There was another thread which apparently got deleted, but it had to do with a Philly sports radio host saying it was a dick move by the Giants to make public the phone conversation between Schoen and Barkley. I'm not sure how these things work, but it's likely (at least in my mind) that airing it was approved of by Barkley and his agent. I only say this because it was mentioned in another video I watched (I can't recall which one) that the Commanders got approval from Howie Roseman before posting the "you're a pain in the ass" video clip. I don't know if it's a courtesy or a requirement, but I don't think the Giants would allow HBO to air that phone conversation without first running it by Barkley and his agent.
p.s.--If this was already discussed in the thread that got deleted, I will delete this one as well. I only saw the beginning of that thread before my day took me elsewhere and now I can't find it (which is why I'm assuming it was deleted) and I felt this was an important point to make if it hasn't already been made.
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and I deleted it. Eric said that the Philly radio guy who called Joe Schoen an ass — Erskin - comes with a lot of baggage. I’d never heard of the guy before so I just deleted the thread.
The guy is an unstable nutjob. It's not hyperbole.
Eric is right. His son, Spike, became the program director of WFAN. Eskin Sr. is a known piece of doggy doo-doo.
I'm not sure how I feel about the private conversation. The fact that Schoen put it on speaker phone tells me that they wanted to make it a scene for HBO. Otherwise, I would imagine Schoen doesn't have Barkley on speaker.
On the other hand, at least we had a chance to hear both sides speak versus trying to figure out what Barkley was saying and what his tone was.
IMO, it's only disrespectful if both parties are unaware it's being recorded. I think everyone knew which is why Barkley was so checked out on the call, he knew it was being recorded and didn't want to say anything of value which is why he said, "you know how I feel" or something along those lines.
Talk taking hard knocks as gospel is super silly.
The cool parts to me is seeing the interviews. I’m especially thought Nabers has more of “that dog” in him versus Odunze and MHJ. Excited to see him get out there.
I watched episode 1, and came away thinking this is ultra staged. At no point did I think I was a fly on the wall watching decision making in progress. More a white washed re-creation of 'inspired by true events'. Wouldn't surprise me if SB/Schoen had already had their talk, or that word was already sent through the agent.
As for 'no contract offered', I've seen cases where this is a mere technicality. Both sides know 95% of what is on the table, but it wasn't typed up and presented as a formal offer. It counts as 'no offer', but doesn't represent reality. Whether that is the case with SB is unknown, but my guess is that both sides knew the score.
This little episode of the franchise with these two can’t end soon enough.
I suspect we'll find out this Tuesday whether it advances the storyline, but you're correct it didn't do anything the call with the agent didn't already establish.
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and I deleted it. Eric said that the Philly radio guy who called Joe Schoen an ass — Erskin - comes with a lot of baggage. I’d never heard of the guy before so I just deleted the thread.
The guy is an unstable nutjob. It's not hyperbole.
Eric is right. His son, Spike, became the program director of WFAN. Eskin Sr. is a known piece of doggy doo-doo.
I fully believe Daboll did not want to trade Barkley. I'd guess if anyone wanted to trade him, it was Schoen.
I think this rings true. If I had a guess, Mara-of course-& Dabs didn't want to move Saquon in season while Joe did.
which is what we have been for over 10 years?
The Giants also likely signed an agreement protecting them from any legal fallout from what is aired.
Next, put yourself in the position of a team who is interested in Barkley.
You already know what he is asking for which everyone feels is too much. So, you are trading for a guy in November whose contract is about to expire and you may not have the ability to re-sign to keep him after the season.
That leaves only a team who thinks Barkley is the missing piece for a championship LAST year. That team may not exist.
Barkley wanted to get paid. Plain and simple. If we offered a contract last year to what he wanted, he would still be here. Let's not make this about wanting to win.
Next, put yourself in the position of a team who is interested in Barkley.
You already know what he is asking for which everyone feels is too much. So, you are trading for a guy in November whose contract is about to expire and you may not have the ability to re-sign to keep him after the season.
That leaves only a team who thinks Barkley is the missing piece for a championship LAST year. That team may not exist.
And Barkley has several injuries in the beginning of 2023. I suspect trade offers, if any, were 6th round type offers.
The not tanking argument makes zero sense.
2-6 while playing horrendous football. The season was over.
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the Giants were 2-6 and they traded Leonard Williams.
The not tanking argument makes zero sense.
2-6 while playing horrendous football. The season was over.
Mara didn't think so, and was quoted as saying they were not trading Barkley. I don't understand the hate on Schoen when Mara is saying no trade is happening
The ROH stuff is the Mara identify and "once a giant, always a giant", IMO. So that's the line that Schoen has to walk balancing the Giants culture and doing what's best for the team.
“It's always been about competitive balance and protecting the integrity of a team–not disclosing almost inadvertently to our not understanding of it,” Camarata said.
In other words, the objective wasn’t to paint the team or any one individual in a specific light. Rather, it was to protect the team from having anything it felt might offer their opponents a competitive edge disclosed on the air.
“It's always critical when we do these shows–and the Giants were no different–where we establish that trust is that we're gonna cut the show, we're gonna tell the story, but you're gonna have a chance to look at it and approve the content,” Camarata said.
With three episodes still to go, Camarata promised viewers would see additional information about some of the storylines introduced in the first two episodes. Although he didn’t go into specifics, those will likely include free agency decisions like the fallout from the Saquon Barkley talks and possibly even some talks surrounding safety Xavier McKinney.
There will also be a peek at some of the big name acquisitions the Giants made during free agency shown before the series turns to the draft.
“We know who they drafted in the first round, but I think we’ll see the why,” Camarata teased.
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real discussion here is who determined/why didn't they move him in October?
Because the team was struggling mightily on offense and he was their biggest weapon. We don't know what anyone offered. You're applying hindsight here. The fans would have been rioting if the offense didn't improve. If we're talking 5 or a 6, of course that wasn't going to happen.
No hindsight.
I called for it at the time.
Rioting? The team was 2-6 and everyone knew the season was dead.
Rioting? The team was 2-6 and everyone knew the season was dead.
The attachment a good portion of this fanbase has had for both Jones & Barkley is one of the strangest things I've ever seen.
The Jones/Barkley Era has revealed one thing very clearly - any talk of the NYG fan base being one of the smartest has been annihilated.