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im pretty sure in 10 years we are still going to be talking about HK  
Eric on Li : 7/10/2024 9:48 pm : link
and how awesome this was. hope the nyg dont take the wrong lessons from this and push back on doing something like this again.
I admit that I like it so far  
MNP70 : 7/10/2024 9:58 pm : link
and I thought Barkley came off like an ass. Did that conversation (between Schoen and Barkley) sound like a guy who wanted to be in the ring of honor or a lifetime Giant? Not from what I heard. I heard a number he wanted to be at and that's what was most important. And that's his prerogative. He's not a building block for the team anymore. Have a nice life.
So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
M.S. : 7/10/2024 10:04 pm : link
Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?
RE: So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
JOrthman : 7/10/2024 10:35 pm : link
In comment 16551481 M.S. said:
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Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?


I'm very curious about that. I watched both episodes tonight and I thought Rome came off better in what was shown.
RE: RE: So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
TommyWiseau : 7/10/2024 10:49 pm : link
In comment 16551488 JOrthman said:
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Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?



I'm very curious about that. I watched both episodes tonight and I thought Rome came off better in what was shown.


Agreed
RE: So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
blueblood : 7/10/2024 11:20 pm : link
In comment 16551481 M.S. said:
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Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?


Why do you assume that Schoen wanted Odunze over Nabers?
Listened to this today  
bwitz : 7/10/2024 11:54 pm : link
I loved hearing about how Coughlin scolded Eisen about taking a pic of him with his BlackBerry years ago.

He may be a bit hokey but, Eisen is one of the best.
RE: RE: So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
section125 : 7/11/2024 4:42 am : link
In comment 16551488 JOrthman said:
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Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?



I'm very curious about that. I watched both episodes tonight and I thought Rome came off better in what was shown.


Better than what? Rome was certainly more polished in his dictation. He did impress me there. Just goes with the differences in their personalities. One is a "dawg" the other just a more reserved personality. They both will do very well in the NFL.
RE: RE: So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
M.S. : 7/11/2024 7:22 am : link
In comment 16551500 blueblood said:
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Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?



Why do you assume that Schoen wanted Odunze over Nabers?

Maybe Joe Schoen was sold on Malik Nabers from the get-go... dunno. Was just wondering if Brandon Brown's comments influenced Joe Schoen's final decision.
RE: RE: RE: So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
JOrthman : 7/11/2024 7:27 am : link
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Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?



I'm very curious about that. I watched both episodes tonight and I thought Rome came off better in what was shown.



Better than what? Rome was certainly more polished in his dictation. He did impress me there. Just goes with the differences in their personalities. One is a "dawg" the other just a more reserved personality. They both will do very well in the NFL.


The clips they showed of him around his teammates and his answers in the interview. Even the Schoen was surprised how Nabers came off in the interview.
RE: RE: RE: So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
JOrthman : 7/11/2024 7:29 am : link
In comment 16551509 section125 said:
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Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?



I'm very curious about that. I watched both episodes tonight and I thought Rome came off better in what was shown.



Better than what? Rome was certainly more polished in his dictation. He did impress me there. Just goes with the differences in their personalities. One is a "dawg" the other just a more reserved personality. They both will do very well in the NFL.


That's just it though. He didn't come off as reserved and Schoen was surprised how Nabers came off based on the fact that he was a "dawg" in his games.
I felt like it was Daboll  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 7/11/2024 7:29 am : link
That pushed Nabers. He loved that Nabers has a personality similar to his own.

Wonder if that'll still be true in 3 months when MN is struggling to control himself at 1-6.

I do think Nabers is more explosive but this team needs a leader and Odunze looks like a 15 year Larry Fitz type of WR. Time will tell. Silver lining is Mara couldn't have meddled in this pick
RE: I felt like it was Daboll  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2024 7:38 am : link
In comment 16551526 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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That pushed Nabers. He loved that Nabers has a personality similar to his own.

Wonder if that'll still be true in 3 months when MN is struggling to control himself at 1-6.

I do think Nabers is more explosive but this team needs a leader and Odunze looks like a 15 year Larry Fitz type of WR. Time will tell. Silver lining is Mara couldn't have meddled in this pick


This 100%. I honestly love the interaction between the two. This has shades of Simms and Parcells. Daboll gets that football is emotional. You don't need a whole team of emotional players but you need some. They bring energy that the team feeds off of. He wants losing to hurt. He wants guys that are going to work their ass off and lead. You can tell why they targeted certain personalities. And it is crazy with these 3 top WR. Any other year, we'd easily take Rome. But you can tell Daboll wanted that grit.
RE: I felt like it was Daboll  
RCPhoenix : 7/11/2024 8:10 am : link
In comment 16551526 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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That pushed Nabers. He loved that Nabers has a personality similar to his own.

Wonder if that'll still be true in 3 months when MN is struggling to control himself at 1-6.

I do think Nabers is more explosive but this team needs a leader and Odunze looks like a 15 year Larry Fitz type of WR. Time will tell. Silver lining is Mara couldn't have meddled in this pick


And Daniel Jones.

This team badly needs an alpha #1 WR that can take over games. That’s Nabers.
RE: RE: I felt like it was Daboll  
56goat : 7/11/2024 8:10 am : link
In comment 16551531 robbieballs2003 said:
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That pushed Nabers. He loved that Nabers has a personality similar to his own.

Wonder if that'll still be true in 3 months when MN is struggling to control himself at 1-6.

I do think Nabers is more explosive but this team needs a leader and Odunze looks like a 15 year Larry Fitz type of WR. Time will tell. Silver lining is Mara couldn't have meddled in this pick



This 100%. I honestly love the interaction between the two. This has shades of Simms and Parcells. Daboll gets that football is emotional. You don't need a whole team of emotional players but you need some. They bring energy that the team feeds off of. He wants losing to hurt. He wants guys that are going to work their ass off and lead. You can tell why they targeted certain personalities. And it is crazy with these 3 top WR. Any other year, we'd easily take Rome. But you can tell Daboll wanted that grit.


I'll be loving it the first time Nabers gets in DJ's face and tells him to throw me the &^%$@# ball!
RE: So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
Biteymax22 : 7/11/2024 8:11 am : link
In comment 16551481 M.S. said:
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Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?


Sticking to a comment I made in the HD EP2 reaction thread yesterday. You had 3 WRs with very close grades, truth be told we should have been happy with any of the 3. What likely was the difference between Nabers and Odunze was that there is a role in Daboll's offense begging for Naber's exact skill set where he would have had to create something new for Odunze.

Watch what Daboll did with Stefon Diggs, now insert a significantly more explosive version of Stefon into that role and think about the possibilities.

It was likely Daboll who made the Nabers/Odunze call, which again, I don't think there is a wrong answer too.
RE: RE: RE: I felt like it was Daboll  
HBart : 7/11/2024 8:28 am : link
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That pushed Nabers. He loved that Nabers has a personality similar to his own.

Wonder if that'll still be true in 3 months when MN is struggling to control himself at 1-6.

I do think Nabers is more explosive but this team needs a leader and Odunze looks like a 15 year Larry Fitz type of WR. Time will tell. Silver lining is Mara couldn't have meddled in this pick



This 100%. I honestly love the interaction between the two. This has shades of Simms and Parcells. Daboll gets that football is emotional. You don't need a whole team of emotional players but you need some. They bring energy that the team feeds off of. He wants losing to hurt. He wants guys that are going to work their ass off and lead. You can tell why they targeted certain personalities. And it is crazy with these 3 top WR. Any other year, we'd easily take Rome. But you can tell Daboll wanted that grit.



I'll be loving it the first time Nabers gets in DJ's face and tells him to throw me the &^%$@# ball!

Why would you be loving that?
The Unique  
Costy16 : 7/11/2024 8:42 am : link
Part about this particular Hard Knocks is it gives the behind the scenes look into roster building. That's what I find so intriguing about it.
RE: RE: RE: I felt like it was Daboll  
Snorkels : 7/11/2024 9:19 am : link
In comment 16551542 56goat said:
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I'll be loving it the first time Nabers gets in DJ's face and tells him to throw me the &^%$@# ball!


Of course you will. Just like everyone on this board loved it when Shockey would get in Eli's face!
RE: I admit that I like it so far  
Section331 : 7/11/2024 9:33 am : link
In comment 16551475 MNP70 said:
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and I thought Barkley came off like an ass. Did that conversation (between Schoen and Barkley) sound like a guy who wanted to be in the ring of honor or a lifetime Giant? Not from what I heard. I heard a number he wanted to be at and that's what was most important. And that's his prerogative. He's not a building block for the team anymore. Have a nice life.


I think there was residual bad blood on both sides from the previous negotiations. I also believe that Saquon was paying lip service to the idea of being a NYG for life. I think he wanted out (and I can’t really blame him), and Schoen opened the door for him.
RE: So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
Section331 : 7/11/2024 9:35 am : link
In comment 16551481 M.S. said:
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Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?


I think Nabers was Dabs’ call. Brown clearly liked him to, but I think Dabs vote carried greater weight.
RE: I felt like it was Daboll  
Section331 : 7/11/2024 9:38 am : link
In comment 16551526 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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That pushed Nabers. He loved that Nabers has a personality similar to his own.

Wonder if that'll still be true in 3 months when MN is struggling to control himself at 1-6.

I do think Nabers is more explosive but this team needs a leader and Odunze looks like a 15 year Larry Fitz type of WR. Time will tell. Silver lining is Mara couldn't have meddled in this pick


I say this as someone who loved Odunze in the draft, but eff the leadership shit, this team needs talent, especially at WR. The leadership stuff will sort itself out, and if it doesn’t, that’s on Daboll.
RE: RE: So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
Section331 : 7/11/2024 9:42 am : link
In comment 16551544 Biteymax22 said:
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Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?



Sticking to a comment I made in the HD EP2 reaction thread yesterday. You had 3 WRs with very close grades, truth be told we should have been happy with any of the 3. What likely was the difference between Nabers and Odunze was that there is a role in Daboll's offense begging for Naber's exact skill set where he would have had to create something new for Odunze.

Watch what Daboll did with Stefon Diggs, now insert a significantly more explosive version of Stefon into that role and think about the possibilities.

It was likely Daboll who made the Nabers/Odunze call, which again, I don't think there is a wrong answer too.


That’s where I’m at as well. I think all 3 are going to be outstanding pros, but Daboll had to be salivating at Nabers’ skill set. I think he could have made very good use of Odunze, but Nabers already fit perfectly.

And mentioning Diggs is interesting. I wonder how much of his dissatisfaction in Buff was due to no longer being asked to do the thing Dabs let him do?
RE: RE: RE: So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
barens : 7/11/2024 9:57 am : link
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Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?



I'm very curious about that. I watched both episodes tonight and I thought Rome came off better in what was shown.



Better than what? Rome was certainly more polished in his dictation. He did impress me there. Just goes with the differences in their personalities. One is a "dawg" the other just a more reserved personality. They both will do very well in the NFL.


Not for nothing, but Odunzie is not a reserved personality. He's just more well spoken. They are both dogs tho.
Rich Eisen is the Rush Limbaugh of sport podcasts  
Fishmanjim57 : 7/11/2024 12:23 pm : link
I can't stand Rich Eisen. He's a self-centred jackass, and he should keep his opinions to himself when discussing the New York Football Giants, Eisen is a Jets fan, thus he is a Giants hater.
I kind of hope Nabers is a "good" influence on DJ with regard to  
GiantBlue : 7/11/2024 12:24 pm : link
doing a better job making quick, accurate passing decisions. Sometimes tough love is morale breaking but in some cases....it forces someone to up their game. Let's hope Nabers can up DJ's game. Because the options are awful behind DJ imho.
RE: I felt like it was Daboll  
JFIB : 7/11/2024 4:23 pm : link
In comment 16551526 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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That pushed Nabers. He loved that Nabers has a personality similar to his own.

Wonder if that'll still be true in 3 months when MN is struggling to control himself at 1-6.

I do think Nabers is more explosive but this team needs a leader and Odunze looks like a 15 year Larry Fitz type of WR. Time will tell. Silver lining is Mara couldn't have meddled in this pick


This is how I felt as well. I'm nervous about how Malik may respond if things aren't going well. Odunze looked like the consummate team leader. It actually surprises me that with all the talk of character and make up and team fit etc. they choose Nabers over Odunze.
RE: Rich Eisen is the Rush Limbaugh of sport podcasts  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/11/2024 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16551741 Fishmanjim57 said:
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I can't stand Rich Eisen. He's a self-centred jackass, and he should keep his opinions to himself when discussing the New York Football Giants, Eisen is a Jets fan, thus he is a Giants hater.

Rich Eisen's opinions about the NFL are infinitely more valuable than your opinion of Rich Eisen.
RE: RE: I felt like it was Daboll  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/11/2024 4:34 pm : link
In comment 16552040 JFIB said:
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That pushed Nabers. He loved that Nabers has a personality similar to his own.

Wonder if that'll still be true in 3 months when MN is struggling to control himself at 1-6.

I do think Nabers is more explosive but this team needs a leader and Odunze looks like a 15 year Larry Fitz type of WR. Time will tell. Silver lining is Mara couldn't have meddled in this pick



This is how I felt as well. I'm nervous about how Malik may respond if things aren't going well. Odunze looked like the consummate team leader. It actually surprises me that with all the talk of character and make up and team fit etc. they choose Nabers over Odunze.

Why are so many fans so obsessed with players who will be good soldiers when things are going poorly? Comfort in losing equals complacency, and being well-behaved is not the same as character.

Why wouldn't you want at least SOME players who will ruffle some feathers when those feathers have been mired in mediocrity for more than a decade?
RE: Rich Eisen is the Rush Limbaugh of sport podcasts  
bwitz : 7/11/2024 5:03 pm : link
In comment 16551741 Fishmanjim57 said:
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I can't stand Rich Eisen. He's a self-centred jackass, and he should keep his opinions to himself when discussing the New York Football Giants, Eisen is a Jets fan, thus he is a Giants hater.


Lmao. He’s not a Giants hater at all.
RE: RE: So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
clatterbuck : 12:13 pm : link
In comment 16551500 blueblood said:
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Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?



Why do you assume that Schoen wanted Odunze over Nabers?


Daboll seemed very enthusiastic about Nabers.
RE: RE: So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
5BowlsSoon : 1:34 pm : link
In comment 16551599 Section331 said:
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Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?



I think Nabers was Dabs’ call. Brown clearly liked him to, but I think Dabs vote carried greater weight.


Didn’t Dabs also like Kadarius Toney?
RE: Rich Eisen is the Rush Limbaugh of sport podcasts  
In comment 16551741 Fishmanjim57 said:
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I can't stand Rich Eisen. He's a self-centred jackass, and he should keep his opinions to himself when discussing the New York Football Giants, Eisen is a Jets fan, thus he is a Giants hater.


This is a non-sensical analogy. No offense?
RE: RE: RE: So was it Brandon Brown who sold Joe Schoen on  
Section331 : 2:10 pm : link
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Malik Nabers over Rome Odunze?



I think Nabers was Dabs’ call. Brown clearly liked him to, but I think Dabs vote carried greater weight.

Didn’t Dabs also like Kadarius Toney?


He sure didn't put up a fight when Schoen shipped Toney out of town.
I don't know how anyone can watch that clip  
Section331 : 2:24 pm : link
and think that Eisen hates the Giants. He was very complimentary, and really appreciated them giving us a real look under the hood. About the only negative thing he said was that he heard the Giants were over Jones, but I guess that's enough for the DJFC to think he's a hater.
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