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Hip-Drop Tackle: New Penalty the 2024 NFL Season

solarmike : 7/11/2024 12:58 pm
Article from Sharp Football Analysis.

Worth a read:

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The hip-drop tackle penalty consists of two sections.

“Section A” states that a hip-drop tackle can only occur if a defender “grabs the runner with both hands or wraps the runner with both arms” as the starting point, which is easy to understand. This occurs with the majority of tackles in the NFL.

“Section B” of the hip-drop tackle rule is where things get interesting and referee subjectivity kicks into high gear.

If the defensive player fulfills the conditions in “Section A” and then “un-weighs himself by swiveling and dropping his hips and/or lower body, landing on and trapping the runner’s leg(s) at or below the knee,” that will be considered a hip-drop tackle.

What is a Hip-Drop Tackle & How Will the New Penalty Affect the 2024 NFL Season? - ( New Window )
Why don't they just play two-hand touch?  
Red Dog : 7/11/2024 1:04 pm : link
That's where they are going with all these rule changes.

Screw the NFL.
This and roughing the passer should trigger an automatic booth review  
Mellowmood92 : 7/11/2024 1:05 pm : link
Similar to flagrant fouls in the NBA and major penalties in the NHL.

They happen way too fast and are way too subjective to be left up to on the field calls.
It looks to me like there are really 3 parts to a hip drop tackle:  
NBGblue : 7/11/2024 1:18 pm : link
(1) grab offensive player with both arms;

(2) drop hips to pull down offensive player; and

(3) landing on and trapping the runner’s leg(s) at or below the knee.

Many tackles will involve the first two parts, but probably not so many will include the third.
RE: It looks to me like there are really 3 parts to a hip drop tackle:  
solarmike : 7/11/2024 1:27 pm : link
Agreed.

In comment 16551810 NBGblue said:
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(1) grab offensive player with both arms;

(2) drop hips to pull down offensive player; and

(3) landing on and trapping the runner’s leg(s) at or below the knee.

Many tackles will involve the first two parts, but probably not so many will include the third.
This is the tackle that ended Jordan Travis’  
BigBlueBuff : 7/11/2024 2:25 pm : link
season at FSU last year. Good riddance, and like the horse collar it won’t be missed.
RE: Why don't they just play two-hand touch?  
ChrisRick : 7/11/2024 2:34 pm : link
In comment 16551793 Red Dog said:
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That's where they are going with all these rule changes.

Screw the NFL.


I take it that you don't trust the NFL's view that the hip-drop tackle is harmful and dangerous.
ChrisRick  
Red Dog : 7/11/2024 2:38 pm : link
I have been watching pro football for many decades. I do not trust NFL officials to get calls on this right, or the league to intervene to correct them when necessary.

Also, NFL rules are in a long progression of softening up the game. Today's game is already two hand touch compared to what it was a couple of decades ago.
RE: ChrisRick  
ChrisRick : 7/11/2024 2:42 pm : link
In comment 16551908 Red Dog said:
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I have been watching pro football for many decades. I do not trust NFL officials to get calls on this right, or the league to intervene to correct them when necessary.

Also, NFL rules are in a long progression of softening up the game. Today's game is already two hand touch compared to what it was a couple of decades ago.


Alright. Just because things were done a certain way yesterday does not mean they were good. I don't necessarily trust the NFL or anyone organization with that much power, but getting rid of the hip-drop tackle seems like a good idea to help protect the players from severe injuries from a non-necessary form of tackling.
I was re-watching the final game of the year last night  
JFIB : 7/11/2024 2:45 pm : link
Against the Eagles. I think it was McCloud who took down AJ Brown with a hip drop tackle that sent Brown to the tent. I believe he played the following week so he wasn't severely injured but it sure looked like it at the time. The announcers were talking about the tackle and said McCloud did not land on his legs so it wouldn't have qualified for the rule change this season but watching it in real time, I c certainly would not feel confident that refs would get that call correctly on the field. This is going to be a subject of some debate at least half the time this gets called in a game.
RE: This is the tackle that ended Jordan Travis’  
81_Great_Dane : 7/11/2024 3:47 pm : link
In comment 16551894 BigBlueBuff said:
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season at FSU last year. Good riddance, and like the horse collar it won’t be missed.
This.
I am one that hates a lot of the new rules.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2024 3:52 pm : link
With that said, this is the correct response. However, the reason this is even an issue anymore is because you can't hit on defense anymore. The hip drop tackle really evolved from the other rules against tackling.
The problem isn't in the rule  
Gman11 : 7/11/2024 4:25 pm : link
it's the referee's call on the field. How many roughing the passer penalties are there where the defensive player barely breathes on the QB? How many pass interference penalties where somebody actually makes a good play? How many holding penalties where there wasn't any holding?
RE: This is the tackle that ended Jordan Travis’  
k2tampa : 7/11/2024 6:18 pm : link
In comment 16551894 BigBlueBuff said:
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season at FSU last year. Good riddance, and like the horse collar it won’t be missed.


Yeah, it won't be a problem when you can't tackle a guy from behind. The only way to do it now, unless you're faster than the ballcarrier, is to dive for his knees. That isn't dangerous. Can't wait to see some 290 pound DE chasing Jones out of the pocket dive into the back of his legs.
RE: RE: This is the tackle that ended Jordan Travis’  
section125 : 7/11/2024 6:39 pm : link
In comment 16552105 k2tampa said:
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season at FSU last year. Good riddance, and like the horse collar it won’t be missed.



Yeah, it won't be a problem when you can't tackle a guy from behind. The only way to do it now, unless you're faster than the ballcarrier, is to dive for his knees. That isn't dangerous. Can't wait to see some 290 pound DE chasing Jones out of the pocket dive into the back of his legs.


Can't hit a QB that low...
RE: RE: This is the tackle that ended Jordan Travis’  
BH28 : 7/11/2024 6:39 pm : link
In comment 16552105 k2tampa said:
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season at FSU last year. Good riddance, and like the horse collar it won’t be missed.



Yeah, it won't be a problem when you can't tackle a guy from behind. The only way to do it now, unless you're faster than the ballcarrier, is to dive for his knees. That isn't dangerous. Can't wait to see some 290 pound DE chasing Jones out of the pocket dive into the back of his legs.


That's not at all how a hip tackle works. You can still tackle a guy from behind, you just can't use your bodyweight to land on their legs. If you think it can't be done, watch a rugby match. They banned hip drop and tackle from behind all the time.
They should ban it  
Joe Beckwith : 7/11/2024 8:24 pm : link
In steer wrestling also.🙃
If you buy a junk car for $500 you take care of it different from  
Marty in Albany : 7/11/2024 10:15 pm : link
a $100,000 Corvette.

When a team owner invests tens of millions of dollars in a player, he doesn't want the paint scratched.
RE: RE: RE: This is the tackle that ended Jordan Travis’  
k2tampa : 7/12/2024 8:52 am : link
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season at FSU last year. Good riddance, and like the horse collar it won’t be missed.



Yeah, it won't be a problem when you can't tackle a guy from behind. The only way to do it now, unless you're faster than the ballcarrier, is to dive for his knees. That isn't dangerous. Can't wait to see some 290 pound DE chasing Jones out of the pocket dive into the back of his legs.



Can't hit a QB that low...


You can when he leaves the pocket. And of course that doesn't help RBs and receivers.
If you watch LT’s compilation of great hits, etc  
pivo : 7/15/2024 12:32 am : link
He knew how to tackle. Lots of tackles from behind, but 90% of the time he would turn the player sideways so he landed on the ground behind the ball carrier (“spooning”, if you would). IMO, drop hip tackles are by untrained, lazy tacklers.
RE: If you watch LT’s compilation of great hits, etc  
pivo : 7/15/2024 12:34 am : link
In comment 16553500 pivo said:
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He knew how to tackle. Lots of tackles from behind, but 90% of the time he would turn the player sideways so he landed on the ground behind the ball carrier (“spooning”, if you would). IMO, drop hip tackles are by untrained, lazy tacklers.


Hip drop….
RE: If you watch LT’s compilation of great hits, etc  
Matt M. : 7/15/2024 12:47 pm : link
In comment 16553500 pivo said:
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He knew how to tackle. Lots of tackles from behind, but 90% of the time he would turn the player sideways so he landed on the ground behind the ball carrier (“spooning”, if you would). IMO, drop hip tackles are by untrained, lazy tacklers.
I have said for a long time LTs tackling may have been vicious, but it was clean by most of today's standards. The only difference may be some would be considered late hits now.
RE: This and roughing the passer should trigger an automatic booth review  
Matt M. : 7/15/2024 12:48 pm : link
In comment 16551795 Mellowmood92 said:
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Similar to flagrant fouls in the NBA and major penalties in the NHL.

They happen way too fast and are way too subjective to be left up to on the field calls.
I like this.
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