For all of you chump haters that can't wait to bash DJ in every thread, see a 35 TD season.
He's going to do something he's never coming close to doing? OK...
I can't wait to see Tomon Fox get 27 sacks this year and prove he's better than Lawrence Taylor...hey this is fun!
To be fair, Fox has been held back by terrible coaches and teammates his entire life. He’s a victim of incredibly poor circumstances. I mean, did you see that sack he had against Tennessee in that magical ‘22 season? THAT is the real Tomon Fox so 27 sacks isn’t out of the question this season
I am ready to move on from Jones, but I hope he kills it this year. Because as many know, what the fridge do I know?
Same. He is not the QB of the future for the Giants, but if he can have a career year we will have an interesting season and can possibly even get something for him in the offseason.
I am ready to move on from Jones, but I hope he kills it this year. Because as many know, what the fridge do I know?
Same. He is not the QB of the future for the Giants, but if he can have a career year we will have an interesting season and can possibly even get something for him in the offseason.
If he has a career year he is much more likely to get a massive extension than be traded. This regime desperately wants him to be the guy
I am ready to move on from Jones, but I hope he kills it this year. Because as many know, what the fridge do I know?
Same. He is not the QB of the future for the Giants, but if he can have a career year we will have an interesting season and can possibly even get something for him in the offseason.
If he has a career year he is much more likely to get a massive extension than be traded. This regime desperately wants him to be the guy
I know. I think Mara and Schoen are looking for excuses to keep him rather than trying to upgrade a position of weakness.
After watching the first two episodes of 'Hard Knocks', I still have no clue what Schoen thinks of Jones deep down. The evidence thus far...contract, not drafting a QB at all, signing Lock suggests Joe thinks he can win with Jones. I think that's loco, but who am I? I'm just a poster on BBI.
As for Mara, I think he loves Jones like he's a son.
After watching the first two episodes of 'Hard Knocks', I still have no clue what Schoen thinks of Jones deep down. The evidence thus far...contract, not drafting a QB at all, signing Lock suggests Joe thinks he can win with Jones. I think that's loco, but who am I? I'm just a poster on BBI.
As for Mara, I think he loves Jones like he's a son.
I think there's a chance it was to get Alt. Chris B on The Giants Insider Podcast made a solid argument this past week on that being the dude we were targeting.
I think there's a chance it was to get Alt. Chris B on The Giants Insider Podcast made a solid argument this past week on that being the dude we were targeting.
Not buying that one at all
You don’t give up multiple number 1’s for a right tackle
Schoen still likes Jones, but the injuries have become a major risk. So, he needed QB insurance, and he was willing to buy a longterm policy at a higher premium.
And since he was close enough in the draft to make a run at a QB on the highly desired rookie contract, Schoen gave Maye a serious look.
But he was only willing to pay so much. And ultimately backed out knowing he had a plan 1B: new WR for Jones and Lock on a one year deal as downside protection.
Schoen still likes Jones, but the injuries have become a major risk. So, he needed QB insurance, and he was willing to buy a longterm policy at a higher premium.
And since he was close enough in the draft to make a run at a QB on the highly desired rookie contract, Schoen gave Maye a serious look.
But he was only willing to pay so much. And ultimately backed out knowing he had a plan 1B: new WR for Jones and Lock on a one year deal as downside protection.
I’ll try this again
You have literally no idea what Schoen was willing to pay and neither do I
And yes….regardless of the deal or any deal for that matter there is always awaking away point….
Just more of the same nonsense that you keep spewing that the organization prefers Jones….heck else what else would you have to post about
Schoen still likes Jones, but the injuries have become a major risk. So, he needed QB insurance, and he was willing to buy a longterm policy at a higher premium.
And since he was close enough in the draft to make a run at a QB on the highly desired rookie contract, Schoen gave Maye a serious look.
But he was only willing to pay so much. And ultimately backed out knowing he had a plan 1B: new WR for Jones and Lock on a one year deal as downside protection.
And let’s try this again
My response was that they weren’t trying to trade up to 3 for a right tackle
You choose to take the discussion into another direction which had literally nothing to do with my response
dated at this point, the risk of reinjuring the knee after an ACL redo is substantially higher at 8 months when returning to full athletic competition. Ten months you should be good to go.
This may be what Schoen was alluding to when he mentioned Jones might not be a go until 3 or 4 weeks into the season.
And I know others have come back at 8 months (Adrian Peterson).
Peterson's return in eight months and two weeks is regarded as the greatest, most successful one from a torn ACL and knee reconstruction in recent sports history. National stories on Peterson in that 2012 NFL season had headlines such as “Adrian Peterson: Best ACL recovery ever?”
As a parent going thru recovery with a 16 year old very high level wrestler we are being told the biggest time of risk is the 3-6 month post op mark. That is when the graft is at its weakest point. Each month after 6 the risk largely decreases up until the 9 month mark. At that time the risk of retear decreases very little from 9 months on.
His and anyone's return should be based on the metrics they hit.
Our return to play can happen anytime from 6 to 12 months. The criteria to return is this:
1. Quad and hamstring strength at least 90% of opposite leg
2. One leg hop test and vertical jump at least 90% of opposite leg.
3 Jog, Full speed run, shuttle run, and figure 8 running without a limp.
4. Full controlled acceleration and deceleration.
5. deep squat and full rise from squat without issue.
6. No effusion or quadriceps atrophy.
We are hoping to be cleared for the start of wrestling season which would be 9 months post op and are on pace to do so but will be cautious.
RE: RE: From what I've read, and the info might be a bit......
dated at this point, the risk of reinjuring the knee after an ACL redo is substantially higher at 8 months when returning to full athletic competition. Ten months you should be good to go.
This may be what Schoen was alluding to when he mentioned Jones might not be a go until 3 or 4 weeks into the season.
And I know others have come back at 8 months (Adrian Peterson).
Peterson's return in eight months and two weeks is regarded as the greatest, most successful one from a torn ACL and knee reconstruction in recent sports history. National stories on Peterson in that 2012 NFL season had headlines such as “Adrian Peterson: Best ACL recovery ever?”
As a parent going thru recovery with a 16 year old very high level wrestler we are being told the biggest time of risk is the 3-6 month post op mark. That is when the graft is at its weakest point. Each month after 6 the risk largely decreases up until the 9 month mark. At that time the risk of retear decreases very little from 9 months on.
His and anyone's return should be based on the metrics they hit.
Our return to play can happen anytime from 6 to 12 months. The criteria to return is this:
1. Quad and hamstring strength at least 90% of opposite leg
2. One leg hop test and vertical jump at least 90% of opposite leg.
3 Jog, Full speed run, shuttle run, and figure 8 running without a limp.
4. Full controlled acceleration and deceleration.
5. deep squat and full rise from squat without issue.
6. No effusion or quadriceps atrophy.
We are hoping to be cleared for the start of wrestling season which would be 9 months post op and are on pace to do so but will be cautious.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing and best of luck to your son!!
Due to slower reactions.....he needs a competent OL.
Daniel Jones came out of college winging it.....his conservativness started with Judge and he became risk averse.
I hope he is reading the tea leaves " he is not being paid to hand off"....and he has the horses and reliable options.
Much like Eli....the OL must be competent!
The big difference between Jones and a good qb is that the good qb can see how the play is going to develop and where the window is going to be to throw the ball. Call it where the receiver has leverage if you like.
If you want a downfield passing game, you can't sit back there and hang your o-line out to dry waiting and waiting for a receiver to come wide open before you decide to throw the ball. The defenders are too quick, too fast and have spent too much time studying your offense.
If you look at the play to Manningham in the Super Bowl, Manningham was blanketed when the ball was thrown; it was thrown to the spot where he was going to be open; where he had leverage.
Jones is not good at it and has never been good at it. I anticipate he is going to look much as he has: 200 yards and a td a game and Y/A south of 7 and a few more picks. It's a shame but it is what it is.
Yes, he looks like a qb from central casting. Always has.
Hope he is 100% healed and ready to play.
He has definitely bulked off this offseason. He is carrying more upper body muscle then he has in the past, which probably means he is portionally carrying more. My guess is he did this to protect against those neck injuries. It now honestly looks like his shoulder muscles are noticably bigger making that neck fractionally less susceptible. I have never seen him this muscular.
I have no issue with you thinking DJ sucks. I have no issue with you being bummed we didn't draft a QB.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
RE: RE: Everyone acknowledges Daniel Jones is not the perfect QB
Due to slower reactions.....he needs a competent OL.
Daniel Jones came out of college winging it.....his conservativness started with Judge and he became risk averse.
I hope he is reading the tea leaves " he is not being paid to hand off"....and he has the horses and reliable options.
Much like Eli....the OL must be competent!
The big difference between Jones and a good qb is that the good qb can see how the play is going to develop and where the window is going to be to throw the ball. Call it where the receiver has leverage if you like.
If you want a downfield passing game, you can't sit back there and hang your o-line out to dry waiting and waiting for a receiver to come wide open before you decide to throw the ball. The defenders are too quick, too fast and have spent too much time studying your offense.
If you look at the play to Manningham in the Super Bowl, Manningham was blanketed when the ball was thrown; it was thrown to the spot where he was going to be open; where he had leverage.
Jones is not good at it and has never been good at it. I anticipate he is going to look much as he has: 200 yards and a td a game and Y/A south of 7 and a few more picks. It's a shame but it is what it is.
Post of the day material... "ang your o-line out to dry" LOL. Watch some football dude and maybe you'll realize you got this one 100% backwards.
"he was going to be open; where he had leverage." Manningham WASN'T even slightly open and had ZERO leverage. Watch the play. It was as if Eli handed him the ball. Perfect throw, one of the best all time but Manningham, who made a great catch, wasn't open.
After watching the first two episodes of 'Hard Knocks', I still have no clue what Schoen thinks of Jones deep down. The evidence thus far...contract, not drafting a QB at all, signing Lock suggests Joe thinks he can win with Jones. I think that's loco, but who am I? I'm just a poster on BBI.
As for Mara, I think he loves Jones like he's a son.
I slightly disagree. Unless it was premeditated for the show since they’re stuck with him at least this season…when he said even Patrick Mahomes couldn’t succeed behind the OL we had. Not going all in on Barkley, our best offensive player, drafting Nabers and trying to fix the OL as best he could, I feel he still likes DJ… especially “IF” the talk of trading up was for Alt, Harrison, Nabers and not Maye.
I have no issue with you thinking DJ sucks. I have no issue with you being bummed we didn't draft a QB.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
I have no issue with you thinking DJ sucks. I have no issue with you being bummed we didn't draft a QB.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
I'm assuming I'm in your bucket of '25', but I really don't turn every thread into a 'Jones bashing thread'. To be quite honest, I don't really even talk about him much anymore because what's there to say? I'm dug in. You're dug in. Terps is dug in. There isn't really a lot of nuance here. & also, this is a thread about Daniel Jones! Haha.
Big, strong, agile, and accurate. But then sucks on the field. There has to be a mental side of the game that has not clicked with Jones.
Yeah. Its called getting this shit knocked out of you in 0.8 seconds every drop back.
Lets see what happens if he has a little time and something that resembles a consistent pocket.
LOL. The excuses continue to continue. Hopefully the Giants will have surrounded Jones with the perfect scenario by 2028! Then, he can really show us something!
I have no issue with you thinking DJ sucks. I have no issue with you being bummed we didn't draft a QB.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
When inevitably happens and people like you who have praised Jones on his ‘accomplishments’, it’s too bad you likely won’t be here because, you won’t be able to be reminded of your idiocy. You’ll be gone. Tail tucked.
I have no issue with you thinking DJ sucks. I have no issue with you being bummed we didn't draft a QB.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
When inevitably happens and people like you who have praised Jones on his ‘accomplishments’, it’s too bad you likely won’t be here because, you won’t be able to be reminded of your idiocy. You’ll be gone. Tail tucked.
I would like you to find a SINGLE POST where I praised DJ's play. I'll wait.
I have no issue with you thinking DJ sucks. I have no issue with you being bummed we didn't draft a QB.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
What are you going to say? "Hey, I told you jackasses that Jones would finally breakthrough in year six..."
I'll be glad to congratulate you on your foresight...
I have no issue with you thinking DJ sucks. I have no issue with you being bummed we didn't draft a QB.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
I feel it is more the other way around. So many threads get turned into praise of Jones.
As a fan of the Giants, I root for Jones to succeed. Did I want a new QB? Sure. But, when they didn't get one, Jones remained the guy and our success as a team hinges on his success as a QB. With an improved OL and Nabers in tow, along with Robinson, Hyatt, and Slayton and a competent Singletary behind him, I do expect an improvement. As I have said, though, that improvement has to be HUGE to make a real impact.
As for bashing, again I don't see a lot of these threads as being turned into bashing. It is reality, Jones has not been a very good QB, regardless of why you think that. If you believe it is mostly due to the talent around him, then this year better be different. If you believe it is his deficiencies as a QB, then you probably don't believe any improvement will be significant enough to take us to the top of the division.
My take, and it has been pretty clear for 2 years now, is that he did not earn a $40M+ per year contract prior to signing it and he sure as shit didn't look like a $40M+ QB after. I acknowledge the OL sucked. But, I also believe a true elite QB makes more of things than he has. A true elite QB still elevates the offense, regardless. That doesn't mean I expected the offense to be elite, but they should at least look competent, which they have not. When multiple analysts show, even with pressure, where reads are missed, hot reads are missed, etc. I worry because that was year 5. Those should be the things we see regularly.
So, I am cautiously optimistic this year. I do like the OL coach signing and the OL FAs signed along with what seems to be a true #1 WR now, to compliment some other talented and young WRs. So, I do expect the offense to look a lot better. How much is what worries me. I am rooting for Jones to finally look like the QB who makes $40M+, but I am worried he won't until it happens.
I think a lot of the people who are critical of Jones, myself included, are doing so from a place of facts, stats, and what we see. I can't speak for everyone, but I confidently believe most of the posters would love to come here and eat crow. However, that crow will look more like "finally" than anything else. Ultimately, I would be thrilled if we finally see a 25+ TD season (really I want over 30), with some 2020s passing yardage, as well. I don't care if it's because of improvements in personnel and coaching. But, I will say that a true elite QB, which many believe Jones will be, should not need everything to perfect in order to just look competent.
I have no issue with you thinking DJ sucks. I have no issue with you being bummed we didn't draft a QB.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
What exactly happens in 4 months?
If you are going to remind some that they may look like asses, you should put yourself out there as well with what you expect to happen.
I have no issue with you thinking DJ sucks. I have no issue with you being bummed we didn't draft a QB.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
It’s precious how you continuously think you’re being cute with your infantile “chumps” rhetoric. So, who exactly in this scenario is the chump? Those that use facts, data and past history for their opinions or the ass clown that uses hopes, wishes and fantasies for theirs?
There’s only one CHUMP on this thread and it’s you. Chump.
You must be a Jones fanboy. Evidence: the guy that has called people he disagrees with “chumps” in several posts over several days and is defending Jones gets no reply from you. The minute someone that has been critical of Jones responds with the same “chump” comment, you get all hot and bothered and THAT’S when you respond with your hypocritical “anonymous internet tough guys” post. It’s freakin amateur hour around here.
You know what, I will continue to be critical of Jones
until he gives me a reason not to be. His play, in 5 years hasn't done that. His contract hasn't done that. And, I'm not getting completely sucked in if he has 1 good game either. We need to see consistently good play from him. Period. I'm not going to apologize for not loving less than mediocre play or for not overly enthusiastically applauding the one good year, 2022, which was a mediocre year by modern QB standards. When we see better than that, I will be more than thrilled.
That's a fair take. Listen, I get people being frustrated AF with the Jones dialogue. This is YEAR SIX & it feels like we're spinning our wheels with this 'Well, if _____ & _____, Jones might have a good season.' & there's a segment of us-which I fall into-that think we know what we got in Jones & are long past ready to move on. The discourse is repetitive, toxic, & tiring.
I think everyone-absent Jack Stroud-just wants to move on if only to stop debating Jones.
That's a fair take. Listen, I get people being frustrated AF with the Jones dialogue. This is YEAR SIX & it feels like we're spinning our wheels with this 'Well, if _____ & _____, Jones might have a good season.' & there's a segment of us-which I fall into-that think we know what we got in Jones & are long past ready to move on. The discourse is repetitive, toxic, & tiring.
I think everyone-absent Jack Stroud-just wants to move on if only to stop debating Jones.
I would love to NOT have to move on. But, for me, anything absent a ridiculous top 5 QB season, means this is the end of the line. I don't think that ridiculous season is a plausible outcome.
I admit, I was torn at the end of 2022. His season and the playoff win won me over just enough to want to re-sign him. Nut, the catch was I would only have re-signed him maxing out at $25M, which is more than I really thought they should pay him. I was resigned to the fact that even $25M seemed unrealistic and was expecting $30 or $35M. But $40M+? Come on.
And I don't want to hear about how in a few years that is middle of the pack. That is an obscene amount of money, which is still top 1/3 (or better?) in the league and he hasn't earned it. If he FULLY earns it this year, then let's roll. But, if not, they absolutely HAVE TO move on. The OL should be on the upswing, he has a true #1 WR with a pretty good supporting WR cast, and a decent enough RB and an intriguing rookie TE to go along with Bellinger. Plus, I expect the new DC to improve that unit to make them a competitive team this year. So, we better see more than mediocre play at the QB spot.
I recognize how annoying I am at this point, but I strongly advise anyone who thinks Jones won't return to get ready.
The terms of the contract make it very easy to keep Jones next year, at a steep cash discount.
He would only cost 30M in new dollars. It's essentially a 1/30M contract. If they intend on drafting a quarterback, that is a very attractive bridge deal for both sides.
I recognize how annoying I am at this point, but I strongly advise anyone who thinks Jones won't return to get ready.
The terms of the contract make it very easy to keep Jones next year, at a steep cash discount.
He would only cost 30M in new dollars. It's essentially a 1/30M contract. If they intend on drafting a quarterback, that is a very attractive bridge deal for both sides.
I’d be fine with that scenario as long as they drafted his replacement
I recognize how annoying I am at this point, but I strongly advise anyone who thinks Jones won't return to get ready.
The terms of the contract make it very easy to keep Jones next year, at a steep cash discount.
He would only cost 30M in new dollars. It's essentially a 1/30M contract. If they intend on drafting a quarterback, that is a very attractive bridge deal for both sides.
I’d be fine with that scenario as long as they drafted his replacement
If they are looking for his replacement after this season, then that is $39M too much. Period.
I recognize how annoying I am at this point, but I strongly advise anyone who thinks Jones won't return to get ready.
The terms of the contract make it very easy to keep Jones next year, at a steep cash discount.
He would only cost 30M in new dollars. It's essentially a 1/30M contract. If they intend on drafting a quarterback, that is a very attractive bridge deal for both sides.
I’d be fine with that scenario as long as they drafted his replacement
If they are looking for his replacement after this season, then that is $39M too much. Period.
While true….but the flip side is there is a place to replace him
As a parent going thru recovery with a 16 year old very high level wrestler we are being told the biggest time of risk is the 3-6 month post op mark. That is when the graft is at its weakest point. Each month after 6 the risk largely decreases up until the 9 month mark. At that time the risk of retear decreases very little from 9 months on.
His and anyone's return should be based on the metrics they hit.
Our return to play can happen anytime from 6 to 12 months. The criteria to return is this:
We are hoping to be cleared for the start of wrestling season which would be 9 months post op and are on pace to do so but will be cautious.
Best wishes on your son's recovery. Out of curiosity as a parent of wrestler myself (and having experienced similar injury in my own career), what school is he at?
The minute by minute trashing that happens here is childish.
I wanna break it down for you all.
Daboll made QBs look good everywhere, he is taking over play calling. People thought Tua was a bust, we can roll out the criticisms here. It turns out that if you marginally protect a QB and design an offense around playmakers, then have playmakers in the system, the QB looks good.
It will happen here.
The reason why we still have Jones is because Daboll wants him. He wanted a WR not a QB because he knows Jones has the skills to run HIS offense, Daboll was fiending over Nabers.
Because he thinks Jones sucks?
College is turning out playmakers, Daboll has an offense that focuses on the playmakers over the QB. Part of the reason Tua looked good at Alabama was Daboll.
Christian is right, 30m in 2025 might make Schoen look very smart. He either has a bargain QB or reasonable bridge on his last year. Looks good to me.
The minute by minute trashing that happens here is childish.
I wanna break it down for you all.
Daboll made QBs look good everywhere, he is taking over play calling. People thought Tua was a bust, we can roll out the criticisms here. It turns out that if you marginally protect a QB and design an offense around playmakers, then have playmakers in the system, the QB looks good.
It will happen here.
The reason why we still have Jones is because Daboll wants him. He wanted a WR not a QB because he knows Jones has the skills to run HIS offense, Daboll was fiending over Nabers.
Because he thinks Jones sucks?
College is turning out playmakers, Daboll has an offense that focuses on the playmakers over the QB. Part of the reason Tua looked good at Alabama was Daboll.
Christian is right, 30m in 2025 might make Schoen look very smart. He either has a bargain QB or reasonable bridge on his last year. Looks good to me.
Pffffft. Hahahahahahaha.
What a load of shit.
Defending Jones and making up shit to prove a narrative
past, NYGiant or non-NY Giant. He is a clear and known quantity. His body of work has approx. 60 starts.
And the chance that he still becomes what we want or need to win a superbowl is so extremely unlikely that it isn’t worth finding a comp in a desperate attempt to win a silly debate. That’s just grasping at straws and making the author of such posts look moronic.
RE: RE: I really think he is going to give every pundit and fan trashing him
Maybe getting paid took away some of the desire and drive? I think with his back against the wall and his career on the line along with a far more well rounded cast he has a big season.
Honestly I hope he does. I hope he has a winning season and over 30 total TDs.
He's going to do something he's never coming close to doing? OK...
I can't wait to see Tomon Fox get 27 sacks this year and prove he's better than Lawrence Taylor...hey this is fun!
Excluding '19, he's thrown a whopping 38 regular season TDs in 47 regular season games.
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For all of you chump haters that can't wait to bash DJ in every thread, see a 35 TD season.
He's going to do something he's never coming close to doing? OK...
I can't wait to see Tomon Fox get 27 sacks this year and prove he's better than Lawrence Taylor...hey this is fun!
To be fair, Fox has been held back by terrible coaches and teammates his entire life. He’s a victim of incredibly poor circumstances. I mean, did you see that sack he had against Tennessee in that magical ‘22 season? THAT is the real Tomon Fox so 27 sacks isn’t out of the question this season
Same. He is not the QB of the future for the Giants, but if he can have a career year we will have an interesting season and can possibly even get something for him in the offseason.
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I am ready to move on from Jones, but I hope he kills it this year. Because as many know, what the fridge do I know?
Same. He is not the QB of the future for the Giants, but if he can have a career year we will have an interesting season and can possibly even get something for him in the offseason.
If he has a career year he is much more likely to get a massive extension than be traded. This regime desperately wants him to be the guy
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I am ready to move on from Jones, but I hope he kills it this year. Because as many know, what the fridge do I know?
Same. He is not the QB of the future for the Giants, but if he can have a career year we will have an interesting season and can possibly even get something for him in the offseason.
If he has a career year he is much more likely to get a massive extension than be traded. This regime desperately wants him to be the guy
I know. I think Mara and Schoen are looking for excuses to keep him rather than trying to upgrade a position of weakness.
As for Mara, I think he loves Jones like he's a son.
More likely he throws 19 and you react like he threw 35.
As for Mara, I think he loves Jones like he's a son.
Then why did they try to trade up to #3?
Not buying that one at all
You don’t give up multiple number 1’s for a right tackle
Then why did they try to trade up to #3?
I can take a crack at this (again).
Schoen still likes Jones, but the injuries have become a major risk. So, he needed QB insurance, and he was willing to buy a longterm policy at a higher premium.
And since he was close enough in the draft to make a run at a QB on the highly desired rookie contract, Schoen gave Maye a serious look.
But he was only willing to pay so much. And ultimately backed out knowing he had a plan 1B: new WR for Jones and Lock on a one year deal as downside protection.
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Then why did they try to trade up to #3?
I can take a crack at this (again).
Schoen still likes Jones, but the injuries have become a major risk. So, he needed QB insurance, and he was willing to buy a longterm policy at a higher premium.
And since he was close enough in the draft to make a run at a QB on the highly desired rookie contract, Schoen gave Maye a serious look.
But he was only willing to pay so much. And ultimately backed out knowing he had a plan 1B: new WR for Jones and Lock on a one year deal as downside protection.
I’ll try this again
You have literally no idea what Schoen was willing to pay and neither do I
And yes….regardless of the deal or any deal for that matter there is always awaking away point….
Just more of the same nonsense that you keep spewing that the organization prefers Jones….heck else what else would you have to post about
Speculation is not fact
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Then why did they try to trade up to #3?
I can take a crack at this (again).
Schoen still likes Jones, but the injuries have become a major risk. So, he needed QB insurance, and he was willing to buy a longterm policy at a higher premium.
And since he was close enough in the draft to make a run at a QB on the highly desired rookie contract, Schoen gave Maye a serious look.
But he was only willing to pay so much. And ultimately backed out knowing he had a plan 1B: new WR for Jones and Lock on a one year deal as downside protection.
And let’s try this again
My response was that they weren’t trying to trade up to 3 for a right tackle
You choose to take the discussion into another direction which had literally nothing to do with my response
I’ll try this again
You have literally no idea what Schoen was willing to pay and neither do I
And yes….regardless of the deal or any deal for that matter there is always awaking away point….
Just more of the same nonsense that you keep spewing that the organization prefers Jones….heck else what else would you have to post about
Speculation is not fact
I thought speculation was clearly implied. Had it been a fact, I would have used "reported" or the phrase "we know".
I do think we can say for a fact that Schoen preferred Jones over Penix, Nix, and McCarthy.
This topic sure doesn't keep you away, either.
This may be what Schoen was alluding to when he mentioned Jones might not be a go until 3 or 4 weeks into the season.
And I know others have come back at 8 months (Adrian Peterson).
Peterson's return in eight months and two weeks is regarded as the greatest, most successful one from a torn ACL and knee reconstruction in recent sports history. National stories on Peterson in that 2012 NFL season had headlines such as “Adrian Peterson: Best ACL recovery ever?”
As a parent going thru recovery with a 16 year old very high level wrestler we are being told the biggest time of risk is the 3-6 month post op mark. That is when the graft is at its weakest point. Each month after 6 the risk largely decreases up until the 9 month mark. At that time the risk of retear decreases very little from 9 months on.
His and anyone's return should be based on the metrics they hit.
Our return to play can happen anytime from 6 to 12 months. The criteria to return is this:
1. Quad and hamstring strength at least 90% of opposite leg
2. One leg hop test and vertical jump at least 90% of opposite leg.
3 Jog, Full speed run, shuttle run, and figure 8 running without a limp.
4. Full controlled acceleration and deceleration.
5. deep squat and full rise from squat without issue.
6. No effusion or quadriceps atrophy.
We are hoping to be cleared for the start of wrestling season which would be 9 months post op and are on pace to do so but will be cautious.
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dated at this point, the risk of reinjuring the knee after an ACL redo is substantially higher at 8 months when returning to full athletic competition. Ten months you should be good to go.
This may be what Schoen was alluding to when he mentioned Jones might not be a go until 3 or 4 weeks into the season.
And I know others have come back at 8 months (Adrian Peterson).
Peterson's return in eight months and two weeks is regarded as the greatest, most successful one from a torn ACL and knee reconstruction in recent sports history. National stories on Peterson in that 2012 NFL season had headlines such as “Adrian Peterson: Best ACL recovery ever?”
As a parent going thru recovery with a 16 year old very high level wrestler we are being told the biggest time of risk is the 3-6 month post op mark. That is when the graft is at its weakest point. Each month after 6 the risk largely decreases up until the 9 month mark. At that time the risk of retear decreases very little from 9 months on.
His and anyone's return should be based on the metrics they hit.
Our return to play can happen anytime from 6 to 12 months. The criteria to return is this:
1. Quad and hamstring strength at least 90% of opposite leg
2. One leg hop test and vertical jump at least 90% of opposite leg.
3 Jog, Full speed run, shuttle run, and figure 8 running without a limp.
4. Full controlled acceleration and deceleration.
5. deep squat and full rise from squat without issue.
6. No effusion or quadriceps atrophy.
We are hoping to be cleared for the start of wrestling season which would be 9 months post op and are on pace to do so but will be cautious.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing and best of luck to your son!!
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I’ll try this again
You have literally no idea what Schoen was willing to pay and neither do I
And yes….regardless of the deal or any deal for that matter there is always awaking away point….
Just more of the same nonsense that you keep spewing that the organization prefers Jones….heck else what else would you have to post about
Speculation is not fact
I thought speculation was clearly implied. Had it been a fact, I would have used "reported" or the phrase "we know".
I do think we can say for a fact that Schoen preferred Jones over Penix, Nix, and McCarthy.
This topic sure doesn't keep you away, either.
Nor does it keep you away either….does it?
So back to my original point which was I doubt they would have traded up to 3 for a right tackle
You choose to not even remotely address what I said and go into a direction that I didn’t even address…well done
Nor does it keep you away either….does it?
So back to my original point which was I doubt they would have traded up to 3 for a right tackle
You choose to not even remotely address what I said and go into a direction that I didn’t even address…well done
It looks like I misread your post(s). My bad.
I never thought T was the target on the potential move up. That was agree on. I could have seen, however, going T at six.
Due to slower reactions.....he needs a competent OL.
Daniel Jones came out of college winging it.....his conservativness started with Judge and he became risk averse.
I hope he is reading the tea leaves " he is not being paid to hand off"....and he has the horses and reliable options.
Much like Eli....the OL must be competent!
If you want a downfield passing game, you can't sit back there and hang your o-line out to dry waiting and waiting for a receiver to come wide open before you decide to throw the ball. The defenders are too quick, too fast and have spent too much time studying your offense.
If you look at the play to Manningham in the Super Bowl, Manningham was blanketed when the ball was thrown; it was thrown to the spot where he was going to be open; where he had leverage.
Jones is not good at it and has never been good at it. I anticipate he is going to look much as he has: 200 yards and a td a game and Y/A south of 7 and a few more picks. It's a shame but it is what it is.
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Footwork looks quick as does the release.
Yes, he looks like a qb from central casting. Always has.
Hope he is 100% healed and ready to play.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
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He needs resources
Due to slower reactions.....he needs a competent OL.
Daniel Jones came out of college winging it.....his conservativness started with Judge and he became risk averse.
I hope he is reading the tea leaves " he is not being paid to hand off"....and he has the horses and reliable options.
Much like Eli....the OL must be competent!
The big difference between Jones and a good qb is that the good qb can see how the play is going to develop and where the window is going to be to throw the ball. Call it where the receiver has leverage if you like.
If you want a downfield passing game, you can't sit back there and hang your o-line out to dry waiting and waiting for a receiver to come wide open before you decide to throw the ball. The defenders are too quick, too fast and have spent too much time studying your offense.
If you look at the play to Manningham in the Super Bowl, Manningham was blanketed when the ball was thrown; it was thrown to the spot where he was going to be open; where he had leverage.
Jones is not good at it and has never been good at it. I anticipate he is going to look much as he has: 200 yards and a td a game and Y/A south of 7 and a few more picks. It's a shame but it is what it is.
Post of the day material... "ang your o-line out to dry" LOL. Watch some football dude and maybe you'll realize you got this one 100% backwards.
"he was going to be open; where he had leverage." Manningham WASN'T even slightly open and had ZERO leverage. Watch the play. It was as if Eli handed him the ball. Perfect throw, one of the best all time but Manningham, who made a great catch, wasn't open.
As for Mara, I think he loves Jones like he's a son.
I slightly disagree. Unless it was premeditated for the show since they’re stuck with him at least this season…when he said even Patrick Mahomes couldn’t succeed behind the OL we had. Not going all in on Barkley, our best offensive player, drafting Nabers and trying to fix the OL as best he could, I feel he still likes DJ… especially “IF” the talk of trading up was for Alt, Harrison, Nabers and not Maye.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
Yeah but we're not going to.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
I'm assuming I'm in your bucket of '25', but I really don't turn every thread into a 'Jones bashing thread'. To be quite honest, I don't really even talk about him much anymore because what's there to say? I'm dug in. You're dug in. Terps is dug in. There isn't really a lot of nuance here. & also, this is a thread about Daniel Jones! Haha.
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Big, strong, agile, and accurate. But then sucks on the field. There has to be a mental side of the game that has not clicked with Jones.
Yeah. Its called getting this shit knocked out of you in 0.8 seconds every drop back.
Lets see what happens if he has a little time and something that resembles a consistent pocket.
LOL. The excuses continue to continue. Hopefully the Giants will have surrounded Jones with the perfect scenario by 2028! Then, he can really show us something!
Delusional
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
When inevitably happens and people like you who have praised Jones on his ‘accomplishments’, it’s too bad you likely won’t be here because, you won’t be able to be reminded of your idiocy. You’ll be gone. Tail tucked.
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I have no issue with you thinking DJ sucks. I have no issue with you being bummed we didn't draft a QB.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
When inevitably happens and people like you who have praised Jones on his ‘accomplishments’, it’s too bad you likely won’t be here because, you won’t be able to be reminded of your idiocy. You’ll be gone. Tail tucked.
I would like you to find a SINGLE POST where I praised DJ's play. I'll wait.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
What are you going to say? "Hey, I told you jackasses that Jones would finally breakthrough in year six..."
I'll be glad to congratulate you on your foresight...
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
As a fan of the Giants, I root for Jones to succeed. Did I want a new QB? Sure. But, when they didn't get one, Jones remained the guy and our success as a team hinges on his success as a QB. With an improved OL and Nabers in tow, along with Robinson, Hyatt, and Slayton and a competent Singletary behind him, I do expect an improvement. As I have said, though, that improvement has to be HUGE to make a real impact.
As for bashing, again I don't see a lot of these threads as being turned into bashing. It is reality, Jones has not been a very good QB, regardless of why you think that. If you believe it is mostly due to the talent around him, then this year better be different. If you believe it is his deficiencies as a QB, then you probably don't believe any improvement will be significant enough to take us to the top of the division.
My take, and it has been pretty clear for 2 years now, is that he did not earn a $40M+ per year contract prior to signing it and he sure as shit didn't look like a $40M+ QB after. I acknowledge the OL sucked. But, I also believe a true elite QB makes more of things than he has. A true elite QB still elevates the offense, regardless. That doesn't mean I expected the offense to be elite, but they should at least look competent, which they have not. When multiple analysts show, even with pressure, where reads are missed, hot reads are missed, etc. I worry because that was year 5. Those should be the things we see regularly.
So, I am cautiously optimistic this year. I do like the OL coach signing and the OL FAs signed along with what seems to be a true #1 WR now, to compliment some other talented and young WRs. So, I do expect the offense to look a lot better. How much is what worries me. I am rooting for Jones to finally look like the QB who makes $40M+, but I am worried he won't until it happens.
I think a lot of the people who are critical of Jones, myself included, are doing so from a place of facts, stats, and what we see. I can't speak for everyone, but I confidently believe most of the posters would love to come here and eat crow. However, that crow will look more like "finally" than anything else. Ultimately, I would be thrilled if we finally see a 25+ TD season (really I want over 30), with some 2020s passing yardage, as well. I don't care if it's because of improvements in personnel and coaching. But, I will say that a true elite QB, which many believe Jones will be, should not need everything to perfect in order to just look competent.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
What exactly happens in 4 months?
If you are going to remind some that they may look like asses, you should put yourself out there as well with what you expect to happen.
Look forward to reading your next post 4xchamps.
My issue...The same 25 of you turning every thread into a Jones bashing thread. You bash the guy at every single opportunity. So yeah, I hope you look like the J@ck@$$e$ you are in 4 months. Oh and I'll remind you when you do...
It’s precious how you continuously think you’re being cute with your infantile “chumps” rhetoric. So, who exactly in this scenario is the chump? Those that use facts, data and past history for their opinions or the ass clown that uses hopes, wishes and fantasies for theirs?
There’s only one CHUMP on this thread and it’s you. Chump.
You must be a Jones fanboy. Evidence: the guy that has called people he disagrees with “chumps” in several posts over several days and is defending Jones gets no reply from you. The minute someone that has been critical of Jones responds with the same “chump” comment, you get all hot and bothered and THAT’S when you respond with your hypocritical “anonymous internet tough guys” post. It’s freakin amateur hour around here.
I think everyone-absent Jack Stroud-just wants to move on if only to stop debating Jones.
I think everyone-absent Jack Stroud-just wants to move on if only to stop debating Jones.
I admit, I was torn at the end of 2022. His season and the playoff win won me over just enough to want to re-sign him. Nut, the catch was I would only have re-signed him maxing out at $25M, which is more than I really thought they should pay him. I was resigned to the fact that even $25M seemed unrealistic and was expecting $30 or $35M. But $40M+? Come on.
And I don't want to hear about how in a few years that is middle of the pack. That is an obscene amount of money, which is still top 1/3 (or better?) in the league and he hasn't earned it. If he FULLY earns it this year, then let's roll. But, if not, they absolutely HAVE TO move on. The OL should be on the upswing, he has a true #1 WR with a pretty good supporting WR cast, and a decent enough RB and an intriguing rookie TE to go along with Bellinger. Plus, I expect the new DC to improve that unit to make them a competitive team this year. So, we better see more than mediocre play at the QB spot.
As usual you embarrass yourself and whoever raised your dumbass…..but looky here you actually said something meaningful. Progress!
The terms of the contract make it very easy to keep Jones next year, at a steep cash discount.
He would only cost 30M in new dollars. It's essentially a 1/30M contract. If they intend on drafting a quarterback, that is a very attractive bridge deal for both sides.
The terms of the contract make it very easy to keep Jones next year, at a steep cash discount.
He would only cost 30M in new dollars. It's essentially a 1/30M contract. If they intend on drafting a quarterback, that is a very attractive bridge deal for both sides.
I’d be fine with that scenario as long as they drafted his replacement
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I recognize how annoying I am at this point, but I strongly advise anyone who thinks Jones won't return to get ready.
The terms of the contract make it very easy to keep Jones next year, at a steep cash discount.
He would only cost 30M in new dollars. It's essentially a 1/30M contract. If they intend on drafting a quarterback, that is a very attractive bridge deal for both sides.
I’d be fine with that scenario as long as they drafted his replacement
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I recognize how annoying I am at this point, but I strongly advise anyone who thinks Jones won't return to get ready.
The terms of the contract make it very easy to keep Jones next year, at a steep cash discount.
He would only cost 30M in new dollars. It's essentially a 1/30M contract. If they intend on drafting a quarterback, that is a very attractive bridge deal for both sides.
I’d be fine with that scenario as long as they drafted his replacement
If they are looking for his replacement after this season, then that is $39M too much. Period.
While true….but the flip side is there is a place to replace him
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As a parent going thru recovery with a 16 year old very high level wrestler we are being told the biggest time of risk is the 3-6 month post op mark. That is when the graft is at its weakest point. Each month after 6 the risk largely decreases up until the 9 month mark. At that time the risk of retear decreases very little from 9 months on.
His and anyone's return should be based on the metrics they hit.
Our return to play can happen anytime from 6 to 12 months. The criteria to return is this:
We are hoping to be cleared for the start of wrestling season which would be 9 months post op and are on pace to do so but will be cautious.
Best wishes on your son's recovery. Out of curiosity as a parent of wrestler myself (and having experienced similar injury in my own career), what school is he at?
Criticism of Jones is warranted.
The minute by minute trashing that happens here is childish.
I wanna break it down for you all.
Daboll made QBs look good everywhere, he is taking over play calling. People thought Tua was a bust, we can roll out the criticisms here. It turns out that if you marginally protect a QB and design an offense around playmakers, then have playmakers in the system, the QB looks good.
It will happen here.
The reason why we still have Jones is because Daboll wants him. He wanted a WR not a QB because he knows Jones has the skills to run HIS offense, Daboll was fiending over Nabers.
Because he thinks Jones sucks?
College is turning out playmakers, Daboll has an offense that focuses on the playmakers over the QB. Part of the reason Tua looked good at Alabama was Daboll.
Christian is right, 30m in 2025 might make Schoen look very smart. He either has a bargain QB or reasonable bridge on his last year. Looks good to me.
Criticism of Jones is warranted.
The minute by minute trashing that happens here is childish.
I wanna break it down for you all.
Daboll made QBs look good everywhere, he is taking over play calling. People thought Tua was a bust, we can roll out the criticisms here. It turns out that if you marginally protect a QB and design an offense around playmakers, then have playmakers in the system, the QB looks good.
It will happen here.
The reason why we still have Jones is because Daboll wants him. He wanted a WR not a QB because he knows Jones has the skills to run HIS offense, Daboll was fiending over Nabers.
Because he thinks Jones sucks?
College is turning out playmakers, Daboll has an offense that focuses on the playmakers over the QB. Part of the reason Tua looked good at Alabama was Daboll.
Christian is right, 30m in 2025 might make Schoen look very smart. He either has a bargain QB or reasonable bridge on his last year. Looks good to me.
Pffffft. Hahahahahahaha.
What a load of shit.
Tired excuses and wishful thinking.
When you’re wrong, you likely won’t be here so, no worries.
And the chance that he still becomes what we want or need to win a superbowl is so extremely unlikely that it isn’t worth finding a comp in a desperate attempt to win a silly debate. That’s just grasping at straws and making the author of such posts look moronic.
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A big ol shit burger to eat.
Maybe getting paid took away some of the desire and drive? I think with his back against the wall and his career on the line along with a far more well rounded cast he has a big season.
Honestly I hope he does. I hope he has a winning season and over 30 total TDs.
Oh man, that's a lot of pick-sixes.