I’ve read some comments here stating one big concern they have….he doesn’t read the field fast enough. Are these people getting confused with Daniel Jones? Besides, even if that is so, you could say this concern affects more than 50% of today’s NFL QBs, especially inexperienced ones.
If you are one who thinks he can’t possibly be a good starting QB in the NFL…Why don’t you think time and experience can help him grow into a good one? He does have plenty of assets to work with…just go back and watch the MNF game vs the Packers and the Commanders 2nd game in Washington. Very accurate and appears to be fearless….just to mention a few.
So, why would you be willing to give up so soon on “Cutlets”…..look at the first year results of guys you respect, like Simms and Manning. How did they do in year one? And don’t forget….Cutlets was working with the worst OL in the NFL and not much surrounding him.
Okay, I’m all ears now…or should I say “eyes.”
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That's not the point. The point is that out of high school, there was more demand for DeVito. And he played for a major high school program Don Bosco Prep.
So what?
Someone above said Jones was better than Cutletts out of high school. And that's just not true based on the recruiting process. DeVito was invited to the prestigious Elite 11 camp run by Trent Dilfer. They just don't invite anybody.
Yes, the recruiting process is flawed as it's more art than science. But they also get a lot right.
Oh okay. But yes, just because Devito was rated better in HS doesn’t make him a better QB than DJ right now.
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ceiling is likely at best journeyman backup or "bridge starter" for a year or two for a team that needs a few seasons try and find a franchise QB. That would be a great achievement given that he was a UDFA.
Jones and Lock are also likely at best journeyman backups or "bridge starters."
Six years into the Jones regime, this is where we are.
Welcome to QB hell.
This sums it up. This team is nowhere.
I couldn't agree more, as Jersey is truly nowhere.
Oh okay. But yes, just because Devito was rated better in HS doesn’t make him a better QB than DJ right now.
In general, I would never extrapolate that.
I was hoping the discussion would turn to whether Jones or De Vito had more Pee Wee Football trophies!
:-)
DeVito won his first game against the Washington Commanders in his second start on 11/19/2023. He threw three touchdown passes, had zero interceptions, was 18-26 for 246 yards and had a quarterback rating of 137.7. It has been 48 starts since DJ last threw three touchdowns in a game, which he did three times in his career, all in his rookie year. And the only time DJ ever had a passer rating better than 137.7 was on 11/13/2022 against the Houston Texans, the second worst team in the NFL in 2022, when he went 13-17 for 197 yards and had two touchdowns.
In his fourth start of his rookie season on 12/11/2023, DeVito won his first game against a winning team, the Green Bay Packers, a team that would go on to win a playoff game. It took Daniel Jones thirty starts and nearly three full years to win his first game against a winning team, the New Orleans Saints on 10/3/2021. It would take five more starts before he would beat a playoff team, the LV Raiders on 11/7/2021. And the only time in DJ's career that he ever beat a team that would go on to win a playoff game was in his 44th start against the Jacksonville Jaguars on 10/23/2022. In his career, DJ has won a total of five games against teams with a winning record, and one of those five was the 2022 playoff game against the Vikings.
DeVito's career record is 3-3 as a starter, a .500 winning percentage. He has a career passer rating of 89.2, the highest of any starting quarterback in Giants history. DJ is 22-36-1 as a starter, a winning percentage of .379 and has a career passer rating of 85.1.
So DeVito is at the very least, as good or better than DJ. And given Drew Lock's uneven career, he is also arguably better than Lock, albeit without Lock's much higher ceiling due to the latter's significant arm talent. But to answer your question, DeVito can certainly be the man on this team in 2024. And if it is a true meritocracy, and Daboll genuinely has the freedom to act in terms of personnel, it very well might just happen.
Awww, your DJ enthusiasm goes far enough to make you dislike his teammates. That's cute.
That two game run was more than Jones had last year…..1/2 game run. And Jones is a 6 year veteran.
Maybe I especially love Cutlets because he gave me something Jones has never given me in 6 years- a PRIME TIME VICTORY on either Sunday or Monday Night Football. I still replay that win over the Packers. In hindsight, I’m grateful for Saquon having another one of his bonehead plays that almost cost us the game.
no one can convince you of anything that is possible. Even something highly unlikely is impossible to convince it cannot happen.
the story of undrafted QB's who have become "the man" is a short story. And usually there's a reason, the QB's flaws and limitations become apparent in their body of work.
Also, comparing him to Daniel Jones to make the decision is kind of flawed since not many think Jones is or can be "the man".
Lastly, sometimes people mention Jones is entering his 6th season in the NFL where DeVito is entering his 2nd. Jones is only 14 months older. DeVito spent 6 years in college (and applied for a 7th but was rejected), so maybe consider that too in your analysis.
and really lastly, DeVito can be "the man" but it's extremely unlikely, and if the Giants had a shot a Drake Maye (or the top 2 QB's in the draft) this wouldn't even be a discussion. And don't you think if the Giants, who have watched DeVito run NFL plays vs NFL defenses a lot, thought that DeVito could be the man, they would probably not have signed Drew Lock to be the backup to the guy they have starting.
If the Giants thought Cutlets had that kind of ability, why would they have signed Lock? How much $ would they have signed?
Turps - you lose credibility when you spout BS like Cutlets was better than Jones in high school unless you’ve seen both play some. Did you?
Ah. The Minnesota game again. Do you honestly think that if DeVito were given 4 years to start he wouldn’t be capable of beating a pathetic defense like the Vikings have in a damn Wild Card game in year 4? DeVito was an UDFA this past season. A rookie. Jones was in his 4th season of starting when he won what you consider the greatest game ever played by a QB.
I hate to break it to you for the 100th time, but there’s some absolutely dreadful QBs that have somehow managed to win Wild Card games. It’s not nearly as impressive as some of you keep wanting to believe it is
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DeVito absolutely stinks. He had a nice little 2 game run last year. It was fun. But thats way over
That two game run was more than Jones had last year…..1/2 game run. And Jones is a 6 year veteran.
Maybe I especially love Cutlets because he gave me something Jones has never given me in 6 years- a PRIME TIME VICTORY on either Sunday or Monday Night Football. I still replay that win over the Packers. In hindsight, I’m grateful for Saquon having another one of his bonehead plays that almost cost us the game.
So beating the Vikings and putting up huge numbers in a playoff game didn't do it for you like winning a Monday night game, eh?
Yeah man! Let’s just trust the judgement of the guys that gave Jones that asinine contract. We should never question them. If you don’t think that the contract they gave Jones heavily influences their decision making then you’re simply not being honest with yourself. There is no assessment going on of who is the starter because of the contract. If Jones were making minimum wage like DeVito we may have seen an honest evaluation. Alas, that’s not going to happen
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DeVito absolutely stinks. He had a nice little 2 game run last year. It was fun. But thats way over
That two game run was more than Jones had last year…..1/2 game run. And Jones is a 6 year veteran.
Maybe I especially love Cutlets because he gave me something Jones has never given me in 6 years- a PRIME TIME VICTORY on either Sunday or Monday Night Football. I still replay that win over the Packers. In hindsight, I’m grateful for Saquon having another one of his bonehead plays that almost cost us the game.
So beating the Vikings and putting up huge numbers in a playoff game didn't do it for you like winning a Monday night game, eh?
So you continue to ignore the list of dreadful QBs that tore apart that Minnesota defense all season in ‘22? They absolutely sucked. The pedestal you guys put that game on is comical. When the hell did winning one Wold Card game in 5 seasons (against a horrific defense) become the standard around here? That’s not an accomplishment. It’s sad, actually
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DeVito absolutely stinks. He had a nice little 2 game run last year. It was fun. But thats way over
That two game run was more than Jones had last year…..1/2 game run. And Jones is a 6 year veteran.
Maybe I especially love Cutlets because he gave me something Jones has never given me in 6 years- a PRIME TIME VICTORY on either Sunday or Monday Night Football. I still replay that win over the Packers. In hindsight, I’m grateful for Saquon having another one of his bonehead plays that almost cost us the game.
So beating the Vikings and putting up huge numbers in a playoff game didn't do it for you like winning a Monday night game, eh?
Jones and Lock are also likely at best journeyman backups or "bridge starters."
Six years into the Jones regime, this is where we are.
Welcome to QB hell.
"QB hell" is when you're stuck with an okay QB that takes up a huge part of your cap. Like Kirk Cousins or Dak Prescott.
We're worse than that because we have a bad QB taking up a huge part of the cap.
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that see him every day in practice don't see him as the man
Yeah man! Let’s just trust the judgement of the guys that gave Jones that asinine contract. We should never question them. If you don’t think that the contract they gave Jones heavily influences their decision making then you’re simply not being honest with yourself. There is no assessment going on of who is the starter because of the contract. If Jones were making minimum wage like DeVito we may have seen an honest evaluation. Alas, that’s not going to happen
I think you are right….this is not a FAIR QB competition with the best man winning. This is simply…..40 million vs. 5 million vs. 1 million
DeVito won his first game against the Washington Commanders in his second start on 11/19/2023. He threw three touchdown passes, had zero interceptions, was 18-26 for 246 yards and had a quarterback rating of 137.7. It has been 48 starts since DJ last threw three touchdowns in a game, which he did three times in his career, all in his rookie year. And the only time DJ ever had a passer rating better than 137.7 was on 11/13/2022 against the Houston Texans, the second worst team in the NFL in 2022, when he went 13-17 for 197 yards and had two touchdowns.
In his fourth start of his rookie season on 12/11/2023, DeVito won his first game against a winning team, the Green Bay Packers, a team that would go on to win a playoff game. It took Daniel Jones thirty starts and nearly three full years to win his first game against a winning team, the New Orleans Saints on 10/3/2021. It would take five more starts before he would beat a playoff team, the LV Raiders on 11/7/2021. And the only time in DJ's career that he ever beat a team that would go on to win a playoff game was in his 44th start against the Jacksonville Jaguars on 10/23/2022. In his career, DJ has won a total of five games against teams with a winning record, and one of those five was the 2022 playoff game against the Vikings.
DeVito's career record is 3-3 as a starter, a .500 winning percentage. He has a career passer rating of 89.2, the highest of any starting quarterback in Giants history. DJ is 22-36-1 as a starter, a winning percentage of .379 and has a career passer rating of 85.1.
So DeVito is at the very least, as good or better than DJ. And given Drew Lock's uneven career, he is also arguably better than Lock, albeit without Lock's much higher ceiling due to the latter's significant arm talent. But to answer your question, DeVito can certainly be the man on this team in 2024. And if it is a true meritocracy, and Daboll genuinely has the freedom to act in terms of personnel, it very well might just happen.
Wow The Mike…..you have just convinced me why Cutlets should be ahead of Jones. This post of yours here should be mandatory reading for all BBI members….it is that enlightening. Thanks….my doubts are going away quickly.
no one can convince you of anything that is possible. Even something highly unlikely is impossible to convince it cannot happen.
the story of undrafted QB's who have become "the man" is a short story. And usually there's a reason, the QB's flaws and limitations become apparent in their body of work.
Also, comparing him to Daniel Jones to make the decision is kind of flawed since not many think Jones is or can be "the man".
Lastly, sometimes people mention Jones is entering his 6th season in the NFL where DeVito is entering his 2nd. Jones is only 14 months older. DeVito spent 6 years in college (and applied for a 7th but was rejected), so maybe consider that too in your analysis.
and really lastly, DeVito can be "the man" but it's extremely unlikely, and if the Giants had a shot a Drake Maye (or the top 2 QB's in the draft) this wouldn't even be a discussion. And don't you think if the Giants, who have watched DeVito run NFL plays vs NFL defenses a lot, thought that DeVito could be the man, they would probably not have signed Drew Lock to be the backup to the guy they have starting.
Good points and questions pj.
I really don’t think signing Lock was all about not trusting TD….but more about calming the NY media and fan base. Imagine if NY didn’t pick up another QB with Jones even questionable to play in the preseason let alone the start of the regular season. You can’t go in with just one healthy QB….so Lock or someone else fairly decent was a must.
Also, I don’t think age is nearly as important as experience when comparing the two QBs. Everyone will tell you have important playing NFL games is for a QB to mature. Besides, we all saw what TD could do in the preseason games and several of the regular season games. Like I previously said…Phil Simms and Eli Manning pretty much laid eggs in season 1. TD was at least 3-3, and don’t forget, playing behind the worst OL in football with mediocre receivers.
Lastly, just because he was un drafted should mean nothing in practice and preseason. You would assume he wouldn’t be as good as Jones and Lock….but what if he is? Are you telling me, “so what he looks better than jones and Lock….hes an UDFA for crying out loud….you can’t start him because he wasn’t drafted. At least Brady and the 49er QB were drafted, albeit very late.”
Oh, they see Danny Dimes as the man, right? Like someone said….if Dimes was making 1 million instead of 40 million, would he still “automatically”be the man?m
draft the best high school recruit.
tia.
2022, eat your heart out. 2019 decent production from a rookie? Nah. 2021 the best offensive player on the field for a depressed team with a mess of a HC. No matter.
It never happened. ONly the first few games of 2023 happened. And only 3-4 shaky as fuck games from Devito but he did throw the ball deep sometimes...that matters.
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that see him every day in practice don't see him as the man
Oh, they see Danny Dimes as the man, right? Like someone said….if Dimes was making 1 million instead of 40 million, would he still “automatically”be the man?m
draft the best high school recruit.
tia.
Nah, it's more like "Don't draft the untalented player 6th overall and then pay him like he's talented."
Jones still posted more completions and rushing yardage and yards per game than Devito did despite about 10 of the same people insisting Devito was much better last season.
Who cares. they both suck.
They do both suck, numbers and wins and losses don't lie. Can't argue that Jones has had a rough fierst 6 years save for 2022 when he was a winning and productive player. He's still struggled and failed to elevate the team save for 2022. That said, the Giants feel that Jones is the better and more worthwhile player to invest in right now. Maybe Jones is his own worst enemy or maybe the offense could do more to help him or maybe it's a little bit of both. Maybe the coaching staff is lost. I just find it laughably weird to sit here and shout from the hilltops that Devito did so much more than Jones last season. The numbers say otherwise.
Devito is a trash can until proven otherwise. If he's the QB in 2022 we go 6-11 if lucky. He brings little to nothing to the table until proven otherwise and no amount of decent play over a 1-2-3 game stretch when the team was at its very best changes things. If Devito played week 1 against dallas he's probably dead. or maybe not. Who cares. We're talking about Tommy Devito here.
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that settles it
draft the best high school recruit.
tia.
Nah, it's more like "Don't draft the untalented player 6th overall and then pay him like he's talented."
I shouldn't have mocked that take about high school recruits I knew the point you were trying to make and it's hard to argue it doesn't carry weight. I was just being an argumentative dipshit.
Maybe Devito takes a step forward thanks to a full year with this staff and camp. Who am I to say the kid can't progress and develop into something special. He can sling the ball but that doesn't impress me because anyone at the NFL level can throw a spiral far. He needs to learn the processing and nuances of the game.
As for Jones, I will die on a pretty safe hill to die on when I say this is his last chance. I know you think he's got dirty pics of someone or the team is afraid to challenge him but I think it's as simple as he's the most talented QB on the roster and will start until that changes. They seemed to have tried to draft a kid this April but couldn't move up for him.
If Jones has a brutal year or gets hurt and misses tons of time he's done here. He's only here now because he picked the best (or worst) possible time to have a good season. 2022 led to today.
One has 5 years of starts and 1st team reps
The other has 5 weeks
...and...
One makes $46 M while the other makes $1M
...what would a smart, merit-based organization do?
One has 5 years of starts and 1st team reps
The other has 5 weeks
...and...
One makes $46 M while the other makes $1M
...what would a smart, merit-based organization do?
Indeed.
However, Cutletts doesn't have a historic NYG playoff win like Jones did when he beat the Minnesota Sieve.
Jones still posted more completions and rushing yardage and yards per game than Devito did despite about 10 of the same people insisting Devito was much better last season.
Who cares. they both suck.
Then get rid of the expensive one.
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that settles it
draft the best high school recruit.
tia.
Nah, it's more like "Don't draft the untalented player 6th overall and then pay him like he's talented."
You wanted to draft Jones - so you’re admitting you’re clueless too?
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that settles it
draft the best high school recruit.
tia.
Nah, it's more like "Don't draft the untalented player 6th overall and then pay him like he's talented."
You wanted to draft Jones - so you’re admitting you’re clueless too?
I didn't want to draft Jones. I wanted to draft Hockenson. Drafting Jones once they paid Eli made no sense.
How would you know though? You joined BBI in August 2023.
Then after his pro day, even Terps fell full bloom in love with Jones...
;)
Then after his pro day, even Terps fell full bloom in love with Jones...
;)
I did like the workout, it's true!
DeVito is a great story and I think there is value in keeping him. But, if I am trying to build a contender, he isn't a guy I'm going with. Now, if you said we just need a bridge for a year to be competitive and not embarrass ourselves, fine. I think I'd rather see him than Locke if Jones can't go.
100% about people here being delusional..
It is like they got to dunkin donuts at 10pm and all there was left was a plain donut. Because they are drunk.. it tastes like the best donut they ever had.
Cutlets is a plain donut for anyone who has the late night QB munchees and when there is nothing else to choose from.
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where you really want the answer to be yes.
no one can convince you of anything that is possible. Even something highly unlikely is impossible to convince it cannot happen.
the story of undrafted QB's who have become "the man" is a short story. And usually there's a reason, the QB's flaws and limitations become apparent in their body of work.
Also, comparing him to Daniel Jones to make the decision is kind of flawed since not many think Jones is or can be "the man".
Lastly, sometimes people mention Jones is entering his 6th season in the NFL where DeVito is entering his 2nd. Jones is only 14 months older. DeVito spent 6 years in college (and applied for a 7th but was rejected), so maybe consider that too in your analysis.
and really lastly, DeVito can be "the man" but it's extremely unlikely, and if the Giants had a shot a Drake Maye (or the top 2 QB's in the draft) this wouldn't even be a discussion. And don't you think if the Giants, who have watched DeVito run NFL plays vs NFL defenses a lot, thought that DeVito could be the man, they would probably not have signed Drew Lock to be the backup to the guy they have starting.
Good points and questions pj.
I really don’t think signing Lock was all about not trusting TD….but more about calming the NY media and fan base. Imagine if NY didn’t pick up another QB with Jones even questionable to play in the preseason let alone the start of the regular season. You can’t go in with just one healthy QB….so Lock or someone else fairly decent was a must.
Also, I don’t think age is nearly as important as experience when comparing the two QBs. Everyone will tell you have important playing NFL games is for a QB to mature. Besides, we all saw what TD could do in the preseason games and several of the regular season games. Like I previously said…Phil Simms and Eli Manning pretty much laid eggs in season 1. TD was at least 3-3, and don’t forget, playing behind the worst OL in football with mediocre receivers.
Lastly, just because he was un drafted should mean nothing in practice and preseason. You would assume he wouldn’t be as good as Jones and Lock….but what if he is? Are you telling me, “so what he looks better than jones and Lock….hes an UDFA for crying out loud….you can’t start him because he wasn’t drafted. At least Brady and the 49er QB were drafted, albeit very late.”
You missed my point(s). Sorry I was not clear.
first, age is irrelevant. however, my point was people say "DeVito has only had one season in the league and Jones has had 5" - my point wasn't about age, it was the disparity in NFL seasons is so wide because DeVito spent 6 years in college. He really "should" have been in the NFL, if he was going to make it, 2 years ago.
second, draft status doesn't mean anything if the player is successful. I'm sure Sunday announcers will harp on it if DeVito becomes "the man" comparing him to Romo or Warner, but otherwise it's irrelevant. The point about draft status is time and time again, studies indicate the franchise QB's aka "the man" come from higher in the draft, not from UDFAs. Like I said the story of the undrafted QB's becoming "the man" is a short story, so his draft status is irrelevant when he's in practice or in a game, but it's relevant to the odds of becoming "the man" because it's rare for a UDFA to do so - there hasn't been one in a decade.
lastly, but to your first point, if Schoen thought DeVito can be "the man", but signed Lock to "calm the media and the fan base" he should be fired on the spot. a GM who makes decisions like that is a moron. I seriously doubt (or I hope) that line of thinking never entered into his brain.
I didn't want to draft Jones. I wanted to draft Hockenson. Drafting Jones once they paid Eli made no sense.
How would you know though? You joined BBI in August 2023.
You have admitted to me and has been backed up by other posters that pre 2019 draft - you wanted to draft Jones. So now you’re a liar. Deny it all you want - cause for forbid you’re ever wrong on anything, but you said it it to me.
You’re a waste.
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I didn't want to draft Jones. I wanted to draft Hockenson. Drafting Jones once they paid Eli made no sense.
How would you know though? You joined BBI in August 2023.
You have admitted to me and has been backed up by other posters that pre 2019 draft - you wanted to draft Jones. So now you’re a liar. Deny it all you want - cause for forbid you’re ever wrong on anything, but you said it it to me.
You’re a waste.
Before they paid Eli, I'd have been fine with it. Once they paid him, nope.
It's funny - I got insulted for saying they should have drafted Hockenson. Caught a lot of shit for it.
If I'm a waste maybe I should just change my handle and start new like dep did.