when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
constantly behind and they throw more, inflating his stats. Works both ways.
More targets doesn’t mean all he’s metrics hold, for example his yards per catch likely decrease. But do you actually think he’s not putting up top WR production with 50 more targets? Come on man.
He's basically Amani Toomer circa 2000-2003. Beast is a little much. When I think of beats at WR I think Beckham 2015. Jamar Chase. Randy Moss. Torry Holt. Aiyuk isn't that guy.
“Solid”? lol.
Semantics. Maybe you hate the word solid that’s fine. He’s a damn good player I just don’t think he’s a super star or one of those pantheon elite WRs. Call him very good or whatever you want to call him. He’s not Jefferson or chase or that very top tier, at least not yet. Don’t think he’ll ever be but I don’t want to ring the guy as a player I’d love him here but nyg ain’t trading resources for a wr. Not today anyway.
He's basically Amani Toomer circa 2000-2003. Beast is a little much. When I think of beats at WR I think Beckham 2015. Jamar Chase. Randy Moss. Torry Holt. Aiyuk isn't that guy.
when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
As you say "not all volume leads to more stats" but that doesn't mean that "more volume CAN RESULT IN more stats."
Secondly, the past two years Ayuk has been the leading Receiver on a high-powered Offense yet you choose to lump him togther with Deebo and Kittles even though they are behind him for 2 straight years.
And as a result, the clear fact is for such an elite Offense for players like Deebo and Kittles that Ayuk can beat out, highlights how good he is.
RE: RE: RE: We’ve seen a bunch of WRs achieve good stats on bad teams
when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
As you say "not all volume leads to more stats" but that doesn't mean that "more volume CAN RESULT IN more stats."
Secondly, the past two years Ayuk has been the leading Receiver on a high-powered Offense yet you choose to lump him togther with Deebo and Kittles even though they are behind him for 2 straight years.
And as a result, the clear fact is for such an elite Offense for players like Deebo and Kittles that Ayuk can beat out, highlights how good he is.
The focal point of the offense is McCaffrey. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. Secondly in the last 2 seasons George Kittle has 17 Touchdown receptions to Aiyuk’s 15 on 27 less targets. My point is that teams have to worry about Kittles and Samuel and don’t have to a large portion of their game plan on stopping Aiyuk. (Consistently shading a safety to his side of the field, or having the No. 1 corner traveling with Aiyuk).
other players playing with plus QBs, plus OLs, etc. AJ Brown was very good in Tennessee getting the same target share as Aiyuk, then leaves, becomes the alpha, gets 50 more targets and becomes a top 5 WR. This isn’t rocket science.
Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets. PFF - ( New Window )
other players playing with plus QBs, plus OLs, etc. AJ Brown was very good in Tennessee getting the same target share as Aiyuk, then leaves, becomes the alpha, gets 50 more targets and becomes a top 5 WR. This isn’t rocket science.
Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets. PFF - ( New Window )
Yes, let’s use PFF rankings to say he’s elite. The fact of the matter is that Aiyuk has never caught over 10 TDs in any season, and has one season over 1100 yards and 2 seasons of over 1000 yards total. He’s a solid receiver, but IMO he doesn’t tilt the field like those 5-7 receivers I mentioned above.
other players playing with plus QBs, plus OLs, etc. AJ Brown was very good in Tennessee getting the same target share as Aiyuk, then leaves, becomes the alpha, gets 50 more targets and becomes a top 5 WR. This isn’t rocket science.
Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets. PFF - ( New Window )
Yes, let’s use PFF rankings to say he’s elite. The fact of the matter is that Aiyuk has never caught over 10 TDs in any season, and has one season over 1100 yards and 2 seasons of over 1000 yards total. He’s a solid receiver, but IMO he doesn’t tilt the field like those 5-7 receivers I mentioned above.
other players playing with plus QBs, plus OLs, etc. AJ Brown was very good in Tennessee getting the same target share as Aiyuk, then leaves, becomes the alpha, gets 50 more targets and becomes a top 5 WR. This isn’t rocket science.
Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets. PFF - ( New Window )
Yes, let’s use PFF rankings to say he’s elite. The fact of the matter is that Aiyuk has never caught over 10 TDs in any season, and has one season over 1100 yards and 2 seasons of over 1000 yards total. He’s a solid receiver, but IMO he doesn’t tilt the field like those 5-7 receivers I mentioned above.
You can't knock a player who has good teammates.
*because he has good teammates
So Far Hyatt is a bust. Slayton Produced more as a rookie
when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
As you say "not all volume leads to more stats" but that doesn't mean that "more volume CAN RESULT IN more stats."
Secondly, the past two years Ayuk has been the leading Receiver on a high-powered Offense yet you choose to lump him togther with Deebo and Kittles even though they are behind him for 2 straight years.
And as a result, the clear fact is for such an elite Offense for players like Deebo and Kittles that Ayuk can beat out, highlights how good he is.
The focal point of the offense is McCaffrey. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. Secondly in the last 2 seasons George Kittle has 17 Touchdown receptions to Aiyuk’s 15 on 27 less targets. My point is that teams have to worry about Kittles and Samuel and don’t have to a large portion of their game plan on stopping Aiyuk. (Consistently shading a safety to his side of the field, or having the No. 1 corner traveling with Aiyuk).
So what, the Offense #1 is McCaffrey! Since when is arguably the best Offense in Football contingent only on ONE PLAYER? If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.
Ands if you are too blind to see that Ayuk has been the number 1 option on the passing attack for one of the top offense in the NFL over Pro Bowl caliber players like Deebo and Kittle then I don't know what to tell you.
Your point is completely wrong. Teams have to worry about Ayuk so it makes Kittle and Deebo that much better. Otherwise if teams were worrying so much about Kittle (or Deebo) as you seem to want to exaggerate, then why aren't they the #1 Receiver?
RE: We’ve seen a bunch of WRs achieve good stats on bad teams
when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
This. Some criminal underrating of Aiyuk by some. He’s been the best passing option on that team for a couple of years now. Give him the volume some of those top guys get and this wouldn’t be a debate.
falls into the “not a #1 category” since he’s limited athletically. 2022 was his best statistical season and with 30 more targets he fell well short of Aiyuks 2023 production despite playing next to Brown and with that elite run game. Swap Smith for Aiyuk on the Eagles and…oh boy.
Both of these players are elite route runners but Aiyuk is better physically and firmly in my top 10 and definitely a #1 WR.
I agree that trade for and paying top money to a WR right now would be an AWFUL use of resources.
In Nabers, WanDale, Slayton and Hyatt WR is a very good and cost controlled unit. The WR talent already exceeds the QB/OL talent. Tilting that more is a very bad idea.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
More targets doesn’t mean all he’s metrics hold, for example his yards per catch likely decrease. But do you actually think he’s not putting up top WR production with 50 more targets? Come on man.
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He's basically Amani Toomer circa 2000-2003. Beast is a little much. When I think of beats at WR I think Beckham 2015. Jamar Chase. Randy Moss. Torry Holt. Aiyuk isn't that guy.
“Solid”? lol.
Semantics. Maybe you hate the word solid that’s fine. He’s a damn good player I just don’t think he’s a super star or one of those pantheon elite WRs. Call him very good or whatever you want to call him. He’s not Jefferson or chase or that very top tier, at least not yet. Don’t think he’ll ever be but I don’t want to ring the guy as a player I’d love him here but nyg ain’t trading resources for a wr. Not today anyway.
Nuts.
Nuts.
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For a guy that is a solid No. 2 receiver. He doesn’t tilt the field for the Niners and he’s not a guy you trade big time assets for IMO.
To each their own but your stance makes it sound like you don’t watch the games.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
You're doubling-down on "nuts?"
Toomer? No way was Toomer as good as him.
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For a guy that is a solid No. 2 receiver. He doesn’t tilt the field for the Niners and he’s not a guy you trade big time assets for IMO.
To each their own but your stance makes it sound like you don’t watch the games.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
Or that guys like Deebo and Kittles benefit playing with him at this point in their careers?
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when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
As you say "not all volume leads to more stats" but that doesn't mean that "more volume CAN RESULT IN more stats."
Secondly, the past two years Ayuk has been the leading Receiver on a high-powered Offense yet you choose to lump him togther with Deebo and Kittles even though they are behind him for 2 straight years.
And as a result, the clear fact is for such an elite Offense for players like Deebo and Kittles that Ayuk can beat out, highlights how good he is.
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when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
As you say "not all volume leads to more stats" but that doesn't mean that "more volume CAN RESULT IN more stats."
Secondly, the past two years Ayuk has been the leading Receiver on a high-powered Offense yet you choose to lump him togther with Deebo and Kittles even though they are behind him for 2 straight years.
And as a result, the clear fact is for such an elite Offense for players like Deebo and Kittles that Ayuk can beat out, highlights how good he is.
The focal point of the offense is McCaffrey. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. Secondly in the last 2 seasons George Kittle has 17 Touchdown receptions to Aiyuk’s 15 on 27 less targets. My point is that teams have to worry about Kittles and Samuel and don’t have to a large portion of their game plan on stopping Aiyuk. (Consistently shading a safety to his side of the field, or having the No. 1 corner traveling with Aiyuk).
Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets.
PFF - ( New Window )
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Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets. PFF - ( New Window )
Yes, let’s use PFF rankings to say he’s elite. The fact of the matter is that Aiyuk has never caught over 10 TDs in any season, and has one season over 1100 yards and 2 seasons of over 1000 yards total. He’s a solid receiver, but IMO he doesn’t tilt the field like those 5-7 receivers I mentioned above.
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other players playing with plus QBs, plus OLs, etc. AJ Brown was very good in Tennessee getting the same target share as Aiyuk, then leaves, becomes the alpha, gets 50 more targets and becomes a top 5 WR. This isn’t rocket science.
Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets. PFF - ( New Window )
Yes, let’s use PFF rankings to say he’s elite. The fact of the matter is that Aiyuk has never caught over 10 TDs in any season, and has one season over 1100 yards and 2 seasons of over 1000 yards total. He’s a solid receiver, but IMO he doesn’t tilt the field like those 5-7 receivers I mentioned above.
You can't knock a player who has good teammates.
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other players playing with plus QBs, plus OLs, etc. AJ Brown was very good in Tennessee getting the same target share as Aiyuk, then leaves, becomes the alpha, gets 50 more targets and becomes a top 5 WR. This isn’t rocket science.
Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets. PFF - ( New Window )
Yes, let’s use PFF rankings to say he’s elite. The fact of the matter is that Aiyuk has never caught over 10 TDs in any season, and has one season over 1100 yards and 2 seasons of over 1000 yards total. He’s a solid receiver, but IMO he doesn’t tilt the field like those 5-7 receivers I mentioned above.
You can't knock a player who has good teammates.
*because he has good teammates
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when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
As you say "not all volume leads to more stats" but that doesn't mean that "more volume CAN RESULT IN more stats."
Secondly, the past two years Ayuk has been the leading Receiver on a high-powered Offense yet you choose to lump him togther with Deebo and Kittles even though they are behind him for 2 straight years.
And as a result, the clear fact is for such an elite Offense for players like Deebo and Kittles that Ayuk can beat out, highlights how good he is.
The focal point of the offense is McCaffrey. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. Secondly in the last 2 seasons George Kittle has 17 Touchdown receptions to Aiyuk’s 15 on 27 less targets. My point is that teams have to worry about Kittles and Samuel and don’t have to a large portion of their game plan on stopping Aiyuk. (Consistently shading a safety to his side of the field, or having the No. 1 corner traveling with Aiyuk).
So what, the Offense #1 is McCaffrey! Since when is arguably the best Offense in Football contingent only on ONE PLAYER? If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.
Ands if you are too blind to see that Ayuk has been the number 1 option on the passing attack for one of the top offense in the NFL over Pro Bowl caliber players like Deebo and Kittle then I don't know what to tell you.
Your point is completely wrong. Teams have to worry about Ayuk so it makes Kittle and Deebo that much better. Otherwise if teams were worrying so much about Kittle (or Deebo) as you seem to want to exaggerate, then why aren't they the #1 Receiver?
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
This. Some criminal underrating of Aiyuk by some. He’s been the best passing option on that team for a couple of years now. Give him the volume some of those top guys get and this wouldn’t be a debate.
Both of these players are elite route runners but Aiyuk is better physically and firmly in my top 10 and definitely a #1 WR.
In Nabers, WanDale, Slayton and Hyatt WR is a very good and cost controlled unit. The WR talent already exceeds the QB/OL talent. Tilting that more is a very bad idea.