Former CB Peterson criticizes Jones play

In comment 16552232 JoeSchoens11 said:

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In comment 16552229 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 16552214 Milton said: Quote: Which is what made it a fair fight! We got to see Daniel Jones going up against defenders that were the equal of his protection and receivers. In 2022, Mac Jones, former first round pick and now NFL back-up, marched into Minnesota and lit them up for nearly 400 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, and nearly 10 YPA. For FY 2022, Mac Jones finished 28th in the NFL in QBR, 25th in passing TDs, 26th in YPA, and tied for 5th in INTs. In other words, even during a pathetic season of performance, Mac Jones looked competent against that hideous Vikings D. For the FY 2022, Daniel Jones finished 6th in the NFL in QBR, led an above-average scoring offense, and had the best Int%. In other words, even during a very good season of performance, Daniel Jones was competent against the league beyond that hideous Vikings D.

The NFL average points scored by team in 2022 was 371. The Giants scored 365.

You might want to learn what "above average" means.

In comment 16552249 Milton said:

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In comment 16552229 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 16552214 Milton said: Quote: Which is what made it a fair fight! We got to see Daniel Jones going up against defenders that were the equal of his protection and receivers. In 2022, Mac Jones, former first round pick and now NFL back-up, marched into Minnesota and lit them up for nearly 400 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, and nearly 10 YPA. For FY 2022, Mac Jones finished 28th in the NFL in QBR, 25th in passing TDs, 26th in YPA, and tied for 5th in INTs. In other words, even during a pathetic season of performance, Mac Jones looked competent against that hideous Vikings D. The Patriots lost that game. Meanwhile, in two games against the Vikings that year, Aaron Rodgers couldn't top 200 yards in either of them (one of which was a loss). Daniel Jones, Mac Jones, Aaron Rodgers: three peas in a pod according to your logic. And neither Mac nor Aaron could claim to have nearly as pitiful a set of receivers nor as porous an offensive line. Why is it so impossible for people on BBI to concede a point? Instead you opt for irrelevant misdirection.

Embarrassing.

I think any single year snap shot is interesting, and just tells part of the story. Jones was certainly efficient in 2022. He was also pretty lucky.

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Jones had just five interceptions in 2022, but he had 19 turnover-worthy plays. That 14-play difference was the fourth-highest number in the league. On average, quarterbacks got lucky 41.7% of the time and had a turnover-worthy play result in a non-interception. Jones, by comparison, got lucky a whopping 73.7% of the time, the highest rate in the NFL. He had 11.08 expected interceptions but just five actual picks.

There are positive and negative signals in the advanced metrics, so I am not inclined to project a big swing either way in 2024.

In comment 16552298 Toth029 said:

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Remember it was Ronde who took some remarks directed to Eli back prior to their playoff game. After Eli and the Giants dominated them, Ronde didn't really back off or anything but said we're all professionals, they don't need us to make them play better. Essentially some players, notably DB's and WR's, run their mouths a lot and tend to shut up when proven wrong. So sure, Peterson is right, Daniel has some problems with pocket presence, processing and everybody on BBI knows that. But Peterson also knows what Daniel did to his own defense the previous two times they met. To me, it's whatever. On Jacobs' podcast, he could have laid it out better and said he does have problems like many QB's do, and needs to improve on x and x. And talked about what Daniel did in those Viking games where Peterson and his DB's looked like they didn't belong on the field.

Exactly! I don't take what other players say as gospel. We have all these former players that have different opinions when watching the same game film. We just tend to site the ones that fit our own narrative here.

In comment 16551959 Johnny5 said:

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Yes or just regular fans like the rest of us with malfunctioning egos that have the need to be 100% black and white right - slinking away when it appears they maybe were wrong, coming back in full force and dooshbagging it over anyone with an even slightly different opinion (including very clearly the coaching staff and FO) when things go south. And On 7,853,465 threads every day, contorting in every way possible to fit whatever data they can find to echo the Mara conspiracy narrative, rehashing the same tired comments over, and over, and over, and over again. Cool.

Golf clap.

Speaking of regular fans that support their team and players, I’ve reached a point where I’m torn. Torn between wanting to see Jones make these posters slink away again and finding a new QB that plays a brand of football I may enjoy more.

Obviously winning is what matters but as I age I find that I prefer a brand of football and QB play, that may never return. I enjoyed Jones style his rookie year. He was aggressive. I appreciate the improvements he’s made from a TO% but I hope Daboll can get him to “let it rip” again.

I do not enjoy the “chicken with it’s head cut off” brand that seems to be taking over. Yes Mahomes magic can be fun but can we ever get back to routinely hitting a 15 yard dig off a perfectly timed and blocked 5 step drop?

In comment 16551755 darren in pdx said:

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not wrong. Still wouldn’t be surprised if Prescott is the Giants QB next season.

Cousins

Jones has difficulty reading the field, locks on the primary target and rarely lets go, and lacks a quick release. With an improved OL and better receivers, the Giants passing attack will be improved, but Jones will continue to have these deficiencies.