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NFT: ⚾️ YANKEE THREAD⚾️: Boston Game 2. 6/6

Ron from Ninerland : 7/6/2024 11:38 am
Go Yankees ( threads ) !  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/6/2024 12:17 pm : link
I see yesterday's Yankee thread got way more hits than the Mets thread ? Why might this be ?

1) Everyone loves a trainwreck and right now the Yankees are the more spectacular of the two.

2) Yankee fans truly believe that if they would just fire Cashman, Boone, Levine .... then everything will be fine. Met fans, like Jet fans realize that if they fire everybody, they'll just bring in another group of clowns.
How the F does Grisham bat 6th?  
Matt M. : 7/6/2024 12:21 pm : link
That lineup...ugh
RE: How the F does Grisham bat 6th?  
HBart : 7/6/2024 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16548998 Matt M. said:
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That lineup...ugh

He's 3 for his last 9. On this team that's en-fuego.
RE: RE: How the F does Grisham bat 6th?  
Matt M. : 7/6/2024 12:40 pm : link
In comment 16549006 HBart said:
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In comment 16548998 Matt M. said:


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That lineup...ugh


He's 3 for his last 9. On this team that's en-fuego.
I don't give a F if he's 9 for his last 9. He should not bat anywhere other than 8 or 9. The problem is they have about 4 guys that fit that description playing regularly. But, of all of them, he really belongs there.
3-9 aside  
Crazed Dogs : 7/6/2024 12:41 pm : link
Grisham is not a good player...the hitting has been pathetic in this stretch. I am hoping the game yesterday with another Holmes implosion is the bottom. Though I do not have a lot of confidence with the roster as currently set. The team can't score runs and the pen sucks. I've never seen anything like this .. a first place team looking like one of the best teams in baseball to playing like the worst team in baseball. Crazy man.
Anotgher problem is he shouldn't even be playing.  
Matt M. : 7/6/2024 12:48 pm : link
After that disgusting, lazy misplay on Thursday, he should be benched., Instead he plays the next 3 games and moves UP in the lineup because their roster sucks right now. Then again, you could DH Wells instead of putting him in a straight platoon and as much as I hate Davis, you could DH him.

A winning team, though, can't have both Grisham and Jones on their roster at the same time and at least 1 getting significant playing time.

And now Cashman apologists will say it's injuries, which is bullshit. DJLM was hurt in ST. They had no option for 3B other than Cabrera and did nothing once Cabrera's Cinderella opening 2 weeks of the season were in the rearview. Their "plan" was seemingly wait for DJLM to get back even though he hasn't been healthy or good for 3 years. They had no other options for 4th OF other than just wait for Dominguez. They no other option for 1B even though they had no clue about Rizzo's health after the way his season ended. I don't know why nobody is talking about it, but his play this year seems to have still been impacted by the concussion. His depth perception seems shot, especially in the field.

So, that's half their lineup with no backup plan for the poor main plan. Oddly, sticking with Stanton (they had no choice) might be the best thing they did with all the question marks...until his annual IL stint.
RE: Anotgher problem is he shouldn't even be playing.  
Matt M. : 7/6/2024 12:51 pm : link
In comment 16549018 Matt M. said:
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After that disgusting, lazy misplay on Thursday, he should be benched., Instead he plays the next 3 games and moves UP in the lineup because their roster sucks right now. Then again, you could DH Wells instead of putting him in a straight platoon and as much as I hate Davis, you could DH him.

A winning team, though, can't have both Grisham and Jones on their roster at the same time and at least 1 getting significant playing time.

And now Cashman apologists will say it's injuries, which is bullshit. DJLM was hurt in ST. They had no option for 3B other than Cabrera and did nothing once Cabrera's Cinderella opening 2 weeks of the season were in the rearview. Their "plan" was seemingly wait for DJLM to get back even though he hasn't been healthy or good for 3 years. They had no other options for 4th OF other than just wait for Dominguez. They no other option for 1B even though they had no clue about Rizzo's health after the way his season ended. I don't know why nobody is talking about it, but his play this year seems to have still been impacted by the concussion. His depth perception seems shot, especially in the field.

So, that's half their lineup with no backup plan for the poor main plan. Oddly, sticking with Stanton (they had no choice) might be the best thing they did with all the question marks...until his annual IL stint.
And then the bullpen is a whole other issue. Who walked away from last season confident that Holmes could be the closer for a Championship team? Does he suck? No. But, he isn't a guy you feel confident in, even when he is going well. And the rest of their pen leaves a lot to be desired as well.
Crazy how two of their top prospects  
Crazed Dogs : 7/6/2024 12:53 pm : link
Dominguez and Durbin are hurt. They could use both in the lineup now. I like Rice thus far.
Grisham  
HBart : 7/6/2024 1:09 pm : link
It's always worried me that a guy like him is on the roster.

I wasn't supporting him batting 6...but I think that's Boone's logic.
there have to be  
RasputinPrime : 7/6/2024 1:16 pm : link
some very important conversations happening off the field in Yankeeland right now. The guys in the lineup and the BP right now aren't the guys but there are too many changes that need to be made and it is unclear how many of these changes will sort themselves out when guys get healthy (Dominguez, Stanton, Effross, Berti) or more PT (Rice, Wells).
Ben Rice goes deep on the first pitch.  
bceagle05 : 7/6/2024 1:21 pm : link
He’s destroying right handed pitching.
Rice has a bat  
RasputinPrime : 7/6/2024 1:25 pm : link
that plays. His fielding has been better than expected. No reason not to have him in the lineup.

1-0

Let' go Cole
RE: Anotgher problem is he shouldn't even be playing.  
Mbavaro : 7/6/2024 1:30 pm : link
In comment 16549018 Matt M. said:
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After that disgusting, lazy misplay on Thursday, he should be benched., Instead he plays the next 3 games and moves UP in the lineup because their roster sucks right now. Then again, you could DH Wells instead of putting him in a straight platoon and as much as I hate Davis, you could DH him.

A winning team, though, can't have both Grisham and Jones on their roster at the same time and at least 1 getting significant playing time.

And now Cashman apologists will say it's injuries, which is bullshit. DJLM was hurt in ST. They had no option for 3B other than Cabrera and did nothing once Cabrera's Cinderella opening 2 weeks of the season were in the rearview. Their "plan" was seemingly wait for DJLM to get back even though he hasn't been healthy or good for 3 years. They had no other options for 4th OF other than just wait for Dominguez. They no other option for 1B even though they had no clue about Rizzo's health after the way his season ended. I don't know why nobody is talking about it, but his play this year seems to have still been impacted by the concussion. His depth perception seems shot, especially in the field.

So, that's half their lineup with no backup plan for the poor main plan. Oddly, sticking with Stanton (they had no choice) might be the best thing they did with all the question marks...until his annual IL stint.


They did have another option at 3rd….Berti….but he got hurt too
Volpe  
RasputinPrime : 7/6/2024 1:41 pm : link
continues with the soft contact. Disappointing couple of months.
Trevino looks horrendous trying to throw the ball.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/6/2024 2:01 pm : link
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Cole  
RasputinPrime : 7/6/2024 2:09 pm : link
is getting baseballed to death today. Dink and dunk BS.

He needs to get his stuff going.
RE: RE: Anotgher problem is he shouldn't even be playing.  
Matt M. : 7/6/2024 2:31 pm : link
In comment 16549039 Mbavaro said:
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In comment 16549018 Matt M. said:


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After that disgusting, lazy misplay on Thursday, he should be benched., Instead he plays the next 3 games and moves UP in the lineup because their roster sucks right now. Then again, you could DH Wells instead of putting him in a straight platoon and as much as I hate Davis, you could DH him.

A winning team, though, can't have both Grisham and Jones on their roster at the same time and at least 1 getting significant playing time.

And now Cashman apologists will say it's injuries, which is bullshit. DJLM was hurt in ST. They had no option for 3B other than Cabrera and did nothing once Cabrera's Cinderella opening 2 weeks of the season were in the rearview. Their "plan" was seemingly wait for DJLM to get back even though he hasn't been healthy or good for 3 years. They had no other options for 4th OF other than just wait for Dominguez. They no other option for 1B even though they had no clue about Rizzo's health after the way his season ended. I don't know why nobody is talking about it, but his play this year seems to have still been impacted by the concussion. His depth perception seems shot, especially in the field.

So, that's half their lineup with no backup plan for the poor main plan. Oddly, sticking with Stanton (they had no choice) might be the best thing they did with all the question marks...until his annual IL stint.



They did have another option at 3rd….Berti….but he got hurt too
Please. Berti is not an everyday player on a good team. That is no plan. Every guy doesn't need to be an all star. But, you need serviceable players, not Sot and Judge and then absolutely nothing.
DJ  
NJLCO : 7/6/2024 2:36 pm : link
Is all kind of messed up with the bat. It’s been going on for far too long now.

Need to either fix him quickly or trade him.
RE: DJ  
Matt M. : 7/6/2024 2:38 pm : link
In comment 16549063 NJLCO said:
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Is all kind of messed up with the bat. It’s been going on for far too long now.

Need to either fix him quickly or trade him.
Fix quickly? He's looked like this for 3 years. At first it was explained away as the injury. Sorry, but this isn't all the foot and if it is, then he needs to not play.
DJs done  
HBart : 7/6/2024 2:47 pm : link
Needs to sit. He's really bad.
cmon Cap  
RasputinPrime : 7/6/2024 2:48 pm : link
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Wells is just piling up really good at bats  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/6/2024 3:02 pm : link
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Benny Gotdammmmmmm Rice =  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/6/2024 3:08 pm : link
Superstar
better a late callup  
RasputinPrime : 7/6/2024 3:08 pm : link
than never!

Rice porks one.

10-4
Rice is a baller  
HBart : 7/6/2024 3:29 pm : link
He has the best at bats of anyone on the roster of late -- including Soto.
Holy shit, another bomb from Rice!  
bceagle05 : 7/6/2024 3:38 pm : link
Three on the day.
WOW  
RasputinPrime : 7/6/2024 3:39 pm : link
3 run homer day for Ben Rice!
Hopefully we can stop with JD Davis and Jahmai Jones.  
bceagle05 : 7/6/2024 3:41 pm : link
Let him figure out left hand pitching too.
RE: Hopefully we can stop with JD Davis and Jahmai Jones.  
Matt M. : 7/6/2024 3:45 pm : link
In comment 16549081 bceagle05 said:
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Let him figure out left hand pitching too.
Agreed, but I thought that before they traded for Davis. He was hitting in the minors and needs to play every day not just to learn MLB pitching, but to get more reps at 1B. The Davis trade never made any sense.

He is the 3rd best hitter on the team right now.
Damn I feel good for him  
HBart : 7/6/2024 3:48 pm : link
First Yankee rookie in history to launch 3 in one game.

That is incredible ... the names he's keeping company with. And with his legit aw-shucks attitude. It's fabulous.
Rice looked fine against lefties  
shyster : 7/6/2024 4:10 pm : link
in the few games he had before they got Davis.

Had an "almost HR" to Death Valley off a lefty that would have been out in most parks.

Rice has to keep doing it, but he should have the edge on keeping the job even after Rizzo comes back.
We needed that.  
Mike from SI : 7/6/2024 4:13 pm : link
Apparently first Yankees' rookie ever to do that, which is very cool.
Did they find a  
section125 : 7/6/2024 4:15 pm : link
1st baseman?

14-4? WTF is with that?
Fuck Boston  
bwitz : 7/6/2024 4:16 pm : link
Always nice to see the Yanks put on an ass whooping like that.
DJLM had 2 good hits late in the game.  
Mike from SI : 7/6/2024 4:46 pm : link
And I'm so jaded with him that I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing (if it will guarantee him another 50 shitty ABs).
RE: Rice looked fine against lefties  
Milton : 7/6/2024 6:41 pm : link
In comment 16549091 shyster said:
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in the few games he had before they got Davis.

Had an "almost HR" to Death Valley off a lefty that would have been out in most parks.

From MLB.Com/Prospects/...
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He has a compact left-handed stroke with plenty of bat speed and strength, though his hitting ability stands out more than his raw power. He has been old for most of his leagues and has struggled mightily against southpaws, so evaluators aren't quite sure what to make of his 2023 performance or his chances to be more than a platoon player.


p.s.--I haven't seen any of his games, been only following the box scores. How has his fielding been at first base? How does it compare to Rizzo's fielding?



RE: RE: Rice looked fine against lefties  
shyster : 7/6/2024 7:28 pm : link
In comment 16549156 Milton said:
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In comment 16549091 shyster said:


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in the few games he had before they got Davis.

Had an "almost HR" to Death Valley off a lefty that would have been out in most parks.


From MLB.Com/Prospects/...

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He has a compact left-handed stroke with plenty of bat speed and strength, though his hitting ability stands out more than his raw power. He has been old for most of his leagues and has struggled mightily against southpaws, so evaluators aren't quite sure what to make of his 2023 performance or his chances to be more than a platoon player.



p.s.--I haven't seen any of his games, been only following the box scores. How has his fielding been at first base? How does it compare to Rizzo's fielding?




Rice did fine against lefties in the minors in 2024, before being brought up: .292/.340/.540 in 48 ABs (14 for 48 with 3 HRs and 3 2Bs).

He is only 2 for 14 vs lefties in majors but, on the eye test, his at bats have been competitive.

He has looked OK at 1B, better than I thought he might look considering he was splitting time at catcher and DH in the minors. Not embarrassing himself catching throws from the infielders, which is the most important thing.

He's not comparable to the younger, Gold Glove version of Rizzo. But then, neither is the current version of Rizzo.
Ben Rice stepped up today. Not that he's done badly until now. But  
Ira : 7/6/2024 8:04 pm : link
I think the kid turned a lot of heads with this performance.
So I guess this means Rice is sitting today so Davis  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/6/2024 8:16 pm : link
can get some ABs?

He hit well in AA the second half of 2023, so of course they started him in AA again in 2024, splitting catcher with Ramirez, which made zero sense.

Of course, when Rizzo and Stanton come back, he will go down since he has options left. Just so we go into 2025 without a clue about the future at 1B. That’s been the Yankee way.
RE: So I guess this means Rice is sitting today so Davis  
Matt M. : 7/6/2024 8:33 pm : link
In comment 16549194 Jim in Hoboken said:
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can get some ABs?

He hit well in AA the second half of 2023, so of course they started him in AA again in 2024, splitting catcher with Ramirez, which made zero sense.

Of course, when Rizzo and Stanton come back, he will go down since he has options left. Just so we go into 2025 without a clue about the future at 1B. That’s been the Yankee way.
Sadly, this is true. When Rizzo comes back, he should sit...maybe an extra long rehab.
Volpe may pale in comparison to Henderson but he’s one of the few  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/6/2024 9:05 pm : link
successful picks. Go look at the list of first rounders between him and Judge, and before Judge. Oof.

Rice is only 5 months younger than Soto, and had good results despite relatively little baseball experience, to not have a definitive plan for him was ludicrous. Sure, he will have a rough stretch once pitchers adjust to him, that’s when he will get sent down so Rizzo, DJ, and Davis can continue to bat .200.

So Judge had to distance himself from his hitting coach spouting off but those of you feeling complacent about the state of the organization since 2009 are condemning Judge to a career without a ring. He will be looked at as all world but unclutch. He’s already doing everything but will be blamed for not producing any rings.
I just hope Rice doesn't turn out to be another Kevin Maas  
GeofromNJ : 7/6/2024 10:34 pm : link
Hit a ton of home runs when he first came up, then pitchers discovered he couldn't hit a ML curve ball.
RE: Volpe may pale in comparison to Henderson but he’s one of the few  
rich in DC : 7/6/2024 11:00 pm : link
In comment 16549205 Jim in Hoboken said:
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successful picks. Go look at the list of first rounders between him and Judge, and before Judge. Oof.

Rice is only 5 months younger than Soto, and had good results despite relatively little baseball experience, to not have a definitive plan for him was ludicrous. Sure, he will have a rough stretch once pitchers adjust to him, that’s when he will get sent down so Rizzo, DJ, and Davis can continue to bat .200.

So Judge had to distance himself from his hitting coach spouting off but those of you feeling complacent about the state of the organization since 2009 are condemning Judge to a career without a ring. He will be looked at as all world but unclutch. He’s already doing everything but will be blamed for not producing any rings.


Whatever.
RE: RE: Rice looked fine against lefties  
rich in DC : 7/6/2024 11:03 pm : link
In comment 16549156 Milton said:
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In comment 16549091 shyster said:


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in the few games he had before they got Davis.

Had an "almost HR" to Death Valley off a lefty that would have been out in most parks.


From MLB.Com/Prospects/...

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He has a compact left-handed stroke with plenty of bat speed and strength, though his hitting ability stands out more than his raw power. He has been old for most of his leagues and has struggled mightily against southpaws, so evaluators aren't quite sure what to make of his 2023 performance or his chances to be more than a platoon player.



p.s.--I haven't seen any of his games, been only following the box scores. How has his fielding been at first base? How does it compare to Rizzo's fielding?




Believe it or not, he's only had about 33 games in the minors at 1B. They let him stay at C until he effectively proved he can't throw out baserunners at the higher levels.

I expect him to improve with the glove and the bat is legit. Not only does he have sneaky power, but he carries at high OBP because he walks roughly as much as he strikes out.

With that said, he has shown some tendencies in the minors to be a streaky hitter.
Yanks minor league name to watch after the ASB  
rich in DC : 7/6/2024 11:10 pm : link
People might have forgotten about him because he was injured to start the season. But Jorvit Vivas might be turning into the answer at 2B.

He's the guy they got from the Dodgers in the small trade that got them Gonzales this winter. The most interesting thing about him is he's a lefty hitting 2B/3B.

He's not a big guy- listed at 5'9" 170. But he has hit for a high BA and OBP at every level. He hasn't shown much power- topping out at 13 2 years ago. But he has shown increasingly successful steal rates- stole 25 bags last year in AA and after getting caught 4 times in his first 5 tries to start the year, he has taken 8 straight.

In just a matter of weeks, he took his BA from under .190 to .260, with an OBP over .400.

Could he be the next rookie to get some big ABs down the stretch? Might not be a bad idea since there isn't much out there at 2B in the trade market.
RE: I just hope Rice doesn't turn out to be another Kevin Maas  
Matt M. : 7/7/2024 12:17 am : link
In comment 16549230 GeofromNJ said:
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Hit a ton of home runs when he first came up, then pitchers discovered he couldn't hit a ML curve ball.
He seems to have an excellent plate presence/eye, so I don't see it being a problem. He may not display premium power, but he does seem to be a good hitter.
Think 1st base situation  
xman : 7/7/2024 12:35 am : link
has been solved. One less worry
RE: Think 1st base situation  
Matt M. : 7/7/2024 12:38 am : link
In comment 16549249 xman said:
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has been solved. One less worry
I hope so, but I worry if Rizzo does come back in late August/September, they send Rice down. Or, they decide they need a veteran like Davis down the stretch, when Rice is looking to be the better player.
let's get Wells more PT  
RasputinPrime : 7/7/2024 12:42 pm : link
because Trevy isn't going to hit and has become a defensive liability with every baserunner.
RE: let's get Wells more PT  
Matt M. : 7/7/2024 2:13 pm : link
In comment 16549321 RasputinPrime said:
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because Trevy isn't going to hit and has become a defensive liability with every baserunner.
Agree 100%. Plus, Wells has been hitting.
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