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NFT: ⚾️ YANKEE THREAD⚾️: Boston Game 1. 7/5

Ron from Ninerland : 7/5/2024 6:23 pm


<opening rant>. Can we stop with the bullshit that Boone doesn't write the lineup card? Every whining fan of every losing team says that as a pretense to fire everybody. Boone has said repeatedly the the lineup is his responsibility. As did Girardi before him. As did Torre before that. Boone has even said he decides who gets called up and sent down. The Rules of MLB say that the field manager writes the line up card. Are they all lying ? What could Cashman do if Boone writes a lineup that disapproves of ? Fire him and eat his contract ? </rant>
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Painful watching DJL  
xman : 7/6/2024 1:48 am : link
Seems like Torres doesnt play well under pressure.

Holmes is a weak closer. Imagine him in a playoff game. Yikes

Too much pressure on Rice batting leadoff

Wells has potential. Yanks also have quite a few talented catchers in the minors

Stanton and the Martian in the lineup would help
RE: Painful watching DJL  
shyster : 7/6/2024 2:11 am : link
In comment 16548885 xman said:
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Seems like Torres doesnt play well under pressure.



No idea what this is about. Torres got the only hit in the inning the Yanks were gifted their three runs. Re-injured his groin in the process and had to leave the game.
Remember  
Costy16 : 7/6/2024 7:02 am : link
Cashman got rid of Girardi for being too hard on players (Gary Sanchez, who deserved it) and used the whole “can’t relate to today’s players” canard.

Now we have guys who are showing no effort and playing dumb baseball and they get a free pass. This is what Cashman wanted. Him and Boone should be fired if they get swept this weekend. But Hall doesn’t have the balls.
RE: There  
56goat : 7/6/2024 7:08 am : link
In comment 16548862 Professor Falken said:
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are never consequences for dogging it. Grisham the other day, DJ and Volpe today.


Boone should have walked out and pulled Grisham, like Billy did to Reggie in 77. At some point there has to be consequences for dogging it, not running hard to 1st base or after balls in the field. Its a HR Derby with this team, when was the last time you saw anybody play small ball, move a runner over, go the other way to drive in a run, etc. Its HR Derby every at bat.
fire  
SoZKillA : 7/6/2024 7:21 am : link
Boone.

I'm not sure what the answer is  
HBart : 7/6/2024 7:27 am : link
But if it doesn't come, Boone will be gone. This is a legendary collapse. Unsurvvivble.
They are unwatchable  
section125 : 7/6/2024 7:30 am : link
right now.

Holmes actually should have had strike 3 on Yoshida on the 2-2(?) count. Looked like what was called ball 3 was in the box knee high on the corner. Doesn't excuse giving up two hits/runs to two pinch hitters.

Kahnle is cooked too. Has he had a meaningful inning, yet?
RE: Hey guys.  
Bob from Massachusetts : 7/6/2024 7:56 am : link
In comment 16548859 Giants86 said:
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I’m one of those rare Giants /sox/knicks fans.
Yankees fans I think Boone needs to go. This Red Sox isn’t any good either.
Outside of Soto and Judge who scares you on either team?.
This rivalry is nowhere near what it used to be.


Hey, so am I! We got 2 interesting teams now with the Sox and Knicks, so we just need the giants to get that way! Boy them Knicks are fun again after a long stretch, the Sox have a lot of young guys that are a lot of fun (Rafaela, Duran, Casas when he’s healthy, Wong, etc) although we’ll see if the pitching holds up. I think the giants have some good pieces and it would be fun to see it come together, which I think could happen if OL can be even ok. I like to think the giants will turn it around. It sure took a long time for the Knicks, so I’m in “believe it and it will happen “ mode.
RE: How Can The 300 Million Dollar Yankees  
gridirony : 7/6/2024 8:32 am : link
In comment 16548870 NJLCO said:
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Not have a closer? How….not one shut down bullpen guy.
Because the trading deadline is July 30th? Why trade now, when a few weeks from now, we'll see what closers are rising and which ones are falling. And there is the rare chance that a player traded for earlier, could have a season ending injury right after the trade. It's best to wait as long as possible, still getting your man, to avoid such problems.

The Yankees do appear to have a few superstars (very strong links), and many weaknesses (weak links) in their chain.

But as for overall play and winning, they are likely just regressing to the mean. They were on pace for 113 to 114 wins, which is basically unrealistic over the course of an entire season. So their play is sloppy and uninspiring now. In NO WAY does it currently eliminate them from a World Series championship. I'd only think about worrying in September, if there is poor play then.
RE: RE: How Can The 300 Million Dollar Yankees  
HBart : 7/6/2024 9:01 am : link
In comment 16548908 gridirony said:
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In comment 16548870 NJLCO said:


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Not have a closer? How….not one shut down bullpen guy.

Because the trading deadline is July 30th? Why trade now, when a few weeks from now, we'll see what closers are rising and which ones are falling. And there is the rare chance that a player traded for earlier, could have a season ending injury right after the trade. It's best to wait as long as possible, still getting your man, to avoid such problems.

The Yankees do appear to have a few superstars (very strong links), and many weaknesses (weak links) in their chain.

But as for overall play and winning, they are likely just regressing to the mean. They were on pace for 113 to 114 wins, which is basically unrealistic over the course of an entire season. So their play is sloppy and uninspiring now. In NO WAY does it currently eliminate them from a World Series championship. I'd only think about worrying in September, if there is poor play then.

Good post.

Just like the Giants the angst (above normal losing streak angst) is because it's the same problem annually. Unlike the Giants it's the same GM/Mgr so that's especially unnerving.

As bad as they've been, which is shockingly bad, with average bullpen performance this a rough patch versus a total collapse. That's why high leverage guys are called that. They have oversized impact. And ours have shit the bed. One arm at the deadline can make a huge impact.
RE: RE: How Can The 300 Million Dollar Yankees  
k2tampa : 7/6/2024 9:51 am : link
In comment 16548908 gridirony said:
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In comment 16548870 NJLCO said:


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Not have a closer? How….not one shut down bullpen guy.

Because the trading deadline is July 30th? Why trade now, when a few weeks from now, we'll see what closers are rising and which ones are falling. And there is the rare chance that a player traded for earlier, could have a season ending injury right after the trade. It's best to wait as long as possible, still getting your man, to avoid such problems.

The Yankees do appear to have a few superstars (very strong links), and many weaknesses (weak links) in their chain.

But as for overall play and winning, they are likely just regressing to the mean. They were on pace for 113 to 114 wins, which is basically unrealistic over the course of an entire season. So their play is sloppy and uninspiring now. In NO WAY does it currently eliminate them from a World Series championship. I'd only think about worrying in September, if there is poor play then.


Why trade now because a guy could get hurt right after the trade? He could get hurt right after the trade at the end of July. In the meantime the pen still struggles. DJ keeps hitting weak ground balls.
The biggest concern with the scenario where the team continues to struggle and either falls in the first round or doesn't make the playoffs is that might increase the odds of Soto leaving. Then giving up 7 of their top 10 to 12 pitching prospects for one year of Soto and probably one year of Verdugo gets really bad.
RE: RE: How Can The 300 Million Dollar Yankees  
M.S. : 7/6/2024 9:56 am : link
In comment 16548908 gridirony said:
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In comment 16548870 NJLCO said:


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Not have a closer? How….not one shut down bullpen guy.

Because the trading deadline is July 30th? Why trade now, when a few weeks from now, we'll see what closers are rising and which ones are falling. And there is the rare chance that a player traded for earlier, could have a season ending injury right after the trade. It's best to wait as long as possible, still getting your man, to avoid such problems.

The Yankees do appear to have a few superstars (very strong links), and many weaknesses (weak links) in their chain.

But as for overall play and winning, they are likely just regressing to the mean. They were on pace for 113 to 114 wins, which is basically unrealistic over the course of an entire season. So their play is sloppy and uninspiring now. In NO WAY does it currently eliminate them from a World Series championship. I'd only think about worrying in September, if there is poor play then.

I agree with your post but I'm having a little trouble with this line of yours: "In NO WAY does it currently eliminate them from a World Series championship."

Of course, technically, the Yankees have not been eliminated from anything, and I suppose that even includes a World Series Championship.

But this is not a World Championship roster. They have two superstar hitters and then a lot of everyday players that range from bad to mediocre. Their starting pitching and relief pitching is now regressing to the mean, and they have no legit closer.

I believe this team can make the playoffs. But the World Series is a bridge too far. Way far.
The ship be sinking  
averagejoe : 7/6/2024 10:31 am : link
and the sky's the limit. The season is not over. It only looks that way. This is another top heavy Cashman team that hits HR's. Spotty starting, no closer, no 3B, Stanton hurt . Team will get to 90 wins somehow and go out early in postseason yet again. Cashman has to go. Like 10 yrs ago .
RE: Remember  
HomerJones45 : 7/6/2024 10:54 am : link
In comment 16548890 Costy16 said:
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Cashman got rid of Girardi for being too hard on players (Gary Sanchez, who deserved it) and used the whole “can’t relate to today’s players” canard.

Now we have guys who are showing no effort and playing dumb baseball and they get a free pass. This is what Cashman wanted. Him and Boone should be fired if they get swept this weekend. But Hall doesn’t have the balls.
As long as Hal is making money and can play with his horses in Ocala, he does not want to be bothered.

Cashman sucks and has sucked for years. Shifting team building philosophies (remember "we are going to build through the farm"- right up until he started trading the farm for free agent rentals and the guys from the farm did nothing), all in on sabremetrics to make every decision (which even Bill James is now saying are being misused to make micro decisions), all in on 3 outcome baseball which appears to be ruining some hitters. He is just bad at what he does.

Boone is no prize but he is there because he does what Cashman tells him to do. They both should be shown the door.
If this team was  
winoguy : 7/6/2024 10:55 am : link
a movie , they'd be "Groundhog Day " ...
RE: The ship be sinking  
Jim in Tampa : 7/6/2024 10:57 am : link
In comment 16548949 averagejoe said:
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and the sky's the limit. The season is not over. It only looks that way. This is another top heavy Cashman team that hits HR's. Spotty starting, no closer, no 3B, Stanton hurt . Team will get to 90 wins somehow and go out early in postseason yet again. Cashman has to go. Like 10 yrs ago .

If the ship be sinking, how can the sky be the limit?

;>)
RE: RE: I Really Miss  
Matt M. : 7/6/2024 12:25 pm : link
In comment 16548857 Dave in Hoboken said:
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The Boss….the shit would be hitting the fan by now.



You're not allowed to miss those days because someone will bring up all the bad stuff. Like, who the fuck cares. At least they fucking WON in those days. From Hal, to Levine, to Cashman, to Boone, these guys are all imbeciles, to put it kindly.
They won 2 WS with George's antics and then went a decade and a half with no post season because of his antics. The 90s winning had 0, ZERO to do with Steinbrenner.
A lot of people want Cashman to make some trades.  
tony stg : 7/6/2024 12:25 pm : link
Who exactly is there in the Yankees system (excepting Dominguez and Jones, neither of whom I would trade) that anyone would want that would bring back anyone that's any good? I think the odds are pretty good that we will have to dance with whom we’ve got. And that’s a problem.

RE: Painful watching DJL  
Matt M. : 7/6/2024 12:33 pm : link
In comment 16548885 xman said:
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Seems like Torres doesnt play well under pressure.

Holmes is a weak closer. Imagine him in a playoff game. Yikes

Too much pressure on Rice batting leadoff

Wells has potential. Yanks also have quite a few talented catchers in the minors

Stanton and the Martian in the lineup would help
I don't think Rice should leadoff, but I don't think pressure has anything to do with it. He should be in the 5/6 spot because I think he will be more productive there and and is better than any other option there.

Personally, I wouldn't have moved Volpe out. Once they moved him there earlier in the season, they needed to leave him there. They don't have any other leadoff hitter. I don't love him, but I don't see another leadoff batter on this team. Or, are we moving to Soto leading off and Judge 2?
Seems like there are just not enough consistent bats  
M.S. : 7/6/2024 1:21 pm : link

In the everyday lineup. Everyone loves Judge and Soto but if either or both have an off-game, or an off-series or an off few weeks… who the heck is picking up the slack?

It’s unfair to compare this team with the late 90s version, but those teams always seemed to have several decent/consistent bats to pick up the slack. Today, 2 superstars in the lineup joined by 7 questionable/iffy bats. I no like that ratio.
RE: Seems like there are just not enough consistent bats  
Matt M. : 7/6/2024 2:34 pm : link
In comment 16549035 M.S. said:
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In the everyday lineup. Everyone loves Judge and Soto but if either or both have an off-game, or an off-series or an off few weeks… who the heck is picking up the slack?

It’s unfair to compare this team with the late 90s version, but those teams always seemed to have several decent/consistent bats to pick up the slack. Today, 2 superstars in the lineup joined by 7 questionable/iffy bats. I no like that ratio.
Exactly. And that consistency was contagious; guys played above their stats. This team is the opposite. Verdugo, for example. He gets a decent amount of praise here, but he is hitting 30 points below his career average.
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