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Convince me why Tommy DeVito can’t be the man?

5BowlsSoon : 7/11/2024 3:31 pm
I’ve read some comments here stating one big concern they have….he doesn’t read the field fast enough. Are these people getting confused with Daniel Jones? Besides, even if that is so, you could say this concern affects more than 50% of today’s NFL QBs, especially inexperienced ones.

If you are one who thinks he can’t possibly be a good starting QB in the NFL…Why don’t you think time and experience can help him grow into a good one? He does have plenty of assets to work with…just go back and watch the MNF game vs the Packers and the Commanders 2nd game in Washington. Very accurate and appears to be fearless….just to mention a few.

So, why would you be willing to give up so soon on “Cutlets”…..look at the first year results of guys you respect, like Simms and Manning. How did they do in year one? And don’t forget….Cutlets was working with the worst OL in the NFL and not much surrounding him.

Okay, I’m all ears now…or should I say “eyes.”
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Because Daniel Jones is still on the roster  
Go Terps : 7/11/2024 3:35 pm : link
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Crazier things  
GoDeep13 : 7/11/2024 3:37 pm : link
Have happened. Who knows. Devito did well for what he had to go through. His biggest issues his Rookie Year were predictable for a UDFA who played middling talent in College I'm not banking on the kid being Tony Romo or anything but he ain't half bad
Tommy DeVito offers the most this year to both the team  
Chris684 : 7/11/2024 3:40 pm : link
and the fanbase.

He offers the highest upside to the team and the most hope to fans.

I can't believe Daniel Jones is still the starting QB after they teased us with all the draft stuff.

Interest in Maye is great but they didn't get him. They also passed on 3 guys who figure to start either right away or very early. God help us all if any of those 3 guys become the man for their respective teams.
I don't know if he can be "the man"...  
bw in dc : 7/11/2024 3:41 pm : link
but I think the better question is what does Jones do that Cutletts can't...
Of course he *can* be the man.  
81_Great_Dane : 7/11/2024 3:45 pm : link
Jericho Sims can become MVP of the NBA. Aliens can land in my back yard. I can invent a solution to climate change and become a billionaire.

Possible but extremely unlikely.

If he moves up to QB2, less unlikely.
No thanks  
rsjem1979 : 7/11/2024 3:54 pm : link
It's a near impossible task to objectively disprove a belief that is both speculative and subjective.

It is overwhelmingly likely that DeVito can't be "the man" for a variety of reasons that have already been discussed here since he became a meme last season. He's limited both physically and mentally as compared to elite NFL QBs, and while he surely could overcome those limitations, the deck is stacked against him merely due to the nature of the position he plays.
DeVito showed a lot of ability last year  
Rjanyg : 7/11/2024 3:57 pm : link
with very limited reps. As we have heard and seen, this offense is complicated and I would assume takes time to learn and recall at a high level.

Tommy throws a great deep ball. Shows toughness. Seems to have some charisma.

He self admittedly said he needs to have better pocket presence and quicker internal clock.

He looked very good in the 2023 preseason and made a miserable season a little fun and exciting.

He can be an NFL starter IMO.
Because he’s QB3  
UConn4523 : 7/11/2024 3:57 pm : link
if he can’t beat out Lock than what does it matter?
I don't know about "the man", but "a man" is possible  
Jerry in_DC : 7/11/2024 3:59 pm : link
He improved a lot in a few starts last year. Which makes sense, he had zero game experience and zero 1st team reps coming in. There is a possibility he could he OK. And to be fair to the OP, there is a chance that he could be pretty good. Non-1st round QBs get such short leashes, that we never really learn what they could be if they had a chance to learn.

And if you're not going to have a really good QB, the next best thing is to have a serviceable QB who makes no money.
The NFL is weird  
BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit : 7/11/2024 4:10 pm : link
The whole league is analyzed and dissected to a microscopic level but ultimately nobody knows what will happen.

As my grandpappy used to say- football is the only ball that isn't round and those pointy edges take funny bounces sometimes.

For all we know Tommy DeVito could be in action week 2 and lead the Giants to a 14-3 record and start for the NFC in the Pro Bowl. It's a wacky game.
What?? Take it easy…  
90.Cal : 7/11/2024 4:34 pm : link
The better question is he even going to beat out Drew Lock to be the back up QB?
RE: Because he’s QB3  
90.Cal : 7/11/2024 4:35 pm : link
In comment 16552003 UConn4523 said:
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if he can’t beat out Lock than what does it matter?


Exactly… agreed
For God's sake  
Crazed Dogs : 7/11/2024 4:35 pm : link
the guy was a free agent for a reason....He will never be an elite QB.... good story..could he be better than Jones? maybe but do not think so....
I think he is limited.  
George from PA : 7/11/2024 4:39 pm : link
It was a nice story but he probably ia the 3rd or 4th QB on roster.

I would love he is the next Curt Warner, but i doubt it.
RE: I think he is limited.  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/11/2024 4:40 pm : link
In comment 16552049 George from PA said:
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It was a nice story but he probably ia the 3rd or 4th QB on roster.

I would love he is the next Curt Warner, but i doubt it.

I doubt DeVito will switch to RB.
RE: RE: I think he is limited.  
81_Great_Dane : 7/11/2024 5:01 pm : link
In comment 16552050 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 16552049 George from PA said:


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It was a nice story but he probably ia the 3rd or 4th QB on roster.

I would love he is the next Curt Warner, but i doubt it.


I doubt DeVito will switch to RB.
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RE: For God's sake  
Go Terps : 7/11/2024 5:02 pm : link
In comment 16552048 Crazed Dogs said:
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the guy was a free agent for a reason....He will never be an elite QB.... good story..could he be better than Jones? maybe but do not think so....


There's a decent chance he's better than Jones. He was a better player in both high school and college, and he was a better player last year as a pro.
Kurt  
George from PA : 7/11/2024 5:04 pm : link
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Even if he's just ok  
Jerry in_DC : 7/11/2024 5:08 pm : link
Let's say we didn't have our obligated donation to Daniel. And DeVito isn't any better than Jones. We have the same level of QB and $40 M more.

So say we sign L'Jarious Snead and Christain Wilkins. That is an insanely good defense. Or Snead and we get some higher end OL than we ended up with. Maybe we have a good running game, really good D, and a passing game that can pop with some big plays.

There are so many options when you don't just burn $40 M
I wouldn’t rule it out, but his issues  
Section331 : 7/11/2024 5:17 pm : link
are the same he had in college; namely that he holds onto the ball too damn long. He has got to speed up that clock in his head to be an NFL starter, and that’s not necessarily easy to do.
....  
Spartan10 : 7/11/2024 5:21 pm : link
It is a nice story. I think his ceiling is NFL back up. He doesn't have an elite NFL arm. It is a QB/passing league. We can't settle for a mediocre at best QB. The fact that he may have looked better than DJ last year is more of a indictment on DJ, and not a reason to think DeVito is the answer.
RE: RE: For God's sake  
bw in dc : 7/11/2024 5:29 pm : link
In comment 16552063 Go Terps said:
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There's a decent chance he's better than Jones. He was a better player in both high school and college, and he was a better player last year as a pro.


That's not a stretch by any means. And reinforces why it was utter insanity that Jones was drafted on day one, let alone in the lottery.

RE: I wouldn’t rule it out, but his issues  
5BowlsSoon : 7/11/2024 5:49 pm : link
In comment 16552076 Section331 said:
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are the same he had in college; namely that he holds onto the ball too damn long. He has got to speed up that clock in his head to be an NFL starter, and that’s not necessarily easy to do.


Is he any slower than Jones?
RE: ....  
5BowlsSoon : 7/11/2024 5:57 pm : link
In comment 16552078 Spartan10 said:
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It is a nice story. I think his ceiling is NFL back up. He doesn't have an elite NFL arm. It is a QB/passing league. We can't settle for a mediocre at best QB. The fact that he may have looked better than DJ last year is more of a indictment on DJ, and not a reason to think DeVito is the answer.


Actually, that is the issue….could he be better than Jones? Does he have a better arm than Jones? The issue is- who is the best QB on our roster to be the starter? Jones, Lock, Cutlets?

Terps brought up a good point…Cutlets was better than Jones in both HS and college. And He was definitely better than Jones last year. In addition, I believe he is a better more accurate passer than Jones, especially downfield and or to the sideline. And unlike Jones, he is not afraid to throw the ball downfield.

So where do you see Jones better being better than Cutlets? They both run well….although Jones is Injury prone and I believe still very capable of the turnover. Did Cutlets have many turnovers last year? Actually I don’t know…so I will look this up after I post.
RE: RE: For God's sake  
section125 : 7/11/2024 6:10 pm : link
In comment 16552063 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16552048 Crazed Dogs said:


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the guy was a free agent for a reason....He will never be an elite QB.... good story..could he be better than Jones? maybe but do not think so....



There's a decent chance he's better than Jones. He was a better player in both high school and college, and he was a better player last year as a pro.


Exactly and that is why he was drafted so high.
Because he is untalented  
ElitoCanton : 7/11/2024 6:14 pm : link
He has a below average arm. He has only modest athletic ability. And he has trouble seeing the field fast enough. He sucked in college. He sucks in the NFL. He had his 5 minutes of fame. They are up.
Curious  
Samiam : 7/11/2024 6:21 pm : link
If Cutlets was the QB in 2022, do you think he wins a playoff game on the road? Do you think he wins another one against the Eagles?

If the Giants thought Cutlets had that kind of ability, why would they have signed Lock? How much $ would they have signed?

Turps - you lose credibility when you spout BS like Cutlets was better than Jones in high school unless you’ve seen both play some. Did you?
So if we all agree Jones  
pjcas18 : 7/11/2024 6:22 pm : link
was probably a little overrated vs his capabilities he was still projected to go in the first couple rounds of the draft. 3rd at worst. PFF ranked him #70, Brandt had him #17, an aggregator site of all rankings had him #30, and more had him in the 1st round.

DeVito was not drafted.

If there is nothing Jones does better than DeVito and the gap was that wide in the rankings as many of you have indicated, even with all the scouts, games, tape, analytics, combines, interviews, etc. the NFL (as a monolith) still sucks at scouting.

Tommy's time was last season...  
Fishmanjim57 : 7/11/2024 6:27 pm : link
This will be a new season and due to the contract situation, as well as the coaching staff's commitment to Daniel Jones, Tommy will be on the PS.
Drew Lock will be QB2, and Jones and Lock were first round picks in the same year. I hope DJ remains healthy all season, but I'm glad the Giants have a quality QB with extensive history to back him up.
RE: Curious  
bw in dc : 7/11/2024 6:27 pm : link
In comment 16552107 Samiam said:
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Turps - you lose credibility when you spout BS like Cutlets was better than Jones in high school unless you’ve seen both play some. Did you?


Jones was a zero-star recruit and had no D1 offers.

DeVito was recruited by Syracuse, Maryland, Rutgers, BC, Yale.

It seems like you don't know what you are talking about...
RE: Of course he *can* be the man.  
Anakim : 7/11/2024 6:28 pm : link
In comment 16551983 81_Great_Dane said:
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Jericho Sims can become MVP of the NBA. Aliens can land in my back yard. I can invent a solution to climate change and become a billionaire.

Possible but extremely unlikely.

If he moves up to QB2, less unlikely.


I think Jericho Sims has a better chance to become MVP of the NBA than Tommy Devito has of being the franchise QB of the NY Football Giants.
RE: Curious  
Go Terps : 7/11/2024 6:28 pm : link
In comment 16552107 Samiam said:
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If Cutlets was the QB in 2022, do you think he wins a playoff game on the road? Do you think he wins another one against the Eagles?

If the Giants thought Cutlets had that kind of ability, why would they have signed Lock? How much $ would they have signed?

Turps - you lose credibility when you spout BS like Cutlets was better than Jones in high school unless you’ve seen both play some. Did you?


DeVito was highly recruited out of high school. 4 star recruit. Want to guess how many stars Jones was as a recruit out of high school? Zero.

It's not my opinion. I didn't know either guy existed when they were in high school. The recruiting community did, though.
RE: RE: Curious  
Anakim : 7/11/2024 6:33 pm : link
In comment 16552115 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16552107 Samiam said:


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If Cutlets was the QB in 2022, do you think he wins a playoff game on the road? Do you think he wins another one against the Eagles?

If the Giants thought Cutlets had that kind of ability, why would they have signed Lock? How much $ would they have signed?

Turps - you lose credibility when you spout BS like Cutlets was better than Jones in high school unless you’ve seen both play some. Did you?



DeVito was highly recruited out of high school. 4 star recruit. Want to guess how many stars Jones was as a recruit out of high school? Zero.

It's not my opinion. I didn't know either guy existed when they were in high school. The recruiting community did, though.



Josh Allen and Kurt Warner were zero star recruits. Gunner Kiel and Jimmy Clausen were 5 star recruits.


Doesn't mean much.
I like him  
Reale01 : 7/11/2024 6:41 pm : link
I do not think he throws as well as DJ. He does not run as well as DJ. Does not have the same raw athleticism. That said there have been times when players have brought more to the table than their physical profiles would indicate. Brees, Montana, Theisman come to mind.
RE: RE: Curious  
Samiam : 7/11/2024 6:41 pm : link
In comment 16552115 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16552107 Samiam said:


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If Cutlets was the QB in 2022, do you think he wins a playoff game on the road? Do you think he wins another one against the Eagles?

If the Giants thought Cutlets had that kind of ability, why would they have signed Lock? How much $ would they have signed?

Turps - you lose credibility when you spout BS like Cutlets was better than Jones in high school unless you’ve seen both play some. Did you?



DeVito was highly recruited out of high school. 4 star recruit. Want to guess how many stars Jones was as a recruit out of high school? Zero.

It's not my opinion. I didn't know either guy existed when they were in high school. The recruiting community did, though.


By your logic, Jones must be a better QB since he was drafted 6th in the first round and Cutlets was undrafted.
His  
AcidTest : 7/11/2024 6:42 pm : link
ceiling is likely at best journeyman backup or "bridge starter" for a year or two for a team that needs a few seasons try and find a franchise QB. That would be a great achievement given that he was a UDFA.

Jones and Lock are also likely at best journeyman backups or "bridge starters."

Six years into the Jones regime, this is where we are.

Welcome to QB hell.
RE: RE: I wouldn’t rule it out, but his issues  
Section331 : 7/11/2024 6:42 pm : link
In comment 16552087 5BowlsSoon said:
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In comment 16552076 Section331 said:


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are the same he had in college; namely that he holds onto the ball too damn long. He has got to speed up that clock in his head to be an NFL starter, and that’s not necessarily easy to do.



Is he any slower than Jones?



Probably a bit, but yeah, Jones has that issue too. Look, if the question is would I rather play Jones at $40M or DeVito at $1M, I’ll go with Tommy. What he doesn’t have that Jones does is speed, but let’s be real, I doubt we see nearly as many designed QB runs this year as we did in ‘22.
RE: RE: RE: Curious  
bw in dc : 7/11/2024 6:47 pm : link
In comment 16552117 Anakim said:
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Josh Allen and Kurt Warner were zero star recruits. Gunner Kiel and Jimmy Clausen were 5 star recruits.


Doesn't mean much.


That's not the point. The point is that out of high school, there was more demand for DeVito. And he played for a major high school program Don Bosco Prep.
RE: Because he is untalented  
5BowlsSoon : 7/11/2024 7:00 pm : link
In comment 16552103 ElitoCanton said:
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He has a below average arm. He has only modest athletic ability. And he has trouble seeing the field fast enough. He sucked in college. He sucks in the NFL. He had his 5 minutes of fame. They are up.


I’m confused…..Are you talking about Jones or Cutlets?
Since you guys are into meaningless factoids on HS rankings,  
Spider56 : 7/11/2024 7:06 pm : link
lI’ll add the link below with more data. Note the other starting QB in NY, a guy named Aaron Rodgers, also had zero d1 scholarship offers coming out of HS.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Curious  
5BowlsSoon : 7/11/2024 7:06 pm : link
In comment 16552107 Samiam said:
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If Cutlets was the QB in 2022, do you think he wins a playoff game on the road? Do you think he wins another one against the Eagles?

If the Giants thought Cutlets had that kind of ability, why would they have signed Lock? How much $ would they have signed?

Turps - you lose credibility when you spout BS like Cutlets was better than Jones in high school unless you’ve seen both play some. Did you?


As we all know, the Giants don’t always make the best decisions….signing Jones for $40 million I think is one decision we all lament over. How about drafting Neal when even Sy warned us about his short comings? I won’t go into all the other useless FAs we signed for big bucks.
RE: His  
Go Terps : 7/11/2024 7:10 pm : link
In comment 16552125 AcidTest said:
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ceiling is likely at best journeyman backup or "bridge starter" for a year or two for a team that needs a few seasons try and find a franchise QB. That would be a great achievement given that he was a UDFA.

Jones and Lock are also likely at best journeyman backups or "bridge starters."

Six years into the Jones regime, this is where we are.

Welcome to QB hell.


This sums it up. This team is nowhere.
RE: RE: Curious  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2024 7:33 pm : link
In comment 16552115 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16552107 Samiam said:


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If Cutlets was the QB in 2022, do you think he wins a playoff game on the road? Do you think he wins another one against the Eagles?

If the Giants thought Cutlets had that kind of ability, why would they have signed Lock? How much $ would they have signed?

Turps - you lose credibility when you spout BS like Cutlets was better than Jones in high school unless you’ve seen both play some. Did you?



DeVito was highly recruited out of high school. 4 star recruit. Want to guess how many stars Jones was as a recruit out of high school? Zero.

It's not my opinion. I didn't know either guy existed when they were in high school. The recruiting community did, though.


Terps is right that DeVito was the more highly recruited prospect out of HS. And their college careers were both up and down, the difference being that Jones stayed at Duke and made the most of it, whereas DeVito bounced around - a little unlucky and a little on him. I don't think the difference between them is as great as #6 overall pick and UDFA would suggest.
I figure his best shot is two-fold  
mfsd : 7/11/2024 8:06 pm : link
1, Jones’s only plus attribute is his running ability. If he’s either unable/unwilling to be the same running threat, a coaching staff that knows their seats are getting hot with another losing season may find the courage to bail on him. Or, Jones gets hurt again, somewhat likely given his play style and inability to feel/dodge the rush

2, DeVito beats out Drew Lock for QB2

Lot of ifs there - no sure thing the staff bails on Jones when they seem to still be full steam ahead with him, plus his contract, Mara loyalty, etc. also no sure thing DeVito beats out Lock

Do I think Tommy D can be “the man”? Feels like a stretch. But he may get another shot

Realistically, I think the competitive journeyman label assigned above is apt
Last year  
Mark from Jersey : 7/11/2024 8:17 pm : link
I saw flashes and plays that reminded me of Tony Romo. He has a chance.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Curious  
Anakim : 7/11/2024 8:20 pm : link
In comment 16552131 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16552117 Anakim said:


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Josh Allen and Kurt Warner were zero star recruits. Gunner Kiel and Jimmy Clausen were 5 star recruits.


Doesn't mean much.



That's not the point. The point is that out of high school, there was more demand for DeVito. And he played for a major high school program Don Bosco Prep.


So what?
Oddly enough  
HomerJones45 : 7/11/2024 8:23 pm : link
the starter is the worst passer of the three qb's.

It doesn't matter though because it is not an open competition and the GM is dying to go down with ship.
RE: Oddly enough  
Reale01 : 7/11/2024 8:37 pm : link
In comment 16552157 HomerJones45 said:
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the starter is the worst passer of the three qb's.

It doesn't matter though because it is not an open competition and the GM is dying to go down with ship.


What makes you say DJ is the worst passer of the three?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Curious  
bw in dc : 7/11/2024 8:55 pm : link
In comment 16552156 Anakim said:
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That's not the point. The point is that out of high school, there was more demand for DeVito. And he played for a major high school program Don Bosco Prep.



So what?


Someone above said Jones was better than Cutletts out of high school. And that's just not true based on the recruiting process. DeVito was invited to the prestigious Elite 11 camp run by Trent Dilfer. They just don't invite anybody.

Yes, the recruiting process is flawed as it's more art than science. But they also get a lot right.




this talk of the HS careers is a bit laughable -  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2024 9:01 pm : link
DeVito went to Don Bosco, probably the #1 HS football program in the tri-state area. And excelled there. Jones went to Charlotte Latin, the best academic prep school in the Charlotte area. As a football powerhouse, perhaps not so much. DeVito was heavily recruited at various schools: Jones considered Princeton but then was a walk-on at Duke. A walk-on. At Duke.

I'm a fan of both of them. Different paths though. That Jones ended up as #6 in the entire draft, and DeVito a UDFA, has a lot of randomness to it. Go Giants!
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