Was that Schoen did not want Barkley back after negotiations went sour last year and Barkley had a less than thrilling season. This week I strongly believe that conversation was added to show that Barkley also wanted leave. A PR move to make the decision to let him go much easier on the fan base.
The Eagles, directly or indirectly were cozying up to Saquon right after the 2023 season ended. The Giants did the honorable thing not franchising him. He would have been more than bitter.
I've said it many times, Roc Nation messed him up with unrealistic $$ expectations, the previous year, then came the franchise tag. When Schoen called him this time, Saquon just wanted a divorce from the team - he wasn't going to get the money he wanted, got tired of being the only player on offense playing at a high level and he got tired of losing.
Barkelys vibe on the phone with Joe was distant and disinterested. JS was trying his hardest to warm up the convo
Very much so. Very unlike him, but it definitely seemed like he had one foot out the door. That snarky response of “I already told you where I want to be, so…” spoke volumes. He felt lowballed.
but this Saquon Soap Opera is just ridiculous. The guy isn't Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson or Barry Sanders. He's a very good RB who has struggled to be available. And while I'm not going to hold the team's dismal record with him against him, he's been replaceable for a number of years.
When Schoen said he spoke to Jones during the Combine about Nabers - I think that's what I heard - that was very telling.
I really like Daboll. He's just a football junkie. The best part of E2 was Daboll drilling the QBs.
- We wanted to go up to #3 to select a QB. I think we would’ve been happy with either Maye or Daniels (you have to remember that at the time of the Combine, it was unclear who the Commanders would take). Both guys seemed to impress. Caleb seemed like the least impressive from what I saw.
- John Mara was pushing HARD to retain Barkley. Schoen seemed to be a lot more level-headed about the situation.
- Burns was the goal and if we had re-signed Barkley and McKinney, Burns wouldn’t be a Football Giant.
- the brass liked all three WRs. It’s not clear why they had Nabers over Odunze, but you could tell Daboll loved him. I think many loved Odunze too, but they went with the more talented one over the “choir boy”
Barkley conversation toward the end on the phone with Schoen is really fascinating. Barkley's tone seemed odd, or distant, or maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Next episode will address more with Brian Burns. Can't wait for that.
He was definitely butt hurt at what the offers had been. Good for Schoen. Don’t pay for a 27 year old RB when your team is full of holes.
But DO pay $160 million for a mediocre QB when your team's full of holes
Shouldn’t have done either. Should have tagged DJ and let Barkley walk the season before. That’s what I was barking for but I’ve never liked Barkley at all.
When Schoen said he spoke to Jones during the Combine about Nabers - I think that's what I heard - that was very telling.
I think Nabers was the backup plan in case we couldn’t move up to #3. Hence asking what DJ thought. If anything, it shows me that there was absolutely no interest in JJ McCarthy. It was either trading up for Maye/Daniels or running it back with DJ for another year.
Very interesting and what a treat during the quietest time of year!
But no denying the desire for QB. Rumors seemed accurate.
Schoen didn't want to pay Barkley.....and I suspect Barkley fucked the Giants. Mara is not happy. I was neutral, but my hate is growing.....F¥€£ Barkley!
I think Morgan is going to get heat in Carolina....Schoen is coming across as a decent negotiator.
I sense the injury/availability of Jones is bigger concern than he sucks.....from Giants perspective. "We can't lose 3 games if he is not ready". Curious to see their view of Lock.
They mentioned corner several times.....but FA big money offer toward Wikins, a DT and their big move of Burns. Talk is cheap, follow the money.
Next week will be very interesting!!!!
Yeah Daboll drilling the QB's and all the QB interviews
was like football porn.
-For all those that wanted more Daboll this episode you sure got it vintage.
-Saquon wanted no part of being here, and Schoen wanted no part of keeping him so there was 0% chance he was ever coming back. End of story.
-Schoen is running this team. There wasn't a Mara anywhere to be found at the combine. The concept that old man Mara is making any consequential decision on player personnel is a joke.
-As everyone is saying moving up to #3 was very real. They loved Maye. When they couldn't move up it was gonna be a WR.
- I agree with the gut feeling that Daboll pushed real hard for Nabors and that probably clinched it because Odunze is a really really clean prospect. I'd expect Nabors to be involved with just about everything we do from minute one.
Lastly Eric I'm not just saying this because it's your site, but any football thread you're heavily involved with is a home run.
You could tell from episode 1 Schoen was done with Saquon
was so much from the episode... hearing from the actual scouts was great too.
Seeing YOUNG scouts and FO personnel means that Schoen is really running his show. His call to Saquon's agent was no bullshit data. You could tell he was done with the bullshit and ready to spend where it matters. I'm more confident than ever in this bunch.
What else struck me, not on Hard Knocks but Giants.com was the OL and TE interviews. We have legitimate veteran depth at TE, OL, something our best teams always had. I'm getting near Pollyanna territory but f it, we added a #1 WR, an Edge opposite Kayvon, two big skilled vet OGs, depth at TE and OL and more pieces in the secondary. And we have young dynamic WRs. It's all up to DJ now.
RE: Yeah Daboll drilling the QB's and all the QB interviews
I know a lot of fans don't watch the player press conferences, but Saquon sounded like he wanted out when the season ended. Going to Philly had to be very attractive for him. He has roots there and they have an OL and QB.
He sure sounded like he wanted nothing to do with the Giants when Schoen called him.
What a slight, the Giants offering him 3/$36 million.
/sarcasm
Barkelys vibe on the phone with Joe was distant and disinterested. JS was trying his hardest to warm up the convo
Very much so. Very unlike him, but it definitely seemed like he had one foot out the door. That snarky response of “I already told you where I want to be, so…” spoke volumes. He felt lowballed.
Did anyone else wonder if "I already told you where I want to be, so..." meant either a) 'I have already told you how much I will agree to return to NYG for' OR b) 'I have already told you that with the NYG is where I want to play?' I wasn't exactly clear which it was. If it was the latter, then SB comes across looking pretty bad.
why make that offer to Saquon (or even propose it) if last week, it didn't make sense to have a $40 million QB handing off to a $12 million RB?
I think it has something to do with the Giants overall organizational philosophy, "once a giant, always a giant". You heard Schoen talking about ring of honor, these are all Mara traits.
Schoen's job is to find the balance between Mara and building a competitive team. So at the end of the day, he has to play the game with Barkley to satisfy ownership.
Just my opinion.
art was right that episode was amazing - dabs combine interviews alone
worth the price of admission. wilkins and #39 is tempting but if you look at what was still on the board it's less clear. the most tempting alternative wasnt a player but the trade the rams did giving up 2 seconds for 1, which then pushes that pick below nubin any way. also would have voided the mckinney comp pick next year so not totally free.
there is a reasonable argument both ways but i think an edge bender like burns is just too hard to find elsewhere. also a couple years younger than wilkins. there's a reason he got tagged and had trade value, players like him at that age do not hit the open market.
since last summer it's been clear schoen didnt want to bring barkley back. i hope motor works out and does a good job but i think schoen dropped the ball on that one. the deal barkley's team proposed last year, encompassing the $10m from tag, was fair. ed berry clearly saw the writing on the wall and i thought it was interesting when he asked schoen point blank if they wanted to move on he answered like natalie imbruglia. i give him credit for taking the less comfortable path, but i dont think that's going to provide much respite if barkley gains 2k yards and 10+ tds in philly this year. hopefully that OL implodes without kelce. schoen's entire strategy in that negotiation was reactive vs proactive. i would have liked to see more of daboll's thoughts on that but it seems like the giants put a wall up on that.
RE: Brandon Brown is 100% getting hired away next cycle
Eric, I wonder if Schoen is actually talking about last year.
My subjective, opinionated take is that Schoen didn't really want Barkley back and Barkley didn't really want to come back.
Everything else seems like background noise to me.
i think your first opinion is right and the second one is wrong. i think barkley wanted to come back and was hurt that the feeling wasnt mutual (going back to last summer, and then probably again that the giants never put an offer in front of him ahead of FA).
if schoen wanted him back i think he'd have put an offer in front of him before FA, even if it were just the same extension they'd offered prior but adjusted to the cap increase, the problem was they were so close to a deal last summer i think he couldnt do that without risking saquon would take it.
my big unknown in all this is daboll, if he wanted to keep barkley like it seems like he wanted nabers, i think barkley would be back. i could believe that he wanted to burn the boats and running back to force the shift he wants into a passing team.
My son want through the same type of QB interviews for college last year. They do the same thing. We also had QB training coach, a former D1 college coach, work with him on those types of questions. The good and smart QBs come prepared. When you’ve been a QB for years and it’s your life, you should understand offenses as well as the coaches.
Coach Daboll know play schematics frontwards and backwards gives an inside view of why he got so frustrated on the sidelines with all of DJ’s bonehead mistakes and missed open receivers!
That must be why only he gave him $82M in guaranteed money!
and commentary that you don’t need to be concerned was scripted.
The Daboll stuff with the QB prospects was pure gold. Schoen doing his job with Saquon but clearly didn’t want him going forward, despite the ownership sentiments. Looks like moving up for Maye was indeed the goal with Nabers as the clear fallback if they had to stay.
Schoen and Daboll in charge all the way.
I could watch this again today with no problem. Good stuff.
Quite a few here have made the point the Nabers pick was about Jones. For me, it isn't that at all. You can see how much Daboll loved him. And Brandon Brown making the point about most great WRs aren't choir boys. Brown making the point that NYG needed that on the team.
If I had to guess has to first preference of each:
Schoen - Maye
Daboll - Nabers
With that said, they both like Jones (I'd guess Schoen more). He got his contract and he's the QB here until he isn't. But, there clearly was interest in Maye.
What a great episode. Imagine not liking or watching this?
How about Saquon's agent asking Schoen if he'd prefer if Saquon left? Schoen's answer was telling. He didn't want him.
the contract bit on Saquon at the end in the teaser. Sounds like the Giants did offer him 3/$36.
The first two episodes, Schoen was wondering out loud if Saquon would really leave the Giants for an extra million per year or if he meant what he said about wanting to be a Giant for life. He ultimately left for the extra million per year. I mean, that’s simplifying it and we don’t know how the contract was structured but yeah, it sure looked like the Giants were very close. I had just assumed the Eagles offer blew the Giants offer away and that the Giants wouldn’t come close and made it easy for him to leave. That wasn’t the case, it seems.
All that wanting to be a Giant talk really does seem like total nonsense now.
The contract Schoen was referring to was the mid-season 2022 offer. They didn't offer Barkley a contract for 2024.
I think Schoen was pissed(he sarcastically mentions the contract Barley turned down) and the amount they offered. He was clearly angry about the tag negotiations and wanted no part of it again this year. It seemed he was convincing himself not wanting Barkley back.
are worried about Jones getting injured again and needing to be ready with a plan. A few times Schoen says they need to be able to pivot. They also mentioned that the plan was for Jones to have a couple seasons to prove himself. I suspect if he either doesn't perform or gets hurt this year, Jones is gone.
Yes, there was clearly acrimony between Schoen and Barkley.
RE: Brandon Brown is 100% getting hired away next cycle
was like football porn.
-For all those that wanted more Daboll this episode you sure got it vintage.
-Saquon wanted no part of being here, and Schoen wanted no part of keeping him so there was 0% chance he was ever coming back. End of story.
-Schoen is running this team. There wasn't a Mara anywhere to be found at the combine. The concept that old man Mara is making any consequential decision on player personnel is a joke.
-As everyone is saying moving up to #3 was very real. They loved Maye. When they couldn't move up it was gonna be a WR.
- I agree with the gut feeling that Daboll pushed real hard for Nabors and that probably clinched it because Odunze is a really really clean prospect. I'd expect Nabors to be involved with just about everything we do from minute one.
Lastly Eric I'm not just saying this because it's your site, but any football thread you're heavily involved with is a home run.
Wasn't that McDonald in the press box saying he saw Daboll run across the street?
"We need to get around this kid and see if we can work with him because there is a lot to his personality,” area scout Scott Hamel said.
Is this an indication they were/are concerned about the high maintenance rumor (see: strip club video)? Or they think he just has an outgoing personality?
was so much from the episode... hearing from the actual scouts was great too.
Seeing YOUNG scouts and FO personnel means that Schoen is really running his show. His call to Saquon's agent was no bullshit data. You could tell he was done with the bullshit and ready to spend where it matters. I'm more confident than ever in this bunch.
What else struck me, not on Hard Knocks but Giants.com was the OL and TE interviews. We have legitimate veteran depth at TE, OL, something our best teams always had. I'm getting near Pollyanna territory but f it, we added a #1 WR, an Edge opposite Kayvon, two big skilled vet OGs, depth at TE and OL and more pieces in the secondary. And we have young dynamic WRs. It's all up to DJ now.
Yes, for those who have not watched the OL and TE interviews with Schmeelk, I recommend them.
RE: art was right that episode was amazing - dabs combine interviews alone
worth the price of admission. wilkins and #39 is tempting but if you look at what was still on the board it's less clear. the most tempting alternative wasnt a player but the trade the rams did giving up 2 seconds for 1, which then pushes that pick below nubin any way. also would have voided the mckinney comp pick next year so not totally free.
there is a reasonable argument both ways but i think an edge bender like burns is just too hard to find elsewhere. also a couple years younger than wilkins. there's a reason he got tagged and had trade value, players like him at that age do not hit the open market.
since last summer it's been clear schoen didnt want to bring barkley back. i hope motor works out and does a good job but i think schoen dropped the ball on that one. the deal barkley's team proposed last year, encompassing the $10m from tag, was fair. ed berry clearly saw the writing on the wall and i thought it was interesting when he asked schoen point blank if they wanted to move on he answered like natalie imbruglia. i give him credit for taking the less comfortable path, but i dont think that's going to provide much respite if barkley gains 2k yards and 10+ tds in philly this year. hopefully that OL implodes without kelce. schoen's entire strategy in that negotiation was reactive vs proactive. i would have liked to see more of daboll's thoughts on that but it seems like the giants put a wall up on that.
Can't operate on the basis on what Philly may do. That's how we ended up with Ben McAdoo.
Agree with others that Dabes was star of this show. QB and OC savant.
Clearly, he believes he can coach Daniel Jones up to success. The whole narrative about talking to the Pats about moving up to #3 was all couched in "...we have to protect ourselves due to DJ's injury history." not that he's not their guy.
The dinner shrimp cocktail scene goes into the.trash bin labeled Wastes of Time.
Schoen is an interesting guy. Acts chill while he speaks stress. Not a table banger. Straight with Saquon and agent Berry on the phone. Coolly pragmatic about RB falloff in general. Prods others for input as a good leader should. Love that he's always watching tape of potential acquisitions. That's the job.
CB starter jokes were not funny to me.
Dabes running the 40 jokes a bit overdone but amusing.
My subjective, opinionated take is that Schoen didn't really want Barkley back and Barkley didn't really want to come back.
Everything else seems like background noise to me.
Yeah, I think Schoen is being sarcastic and saying if "I would have offered that last year, Barkley would still be a Giant."
Everything Schoen did made it crystal clear he didn't want Barkley long term.
Joe said Nabers or Thomas?
Daboll said Nabers, that dudes a baller (no mention of Thomas).
Clear Nabers was a Daboll guy.
Joe said Nabers or Thomas?
Daboll said Nabers, that dudes a baller (no mention of Thomas).
Clear Nabers was a Daboll guy.
I think your spidey sense is spot on. I am willing to be that Daboll pushed for Nabers.
It does seem like that they were going to offer Christian Wilkins something.
On another note, I think Hannah Burnett is going to replace Kate Mara on BBI
Bowen didn’t come off as the swiftest. Actually, he kind of came off as goofy, IMO.
The Eagles, directly or indirectly were cozying up to Saquon right after the 2023 season ended. The Giants did the honorable thing not franchising him. He would have been more than bitter.
I've said it many times, Roc Nation messed him up with unrealistic $$ expectations, the previous year, then came the franchise tag. When Schoen called him this time, Saquon just wanted a divorce from the team - he wasn't going to get the money he wanted, got tired of being the only player on offense playing at a high level and he got tired of losing.
Very much so. Very unlike him, but it definitely seemed like he had one foot out the door. That snarky response of “I already told you where I want to be, so…” spoke volumes. He felt lowballed.
When Schoen said he spoke to Jones during the Combine about Nabers - I think that's what I heard - that was very telling.
I really like Daboll. He's just a football junkie. The best part of E2 was Daboll drilling the QBs.
Please give strength to Saquons ankles and knee ligaments. Amen.
He needs it. 3y for 46mm.
In Schoen I trust.
- We wanted to go up to #3 to select a QB. I think we would’ve been happy with either Maye or Daniels (you have to remember that at the time of the Combine, it was unclear who the Commanders would take). Both guys seemed to impress. Caleb seemed like the least impressive from what I saw.
- John Mara was pushing HARD to retain Barkley. Schoen seemed to be a lot more level-headed about the situation.
- Burns was the goal and if we had re-signed Barkley and McKinney, Burns wouldn’t be a Football Giant.
- the brass liked all three WRs. It’s not clear why they had Nabers over Odunze, but you could tell Daboll loved him. I think many loved Odunze too, but they went with the more talented one over the “choir boy”
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Barkley conversation toward the end on the phone with Schoen is really fascinating. Barkley's tone seemed odd, or distant, or maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Next episode will address more with Brian Burns. Can't wait for that.
He was definitely butt hurt at what the offers had been. Good for Schoen. Don’t pay for a 27 year old RB when your team is full of holes.
But DO pay $160 million for a mediocre QB when your team's full of holes
Shouldn’t have done either. Should have tagged DJ and let Barkley walk the season before. That’s what I was barking for but I’ve never liked Barkley at all.
When Schoen said he spoke to Jones during the Combine about Nabers - I think that's what I heard - that was very telling.
I think Nabers was the backup plan in case we couldn’t move up to #3. Hence asking what DJ thought. If anything, it shows me that there was absolutely no interest in JJ McCarthy. It was either trading up for Maye/Daniels or running it back with DJ for another year.
Daboll loves Nabers
Bowen loves Nubin
Henderson seemed to liked Phillips
But no denying the desire for QB. Rumors seemed accurate.
Schoen didn't want to pay Barkley.....and I suspect Barkley fucked the Giants. Mara is not happy. I was neutral, but my hate is growing.....F¥€£ Barkley!
I think Morgan is going to get heat in Carolina....Schoen is coming across as a decent negotiator.
I sense the injury/availability of Jones is bigger concern than he sucks.....from Giants perspective. "We can't lose 3 games if he is not ready". Curious to see their view of Lock.
They mentioned corner several times.....but FA big money offer toward Wikins, a DT and their big move of Burns. Talk is cheap, follow the money.
Next week will be very interesting!!!!
-For all those that wanted more Daboll this episode you sure got it vintage.
-Saquon wanted no part of being here, and Schoen wanted no part of keeping him so there was 0% chance he was ever coming back. End of story.
-Schoen is running this team. There wasn't a Mara anywhere to be found at the combine. The concept that old man Mara is making any consequential decision on player personnel is a joke.
-As everyone is saying moving up to #3 was very real. They loved Maye. When they couldn't move up it was gonna be a WR.
- I agree with the gut feeling that Daboll pushed real hard for Nabors and that probably clinched it because Odunze is a really really clean prospect. I'd expect Nabors to be involved with just about everything we do from minute one.
Lastly Eric I'm not just saying this because it's your site, but any football thread you're heavily involved with is a home run.
Episode 2 was much better than 1.
Dabs was terrific questioning QB ‘s at combine. Maye came off as very intelligent
What else struck me, not on Hard Knocks but Giants.com was the OL and TE interviews. We have legitimate veteran depth at TE, OL, something our best teams always had. I'm getting near Pollyanna territory but f it, we added a #1 WR, an Edge opposite Kayvon, two big skilled vet OGs, depth at TE and OL and more pieces in the secondary. And we have young dynamic WRs. It's all up to DJ now.
Tim McDonnell (the next John Mara) was at the combine and involved in discussions.
He sure sounded like he wanted nothing to do with the Giants when Schoen called him.
What a slight, the Giants offering him 3/$36 million.
/sarcasm
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Barkelys vibe on the phone with Joe was distant and disinterested. JS was trying his hardest to warm up the convo
Very much so. Very unlike him, but it definitely seemed like he had one foot out the door. That snarky response of “I already told you where I want to be, so…” spoke volumes. He felt lowballed.
Did anyone else wonder if "I already told you where I want to be, so..." meant either a) 'I have already told you how much I will agree to return to NYG for' OR b) 'I have already told you that with the NYG is where I want to play?' I wasn't exactly clear which it was. If it was the latter, then SB comes across looking pretty bad.
I think it has something to do with the Giants overall organizational philosophy, "once a giant, always a giant". You heard Schoen talking about ring of honor, these are all Mara traits.
Schoen's job is to find the balance between Mara and building a competitive team. So at the end of the day, he has to play the game with Barkley to satisfy ownership.
Just my opinion.
there is a reasonable argument both ways but i think an edge bender like burns is just too hard to find elsewhere. also a couple years younger than wilkins. there's a reason he got tagged and had trade value, players like him at that age do not hit the open market.
since last summer it's been clear schoen didnt want to bring barkley back. i hope motor works out and does a good job but i think schoen dropped the ball on that one. the deal barkley's team proposed last year, encompassing the $10m from tag, was fair. ed berry clearly saw the writing on the wall and i thought it was interesting when he asked schoen point blank if they wanted to move on he answered like natalie imbruglia. i give him credit for taking the less comfortable path, but i dont think that's going to provide much respite if barkley gains 2k yards and 10+ tds in philly this year. hopefully that OL implodes without kelce. schoen's entire strategy in that negotiation was reactive vs proactive. i would have liked to see more of daboll's thoughts on that but it seems like the giants put a wall up on that.
probably Rossetti. i believe ive heard some FO types in interviews say they think there are few future GMs in the giants FO and he's one of them.
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Eric, I wonder if Schoen is actually talking about last year.
My subjective, opinionated take is that Schoen didn't really want Barkley back and Barkley didn't really want to come back.
Everything else seems like background noise to me.
i think your first opinion is right and the second one is wrong. i think barkley wanted to come back and was hurt that the feeling wasnt mutual (going back to last summer, and then probably again that the giants never put an offer in front of him ahead of FA).
if schoen wanted him back i think he'd have put an offer in front of him before FA, even if it were just the same extension they'd offered prior but adjusted to the cap increase, the problem was they were so close to a deal last summer i think he couldnt do that without risking saquon would take it.
my big unknown in all this is daboll, if he wanted to keep barkley like it seems like he wanted nabers, i think barkley would be back. i could believe that he wanted to burn the boats and running back to force the shift he wants into a passing team.
The Daboll stuff with the QB prospects was pure gold. Schoen doing his job with Saquon but clearly didn’t want him going forward, despite the ownership sentiments. Looks like moving up for Maye was indeed the goal with Nabers as the clear fallback if they had to stay.
Schoen and Daboll in charge all the way.
I could watch this again today with no problem. Good stuff.
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If anything, it shows me that there was absolutely no interest in JJ McCarthy.
Which shows that "a lot of what was reported both in the media and by the asshats" wasn't true.
How could they have no interest in JJ McCarthy?
I could have sworn there was like a new JJ thread on here every other day linking the NYG to him. And remember that great Pro Day?
If I had to guess has to first preference of each:
Schoen - Maye
Daboll - Nabers
With that said, they both like Jones (I'd guess Schoen more). He got his contract and he's the QB here until he isn't. But, there clearly was interest in Maye.
What a great episode. Imagine not liking or watching this?
How about Saquon's agent asking Schoen if he'd prefer if Saquon left? Schoen's answer was telling. He didn't want him.
The slow half-smile on Bowen's face when his name was mentioned was great.
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the contract bit on Saquon at the end in the teaser. Sounds like the Giants did offer him 3/$36.
The first two episodes, Schoen was wondering out loud if Saquon would really leave the Giants for an extra million per year or if he meant what he said about wanting to be a Giant for life. He ultimately left for the extra million per year. I mean, that’s simplifying it and we don’t know how the contract was structured but yeah, it sure looked like the Giants were very close. I had just assumed the Eagles offer blew the Giants offer away and that the Giants wouldn’t come close and made it easy for him to leave. That wasn’t the case, it seems.
All that wanting to be a Giant talk really does seem like total nonsense now.
The contract Schoen was referring to was the mid-season 2022 offer. They didn't offer Barkley a contract for 2024.
I think Schoen was pissed(he sarcastically mentions the contract Barley turned down) and the amount they offered. He was clearly angry about the tag negotiations and wanted no part of it again this year. It seemed he was convincing himself not wanting Barkley back.
Yes, there was clearly acrimony between Schoen and Barkley.
I’m guessing Ryan Cowden
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If anything, it shows me that there was absolutely no interest in JJ McCarthy.
Which shows that "a lot of what was reported both in the media and by the asshats" wasn't true.
I think only one or maybe two asshat said we liked McCarthy
-For all those that wanted more Daboll this episode you sure got it vintage.
-Saquon wanted no part of being here, and Schoen wanted no part of keeping him so there was 0% chance he was ever coming back. End of story.
-Schoen is running this team. There wasn't a Mara anywhere to be found at the combine. The concept that old man Mara is making any consequential decision on player personnel is a joke.
-As everyone is saying moving up to #3 was very real. They loved Maye. When they couldn't move up it was gonna be a WR.
- I agree with the gut feeling that Daboll pushed real hard for Nabors and that probably clinched it because Odunze is a really really clean prospect. I'd expect Nabors to be involved with just about everything we do from minute one.
Lastly Eric I'm not just saying this because it's your site, but any football thread you're heavily involved with is a home run.
Wasn't that McDonald in the press box saying he saw Daboll run across the street?
Is this an indication they were/are concerned about the high maintenance rumor (see: strip club video)? Or they think he just has an outgoing personality?
I don't read comments much on Twitter but when I do, BBI is still the go-to place for football discussion. Giants fans on X are a trainwreck.
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was so much from the episode... hearing from the actual scouts was great too.
Seeing YOUNG scouts and FO personnel means that Schoen is really running his show. His call to Saquon's agent was no bullshit data. You could tell he was done with the bullshit and ready to spend where it matters. I'm more confident than ever in this bunch.
What else struck me, not on Hard Knocks but Giants.com was the OL and TE interviews. We have legitimate veteran depth at TE, OL, something our best teams always had. I'm getting near Pollyanna territory but f it, we added a #1 WR, an Edge opposite Kayvon, two big skilled vet OGs, depth at TE and OL and more pieces in the secondary. And we have young dynamic WRs. It's all up to DJ now.
Yes, for those who have not watched the OL and TE interviews with Schmeelk, I recommend them.
there is a reasonable argument both ways but i think an edge bender like burns is just too hard to find elsewhere. also a couple years younger than wilkins. there's a reason he got tagged and had trade value, players like him at that age do not hit the open market.
since last summer it's been clear schoen didnt want to bring barkley back. i hope motor works out and does a good job but i think schoen dropped the ball on that one. the deal barkley's team proposed last year, encompassing the $10m from tag, was fair. ed berry clearly saw the writing on the wall and i thought it was interesting when he asked schoen point blank if they wanted to move on he answered like natalie imbruglia. i give him credit for taking the less comfortable path, but i dont think that's going to provide much respite if barkley gains 2k yards and 10+ tds in philly this year. hopefully that OL implodes without kelce. schoen's entire strategy in that negotiation was reactive vs proactive. i would have liked to see more of daboll's thoughts on that but it seems like the giants put a wall up on that.
Can't operate on the basis on what Philly may do. That's how we ended up with Ben McAdoo.
Clearly, he believes he can coach Daniel Jones up to success. The whole narrative about talking to the Pats about moving up to #3 was all couched in "...we have to protect ourselves due to DJ's injury history." not that he's not their guy.
The dinner shrimp cocktail scene goes into the.trash bin labeled Wastes of Time.
Schoen is an interesting guy. Acts chill while he speaks stress. Not a table banger. Straight with Saquon and agent Berry on the phone. Coolly pragmatic about RB falloff in general. Prods others for input as a good leader should. Love that he's always watching tape of potential acquisitions. That's the job.
CB starter jokes were not funny to me.
Dabes running the 40 jokes a bit overdone but amusing.