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NFT: Better Rocky antagonist: Clubber Lang or Drago?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/5/2024 7:20 pm
Prime Video dropped the original 5 Rocky movies this month-I hesitate to include Rocky V, which was an abomination, but I digress-& I just watched them all for like the millionth time, excluding Rocky V. One viewing of that trainwreck was enough.

So who is the better villain: Lang or Drago? I lean towards the former. His bit on Adrian when Rocky is about to retire: "Bring your pretty, little self over to my apartment tonight, and I'll show you a real man." that enrages Rock. His 'I pity the fool' remark. & of course the classic: 'What's your prediction for the fight? 'Prediction?' 'Yes, your prediction?' (Lang looks at camera)...'Pain.'

Of course Drago has his moments as well. I think he has like 8 lines, but they were all fire: 'If he dies, he dies.' 'I must break you.' 'You will lose.'

I love the first 4 Rocky movies, though Rocky IV is probably my favorite, even considering how absurd it is.
Lang. And it’s not close in my opinion.  
The_Boss : 7/5/2024 7:28 pm : link
Drago was symbolic of the whole 80’s US/USSR cold war. Lang was just a prick.
Both good  
Giantophile : 7/5/2024 7:29 pm : link
But Drago is truly iconic. Like you said, half his lines are still regularly quoted 40 years later.
Drago killed creed  
djm : 7/5/2024 7:30 pm : link
So he’s got that going for him. Clubber lang was all talk — couldn’t take a punch. Chump. Drago went nearly the distance with rocky if memory serves. Clubber lang went what, 4 rounds? Chump.
Clubber Lang.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/5/2024 7:35 pm : link
Star-making performance.
RE: Lang. And it’s not close in my opinion.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/5/2024 7:36 pm : link
In comment 16548778 The_Boss said:
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Drago was symbolic of the whole 80’s US/USSR cold war. Lang was just a prick.


Lang. Ivan's wife was more of an antagonist.
But Drago was the better villain  
robbieballs2003 : 7/5/2024 7:38 pm : link
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The Boss.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/5/2024 7:38 pm : link
The idea of the mid '80s Politburo STANDING UP & APPLAUDING Rocky is still one the most absurd things I've ever watched in a movie, Haha.
Little known fact about Drago  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/5/2024 7:41 pm : link
In one of the first Rocky IV trailers, Drago gives a whole monologue about how he is going to beat Rocky. He talks more in this trailer than he does in the entire movie
My Name is Drago - ( New Window )
Clubber  
PatersonPlank : 7/5/2024 7:54 pm : link
RE: RE: Lang. And it’s not close in my opinion.  
mfsd : 7/5/2024 8:03 pm : link
In comment 16548784 robbieballs2003 said:
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Drago was symbolic of the whole 80’s US/USSR cold war. Lang was just a prick.



Lang. Ivan's wife was more of an antagonist.


And Drago’s manager. Drago himself was just their tool

Lang was legit intimidating in that role. Especially to me and my friends when we saw it at 8 years old
Clubber was a much better character.  
Section331 : 7/5/2024 8:11 pm : link
His character was not only menacing in the ring, but out of it too.
Clubber by a country mile  
j_rud : 7/5/2024 8:16 pm : link
Clubber is why Apollo Creed had to die. Clubber broke Rocky's psyche. He was scared of him. Terrified, in fact. It took that beach therapy session with Adrienne to get him back.

That's why Creed had to die, IMO. In terms of raising the stakes with a villain in a movie series, following Clubber you have to kill a guy. That's how drastic they had to get to move forward from that character. Even with the cold war angle, the only thing "scarier" than what Lang did to Rocky is to kill a man in the ring.

Clubber or Drago? Man, Clubber created Drago.
Drago by a country mile.  
Optimus-NY : 7/5/2024 8:26 pm : link
Drago was a killer and would've beat Clubber to a stump. He basically did that to old-a$$ Apollo AND made Rocky go into retirement with the beating he gave him. Look at Rocky's reaction to Drago in Creed 2 when he saw him after over 30 years. Rocko wanted no part of Adonis fighting Drago's kid either. Clubber's impact on Rocky's personal life and career vs. Clubber's impact on it were nowhere near the same. We all thought Rocky was bran damaged before, but Drago made sure he was!
Drago and not close  
JOrthman : 7/5/2024 10:56 pm : link
Clubber was more like a cartoon villain. Drago was like Jason Vorhees.
Ivan Drago  
BNY Giants Club : 7/6/2024 12:44 am : link
Way more compelling character. As mentioned above his wife was the real antagonist. That scene where she exchanges pleasantries with Mrs. Creed before the fight and then takes a drag off the cigarette is stone cold by her.
Clubber all the way  
56goat : 7/6/2024 7:09 am : link
2 big punchers letting it all hang out.
Lang  
PepperJ52 : 7/6/2024 9:28 am : link
He was like a combination of a mouthy, obnoxious Ali and a menacing Sonny Liston. And his character was just plan mean while Drago was like a programmed machine.
Hulk Hogan  
barens : 7/6/2024 9:39 am : link
of course.
RE: Hulk Hogan  
PepperJ52 : 7/6/2024 10:00 am : link
Thunder Lips! Not a villain though. Just a pretend villain.
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of course.
For entertainment value  
Koffman : 7/6/2024 11:14 am : link
I'd take Clubber Lang, but Drago was the better overall villain.
I'm surprised this is even close  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/6/2024 11:56 am : link
Clubber was nothing but a loudmouthed punk, who Rocky disposed of in 3 rounds. Not only that, they borrowed the fight music from Rocky II.

Drago may well have been a T-800 Terminator. He killed Apollo, his wife was a bitch, and he took Rocky the distance.

He only had three lines of dialogue ( in English ) in the entire movie, but they've become classic one liners that are repeated to this day.
no need to pile on Tommy Mo  
RasputinPrime : 7/6/2024 1:02 pm : link
Rocky V was not a good movie but it had some important Rocky moments.

"you and me were like THIS Tommy!"

Clubber is the guy that reminds us you need to know what you really are in the world. Drago is the guy that allows us to change who we are fighting for. Tommy is guy that reminds us that you you ultimately have to accept people for what they truly are - and the sooner you see them, the better.
RE: RE: Hulk Hogan  
barens : 7/6/2024 1:03 pm : link
In comment 16548932 PepperJ52 said:
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Thunder Lips! Not a villain though. Just a pretend villain.
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of course.



In the flesh, baby!!
James "Clubber" Lang is a little bit misunderstood  
jnoble : 7/6/2024 1:09 pm : link
He wasn't mean just for the sake of it. He came up poor and was offended by seeing all the easy matches Rocky was given to help him keep his title. And then got more offended by Rocky (via Mickey) trying to dodge him until he could retire. He just wanted a shot at the title like Rocky had with Apollo years earlier. That's why he came off as so angry and aggressive, years of training and working his way up the ladder only to have his target try and squirm out of it.

Although since Clubber was ranked #1, if Rocky retired wouldn't that have made him champ by default?
RE: no need to pile on Tommy Mo  
jnoble : 7/6/2024 1:13 pm : link
In comment 16549024 RasputinPrime said:
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Rocky V was not a good movie but it had some important Rocky moments.

"you and me were like THIS Tommy!"

Clubber is the guy that reminds us you need to know what you really are in the world. Drago is the guy that allows us to change who we are fighting for. Tommy is guy that reminds us that you you ultimately have to accept people for what they truly are - and the sooner you see them, the better.


V had potential to be better than it was. It's biggest sin was ending in a street fight instead of a boxing ring which was the whole point of the franchise. If they went that way, it could've salvaged the movie which Stallone admitted he did only for money and not artistic statement and was a mistake in hindsight. But I've argued for years that 5 had the potential to be a good movie with some changes and editing
Drago  
UConn4523 : 7/6/2024 1:21 pm : link
especially given the time the movie came out. And Lang always felt like a cartoon character, Drago was basically Terminator in the ring.
RE: The Boss.  
Mike from Ohio : 7/6/2024 2:10 pm : link
In comment 16548786 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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The idea of the mid '80s Politburo STANDING UP & APPLAUDING Rocky is still one the most absurd things I've ever watched in a movie, Haha.


That was a good movie, but if I see it on TV I stop watching before that part because it is just sooooooo bad. One of the worst endings in movie history on a very good movie up until that point.

I wonder if the Soviets have any movies where Americans start rooting for a lovable Soviet in a battle between their two nations? Maybe they re-shoot "Miracle" with the Soviets winning and the whole crowd in Lake Placid euphorically storming the ice to celebrate?
RE: James  
PepperJ52 : 7/6/2024 6:50 pm : link
Excellent points.
In comment 16549027 jnoble said:
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He wasn't mean just for the sake of it. He came up poor and was offended by seeing all the easy matches Rocky was given to help him keep his title. And then got more offended by Rocky (via Mickey) trying to dodge him until he could retire. He just wanted a shot at the title like Rocky had with Apollo years earlier. That's why he came off as so angry and aggressive, years of training and working his way up the ladder only to have his target try and squirm out of it.

Although since Clubber was ranked #1, if Rocky retired wouldn't that have made him champ by default?
I don't think Rocky V is amazing or anything  
BlackLight : 7/7/2024 7:30 pm : link
but I've never understood why it's always gotten the R*y H*****y treatment from people.
RE: RE: The Boss.  
RasputinPrime : 7/7/2024 7:32 pm : link
In comment 16549051 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 16548786 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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The idea of the mid '80s Politburo STANDING UP & APPLAUDING Rocky is still one the most absurd things I've ever watched in a movie, Haha.



That was a good movie, but if I see it on TV I stop watching before that part because it is just sooooooo bad. One of the worst endings in movie history on a very good movie up until that point.

I wonder if the Soviets have any movies where Americans start rooting for a lovable Soviet in a battle between their two nations? Maybe they re-shoot "Miracle" with the Soviets winning and the whole crowd in Lake Placid euphorically storming the ice to celebrate?


you never know. Anybody can change.
RE: James  
BlackLight : 7/7/2024 7:39 pm : link
In comment 16549027 jnoble said:
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Although since Clubber was ranked #1, if Rocky retired wouldn't that have made him champ by default?


No, they would've made him fight somebody for it. And even if he won, he wouldn't be seen as completely legitimate because he never beat The Champ to win the title.
I'd like it if one of the Creed sequels  
BlackLight : 7/7/2024 7:41 pm : link
dug into what happened with Lang after Rocky beat him in he rematch.
RE: Hulk Hogan  
Larry in Pencilvania : 7/7/2024 8:37 pm : link
In comment 16548926 barens said:
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of course.


The ultimate male vs the ultimate meatball!!!
RE: Little known fact about Drago  
JoeSchoens11 : 7/7/2024 9:19 pm : link
In comment 16548787 Ron from Ninerland said:
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In one of the first Rocky IV trailers, Drago gives a whole monologue about how he is going to beat Rocky. He talks more in this trailer than he does in the entire movie My Name is Drago - ( New Window )
Thanks for finding this. With that accent I can see why they limited his lines.
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Route 9 : 7/8/2024 1:59 pm : link
The funny thing is about Rocky V, the best part about that movie is the street fight at the end lol I don't know why but out of that whole movie that's the one that I find most amazing.

I just always skip the boxing matches when I rewatch the Rocky's but I always leave that one playing lol always makes me laugh. It's the most memorable fight out of the film series.

Those movies are great and I will always defend them because at the same time they're nitpicked apart by nearly everybody for some reason. Good God, just let those movies be lol

Drago was the more formidable opponent for Rocky, by the way.
This isn't close  
pjcas18 : 7/8/2024 2:03 pm : link
for me. I kind of liked Drago at the end, sort of like how I liked Apollo - not exactly, but close.

Drago was sort of an instrument and his handlers and the Kremlim/Russia were the bad guys.

Mr. T was awesome in that role. So unlikable. Such a great villain.

Drago was barely an antagonist - it was more situational if you get it, Clubber was incredible.
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