NFT: Jalen Brunson signs 4 year extension at huge discount

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In comment 16553054 Jon In NYC said: Quote: it's going to be tough to keep Kolek out of a rotation that is dying for a playmaker behind Brunson. Fans are gonna love this guy. Buy stock now. I believe I read that team brass feel like he's good for 9-12 a night. As he should be, given his age and seasoning.

So if Brunson plays 36 (as he should) and Kolek plays 12 (as he should) I’m not sure how Deuce plays with DVo and Bridges here.

Also, Knicks lose by 4 but Kolek +9 yesterday.

In comment 16553092 Jon In NYC said:

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In comment 16553079 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 16553054 Jon In NYC said: Quote: it's going to be tough to keep Kolek out of a rotation that is dying for a playmaker behind Brunson. Fans are gonna love this guy. Buy stock now. I believe I read that team brass feel like he's good for 9-12 a night. As he should be, given his age and seasoning. So if Brunson plays 36 (as he should) and Kolek plays 12 (as he should) I’m not sure how Deuce plays with DVo and Bridges here. Also, Knicks lose by 4 but Kolek +9 yesterday.

The Deuce minutes problem seems like the same problem they had last yesr with Quick..

I do see Hart or Divo closing with Randle playing the 5 a lot of nights, but the minutes for adeuce are going to be scarce

4-6 guys off the bench regularly. I don't think we will see a true 2nd unit of 5 guys. So, the bench will mix and match with the starters based on opponent, matchups, how everyone is playing, etc. I think the 2nd unit coming on the floor, for example, will often have us going small, with Randle at the 5. It may be him and 2 interchangeable wings, plus a PG. That leaves room for Deuce somewhere. Right now, this is a good problem to have, if Kolek is as good as a lot think. But, it has to happen AFTER the summer league. What he's doing this summer isn't a guarantee of what is to come. It is a reason to be excited, but not to expect anything.

Kolek thread here
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In comment 16553076 Stu11 said:

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In comment 16553068 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 16553057 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Aka me…woot woot Finally changing your username from ReggieJacksonFan#1 and JimmerFan#1 :) Nope Dan is #MalikMonkNBAMVP Dan it took like 5 seasons but your Monk patience paid off. Sac unlocked his inner beast.

Wasn't looking so good for Monk for a while there lol

if they prioritize a pick and roll partner for Kolek in their backup 5. Could give the edge for Duren over Kessler as a guy who can be a real scoring threat with the backup unit.

with a pretty concrete statement that Sengun isn't being traded. Not that we had much of a chance but was fun to get excited about it.

I still like Duren for Deuce and the Det pick back

on some of the similiaries he shares with Brunson
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clips, I saw someone point out that Ariel Hukporti needs to work on his lower body strength. The example he used was how a defender was able to move him when he took one a jump hook. As much as we knock Jericho Sims, I believe that he has an NBA ready body to hang in there with other low post players.

Also saw some defense clips of Pacome Dadiet as he was facing last year's 2nd overall pick Brandon Miller. As pointed out above, he actually did a lot of nice things as Miller had to work for his points. I like the pick even more now.

was available as late as he was for a reason/reasons but in his "defense", he just turned 22 years old, Sims (an absolute freak of an athlete, so no knock) was a 23 year old rookie. I'm pretty confident that Texas also has a better strength program than Riesen Ludwigsburg

In comment 16553571 DanMetroMan said:

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I'm pretty confident that Texas also has a better strength program than Riesen Ludwigsburg

I'm confident that Texan U. could buy the city of Ludwigsburg with its spare NIL change but your point is well taken.

The Golden State Warriors have been the most engaged team for Markkanen in recent weeks, as league sources tell The Athletic they have discussed a proposal around Moses Moody, multiple first-round picks, multiple pick swaps and multiple second-round picks. The Jazz, however, have asked for the bulk of young talent and capital the Warriors possess, including Moody, Jonathan Kuminga and Brandin Podziemski, along with picks, which has been a non-starter thus far for Golden State, league sources said.

In comment 16553593 DanMetroMan said:

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The Golden State Warriors have been the most engaged team for Markkanen in recent weeks, as league sources tell The Athletic they have discussed a proposal around Moses Moody, multiple first-round picks, multiple pick swaps and multiple second-round picks. The Jazz, however, have asked for the bulk of young talent and capital the Warriors possess, including Moody, Jonathan Kuminga and Brandin Podziemski, along with picks, which has been a non-starter thus far for Golden State, league sources said.

Lol@ that proposal from GS. If Markannen truly is available there are numerous teams that could blow that offer out of the water. They are dealing with Danny Ainge here. He’s not trading Markkanen unless he curb stomps the other team on the return

I don't see how Danny Ainge gets to wear the genius hat, or act like he's got a monopoly on talent. Doesn't seem like he's doing a great job as a GM.

so in terms of compensation i dont think it's a bridges situation where the return is going to be more than expected. he essentially has veto power if he has a preference of where he'd want to extend.

moody and a bunch of picks/swaps that add up to lets say 1-2 less unprotected firsts than Bridges seems about right to me.

getting players like podz or kuminga seems crazy for a guy entering his walk year. those are quality 21 year old starters on rookie deals. i cant think of many players who fit that description who have been traded in any of the big super star trades the last half decade. basically just SGA, and that was for PG3 of a 1st team all nba season with i think 3 years left.

But if you’re going to be trading for an All star you can’t include your third best prospect as the best player.

In comment 16553593 DanMetroMan said:

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The Golden State Warriors have been the most engaged team for Markkanen in recent weeks, as league sources tell The Athletic they have discussed a proposal around Moses Moody, multiple first-round picks, multiple pick swaps and multiple second-round picks. The Jazz, however, have asked for the bulk of young talent and capital the Warriors possess, including Moody, Jonathan Kuminga and Brandin Podziemski, along with picks, which has been a non-starter thus far for Golden State, league sources said.

I don’t think that deal is too far off, depending on what the picks are. Asking for both Kuminga and Podziemski is too much, but a deal with one of them, Moody and picks seems about right.

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Ryan Arcidiacono will "wind up back with the Knicks at some point," says Tim Bontemps on ESPN's Hoop Collective Podcast

Arcidiacono played with Jalen Brunson, Mikal Bridges, Josh Hart, and Donte DiVincenzo at Villanova.

and sign a team-friendly contract - it’s been reported elsewhere but Stein is the first guy I trust who has said it.

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and sign a team-friendly contract - it’s been reported elsewhere but Stein is the first guy I trust who has said it. #culture

I am so fascinated what happens with Julius. It feels like the elephant in the room. Why are we hearing this about Mikal but not Julius who is extension eligible sooner?

In comment 16553715 Jon In NYC said:

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In comment 16553710 bceagle05 said: Quote: and sign a team-friendly contract - it’s been reported elsewhere but Stein is the first guy I trust who has said it. #culture I am so fascinated what happens with Julius. It feels like the elephant in the room. Why are we hearing this about Mikal but not Julius who is extension eligible sooner?

I view any player doing this as a gift. There shouldnt be any pressure on guys to do this. Didnt he already take less than he could have once already?

In comment 16553715 Jon In NYC said:

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In comment 16553710 bceagle05 said: Quote: and sign a team-friendly contract - it’s been reported elsewhere but Stein is the first guy I trust who has said it. #culture I am so fascinated what happens with Julius. It feels like the elephant in the room. Why are we hearing this about Mikal but not Julius who is extension eligible sooner?

Aigust 3rd is his extension date, will be interesting to see if he takes it has to know if he doesnt it most likely means he will be dealt by the deadline unoess this team is absolutely rolling

In comment 16553715 Jon In NYC said:

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In comment 16553710 bceagle05 said: Quote: and sign a team-friendly contract - it’s been reported elsewhere but Stein is the first guy I trust who has said it. #culture I am so fascinated what happens with Julius. It feels like the elephant in the room. Why are we hearing this about Mikal but not Julius who is extension eligible sooner?

Randle is a totally different situation than Brunson & Bridges. We know those 2 are probably here for at least the next 3 or 4 seasons so it's important to keep their salaries down. Randle on the other hand could be moved in the next year or so in a star trade so it may actually help us to have his salary be higher to match in a trade.

In comment 16553644 Jon In NYC said:

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But if you’re going to be trading for an All star you can’t include your third best prospect as the best player.

just like bridges deal if there are enough picks in the deal sure you can. markkanen is a nice 1 time all star, he isnt a first team all nba player. and he has a say in where he goes because he needs to agree to extend or else teams may not even give up their 3rd best prospect.

In comment 16553757 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16553644 Jon In NYC said: Quote: But if you’re going to be trading for an All star you can’t include your third best prospect as the best player. just like bridges deal if there are enough picks in the deal sure you can. markkanen is a nice 1 time all star, he isnt a first team all nba player. and he has a say in where he goes because he needs to agree to extend or else teams may not even give up their 3rd best prospect.

Do the Warriors have anywhere in the vicinity of the picks had in upcoming seasons? I honestly don’t know, not trying to be sarcastic. Because if not, adding a bunch of picks that won’t convey until Ainge is long gone probably isn’t all that appealing to him. And the pick swaps won’t be that special either since you’d think the Jazz will be worse than the Warriors for the foreseeable future

In comment 16553769 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 16553757 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 16553644 Jon In NYC said: Quote: But if you’re going to be trading for an All star you can’t include your third best prospect as the best player. just like bridges deal if there are enough picks in the deal sure you can. markkanen is a nice 1 time all star, he isnt a first team all nba player. and he has a say in where he goes because he needs to agree to extend or else teams may not even give up their 3rd best prospect. Do the Warriors have anywhere in the vicinity of the picks had in upcoming seasons? I honestly don’t know, not trying to be sarcastic. Because if not, adding a bunch of picks that won’t convey until Ainge is long gone probably isn’t all that appealing to him. And the pick swaps won’t be that special either since you’d think the Jazz will be worse than the Warriors for the foreseeable future

I think it's only 3 - 2025, 2027 and a 2030 pick (if it falls in the to 20, otherwise converts to a 2nd) + swaps

so owning 6 firsts i think they could trade at least 3 unprotected firsts w/ in rules plus however many unprotected swaps.

and it looks like the 2030 pick they owe may not even convey, it's top 20 protected and if it doesnt convey it turns into a 2nd. so i believe they could trade that as a conditional pick swap if it ends up top 20.

moody probably has the value of a FRP. that seems like enough draft assets to get close though if SAS is motivated they could probably beat it.

In comment 16553770 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 16553769 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 16553757 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 16553644 Jon In NYC said: Quote: But if you’re going to be trading for an All star you can’t include your third best prospect as the best player. just like bridges deal if there are enough picks in the deal sure you can. markkanen is a nice 1 time all star, he isnt a first team all nba player. and he has a say in where he goes because he needs to agree to extend or else teams may not even give up their 3rd best prospect. Do the Warriors have anywhere in the vicinity of the picks had in upcoming seasons? I honestly don’t know, not trying to be sarcastic. Because if not, adding a bunch of picks that won’t convey until Ainge is long gone probably isn’t all that appealing to him. And the pick swaps won’t be that special either since you’d think the Jazz will be worse than the Warriors for the foreseeable future I think it's only 3 - 2025, 2027 and a 2030 pick (if it falls in the to 20, otherwise converts to a 2nd) + swaps

See, that’s the difference in what the Knicks gave up and what the Warriors can. Those picks don’t seem all that appealing to me, but what do I know. Just feels like many teams can blow that offer out of the water. I would take them probably agreeing to an extension beforehand, maybe, but that proposal just sucks, imo

GSW would have had the 14th pick in this past draft.
they are in the west which is a much tougher conference.
steph is 36 years old.
draymond is 34.
they lost klay.

the 2025/2026 drafts both look really good, and their picks could be mid round right away.

and the real value is their unprotected picks/swaps in 27/28/29/30/31 when Curry is likely done.

Randle, Brunson, Bridges, and OG are all almost a decade younger than Curry. In an easier conference. Those GSW picks are a lot more valuable. They are probably even more valuable than SAS picks in a couple years when Wemby starts getting close to prime, though i think the Spurs have the Atlanta picks too so if motivated they could build a better offer.

In comment 16553774 Eric on Li said:

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GSW would have had the 14th pick in this past draft. they are in the west which is a much tougher conference. steph is 36 years old. draymond is 34. they lost klay. the 2025/2026 drafts both look really good, and their picks could be mid round right away. and the real value is their unprotected picks/swaps in 27/28/29/30/31 when Curry is likely done. Randle, Brunson, Bridges, and OG are all almost a decade younger than Curry. In an easier conference. Those GSW picks are a lot more valuable. They are probably even more valuable than SAS picks in a couple years when Wemby starts getting close to prime, though i think the Spurs have the Atlanta picks too so if motivated they could build a better offer.

I think you’re the insane one. The Warriors with Markannen are not ending up 14th in the draft, they are an absolute playoff team. And they will continue to sell out while Curry is around. Nobody cares about a pick in 2030, lol. Neither of these GMs are likely to even be there by then

For the 3rd time, it’s not even necessarily whether you think those picks are any good. The main point is I would be absolutely astonished if that’s the best offer they get. Plenty of contenders can destroy that package if they choose to

My post was in response to Strahan saying they only have picks in 25, 27 and 30 to trade. So if that’s wrong, then that changes things, obviously

Ugh. One-year, $3.1 million.

The Dubs with Lauri are 100% a playoff team. There shouldn't be any disputing that.

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if picks in 2030 etc don't matter wouldnt that also apply to the knicks picks?

you realize gsw won 46 games last year and that was only good for 10th in the west right? and that was with steph playing 70 or more games for the first time since 2016-17.

even assuming markannen, which season in the next 6 would you expect GSW to win more games than the knicks? in 2031 brunson will still be younger than steph is now.

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Ugh. One-year, $3.1 million.

I think the Knicks signing Payne makes it more likely that Deuce is used in a trade for a big. Payne and Kolek are pretty good depth.

Guess we had to use it on somebody. Hopefully he’s just “situational.” Katz was on KFS pod this morning talking about the center position. Said you could resign Precious and use this exception on somebody, then package both at the deadline to maybe get someone of value. He mentioned Larry Nance Jr. as an example.

Begely mentioned they were showing interest in Tyus Jones as well, the back up point gusrd spot is 10 to 15 minutes max with Divo and Hart coming off the bench..

Now if there is a trade where Divo goes back to the starting 2 that is a different story

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Look, idk what the Knicks do next. What I do know is a backcourt that already had nice depth now has another rotation player. And considering the current lack of depth at the center position, it’s easy to see the Knicks now consolidating and/or balancing out their team via trade



Now Rose has shown that he is willing to wait to see how things shake out and then make a move to fix it, like he did with Cam Reddish and then last year eith Quick and Rj

IQ had the exact same TS% last year. IQ is obviously better, better defender, younger, but there are some similarities on offense.

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Begely mentioned they were showing interest in Tyus Jones as well, the back up point gusrd spot is 10 to 15 minutes max with Divo and Hart coming off the bench.. Now if there is a trade where Divo goes back to the starting 2 that is a different story

Would've preferred Jones as he's the better and younger player, but Payne at least adds a bit more size.


That jumper is fugly though. Shawn Marion-esque.

In comment 16553412 Jon In NYC said:

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I still like Duren for Deuce and the Det pick back

Seems like a fair trade, but how much of an upgrade (if at all) is Deuce over Sasser?

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In comment 16553412 Jon In NYC said: Quote: I still like Duren for Deuce and the Det pick back Seems like a fair trade, but how much of an upgrade (if at all) is Deuce over Sasser?

I think a decent one. Sasser just came off a summer league game where he scored 1 point in 30 minutes. A 3 man rotation of Cade, Deuce and Ivey could be interesting.

This guy does nothing to help this team. He is bad at everything he does. Theo annoys me beyond belief. Use the money elsewhere

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This guy does nothing to help this team. He is bad at everything he does. Theo annoys me beyond belief. Use the money elsewhere

He’s a veteran point guard with playoff experience who can step in and play competently if needed. He’s the 10th or 11th guy on the team. If this signing annoys you beyond belief then you probably could use some help.

He doesn’t fit with this team. I would have held out for something else. I don’t want to see him play a single minute. His shot is terrible and he is not a good defender. Why even waste the roster spot on him.

In '21. He's a solid NBA back up. Plus he was pretty good in those minutes for Phoenix. Like other have said for a 10th man he's fine and can fill in if we have injuries. 39% from 3 last year (44% in the Knicks series) and 37 for his career with a career asst/to ratio of almost 3-1. Its not true to say he brings no value to a team or does nothing well. Could make Deuce expendable in a trade for a big.

In comment 16553865 GMEN46 said:

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This guy does nothing to help this team. He is bad at everything he does. Theo annoys me beyond belief. Use the money elsewhere

He literally just went 8-18 from 3 against the Knicks in a playoff series and signed the smallest possible contract he could sign. I don’t get the angst.

In comment 16553788 bceagle05 said:

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Guess we had to use it on somebody. Hopefully he’s just “situational.” Katz was on KFS pod this morning talking about the center position. Said you could resign Precious and use this exception on somebody, then package both at the deadline to maybe get someone of value. He mentioned Larry Nance Jr. as an example.

I heard that. Here's the link:

KFS POD | Brunson's Big Bet w/ Fred Katz of The Athletic (LIVE FROM NBA SUMMER LEAGUE IN LAS VEGAS!)