Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Welcome back, Giants rookies. Camp begins today for them.
Tonight, it's Episode 3 of Hard Knocks. All free agency, Saquon saga comes to a close + a teaser for next week includes what we all insisted they would not show.
Not necessarily. It looked like they were just going through who they would and would not trade up for. I guarantee you they have the same convo about maye and caleb
I'm really surprised at how much they are reveling.
Was never really bought into the Mara conspiracy but the tension he brings when he comes into the room is palatable. Like a disgruntled parent. Nice to see Joe stand his ground.
Funny stuff about Schoen's stress levels, he was really sweating the Burns deal.
Love that they got all their targeted players. Think the circus has left town.
I truly understand why the last ten years happened.
So what exactly are you referencing? The fact that an owner was lamenting the loss of his best player to a division rival?
Not exactly earth shattering stuff.
The *reasoning*. How he explained his point. The guiding light there can't be "He's our most popular player by far". There's little to no sobriety about how bad they've been *with* him.
It certainly adds a ton of context around what Schoen had to deal with after the success of 2022. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge Mara hovering around these decisions is being unfair.
It tells me:
1. He was disappointed to lose the most popular player on the team.
2. He is allowing Schoen to make decisions that he would not normally do....that's the sign of a good owner. We've all been screaming to "...let the football people make football decisions." Well, here it is.
You can’t watch this and come away with any other conclusion than John Mara is an impediment to winning that Schoen and Co. simply have to try and navigate around.
I would love to hear him talk about losing sleep because the team has been a doormat for the last decade instead of “we’re losing our most popular player.”
Interesting that they teased that Daboll was on board trading up for Jayden Daniels. It seems like they wanted to get to #3 because they were good with either Maye or Daniels. Also interesting that is comes across as “We’ll try to get a QB, but if we can’t we’ll roll with Daniel.” I feel better about Schoen after this episode in that it seems he is ok moving on from Barkely but also Jones.
It certainly adds a ton of context around what Schoen had to deal with after the success of 2022. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge Mara hovering around these decisions is being unfair.
Schoen even said to Barkley's agent that this one could be above me. I'm glad Mara didn't force it and make the FO get him back at all costs.
Now, we know NYG controls the content of his series, but so far, I have seen absolutely nothing to remotely suggest that Mara is putting his thumb on the personnel scale anymore.
Now, we know NYG controls the content of his series, but so far, I have seen absolutely nothing to remotely suggest that Mara is putting his thumb on the personnel scale anymore.
This IS Schoen's team.
He's throwing around opinions. If he's saying this about Barkley after a 6-11 season, imagine what he was saying after 2022 and declaring the Giants "back"?
It certainly adds a ton of context around what Schoen had to deal with after the success of 2022. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge Mara hovering around these decisions is being unfair.
I'm sure Schoen feels the weight of a sentimental owner who has become clueless about modern football, but he looks like he's able to navigate around that and get his outcome...
It's a lot easier to navigate it now off 6-11 and a year already into the job. Coming off the first playoff win in a decade and the owner declaring the team back for a first year GM? A lot tougher.
Not excusing Schoen, but I'm sure Mara had strong opinions on Jones & Barkley last year.
His drafts and moves need to hit. If they do, this team should be competing for a wild card. If they don't and it's a 4 win season, I'd imagine Mara will be fuming.
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Some will like tonight's Hard Knocks episode best out of the three so far.
I slot it slightly ahead of Episode 1 on a second watch. Episode 2 is still tops for me.
No villains here, imo.
Pretty cut and dried.
@art_stapleton
Welcome back, Giants rookies. Camp begins today for them.
Tonight, it's Episode 3 of Hard Knocks. All free agency, Saquon saga comes to a close + a teaser for next week includes what we all insisted they would not show.
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Joe Schoen's final negotiations to seal the Brian Burns trade
New episode of #HardKnocks Offseason with the New York Giants airs tonight at 9pm ET on @StreamOnMax
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I hope they cover OTAs and the mini-camp.
It's 5 episodes right? I'm thinking tonight is free agency, next week the draft and maybe the last episode is mini camp?
/nods head
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I'm assuming
It's 5 episodes right? I'm thinking tonight is free agency, next week the draft and maybe the last episode is mini camp?
Thought I read it was 7 episodes
Maybe we’ll also hear what happened in conversations with McKinney.
we came in at same years/same APY/ 1m less gtd dollars than PHI offer.
if thts true - saquon wanted to leave.
1m to stay a giant for life wow. he wanted out and didnt like the relationship.
music going on. It’s fucking distracting.
My bad I missed the part where Rossetti said or starting LG
I like the guy and I can’t listen anymore.
Shut the fuck up and sign the checks ffs
we came in at same years/same APY/ 1m less gtd dollars than PHI offer.
if thts true - saquon wanted to leave.
1m to stay a giant for life wow. he wanted out and didnt like the relationship.
well this theory is blown out of the water
He's insufferable at this point.
Not necessarily. It looked like they were just going through who they would and would not trade up for. I guarantee you they have the same convo about maye and caleb
The way this is being depicted w/Barkley, it's like we're losing LT.
So what exactly are you referencing? The fact that an owner was lamenting the loss of his best player to a division rival?
Not exactly earth shattering stuff.
I feel really good about this teams front office. Couldn’t be more impressed with Schoen.
Was never really bought into the Mara conspiracy but the tension he brings when he comes into the room is palatable. Like a disgruntled parent. Nice to see Joe stand his ground.
Funny stuff about Schoen's stress levels, he was really sweating the Burns deal.
Love that they got all their targeted players. Think the circus has left town.
The Giants weren't going to settle for McCarthy based on their evaluation. Daniels was a pipe dream. It was Williams/Daniels/Maye.
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I truly understand why the last ten years happened.
So what exactly are you referencing? The fact that an owner was lamenting the loss of his best player to a division rival?
Not exactly earth shattering stuff.
The *reasoning*. How he explained his point. The guiding light there can't be "He's our most popular player by far". There's little to no sobriety about how bad they've been *with* him.
Right tackle was said first lol
Not unless they were under the assumption that the Commanders were not taking him at #2. Whole heartedly believe it was Maye - we'll see.
John Mara, Esq, speaking about Barkley.
What does that tell you about this idiot?
John Mara, Esq, speaking about Barkley.
What does that tell you about this idiot?
There's no hiding it now.
John Mara, Esq, speaking about Barkley.
What does that tell you about this idiot?
It certainly adds a ton of context around what Schoen had to deal with after the success of 2022. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge Mara hovering around these decisions is being unfair.
John Mara, Esq, speaking about Barkley.
What does that tell you about this idiot?
It tells me:
1. He was disappointed to lose the most popular player on the team.
2. He is allowing Schoen to make decisions that he would not normally do....that's the sign of a good owner. We've all been screaming to "...let the football people make football decisions." Well, here it is.
John Mara, Esq, speaking about Barkley.
What does that tell you about this idiot?
You can’t watch this and come away with any other conclusion than John Mara is an impediment to winning that Schoen and Co. simply have to try and navigate around.
I would love to hear him talk about losing sleep because the team has been a doormat for the last decade instead of “we’re losing our most popular player.”
Interesting that they teased that Daboll was on board trading up for Jayden Daniels. It seems like they wanted to get to #3 because they were good with either Maye or Daniels. Also interesting that is comes across as “We’ll try to get a QB, but if we can’t we’ll roll with Daniel.” I feel better about Schoen after this episode in that it seems he is ok moving on from Barkely but also Jones.
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by far..."
John Mara, Esq, speaking about Barkley.
What does that tell you about this idiot?
It certainly adds a ton of context around what Schoen had to deal with after the success of 2022. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge Mara hovering around these decisions is being unfair.
Schoen even said to Barkley's agent that this one could be above me. I'm glad Mara didn't force it and make the FO get him back at all costs.
Now, we know NYG controls the content of his series, but so far, I have seen absolutely nothing to remotely suggest that Mara is putting his thumb on the personnel scale anymore.
This IS Schoen's team.
Now imagine that guy shuffling around the halls when things aren't going well.
That's the problem.
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in the end, Schoen got his way.
Now, we know NYG controls the content of his series, but so far, I have seen absolutely nothing to remotely suggest that Mara is putting his thumb on the personnel scale anymore.
This IS Schoen's team.
He's throwing around opinions. If he's saying this about Barkley after a 6-11 season, imagine what he was saying after 2022 and declaring the Giants "back"?
Quote:
by far..."
John Mara, Esq, speaking about Barkley.
What does that tell you about this idiot?
It certainly adds a ton of context around what Schoen had to deal with after the success of 2022. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge Mara hovering around these decisions is being unfair.
I'm sure Schoen feels the weight of a sentimental owner who has become clueless about modern football, but he looks like he's able to navigate around that and get his outcome...
I can’t see Schoen firing Daboll. Even if things go south this year. Daboll is his guy.
And I’m good with that.
Not excusing Schoen, but I'm sure Mara had strong opinions on Jones & Barkley last year.
Now imagine that guy shuffling around the halls when things aren't going well.
That's the problem.
In retrospect, this suggests to me that Gettleman was either unable or unwilling to manage Mara to move this team forward.
2) Daboll wants a QB improvement asap.