I have defended Boone for years. He needs to go at. This point. This is not your typical cold streak that's part of the usual perks and valleys of a 162 game season. The last 3 weeks have been a complete embarrassment. Now the players are walking around like they don't give a shit. When that happens the manager has lost the team and it's time to go.


Stupid play by both Volpe and DJ. But it has nothing to do with them "not giving a shit". They either weren't thinking or didn't know the rule.

And using that play as an example of why Boone should be fired is just dumb.


And DJ jogged to first on the botched double play. When you're playing like crap the least you can do is hustle.
Nestor with a excellent  
section125 : 7/5/2024 9:18 pm : link
6th inning. Two bad pitches in the game I can think of to the same guy.

Yanks still not hitting.
70 feet of open right side  
section125 : 7/5/2024 9:23 pm : link
and Volpe couldn't punch the ball through that hole. He is lost. No plan at the plate.
Yanks generated their three runs in the fourth inning without  
shyster : 7/5/2024 9:31 pm : link
getting the ball out of the infield (three walks, infield single, error). The Bombers.

Torres re-injured his groin out-legging the infield hit and left the game.

Sometimes when a manager says a player is protecting an injury, it's the truth.
Imagine if the Yanks  
k2tampa : 7/5/2024 9:51 pm : link
Had taken Gunnar Henderson at 38 in 2019 when they picked T.J. Sikkima four picks before him (or, heaven forbid, even instead of the hometown hero SS at the end of the first round.)
We all heard the story of Boone getting the job because his proposed  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/5/2024 9:52 pm : link
lineup matched the front office’s. He was brought in to run a daycare and smooth talk the media.

Hal isn’t capable of making the executive decision because he hasn’t accomplished anything on his own his whole life. Moving on from Cashman would mean he’d be responsible for the franchise.

What else?

Their revenue exceeds 700M and their valuation is at 7B. It’s pathetic for Hal to cry about a 300M payroll. If penny pinching matters that much to him, hold Cashman accountable then.
Great job by Weaver  
shyster : 7/5/2024 9:54 pm : link
*
Holmes chokes it away.  
bceagle05 : 7/5/2024 10:10 pm : link
Unreal. Tie game.
RE: Holmes chokes it away.  
Mad Mike : 7/5/2024 10:11 pm : link
In comment 16548835 bceagle05 said:
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Unreal.

That is literally the word that came to mind for me too. (Sadly though, with Holmes it's far too real).
F-ing Clay Holmes  
Beer Man : 7/5/2024 10:12 pm : link
The man is not a closer
You can't make this shit up  
Stu11 : 7/5/2024 10:13 pm : link
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Holmes blows  
The_Boss : 7/5/2024 10:13 pm : link
Can’t be trusted like ever…
Volpe & DJ  
NJLCO : 7/5/2024 10:14 pm : link
Play hurts
DJ hitting a cool .177 and heading down.  
bceagle05 : 7/5/2024 10:16 pm : link
.
Sox will win in extras  
The_Boss : 7/5/2024 10:17 pm : link
Cause that’s how things are going lately…
Awesome bottom of the ninth there.  
bceagle05 : 7/5/2024 10:17 pm : link
Blink and ya miss it.
Clay Holmes is a fucking loser.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/5/2024 10:17 pm : link
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LOL Red Sox have owned us for 20 fuckin years.  
bceagle05 : 7/5/2024 10:20 pm : link
.
Kahnle is another guy who is a bum  
The_Boss : 7/5/2024 10:20 pm : link
Never liked this dude
Fire Boone!  
Bramton1 : 7/5/2024 10:23 pm : link
Team started hot last year and then fell apart, and it's happening again. The guy has no f***ing clue how to get his team's composure back under control.
The Red Sox  
k2tampa : 7/5/2024 10:25 pm : link
Are about to be 4.5 games behind the Yankees - and getting better. Twenty-one days ago they were 14 games behind the Yankees.
I Really Miss  
NJLCO : 7/5/2024 10:30 pm : link
The Boss….the shit would be hitting the fan by now.
Boone's teams have never done the little things well  
LW_Giants : 7/5/2024 10:32 pm : link
they don't hustle, they don't consistently work the count (with the exception of Judge/Soto), they don't run the bases cleanly, etc.

This team needs a change, and if there's any chance of salvaging the season it has to be soon than later.
RE: I Really Miss  
bceagle05 : 7/5/2024 10:36 pm : link
In comment 16548852 NJLCO said:
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The Boss….the shit would be hitting the fan by now.

I’m not as reactionary as others but I’m at the point where something needs to be done here. Team is a joke right now. Even Girardi and O’Neill sound fed up.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.  
Red Dog : 7/5/2024 10:39 pm : link
The problem is organizational. And it is deeply imbedded.

The solution starts with firing Levine, Cashman, and Boone.

Then clean house with the coaches and players.

This season is done now, so they might as well get started tomorrow. But they won't.
RE: I Really Miss  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/5/2024 10:39 pm : link
In comment 16548852 NJLCO said:
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The Boss….the shit would be hitting the fan by now.


You're not allowed to miss those days because someone will bring up all the bad stuff. Like, who the fuck cares. At least they fucking WON in those days. From Hal, to Levine, to Cashman, to Boone, these guys are all imbeciles, to put it kindly.
Hey guys.  
Giants86 : 7/5/2024 10:41 pm : link
I’m one of those rare Giants /sox/knicks fans.
Yankees fans I think Boone needs to go. This Red Sox isn’t any good either.
Outside of Soto and Judge who scares you on either team?.
This rivalry is nowhere near what it used to be.
I don't think anything is going to change in terms of  
LW_Giants : 7/5/2024 10:42 pm : link
organizational structure unless/until Steinbrenner sells the team. And, frankly, it's time.
So the Sox closer has his first 2 pitches ripped by Soto  
The_Boss : 7/5/2024 10:42 pm : link
His next 2 are weak first pitch pop ups by Judge and Verdugo. Thats awful. 1st and third nobody out, then gets 3 outs in like 8 pitches. Brutal baseball.
There  
Professor Falken : 7/5/2024 10:42 pm : link
are never consequences for dogging it. Grisham the other day, DJ and Volpe today.
RE: There  
Mike from SI : 7/5/2024 10:44 pm : link
In comment 16548862 Professor Falken said:
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are never consequences for dogging it. Grisham the other day, DJ and Volpe today.


Yeah, I'm pretty disillusioned at this point. It may be time to shake something up, whether it's the players, the coaches, the manager, something.
RE: RE: There  
Bramton1 : 7/5/2024 10:50 pm : link
In comment 16548863 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 16548862 Professor Falken said:


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are never consequences for dogging it. Grisham the other day, DJ and Volpe today.



Yeah, I'm pretty disillusioned at this point. It may be time to shake something up, whether it's the players, the coaches, the manager, something.


It is time. But they won't. There is no accountability on this team.
RE: I've said it before and I'll say it again.  
k2tampa : 7/5/2024 11:01 pm : link
In comment 16548856 Red Dog said:
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The problem is organizational. And it is deeply imbedded.

The solution starts with firing Levine, Cashman, and Boone.

Then clean house with the coaches and players.

This season is done now, so they might as well get started tomorrow. But they won't.


There's never been any accountability under Boone. How many huge mistakes has Torres made by being lackadaisical or nonchalant or just plain dumb on the bases. Has he ever been benched even once for any of that?
You have a DH in Stanton who can't do more than jog on the bases, and even then he has leg injuries every year.
The 'experts' keep talking about all the great RP bargains they find on the cheap. But how many have worked out for more than one year?
And Cashman's draft and trade history speaks for itself. And his boast to the media over the winter about how successful they are at player development was laughable. It's amazing no one in the NY media called him out on that. I have no idea why they give him the kid glove treatment.
RE: RE: I've said it before and I'll say it again.  
Mike from SI : 7/5/2024 11:02 pm : link
In comment 16548868 k2tampa said:
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In comment 16548856 Red Dog said:


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The problem is organizational. And it is deeply imbedded.

The solution starts with firing Levine, Cashman, and Boone.

Then clean house with the coaches and players.

This season is done now, so they might as well get started tomorrow. But they won't.



There's never been any accountability under Boone. How many huge mistakes has Torres made by being lackadaisical or nonchalant or just plain dumb on the bases. Has he ever been benched even once for any of that?
You have a DH in Stanton who can't do more than jog on the bases, and even then he has leg injuries every year.
The 'experts' keep talking about all the great RP bargains they find on the cheap. But how many have worked out for more than one year?
And Cashman's draft and trade history speaks for itself. And his boast to the media over the winter about how successful they are at player development was laughable. It's amazing no one in the NY media called him out on that. I have no idea why they give him the kid glove treatment.


I think a lot of it is about access. These days there are so many different outlets that I think reporters are afraid to burn their access. It sucks.
How Can The 300 Million Dollar Yankees  
NJLCO : 7/5/2024 11:08 pm : link
Not have a closer? How….not one shut down bullpen guy.
RE: To the OP  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/5/2024 11:25 pm : link
In comment 16548817 Mike from SI said:
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you can rant and rave as much as you want, but I know 3 different people who have worked and do work in baseball front offices (at least 6 different franchises), and the reality is that some front offices do indeed dictate who is playing and the starting lineups. And no manager is going to say that this is the truth publicly. I do not know what the Yankees do, although I admittedly have not asked (none of them are current or former Yankees people).
unless you care to name names, it doesn’t impress me that the mother’s brother’s cousin of the men’s room attendant that you happen to know tells us something that every GM and manager that’s been asked about denies. In the case of the Yankees it’s probable they all discuss the lineup. I wouldn’t be surprised if Boone called upstairs and said “I think we have to move Volpe out of the leadoff spot”. But the thought the the GM emails a lineup card to the field manager is ridiculous. The thought that the GM decides “today we’re going to DH Judge and bat Grisham 5th “ is insane. It’s just like every other conspiracy theory. It doesn’t make sense and everybody on record denies it, but some schlub with a few beers in him bumps into you and says he knows the truth
I said  
mitch300 : 7/5/2024 11:32 pm : link
This last year and I will say it again. The only way this changes is when fans stop showing up. Fans bitch about it and then spend hundreds on tickets and a shit load on concessions. It is okay to bring food into the ballpark. It is a business for the Steinbrenners. For some Owners it a toy.
RE: RE: To the OP  
Mike from SI : 7/5/2024 11:33 pm : link
In comment 16548872 Ron from Ninerland said:
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In comment 16548817 Mike from SI said:


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you can rant and rave as much as you want, but I know 3 different people who have worked and do work in baseball front offices (at least 6 different franchises), and the reality is that some front offices do indeed dictate who is playing and the starting lineups. And no manager is going to say that this is the truth publicly. I do not know what the Yankees do, although I admittedly have not asked (none of them are current or former Yankees people).

unless you care to name names, it doesn’t impress me that the mother’s brother’s cousin of the men’s room attendant that you happen to know tells us something that every GM and manager that’s been asked about denies. In the case of the Yankees it’s probable they all discuss the lineup. I wouldn’t be surprised if Boone called upstairs and said “I think we have to move Volpe out of the leadoff spot”. But the thought the the GM emails a lineup card to the field manager is ridiculous. The thought that the GM decides “today we’re going to DH Judge and bat Grisham 5th “ is insane. It’s just like every other conspiracy theory. It doesn’t make sense and everybody on record denies it, but some schlub with a few beers in him bumps into you and says he knows the truth


Lol I'm not divulging names on an internet message board, and one is my best friend from high school. 2 of these 3 people have very senior positions. If you think I'm making this up for the hell of it, that's fine, I don't care.

You act like people in baseball tell the truth about everything. Just like sticky stuff, and steroids, and signal stealing from center field, and everything else that people publicly denied forever.

In any event, I'm pretty sick of Boone myself, I don't really care if they can him.
RE: RE: RE: To the OP  
Mike from SI : 7/5/2024 11:36 pm : link
In comment 16548874 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 16548872 Ron from Ninerland said:


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In comment 16548817 Mike from SI said:


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you can rant and rave as much as you want, but I know 3 different people who have worked and do work in baseball front offices (at least 6 different franchises), and the reality is that some front offices do indeed dictate who is playing and the starting lineups. And no manager is going to say that this is the truth publicly. I do not know what the Yankees do, although I admittedly have not asked (none of them are current or former Yankees people).

unless you care to name names, it doesn’t impress me that the mother’s brother’s cousin of the men’s room attendant that you happen to know tells us something that every GM and manager that’s been asked about denies. In the case of the Yankees it’s probable they all discuss the lineup. I wouldn’t be surprised if Boone called upstairs and said “I think we have to move Volpe out of the leadoff spot”. But the thought the the GM emails a lineup card to the field manager is ridiculous. The thought that the GM decides “today we’re going to DH Judge and bat Grisham 5th “ is insane. It’s just like every other conspiracy theory. It doesn’t make sense and everybody on record denies it, but some schlub with a few beers in him bumps into you and says he knows the truth



Lol I'm not divulging names on an internet message board, and one is my best friend from high school. 2 of these 3 people have very senior positions. If you think I'm making this up for the hell of it, that's fine, I don't care.

You act like people in baseball tell the truth about everything. Just like sticky stuff, and steroids, and signal stealing from center field, and everything else that people publicly denied forever.

In any event, I'm pretty sick of Boone myself, I don't really care if they can him.


And to be even clearer, I do not know either way whether there is a front office that literally sets the lineup card top to bottom, as in your hypothetical. But some of them are heavily involved in the lineup construction every single day. So you may be right that no front office sets exact lineup cards. But at least some of them have enormous influence. (And some care less.) There are also certain meddling owners that get upset about minor shit to a degree I find funny, but I've told the anecdote once before and didn't/won't give precise details.
RE: RE: RE: I've said it before and I'll say it again.  
k2tampa : 7/5/2024 11:44 pm : link
In comment 16548869 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 16548868 k2tampa said:


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In comment 16548856 Red Dog said:


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The problem is organizational. And it is deeply imbedded.

The solution starts with firing Levine, Cashman, and Boone.

Then clean house with the coaches and players.

This season is done now, so they might as well get started tomorrow. But they won't.



There's never been any accountability under Boone. How many huge mistakes has Torres made by being lackadaisical or nonchalant or just plain dumb on the bases. Has he ever been benched even once for any of that?
You have a DH in Stanton who can't do more than jog on the bases, and even then he has leg injuries every year.
The 'experts' keep talking about all the great RP bargains they find on the cheap. But how many have worked out for more than one year?
And Cashman's draft and trade history speaks for itself. And his boast to the media over the winter about how successful they are at player development was laughable. It's amazing no one in the NY media called him out on that. I have no idea why they give him the kid glove treatment.



I think a lot of it is about access. These days there are so many different outlets that I think reporters are afraid to burn their access. It sucks.


That's not it. They've had no problem ripping every other NY franchise's leadership at times over the last 20 years. Never Cashman, despite the Yankees' one title in 23 years, the team's worst stretch since before Ruth.
The problem is the situational hitting and just basic game awareness  
PetesHereNow : 7/5/2024 11:46 pm : link
They still suck with RISP. Even the three runs they scored came on the back of Boston miscues with an error by the second baseman.

How about the tying homer? As a closer, you can't miss in that area in Yankee Stadium. If you're gonna miss, miss on the outer half. Walk him, make him go the other way, go after the next guy then. You can't leave a pitch in that spot to the tying run.

It's disheartening because we've got two months until the Giants start and it doesn't seem like the Yankees are gonna bring us much joy.
I wasn’t going to complain  
illmatic : 7/5/2024 11:46 pm : link
during this losing streak. I was just going to wait for them to turn it around and get going again. But after this game? Fuck this team. It’s the same shit every year. They look lifeless, make stupid mistakes, Boone doesn’t hold players accountable and they can never hit worth a shit. Yeah, the bullpen blew it but you have to score more than 3 runs a game. I know teams aren’t actively making moves yet but Cashman needs to make some trades as soon as teams are open to it. This team needs some kind of injection of life or boost somehow.
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