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| Don’t worry about it. They knew. All of them. Saquon Barkley and his agent, Ed Berry, knew that their private phone conversations with Giants general manager Joe Schoen might be used at some point in “Hard Knocks.’’ Sure enough, the details of those talks were revealed last week in Episode 2 of the HBO docuseries and, while airing details about Barkley and a potential contract offer and impending free agency might have seemed as if the Giants breached a confidence, all parties involved were aware their words might find their way to the public. |
There isn’t
So why did Saquon say, when Schoen asked him if he would give him his word that he will give him a chance to match, Saquon said, “you know what I want.”;
I take that to mean….he wants to be a Giant for life. Guess I was wrong in that assumption.
Not sure if there's employment law surrounding the private sector, but this would not fly w/o mutual consent in my world.
But I do think it's the one area where the Giants should have put their foot down.
It's one thing to give insights into the agent and general management negotiations. It's another thing to involve the player.
There's no good outcome for the Giants in that scenario if the player leaves. The GM either looks like an asshole or you embarrass the player.
I agree. It's a tremendously boring storyline. Hopefully the next episodes are all about Burns and Nabers.
So why did Saquon say, when Schoen asked him if he would give him his word that he will give him a chance to match, Saquon said, “you know what I want.”;
I take that to mean….he wants to be a Giant for life. Guess I was wrong in that assumption.
Can't really blame Barkley. He's been asked to run behind a shit O-Line for years. If you were him and got offered more money to come to a better situation, would you really turn it down?
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There's no good outcome for the Giants in that scenario if the player leaves. The GM either looks like an asshole or you embarrass the player.
No, it is a business. Either way the fans find out the story and then move on.
The team is looking out for the team and the player is looking out for himself - as he should. If Barkley didn't get the numbers he wanted, he should have moved on. I do not blame him. I do not blame Schoen. He had his numbers set. He offered a very similar deal Nov 2022. Yes the GTD money was $4 mill different, but basically the same deal and Saquon would have had his pay day sooner and there would not have been the Tag scenario. Maybe Jones(probably?) would have been tagged.
We're in a different era now where players are making massive financial concessions and deferments to play and operate in environments they feel comfortable and respected.
The players know it's a business. But there's no value in the Giants letting the NFL trade on the awkward and embarrassing moments.
It's the equivalent of showing your friends a video of a fight with your ex. It's all downside and no upside.
And so what if Schoen ends up being right? Schoen pushing for Barkley's word was gross. Do that with the agent, not the player.
We're in a different era now where players are making massive financial concessions and deferments to play and operate in environments they feel comfortable and respected.
The players know it's a business. But there's no value in the Giants letting the NFL trade on the awkward and embarrassing moments.
It's the equivalent of showing your friends a video of a fight with your ex. It's all downside and no upside.
And so what if Schoen ends up being right? Schoen pushing for Barkley's word was gross. Do that with the agent, not the player.
Do you think that GMs don't ask a player that is going into FA for a chance to match or better a deal if they would like the player back? Why is it embarrassing? The player said he wanted to stay a Giant. Schoen thought he was worth less and the player thought he was worth more. Schoen didn't want to haggle again and thought it best for both parties that Barkley go on the market and find his worth - that is fairest to the player instead of tagging him.
You say the fans have nothing to do with it and then your response is looking at it from a fan's POV. You believe it is "gross". It is merely a negotiating tactic. Barkley publicly stated several times he wanted to be a Giant for life. Schoen just reminded him of that. I doubt Schoen was showboating for HBO.
In the end, it comes down to money(that is the respect the players want). Very few players stay for less money even with a team they have been with for years.
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Both got what they wanted. Hope their isn’t any hard feelings with all involved.
There isn’t
Exactly, and no matter how often the beat writers and national media bring it up, it's virtually meaningless.
We're in a different era now where players are making massive financial concessions and deferments to play and operate in environments they feel comfortable and respected.
The players know it's a business. But there's no value in the Giants letting the NFL trade on the awkward and embarrassing moments.
It's the equivalent of showing your friends a video of a fight with your ex. It's all downside and no upside.
And so what if Schoen ends up being right? Schoen pushing for Barkley's word was gross. Do that with the agent, not the player.
Do you think that GMs don't ask a player that is going into FA for a chance to match or better a deal if they would like the player back?
I think GMs ask agents that, or at least ask players in the presence of the agent.
Schoen essentially said to Barkley, we don't want to negotiate an agreement with you. But if you find yourself in the unenviable position that your best offer is quite low, we'll entertain it. And if you don't give me an opportunity to entertain taking advantage of your misfortune, I'm questioning your integrity.
But ultimately it doesn't matter what I think. It matters what future players think.
If that's the route Schoen wants to take with players, that's a perfectly tough, but understandable tactic.
But there's no upside in that being broadcast. Only downside.
New Jersey is a one party consent state. I believe Schoen made mention that Barkley was in Jersey during the call.
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The fans have nothing to do with it. How players are treated is important to the players. They say it all of the time.
We're in a different era now where players are making massive financial concessions and deferments to play and operate in environments they feel comfortable and respected.
The players know it's a business. But there's no value in the Giants letting the NFL trade on the awkward and embarrassing moments.
It's the equivalent of showing your friends a video of a fight with your ex. It's all downside and no upside.
And so what if Schoen ends up being right? Schoen pushing for Barkley's word was gross. Do that with the agent, not the player.
Do you think that GMs don't ask a player that is going into FA for a chance to match or better a deal if they would like the player back?
I think GMs ask agents that, or at least ask players in the presence of the agent.
Schoen essentially said to Barkley, we don't want to negotiate an agreement with you. But if you find yourself in the unenviable position that your best offer is quite low, we'll entertain it. And if you don't give me an opportunity to entertain taking advantage of your misfortune, I'm questioning your integrity.
But ultimately it doesn't matter what I think. It matters what future players think.
If that's the route Schoen wants to take with players, that's a perfectly tough, but understandable tactic.
But there's no upside in that being broadcast. Only downside.
I can see you feel for the player. I do too. But I also feel for the GM. It is hard to get someone to agree to something that is less than what they wanted/expected. To see that the player is not as valuable to the team as he/they believed. However, Barkley was offered essentially the same deal 1 1/2 years previously. Unfortunately the GM is the "bad guy" - his job. We saw it with Love. IDK, perhaps Schoen felt it best he spoke with Saquon directly instead of hiding behind the agent. Awkward, but better than Barkley feeling Schoen wanted no part of him personally. Remember, Barkley's previous agents deceived him on his value.
The whole show is that way - the FO POV and the players POV. The main reason I really didn't want the Giants participating. Hard on the players and the staff to have that part of the game exposed to the fans.
I don't think you get to spend a bunch of time in front of the camera talking about how disposable the player is, and then ask he give you a solid.
Like or not, the audience also includes your current and future employees. I think the edit made him look like a dork.
Same with Texas.
If anyone remembers the recorded calls between Roger Clemens and his PED dealer... the dealer legally recorded those calls in Texas, without the knowledge or consent of Roger.
I don't think you get to spend a bunch of time in front of the camera talking about how disposable the player is, and then ask he give you a solid.
Like or not, the audience also includes your current and future employees. I think the edit made him look like a dork.
Ok.
I strongly disagree with that POV.