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Lombardi: comparing the Giants to a failed business

Vin_Cuccs : 7/11/2024 9:47 am
Mike Lombardi is at it again...after viewing Hard Knocks, he tries to compare the Giants to Firestone Tires and the merger with Bridgestone Tires in 1988 with a source from MIT.

To make sweeping judgments from limited scenes and potentially scripted television programming seems a bit foolish.

He also gives no examples to support the claims he makes in this article. Just a very strange piece overall.

This article, and many of his "hot takes" on social media all seem like an attempt to peddle this new website/platform called The Daily Coach.

He does seem to have a fascination/vendetta against the Giants...

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RE: RE: Until the Giants show they can be a successful business,  
HomerJones45 : 7/11/2024 10:32 am : link
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he’s not wrong. I’m not sure how he would come to that conclusion based on this week’s HK, but he’s not wrong until he’s proven wrong.



Not to belabor the point but the Giants ARE a business and a very successful business at that. They are one of the top 10 most valuable sports franchises in the world worth over $5billion. In fact the value has appreciated by something in the order of $1.5B over the past five years. We should all be so incompetent!
Yes, as the old bootlegger Tim thought, having an exclusive franchise in anything in NYC is a good deal and when it's part of a monopoly with sharper minds in the League office guarding the income stream, even better. Just ask the Bidwells.
Why are people  
Doubledeuce22 : 7/11/2024 10:33 am : link
Getting butt hurt? The Giants have been basically the worst team in football for a decade.
RE: Why are people  
Optimus-NY : 7/11/2024 10:41 am : link
In comment 16551648 Doubledeuce22 said:
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Getting butt hurt? The Giants have been basically the worst team in football for a decade.


+1
4-12 in his one year as GM.  
bceagle05 : 7/11/2024 10:58 am : link
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RE: RE: Until the Giants show they can be a successful business,  
Scooter185 : 7/11/2024 11:06 am : link
In comment 16551638 Snorkels said:
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he’s not wrong. I’m not sure how he would come to that conclusion based on this week’s HK, but he’s not wrong until he’s proven wrong.



Not to belabor the point but the Giants ARE a business and a very successful business at that. They are one of the top 10 most valuable sports franchises in the world worth over $5billion. In fact the value has appreciated by something in the order of $1.5B over the past five years. We should all be so incompetent!


John Mara is successful because the NFL is successful and prints money.

If John was the owner of your local Italian restaurant he'd be getting his ass chewed out by Gordon Ramsey on an episode of Kitchen Nightmares, with the restaurant in danger of closing the doors in 4 weeks.

"I'd lose sleep if I had to take my Bolognese off the menu"
Some of you think NFL success or failure  
pjcas18 : 7/11/2024 11:10 am : link
at the franchise level is determined financially?

You miss the whole point of the league and you are as bad as Lombardi with context.
RE: Until the Giants ...  
whozzat : 7/11/2024 11:12 am : link
In comment 16551647 HomerJones45 said:
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.... having an exclusive franchise in anything in NYC is a good deal and when it's part of a monopoly with sharper minds in the League office guarding the income stream, even better. ....


Yeah, it is nice that there really hasn't been a competing franchise in New York for most of the time, isn't it... But maybe that isn't what you meant to say? Where's my glasses...
the guy  
Ron Johnson : 7/11/2024 11:25 am : link
needs to see a psychiatrist
RE: RE: RE: Until the Giants show they can be a successful business,  
Optimus-NY : 7/11/2024 11:25 am : link
In comment 16551676 Scooter185 said:
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he’s not wrong. I’m not sure how he would come to that conclusion based on this week’s HK, but he’s not wrong until he’s proven wrong.



Not to belabor the point but the Giants ARE a business and a very successful business at that. They are one of the top 10 most valuable sports franchises in the world worth over $5billion. In fact the value has appreciated by something in the order of $1.5B over the past five years. We should all be so incompetent!



John Mara is successful because the NFL is successful and prints money.

If John was the owner of your local Italian restaurant he'd be getting his ass chewed out by Gordon Ramsey on an episode of Kitchen Nightmares, with the restaurant in danger of closing the doors in 4 weeks.

"I'd lose sleep if I had to take my Bolognese off the menu"


Exactly THIS!!
Has Lombardi compared the giants  
JT039 : 7/11/2024 11:28 am : link
Recently to his tenure as GM? Or is our franchise not that pathetic yet?
RE: RE: Until the Giants show they can be a successful business,  
56goat : 7/11/2024 11:36 am : link
In comment 16551638 Snorkels said:
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he’s not wrong. I’m not sure how he would come to that conclusion based on this week’s HK, but he’s not wrong until he’s proven wrong.



Not to belabor the point but the Giants ARE a business and a very successful business at that. They are one of the top 10 most valuable sports franchises in the world worth over $5billion. In fact the value has appreciated by something in the order of $1.5B over the past five years. We should all be so incompetent!


True, the Giants (and the Yankees) are very successful companies, in the case of the Giants, despite the product they put out. Neither team has to do anything they don't want to do.
RE: Has Lombardi compared the giants  
Blue21 : 7/11/2024 11:53 am : link
In comment 16551704 JT039 said:
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Recently to his tenure as GM? Or is our franchise not that pathetic yet?
Best comment yet.
RE: My hot take: running down the NYG gets him the most clicks  
mfsd : 7/11/2024 11:59 am : link
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Bingo. Best course is to ignore him (and stop starting threads about whatever new drivel he comes out with)
RE: RE: Easy to pile on right now,  
barens : 7/11/2024 12:14 pm : link
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but a failed business wouldn't have 4 Super Bowl rings.



First part 100% easy to kick someone when they're down, second part, WTF? Blockbuster (for example) was once a $6B per year revenue company part of the S&P 500. What have they done lately? Businesses can fail after success and the historical success doesn't preclude the business from failing nor is it particularly relevant.

that said, this Lombardi shit is stupid, and I wish people would stop sharing it.


Pjacs, of course, you can't be comparing the Giants to Blockbuster? I mean, I know 2 playoff seasons in 12 years(one of them being less than 2 years ago), but there are franchises much worse than us.

And I think given the Giants history, ruts are common, but so is turning things around.
Me: comparing Lombardi to a failed CEO  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2024 12:17 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Easy to pile on right now,  
Scooter185 : 7/11/2024 12:19 pm : link
In comment 16551734 barens said:
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but a failed business wouldn't have 4 Super Bowl rings.



First part 100% easy to kick someone when they're down, second part, WTF? Blockbuster (for example) was once a $6B per year revenue company part of the S&P 500. What have they done lately? Businesses can fail after success and the historical success doesn't preclude the business from failing nor is it particularly relevant.

that said, this Lombardi shit is stupid, and I wish people would stop sharing it.



Pjacs, of course, you can't be comparing the Giants to Blockbuster? I mean, I know 2 playoff seasons in 12 years(one of them being less than 2 years ago), but there are franchises much worse than us.

And I think given the Giants history, ruts are common, but so is turning things around.


Blockbuster failed to adapt (the could have bought Netflix) and were left behind.

Sounds about right
I was not comparing the Giants  
pjcas18 : 7/11/2024 12:29 pm : link
directly to Blockbuster (though as one poster pointed out there are similarities) I was simply highlighting a company who at one time had achieved the heights of success, but then didn't and the historical success did nothing to change the fact they were accurately described at one time as a failed business.
Giants have 4 Superbowls and 2 in recent memory.  
Andy in Halifax : 7/11/2024 12:32 pm : link
Results have been bad the past decade however, no question and that was a result (imo) of a string of bad hires. Marc Ross started it, then poor coaching choices of Shurmer and Judge contributed mightily to the poor results. Gettleman was awful. Shurmer maybe got a bad rap but I think its fair to say he wasn't a good head coach. Judge was a total disaster. McAdoo.. you can decide for yourself I guess.

So if you wanted to pin point a reason... I would say it was poor hiring practices. It also appears that they have made changes to those practices with Shoen and Daboll so hopefully we are trending upwards and will see better results moving forward.

However... to compare the Giants to a failed business is beyond insane. By any and all measure "as a business" the Giants are incredibly successful.
I do think the Giants have tried  
Dnew15 : 7/11/2024 12:34 pm : link
to adapt - it just didn't work.

The only outlier in my opinion was Barkley.
RE: Giants have 4 Superbowls and 2 in recent memory.  
rsjem1979 : 7/11/2024 12:40 pm : link
In comment 16551751 Andy in Halifax said:
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Results have been bad the past decade however, no question and that was a result (imo) of a string of bad hires. Marc Ross started it, then poor coaching choices of Shurmer and Judge contributed mightily to the poor results. Gettleman was awful. Shurmer maybe got a bad rap but I think its fair to say he wasn't a good head coach. Judge was a total disaster. McAdoo.. you can decide for yourself I guess.

So if you wanted to pin point a reason... I would say it was poor hiring practices. It also appears that they have made changes to those practices with Shoen and Daboll so hopefully we are trending upwards and will see better results moving forward.

However... to compare the Giants to a failed business is beyond insane. By any and all measure "as a business" the Giants are incredibly successful.


Super Bowl XXI and XXV were 37 and 33 years ago, respectively, so I don't know about "recent memory" on that one. And if we're being honest, those only happened because they Giants were a complete calamity and were bailed out by Pete Rozelle and subsequently George Young.

For the record, the Young line-of-succession also built the 2007 and 2011 champs, so perhaps the Mara family business isn't as strong as four Super Bowls would suggest.
Do you really think I was referring to Super Bowl XXI and XXV  
Andy in Halifax : 7/11/2024 12:42 pm : link
as the two in recent memory?
RE: Do you really think I was referring to Super Bowl XXI and XXV  
rsjem1979 : 7/11/2024 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16551763 Andy in Halifax said:
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as the two in recent memory?


I can't read.
His cheerleaders in this thread  
UberAlias : 7/11/2024 12:49 pm : link
Are clowns, just like him.
RE: I do think the Giants have tried  
bw in dc : 7/11/2024 12:50 pm : link
In comment 16551753 Dnew15 said:
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to adapt - it just didn't work.

The only outlier in my opinion was Barkley.


I don't have an issue with Lombardi consistently targeting NYG, but NYG did finally pivot by hiring a GM not baptized in the Giants Way. So, we are now testing whether that hire/change was the right one.

He seems to be suggesting that Schoen does not have autonomy. I beg to differ...


And by the way, yes, he is wrong, as a matter of fact  
UberAlias : 7/11/2024 12:59 pm : link
Pointing to doing things the same old way in reference to HK where the main story line is Saquan --who they moved on from because they're clearly looking to move on from an offense that is built around a RB, is blatant clue that this guy doesn't get it. And of course there are many here applauding him, because they applaud any negativity thrown this team's way, have their heads in their ass too.
Lombardi should go get his shine box.  
MOOPS : 7/11/2024 1:26 pm : link
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Lombardi is an idiot  
Larry in Pencilvania : 7/11/2024 1:26 pm : link
The Giants are valued between $6 & $7 billion and are one of the highest valued NFL franchises. I'm spite of the Mara family, the Giants are a money making machine.

Now if you want to say the on field product sucks and that the Maras can't get out of their own way then that's more than fair.

Lombardi hasn't done shit and he's got a huge issue with the Giants
Why  
whispa : 7/11/2024 1:43 pm : link
Why give morons like this air by clicking on his article links?
RE: Lombardi is an idiot  
bw in dc : 7/11/2024 1:48 pm : link
In comment 16551825 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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The Giants are valued between $6 & $7 billion and are one of the highest valued NFL franchises. I'm spite of the Mara family, the Giants are a money making machine.

Now if you want to say the on field product sucks and that the Maras can't get out of their own way then that's more than fair.


Lombardi is obviously talking about their football operations and the inability to put together a winning team. And why.



RE: Man  
Wiggy : 7/11/2024 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16551609 Bleedin Blue said:
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Did someone from the Giants org bang his mother; he really has a hatred for the team
he probably noticed he gets his highest view totals when he bashes the giants. Clicks are his paycheck. If bashing the panthers scored him high click rates he would bash them more.

What can we do to change this? Don’t click on his shit
RE: RE: My hot take: running down the NYG gets him the most clicks  
Wiggy : 7/11/2024 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16551726 mfsd said:
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Bingo. Best course is to ignore him (and stop starting threads about whatever new drivel he comes out with)
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The business model  
Snorkels : 7/11/2024 1:58 pm : link
Comparing the Giants to a company like Blockbuster really doesn't understand the NFL business model. The Giants in reality are not a private business. They are one of 32 franchises across the country of the NFL 'company'. And like the rest of the league the Giants are severely limited by league rules as to what they can do. Need a player in the NFL; well you just can't go out and hire the best guy avaialble to you. You can't even do that with new recruits coming out of college. And you're constrained by what you can pay in salaries not by how much you make or want to invest but by an arbitrary cap assigned by the mother company.

Second, let's talk about what is the goal of an NFL franchise. Listen to people here the only goal is to win championships and the Giants have won more than all but 4 other teams; in fact, 11 of the 32 teams have never won any. And can we talk about all those other well run franchises. Lets start with the Jets across the hall; haven't won a SB in over 50 years and haven't even been in the playoffs at all for something like 13 years. And how about them Dolphins; haven't won a SB in over 45 years and haven't won a playoff game in 23 years; the Raiders - no SB in over 40 years and no playoff wins in 18 years. Even those Dallas Cowboys, the richest team in the NFL haven't won a SB in almost 30 years, a period in which they haven't won a playoff game other than a wild card game. I could go or ask how many of those teams would be willing to trade their rousing successes of the past decade for four Super Bowl wins.

No question the Giants have been thru a miserable stretch, but every team has them in a cyclical league where there is no competitive edge for anybody. So can we just focus on getting better rather than making stupid specious comparisons.
The team’s won-loss record since their last Super Bowl  
M.S. : 7/11/2024 2:36 pm : link
Is dismal. Make that worse than dismal. But I can assure you John Mara is printing money in his sleep. Lots of it.
The goal is to win a championship  
pjcas18 : 7/11/2024 3:08 pm : link
if you don't you fail. There are some successes you can have and you can be trending in a positive direction or not but it's black and white. If you can't equate that to a business failure, you don't have the non-linear comprehension skills to succeed in life.

it's that simple. The Jets being a failed franchise too, does nothing to change the Giants have a decade plus of failure.

Pointing out the Jets (or any other team failure) to indicate the Giants haven't failed lately is like one of my friend used to do when we'd bust his balls, he'd point at our fat friend and say "look how fat Doug is"

The Pittsburgh Pirates make a profit, are they a successful MLB franchise? They have more world series wins than 20-something other franchises. I hope you can see the lack of relevance anything historic has to the current. Sports is the epitome of a "what have you done for me lately" business. Nothing exemplifies that more than living in Boston.





also Lombardi: trolling Giants fans as a sustainable business model  
Eric on Li : 7/11/2024 3:13 pm : link
you guys are stuck in a troll's vortex. ignore and move on. or ask him what football genius he foresaw in david tepper and mark davis hiring matt rhule and josh mcdaniels (other than his sons tagging along on their staffs).
Lombardi has crossed the rubicon  
BlackLight : 7/11/2024 3:36 pm : link
He's no longer in the business of imparting a former insider's analysis on the goings-on in the NFL. He's now in the business of sports punditry, getting attention for saying attention-getting things. He's basically Colin Cowherd, or his lickspittle assistant, Jason McIntyre.

The other day when he seemed to seriously wonder aloud why the Giants didn't just cut Jones's salary and offer to pay it back to him on a per-active game basis basically proves this. No former GM seriously asks that question. Only a talking head who knows how ridiculous the question is, but needs the attention for however he can monetize it.
Snorkels is right  
mittenedman : 7/11/2024 9:15 pm : link
They of course want to win a Championship, but the goal is forwarding the wealth of the league first and foremost. If you can win a championship too, even better.

The NFL's business model is paying QBs top $$$. (They want their QBs to be highly paid celebrities.) It adds popularity to the league, which adds $$$ in everyone's pocket. Fans and other players bitch and moan and cry overpay.

At the owner level, it's bigger than individual teams winning and losing. It is what it is.
He was the GM in Cleveland one season with a 4-12 record and was fired  
steve in ky : 7/11/2024 9:44 pm : link
Nobody has hired him to the position since.

RE: RE: Lombardi is an idiot  
Larry in Pencilvania : 7/11/2024 10:06 pm : link
In comment 16551844 bw in dc said:
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The Giants are valued between $6 & $7 billion and are one of the highest valued NFL franchises. I'm spite of the Mara family, the Giants are a money making machine.

Now if you want to say the on field product sucks and that the Maras can't get out of their own way then that's more than fair.




Lombardi is obviously talking about their football operations and the inability to put together a winning team. And why.




bw I know exactly what he means. I can always count on you with the condescending take. They're printing money hand over fist. Mara can't get out of the way and let those running the football operation do their jobs.

RE: Some of you think NFL success or failure  
MNP70 : 7/12/2024 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16551684 pjcas18 said:
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at the franchise level is determined financially?

You miss the whole point of the league and you are as bad as Lombardi with context.


Just because YOU judge a team's record as its ultimate determination of success does not mean everyone does. That's why you're a fan, not a business owner. If you were, you'd know that a 13% increase in your bottom line from last year is a huge success. KC is at 16%, while the Raiders were at 22%. If you stopped giving a shit about the record year after year and stopped watching football, then maybe there'd be more of an incentive to make the product better. Therefore, maybe YOU'RE part of the problem. Ever think of that?
RE: Until the Giants show they can be a successful business,  
section125 : 7/12/2024 4:38 pm : link
In comment 16551610 Section331 said:
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he’s not wrong. I’m not sure how he would come to that conclusion based on this week’s HK, but he’s not wrong until he’s proven wrong.


Yeah, a team worth 6 fucking billion dollars is a failure.....
RE: RE: Until the Giants show they can be a successful business,  
rsjem1979 : 7/12/2024 4:48 pm : link
In comment 16552542 section125 said:
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he’s not wrong. I’m not sure how he would come to that conclusion based on this week’s HK, but he’s not wrong until he’s proven wrong.



Yeah, a team worth 6 fucking billion dollars is a failure.....


It would be practically impossible at this stage for the Giants to be a financial failure, so I don't know why people insist on using that as a measure of the franchise's success.

For 12 years they have been an on-field failure, much like they were for nearly two decades before Pete Rozelle rescued the Mara family from their own pig-headed stupidity.

I think everyone knows that's what's being discussed here, except for the willfully obtuse.
RE: RE: Until the Giants show they can be a successful business,  
MNP70 : 7/12/2024 4:50 pm : link
In comment 16552542 section125 said:
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he’s not wrong. I’m not sure how he would come to that conclusion based on this week’s HK, but he’s not wrong until he’s proven wrong.



Yeah, a team worth 6 fucking billion dollars is a failure.....


The real question here is whether section125 could throw a snowball and hit Section331?
RE: RE: Some of you think NFL success or failure  
pjcas18 : 7/12/2024 5:33 pm : link
In comment 16552539 MNP70 said:
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at the franchise level is determined financially?

You miss the whole point of the league and you are as bad as Lombardi with context.



Just because YOU judge a team's record as its ultimate determination of success does not mean everyone does. That's why you're a fan, not a business owner. If you were, you'd know that a 13% increase in your bottom line from last year is a huge success. KC is at 16%, while the Raiders were at 22%. If you stopped giving a shit about the record year after year and stopped watching football, then maybe there'd be more of an incentive to make the product better. Therefore, maybe YOU'RE part of the problem. Ever think of that?


Fair enough and I don't own a team so it's my opinion, but I doubt owners view their franchises successful based on finances. The whole league is profitable, every single team.

Do you think they are all successful because of that? And you think 32 owners are satisfied?

Perhaps it is you who has the warped view of how owners view success. Most (or many) of these guys were/are billionaires before becoming sports franchise owners. I bet they put titles ahead of $$$. I know for example Steve Cohen (Mets owner) doesn't view the Mets as successful and he's making money.

The Maras and Rooneys are becoming anachronisms and soon the whole league will just be a billionaires club.

RE: RE: RE: Until the Giants show they can be a successful business,  
Bob in VA : 7/12/2024 5:51 pm : link


I think everyone knows that's what's being discussed here, except for the willfully obtuse. [/quote]

It’s not being obtuse when pointing out when perspectives make no sense. Are the Giants losing games? Yes. And for a long time. But this does not mean the franchise is a failure, or is poorly led. Want to complain about players performances? Sure. Bad coaching decisions? Absolutely. Questionable contracts? Fine. But none of these mean the franchise is a failure.
RE: RE: RE: Some of you think NFL success or failure  
MNP70 : 7/12/2024 6:04 pm : link
In comment 16552588 pjcas18 said:
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at the franchise level is determined financially?

You miss the whole point of the league and you are as bad as Lombardi with context.



Just because YOU judge a team's record as its ultimate determination of success does not mean everyone does. That's why you're a fan, not a business owner. If you were, you'd know that a 13% increase in your bottom line from last year is a huge success. KC is at 16%, while the Raiders were at 22%. If you stopped giving a shit about the record year after year and stopped watching football, then maybe there'd be more of an incentive to make the product better. Therefore, maybe YOU'RE part of the problem. Ever think of that?



Fair enough and I don't own a team so it's my opinion, but I doubt owners view their franchises successful based on finances. The whole league is profitable, every single team.

Do you think they are all successful because of that? And you think 32 owners are satisfied?

Perhaps it is you who has the warped view of how owners view success. Most (or many) of these guys were/are billionaires before becoming sports franchise owners. I bet they put titles ahead of $$$. I know for example Steve Cohen (Mets owner) doesn't view the Mets as successful and he's making money.

The Maras and Rooneys are becoming anachronisms and soon the whole league will just be a billionaires club.


Great question. But I honestly believe that winning super bowls in not an owner's priority. I just don't. There's overwhelming proof of that. There are stil1 12 teams that have not won a SB. Cleveland still hasn't been in one! And to further back that point, the NFL owners have been a billionaires club for decades now.

Now, if an ownership group had performance based standards on whether they'd have a franchise that was dependent on winning %, or primetime games or playoff appearances, I think you'd see a drastically different approach of on field success.
RE: Until the Giants show they can be a successful business,  
mfjmfj : 7/15/2024 8:22 am : link
In comment 16551610 Section331 said:
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he’s not wrong. I’m not sure how he would come to that conclusion based on this week’s HK, but he’s not wrong until he’s proven wrong.


Umm .. they do run a successful business. They make a lot of money and a lot of profit. You might not like the product, but to say it is unsuccessful as a business is wrong.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Some of you think NFL success or failure  
pjcas18 : 7/15/2024 8:26 am : link
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at the franchise level is determined financially?

You miss the whole point of the league and you are as bad as Lombardi with context.



Just because YOU judge a team's record as its ultimate determination of success does not mean everyone does. That's why you're a fan, not a business owner. If you were, you'd know that a 13% increase in your bottom line from last year is a huge success. KC is at 16%, while the Raiders were at 22%. If you stopped giving a shit about the record year after year and stopped watching football, then maybe there'd be more of an incentive to make the product better. Therefore, maybe YOU'RE part of the problem. Ever think of that?



Fair enough and I don't own a team so it's my opinion, but I doubt owners view their franchises successful based on finances. The whole league is profitable, every single team.

Do you think they are all successful because of that? And you think 32 owners are satisfied?

Perhaps it is you who has the warped view of how owners view success. Most (or many) of these guys were/are billionaires before becoming sports franchise owners. I bet they put titles ahead of $$$. I know for example Steve Cohen (Mets owner) doesn't view the Mets as successful and he's making money.

The Maras and Rooneys are becoming anachronisms and soon the whole league will just be a billionaires club.




Great question. But I honestly believe that winning super bowls in not an owner's priority. I just don't. There's overwhelming proof of that. There are stil1 12 teams that have not won a SB. Cleveland still hasn't been in one! And to further back that point, the NFL owners have been a billionaires club for decades now.

Now, if an ownership group had performance based standards on whether they'd have a franchise that was dependent on winning %, or primetime games or playoff appearances, I think you'd see a drastically different approach of on field success.


Ok, if the owners priority is not a title, but profits, why do so many GMs and coaches get fired for consistently losing? Even the Browns, who ranked lowest in the NFL made $105M in operating income last reported year (2022).

The NFL teams are still all going to be profitable even if in-game attendance falls to all time lows (my guess), but you still see turnover, at sometimes very fast rates, for losing front offices and coaching staffs?

I'm old enough  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/15/2024 8:34 am : link
to remember that it was unheard of to see an empty seat in Giants Stadium, even during a terrible season.

There is more antipathy about the Giants now than any moment in my entire lifetime.

But "successful business!"

GTFO
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christian : 7/15/2024 8:54 am : link
The shared revenue through media deals and other pooled revenue not only makes up the majority of the revenue for teams, but also covers the operating obligations. Once you pass the large barrier of entry of ownership, you're virtually guaranteed a small profit.

So now the incremental profit is driven by day-of revenue and non-football revenue.

The Giants and Jets enjoy the fact that they play in the biggest vacation destination by volume and dollars spent in the US. They have no problem selling tickets, even if they go unused. The "loser" in that equation is the aftermarket. But obviously the economics are working out for them.

And then of course MetLife hosts 15-20 premium concerts, and another dozen smaller events.

That's why the Giants and Jets are 2 of the three worst teams over the last decade, and enjoying record value.
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